Petrol Crisis /Panic buy get yout gerry cans

[arista]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/items/__gerry+can_W0QQ_dmdZ2?clk_rvr_id=327868347389&crlp=2874204519_284591_284611&UA=%3F*F%3F&GUID=a2ce170f1340a0aa11d49e44fc4e980c&agid=1382019909&tm_kw=gerry+can&siteid=3&MT_ID=11&tt_encode=raw&keyword=gerry+can&geo_id=21&ff4=284591_284611


It was Terrible back when the Blairs New Labour
got in a messs with a Strike..


A minister today said gerry cans
but the Fire Stations say - No you can not store them in your Garage.
So he retracted that , later.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/26/article-2120514-125199D1000005DC-326_634x396.jpg
The Army getting ready to trake over if the Strike goes ahead,


And What the hell is the Strike about?
as they get £45K

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/26/article-2120791-125894B5000005DC-989_634x318.jpg



Is this the sign of things to come? First petrol stations close as Cabinet minister urges drivers to fill up any spare jerry cans

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121099/Fuel-strike-First-petrol-stations-close-drivers-urged-jerry-cans.html#ixzz1qQA5mEUe

[Livia]

Francis Maude is a moron. If he did say that he probably doesn't even remember it. I'm waiting for the day his press officer shoots himself... or Francis.

[arista]

Francis Maude is a moron. If he did say that he probably doesn't even remember it. I'm waiting for the day his press officer shoots himself... or Francis.


Yes I will enjoy Ch4 News tonight.

[Kizzy]

Bit harsh...But it was a daft thing to say lol

[michael21]

Yes I will enjoy Ch4 News tonight.

why wait 24 hour news channel have the story now :conf:

[Kizzy]

creature of habit arista ...:)

[arista]

Ch4News has Special Reports
that no other news has,


As well as
7PM SkyNewsHD Business News
with Jeff Randall Live.

2 TV's busy at 7PM


Utter Fact.

[joeysteele]

I fail to see firstly why any strike should be necessary and secondly why such a directive needed to be given by any cabinet Minister,worse still the PM.
The very slightest hint that something may soon be in short supply for a time,immediately has the less responsible and selfish going out gathering all they can.

In January a bad forecast for the weather was made predicting arctic temperatures and lot's of frost and ice likely, in less than 3 days the supermarket near me had no salt.
Crazy. also as pointed out above, the advice given to fill cans and store petrol in garages was not only foolish but dangerous too.

[Omah]

Ich habe bereits meinen Wehrmachtskanister ..... ;)

[Kizzy]

Ich habe bereits mein Wehrmachtskanister ..... ;)

:nono::joker::joker:

[arista]

I fail to see firstly why any strike should be necessary and secondly why such a directive needed to be given by any cabinet Minister,worse still the PM.
The very slightest hint that something may soon be in short supply for a time,immediately has the less responsible and selfish going out gathering all they can.

In January a bad forecast for the weather was made predicting arctic temperatures and lot's of frost and ice likely, in less than 3 days the supermarket near me had no salt.
Crazy. also as pointed out above, the advice given to fill cans and store petrol in garages was not only foolish but dangerous too.


Yes What the Freaking hell do they want
they get £45K.

Info is the strike is going ahead from Nutter/ Militant Len McCluskey

[arista]

Ich habe bereits meinen Wehrmachtskanister ..... ;)




Don't Panic , Don't Panic


Do Not Give them your name Pyke

[Omah]

:nono::joker::joker:

Ich bin jetzt auf der Suche nach meinem Tiger-Panzer ..... :evilgrin:

[joeysteele]

Yes What the Freaking hell do they want
they get £45K.

Info is the strike is going ahead from Nutter/ Militant Len McCluskey

I totally agree as I often do with you arista, I cannot see any major reason whatsoever as to things being so bad to warrant any strike action.

[Omah]

Don't Panic , Don't Panic


Do Not Give them your name Pyke

Nach dem Krieg werden Sie zur Rechenschaft gezogen werden, Kapitän Mainwaring ..... :suspect:

[Kizzy]

I fail to see firstly why any strike should be necessary and secondly why such a directive needed to be given by any cabinet Minister,worse still the PM.
The very slightest hint that something may soon be in short supply for a time,immediately has the less responsible and selfish going out gathering all they can.

In January a bad forecast for the weather was made predicting arctic temperatures and lot's of frost and ice likely, in less than 3 days the supermarket near me had no salt.
Crazy. also as pointed out above, the advice given to fill cans and store petrol in garages was not only foolish but dangerous too.

There will be no threat to services the Civil Contingencies Act has this stuff covered...Got to love the Daily Mail though using words like 'militant' and 'civil disobedience' lol
It does make you think these are not workers threatening to strike but a group of naughty kids.

[arista]

I totally agree as I often do with you arista, I cannot see any major reason whatsoever as to things being so bad to warrant any strike action.



Why will Labour not sort this out
its their Union Money they have
Bloody Earn It.



Petrol Stations are now running out as to many are panic buying
and filling up to the top.
And some even take gerry cans,


"Safety Working Hours"
that can be sorted - they get £45K for fecks sake.

[Omah]

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The car has a 5.0-litre supercharged petrol engine producing 503 bhp, with a top speed of 121 mph and is capable of reaching 62 mph (100kmh) from stationary in 9.4 seconds.

They probably only do 2 or 3 miles to the litre ..... :rolleyes:

[HBB1508]

I am getting fed up with people striking as it just hits us poor spods trying to go about our business - I have a 60 mile round trip to work and back every day so this is going to have a major impact - I can't afford to lose my job. This doesn't hurt anyone but Joe public and these tanker drivers earn a bliddy good wage if you ask me maybe if they had no work they would appreciate the money a bit better *steps off soap box*

[joeysteele]

Why will Labour not sort this out
its their Union Money they have
Bloody Earn It.



Petrol Stations are now running out as to many are panic buying
and filling up to the top.
And some even take gerry cans,


"Safety Working Hours"
that can be sorted - they get £45K for fecks sake.

I think as I read through political history, the Unions caused as many problems for Labour Govts as they have for Conservative ones.

Really,from what I have read and seen on documentaries, the Unions brought down the Labour Govt in 1979,so I doubt really any party can influence the Unions once they decide they want action of some sort.

I agree, the issue this Union has now though does not need any strike action whatsoever in my view.

[Kizzy]

"Safety Working Hours"
that can be sorted - they get £45K for fecks sake.

So you think as they earn a decent wage they should be worked to death....Can I just remind you of one important issue....They drive tankers full of flammable liquid around...
Who would get the blame if a diver fell asleep and caused a major catastrophe?....

[arista]

I think as I read through political history, the Unions caused as many problems for Labour Govts as they have for Conservative ones.

Really,from what I have read and seen on documentaries, the Unions brought down the Labour Govt in 1979,so I doubt really any party can influence the Unions once they decide they want action of some sort.

I agree, the issue this Union has now though does not need any strike action whatsoever in my view.


Yes but back in 1979 the Unions had stronger power.


The Labour Leader , today
just says a Strike is wrong?
he does not go into Why the Hell they want to Strike

[arista]

"Safety Working Hours"
that can be sorted - they get £45K for fecks sake.

So you think as they earn a decent wage they should be worked to death....Can I just remind you of one important issue....They drive tankers full of flammable liquid around...
Who would get the blame if a diver fell asleep and caused a major catastrophe?....


No thats Me.

If they have Hour problems
it can be Sorted

Stop going on about Petrol Drivers asleep - no such casers.

[arista]

I am getting fed up with people striking as it just hits us poor spods trying to go about our business - I have a 60 mile round trip to work and back every day so this is going to have a major impact - I can't afford to lose my job. This doesn't hurt anyone but Joe public and these tanker drivers earn a bliddy good wage if you ask me maybe if they had no work they would appreciate the money a bit better *steps off soap box*


Yes a Truck Petrol Strike
could destroy us for the time they Strike
as the Army may get petrol to Buses
and Lorrys and Police , Hospitals etc

[Kizzy]

This is what Ed actually said...
This morning Labour leader Ed Miliband said a strike 'has got to be avoided' and called for negotiation on both sides. He said: 'They've said that they want to get round a table, they should get round a table, and I think this strike can be avoided and it must be avoided.'

They want to talk... Why is the government not talking to them?
Because they are too busy whipping the nation into a frenzy about it....

[arista]

This is what Ed actually said...
This morning Labour leader Ed Miliband said a strike 'has got to be avoided' and called for negotiation on both sides. He said: 'They've said that they want to get round a table, they should get round a table, and I think this strike can be avoided and it must be avoided.'

They want to talk... Why is the government not talking to them?
Because they are too busy whipping the nation into a frenzy about it....


Why does the Labour Leader not Talk to the Union?

They do not want to talk to Conservative/Lib Dem

[Kizzy]

No thats Me.

If they have Hour problems
it can be Sorted

Stop going on about Petrol Drivers asleep - no such casers.

Can it be sorted? I offered a hypothetical senario....It hasn't happened yet no....

[Kizzy]

Why does the Labour Leader not Talk to the Union?

They do not want to talk to Conservative/Lib Dem

Im not sure if you have noticed but Labour isn't actually running the country atm...

[arista]

Can it be sorted? I offered a hypothetical senario....It hasn't happened yet no....



Yes the Union sets a Deal the Employer takes it


Its That Simple
Lady

[arista]

Im not sure if you have noticed but Labour isn't actually running the country atm...


So.

They are in bed with the Poxy Unions

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/26/article-0-0E19014000000578-274_306x423.jpg

The Union Leader

[Kizzy]

So.

They are in bed with the Poxy Unions

Is that right? ...man

[arista]

The Labour Leader

backs the strike threat as he will not condemn it.

Ref: BBC1 News now


I hope you are Happy Kizzy

[Kizzy]

Oh are you back arista?....Come dine with me must have finished.

[arista]

Oh are you back arista?....Come dine with me must have finished.

That ended at 5:30PM

I am all over this site
not just you.

[Kizzy]

The Labour Leader

backs the strike as he will not condemn it.

Ref: BBC1 News now


I hope you are Happy Kizzy

I am happy thanks :) im ecstatically happy!

[arista]

Ch4News
also interviewed the Labour Leader
and again would Not Condemn the strike threat.

[Niall]

The statement Francis Maude made is a perfect example of just how out of touch the Tories are with real people. Iirc, he said to go and buy petrol, but store it in a can in your garage? Well firstly not many people have garages, and storing a flammable liquid in your house is idiotic. :joker:

God I ****ing hate these morons controlling our country.

[Livia]

Anyone is perfectly entitled not to like the Tories for whichever reasons they have, but I have to say... Francis Maude is not a great example of a politician. He's a fool and a liability. What he's doing in the cabinet is a mystery to many.

Gargantuan queue at my local petrol garage this evening, trailing out of the garage and up the road. Thanks Francis.

[Niall]

Anyone is perfectly entitled not to like the Tories for whichever reasons they have, but I have to say... Francis Maude is not a great example of a politician. He's a fool and a liability. What he's doing in the cabinet is a mystery to many.

Gargantuan queue at my local petrol garage this evening, trailing out of the garage and up the road. Thanks Francis.

Maybe so, but the fact that he's in their government if he is such a fool and liability is example enough of how sh!te the Tories are imo.

I noticed the panic buying earlier too: my Dad gave me a lift home from school and he stopped off at Tesco 'cause the car was low on petrol, and there were at least 20 cars at the garage. :bored:

[thesheriff443]

its the morons that fill up their cars only to let them sit on the drive,
while people that really need it go short,

[Livia]

Maybe so, but the fact that he's in their government if he is such a fool and liability is example enough of how sh!te the Tories are imo.

I noticed the panic buying earlier too: my Dad gave me a lift home from school and he stopped off at Tesco 'cause the car was low on petrol, and there were at least 20 cars at the garage. :bored:

Every government has their token idiots that somehow get into the cabinet and many more in government. Yes Men and a*se-kissers.

If I can't get petrol I'm stuffed. I live nowhere near a bus route, bloody miles from anywhere. Let's hope they get this sorted out or I'll be walking.

[Kizzy]

Yes you always get fall guys...look at 'persona non grata' girl....
Electric cars may be a soloution?...

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/28/article-2121099-125FD815000005DC-564_964x295.jpg

[Kizzy]

well...Who told people to storm the pumps?....the conservatives....

[thesheriff443]

its a good time to steal fuel,as all the cars are full,lol

[Kizzy]

Omg...I never thought of that...there will be a crime wave....:(

[thesheriff443]

there was some last time,they just cut the fuel lines,

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/3/29/1332977018516/Steve-Bell-cartoon-004.jpg

The Great Art of Steve Bell
for Joey and Kizzy

[King Gizzard]

Using public transport FTW

[arista]

No Crisis until the buggers go on Strike
but some places have folks in a panic.


Labour Leader backs the Strike.

[Kizzy]

Aw its a shame they didn't get that bill through isn't it....the one where employers can sack people at will? Then none of this silly business would be happening would it?...

[thesheriff443]

cant talk anymore iv run out of gas,

[Livia]

Labour was always going to side with the union because Unite is one of Labour's biggest backers. Their union backing is the reason Labour shat themselves when the Conservatives suggested a £50,000 limit on donations. Seems they only want to stop large donations to other parties.

If they do strike, and people can't get petrol, and goods can't get into the shops, and non-emergency hospital appointments are cancelled, and schools are closed etc. etc. etc... let's see how much sympathy and support the well-paid tanker drivers get from Joe Public then... not that they seem to have too much right now.

[Kizzy]

Does anyone actually know why the 'well paid' tanker drivers are threatening to strike ...Or are you just blowing hot air?

For those who wish to know...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/27/tanker-driver-strike-responsible-standards

Like i said yesterday it is a dangerous job.

[thesheriff443]

mummy is that a tanker, driver?

[Kizzy]

mummy is that a tanker, driver?

As per I have no clue what you are on about...
Haha i thought it was only arista that spoke in riddles :)

[thesheriff443]

its about livia post about how long people will be on the drivers,side
tanker,rymes with?

[Kizzy]

Ahhh...tricky...lol :)

[thesheriff443]

Ahhh...tricky...lol :)

you know how kids listen in on conversations,then blurt them out without warning,:spin:

[Livia]

its about livia post about how long people will be on the drivers,side
tanker,rymes with?

Do you think comments like that add a little gravitas to your argument?

[HBB1508]

Does anyone actually know why the 'well paid' tanker drivers are threatening to strike ...Or are you just blowing hot air?

For those who wish to know...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/27/tanker-driver-strike-responsible-standards

Like i said yesterday it is a dangerous job.

Given the article is written by the Unite union leader for me it holds little sway. All the strike will do is make life hell for Joe public and there is nothing we can do about it - the politicians don't care thier lives won't be impacted - it's just thoughtless on the part of the strikers in my opinion and playing the dangerous job card doesn't hold a lot of weight for me.

[Kizzy]

About as much as your suggestion that the labour party 'shat' themselves did in your comment earlier is my guess.....

[Kizzy]

Given the article is written by the Unite union leader for me it holds little sway. All the strike will do is make life hell for Joe public and there is nothing we can do about it - the politicians don't care thier lives won't be impacted - it's just thoughtless on the part of the strikers in my opinion and playing the dangerous job card doesn't hold a lot of weight for me.

Well it wouldn't would it your not the one DOING the dangerous job are you?...
Typical 'Im alright jack attitude'
One point i will agree on, the politicians do NOT care, Mr Cameron the least.
He wants the public to put pressure on the union to back down ...He caused the rush to the pumps to facilitate that...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fuel/9171458/Petrol-retailers-Government-intent-on-creating-fuel-crisis.html

[Jesus.]

People who complain about striking need to take history into perspective. Without unions, there would be no minimum wage, sickness benefits, mat/paternity pay, holiday, maximum working hours, rules against child labour, decent working conditions etc.

These things affect us all, and even Arista uses sickness/holiday benefits without realising how he got them.

People need to stop being so short-sighted about how issues with fuel affect us here in this minute. Strikes and unions improve working conditions for us all, and I say this as an employer.

[Kizzy]

People who complain about striking need to take history into perspective. Without unions, there would be no minimum wage, sickness benefits, mat/paternity pay, holiday, maximum working hours, rules against child labour, decent working conditions etc.

These things affect us all, and even Arista uses sickness/holiday benefits without realising how he got them.

People need to stop being so short-sighted about how issues with fuel affect us here in this minute. Strikes and unions improve working conditions for us all, and I say this as an employer.

Lets not take too much from Mr Rowntree, as an employer he saw his workers were treated respectfully. In this 'modern' era that has been overshadowed by greed and capitalist ethics.
I totally agree with you ...People do not realise how they got to be in the position they are in, unions play an important role.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/29/article-2121984-1262AFA8000005DC-29_634x446.jpg
Cashing in: A Jerrycan seller in Bournemouth is down to is last five cans after the fuel crisis vaused a stampede to his Army Surplus store.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121984/Fuel-panic-ministers-say-wait-cars-tank-half-topping-up.html#ixzz1qVttk1jT

[HBB1508]

Well it wouldn't would it your not the one DOING the dangerous job are you?...
Typical 'Im alright jack attitude'
One point i will agree on, the politicians do NOT care, Mr Cameron the least.
He wants the public to put pressure on the union to back down ...He caused the rush to the pumps to facilitate that...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fuel/9171458/Petrol-retailers-Government-intent-on-creating-fuel-crisis.html

How do you know I don't do a dangerous job??? Do you know me personally - thought not before you take that attitude and I'm allowed to have my say just as much as you and my opinion - did I dig at you in my post - that would be no. I would go on about capitalising the word doing but just can't be bothered - you obviously don't want a serious debate just your own way.

[arista]

How do you know I don't do a dangerous job??? Do you know me personally - thought not before you take that attitude and I'm allowed to have my say just as much as you and my opinion - did I dig at you in my post - that would be no. I would go on about capitalising the word doing but just can't be bothered - you obviously don't want a serious debate just your own way.

Very Valid Points.

[Kizzy]

How do you know I don't do a dangerous job??? Do you know me personally - thought not before you take that attitude and I'm allowed to have my say just as much as you and my opinion - did I dig at you in my post - that would be no. I would go on about capitalising the word doing but just can't be bothered - you obviously don't want a serious debate just your own way.
Of course i don't know you, or what you do ...I have not suggested you are not entitled to your opinion..
My 'attitude' is simply a reflection of my view on this topic and not a slur on you personally. If you misread it as such im sorry.
If you can be bothered i would love to debate this issue with you further.

[Kizzy]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/29/article-2121984-1262AFA8000005DC-29_634x446.jpg
Cashing in: A Jerrycan seller in Bournemouth is down to is last five cans after the fuel crisis vaused a stampede to his Army Surplus store.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121984/Fuel-panic-ministers-say-wait-cars-tank-half-topping-up.html#ixzz1qVttk1jT

Well done Mr Cameron mission accomplished...

[Ammi]

Dorset police are telling petrol stations to shut amid panic buying...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/29/petrol-strike-dorset-police-tell-petrol-stations-to-shut-amid-panic-buying_n_1387445.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D102356

[arista]

Dorset police are telling petrol stations to shut amid panic buying...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/29/petrol-strike-dorset-police-tell-petrol-stations-to-shut-amid-panic-buying_n_1387445.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D102356

Yes it has in some other places,
The Police have to do this.


Why can the Unions Not say they are not Striking?
thats what is needed
Not Poxy Labour gettting in the way.

[arista]

Well done Mr Cameron mission accomplished...

No they are trying hard.

And if they did not pre -warn us
about a Possible Strikes
the Public would hate them even more at strike time.


Should be a Good Question Time on BBC1 later tonight
I wish the Bloated BBC would go back to doing it Live not
Pre Edited, recorded 3 or more hours before it goes out.


The drivers want less hours
set up the Deal - Do not sit on you fecking hands
Poxy Union.

[Jesus.]

No they are trying hard.

And if they did not pre -warn us
about a Possible Strikes
the Public would hate them even more at strike time.


Should be a Good Question Time on BBC1 later tonight
I wish the Bloated BBC would go back to doing it Live not
Pre Edited, recorded 3 or more hours before it goes out.


The drivers want less hours
set up the Deal - Do not sit on you fecking hands
Poxy Union.


I presume you give back all your union earned rights?

[arista]

Stay On Topic Here

This Union needs to Call the Strike
or Not.

It can be Sorted
They work 12 hour shifts
give them 10 hour shifts or whatever they need.
Its the Employer and the Poxy Union at Fault.

£45K good wage
but they want less hours - It can be sorted

[Jesus.]

It is on topic. You made the thread about unions, so I'm asking if you give all your union-earned benefits back to your employer?

It's quite a simple question, really.

[arista]

Well Done Ch4 News
just showed a Tanker Driver who drives the same size Tanker
but he has milk in his.

He stated the Petrol Tanker drivers are just being Greedy.



Ch4News Fact.

[Jesus.]

Well Done Ch4 News
just showed a Tanker Driver who drives the same size Tanker
but he has milk in his.

He stated the Petrol Tanker drivers are just being Greedy.



Ch4News Fact.

Do the milk drivers, drive around with a massive bomb attached to their lorries, too?

[arista]

It is on topic. You made the thread about unions, so I'm asking if you give all your union-earned benefits back to your employer?

It's quite a simple question, really.


Wrong
This Thread is Not about Me,

[Marc]

Joke

[arista]

Do the milk drivers, drive around with a massive bomb attached to their lorries, too?

Of course not
but he does the Same Shifts, Same Massive Truck
and says the Petrol Tankers are Greedy.

[arista]

Joke

What are you talking about?

[Jesus.]

Wrong
This Thread is Not about Me,

In every post you've slagged off unions/union workers. So, in a way that is almost too polite, I'm asking you if you give back your own union-earned rights?

You can, of course, say that you don't wish to answer the question I've asked, but I'm just interested to know, because it is very relevant to whether unions encourage people to just be lazy (people aren't paid when they strike), or whether they fight for working men and women across the world.

[Marc]

Settle down guys :pat:

[arista]

So What if I do Not Like Unions.
Thats Fine.


Get On Topic.

[Kizzy]

Dont bother jeebs, fighting a losing battle against this diatribe...

[Jesus.]

So What if I do Not Like Unions.
Thats Fine.


Get On Topic.

The problem is, that I'm not allowed to question you.

I'll make one further point and leave the thread.

This thread is about unions, and workers rights. This is undeniable. But yet again, I'm not allowed to point out massive glaring flaws in the arguments that are being made.

The wider point that I'm making, is that people never moan that they are being paid holiday/sick leave, but have no idea of how they got those rights.

The mods come to your rescue again Arista.

The thread is all yours.

[arista]

"The mods come to your rescue again Arista."


No the staff do a good Job
and have told you and me to get on topic.

[Kizzy]

Of course not
but he does the Same Shifts, Same Massive Truck
and says the Petrol Tankers are Greedy.

They are not greedy, they have a very dangerous and responsible job.Working longer and faster would compromise safety...I cannot understand why you fail to see this arista

[arista]

They are not greedy, they have a very dangerous and responsible job.Working longer and faster would compromise safety...I cannot understand why you fail to see this arista


Sort Out a Deal.


But on Ch4News today
A Tanker Driver of Milk
said they are Greedy.


Well Done Ch4News.

[Kizzy]

Sort Out a Deal.


But on Ch4News today
A Tanker Driver of Milk
said they are Greedy.


Well Done Ch4News.

I don't care what that guy says, his view is irrelevant.

[arista]

I don't care what that guy says, his view is irrelevant.


I do Care what he said

Well Done Ch4News

[Kizzy]

I do Care what he said

Well Done Ch4News

More fool you for taking the view of someone completely unaffected by the proposals then.
Don't search out any facts for yourself will you, let C4 spoonfeed you....open wide.

[arista]

I burned that Interview onto my latest DVDR

[Kizzy]

I burned that Interview onto my latest DVDR


Good for you..

[King Gizzard]

30 March 2012 Last updated at 11:48


Fuel strike over Easter ruled out by union

Aerial footage showed long queues for fuel in New Malden, south-west London, on Thursday
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An Easter strike by fuel tanker drivers has been ruled out by the Unite union.

It is to join conciliation talks and says there may still be a strike after Easter if those fail.

Government advice to drivers to top up tanks has been blamed by retailers for causing "panic buying". Demand for petrol rose 172% on Thursday, and diesel 77%, said independent experts.

In York, a woman suffered 40% burns on Thursday when petrol ignited as she was decanting it in her kitchen.

The union announced on Friday morning that there would be no strike over Easter.

In a statement, assistant general secretary Diana Holland said: "We do still retain the right to call strike action for after Easter should those talks break down."

Some 90% of UK forecourts are supplied by the Unite union's 2,000 or so members at the centre of the dispute.

Unite's drivers, who deliver fuel to Shell and Esso garages and supermarkets such as Tesco and Sainsbury's, have called for minimum working conditions covering pay, hours, holiday and redundancy.

Conciliation service Acas says it hopes talks between employers and unions will take place shortly after Monday.
Contingency plans

Queues formed at many petrol stations across the country on Thursday as demand for fuel rose.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

It is for the employers and unions to resolve their issues by getting around the negotiating table and talking”

DECC spokeswoman

Some garages ran dry but retailers said they were coping and normal deliveries would ensure supplies were replenished.

Anticipating a strike they describe as "completely wrong", ministers have called for motorists to keep their cars "topped up" but urged people not to queue.

On Thursday, Energy Secretary Ed Davey advised that people "just need to do the sensible thing... get a full tank of petrol, not a half-tank".

Mr Davey is due to meet hauliers on Friday to discuss plans in the event of a strike.

He told the BBC the talks were aimed at building "detailed and robust" contingency plans.

Mr Davey said one of the issues to be discussed would be ways to store fuel to ensure that emergency services had enough supplies in the event of industrial action.
Graphic showing how long fuel in UK drivers' tanks could last

Earlier, a Department of Energy and Climate Change spokeswoman said: "There will be no discussions on the dispute itself. That is an industrial matter, and it is for the employers and unions to resolve their issues by getting around the negotiating table and talking."

Brian Madderson, chairman of independent retailers' group RMI Petrol, accused ministers of "making a crisis out of a serious concern" and said they should have sought industry advice "weeks ago" on how to avoid fuel shortages.

It said petrol sales had been up 81% on normal levels on Wednesday, with diesel up 43%.

Teresa Sayers, chief executive of retailer group the Downstream Fuel Association, said increased demand had resulted in some UK garages running out of fuel.

The Petrol Retailers Association, which represents around 5,500 garages, said: "This is exactly what we didn't want - people panic-buying."

But Conservative Party co-chairman Baroness Warsi defended the government over its advice in the face of a possible strike.

"I want a government that's prepared to say to people 'use your common sense and let's be resilient and make sure there's fuel built into the system'.

"I don't want a government that's sat on its hands, waits for the crisis to approach us and then looks like it's caught in the headlights," she said.

'Shambles' accusation

The accident in York on Thursday happened as a woman, in her 40s, was transferring petrol between containers in her kitchen because her daughter had run out of fuel.

The cooker was on and the petrol fumes ignited. The woman has been treated for her injuries at Pinderfields Hospital in Wakefield.

The day before had seen controversy over Cabinet Minister Francis Maude's suggestion that people could store petrol in jerrycans at home - advice later withdrawn as a mistake.

Labour leader Ed Miliband has called on Prime Minister David Cameron to apologise for "presiding over a shambles on petrol" and accused the government of diverting attention from criticism of the Budget.

The Conservatives hit back at Labour for failing to condemn the stance of Unite - the party's biggest donor.

Acas hopes a format for talks will be fixed by Monday, with face-to-face discussions starting soon afterwards.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17558294

[King Gizzard]

30 March 2012 Last updated at 11:48


Fuel strike over Easter ruled out by union

Aerial footage showed long queues for fuel in New Malden, south-west London, on Thursday
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories

'Panic buying' at petrol stations
Nick Robinson: 'Don't panic,' they said
Fuel queues: Your views

An Easter strike by fuel tanker drivers has been ruled out by the Unite union.

It is to join conciliation talks and says there may still be a strike after Easter if those fail.

Government advice to drivers to top up tanks has been blamed by retailers for causing "panic buying". Demand for petrol rose 172% on Thursday, and diesel 77%, said independent experts.

In York, a woman suffered 40% burns on Thursday when petrol ignited as she was decanting it in her kitchen.

The union announced on Friday morning that there would be no strike over Easter.

In a statement, assistant general secretary Diana Holland said: "We do still retain the right to call strike action for after Easter should those talks break down."

Some 90% of UK forecourts are supplied by the Unite union's 2,000 or so members at the centre of the dispute.

Unite's drivers, who deliver fuel to Shell and Esso garages and supermarkets such as Tesco and Sainsbury's, have called for minimum working conditions covering pay, hours, holiday and redundancy.

Conciliation service Acas says it hopes talks between employers and unions will take place shortly after Monday.
Contingency plans

Queues formed at many petrol stations across the country on Thursday as demand for fuel rose.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

It is for the employers and unions to resolve their issues by getting around the negotiating table and talking”

DECC spokeswoman

Some garages ran dry but retailers said they were coping and normal deliveries would ensure supplies were replenished.

Anticipating a strike they describe as "completely wrong", ministers have called for motorists to keep their cars "topped up" but urged people not to queue.

On Thursday, Energy Secretary Ed Davey advised that people "just need to do the sensible thing... get a full tank of petrol, not a half-tank".

Mr Davey is due to meet hauliers on Friday to discuss plans in the event of a strike.

He told the BBC the talks were aimed at building "detailed and robust" contingency plans.

Mr Davey said one of the issues to be discussed would be ways to store fuel to ensure that emergency services had enough supplies in the event of industrial action.
Graphic showing how long fuel in UK drivers' tanks could last

Earlier, a Department of Energy and Climate Change spokeswoman said: "There will be no discussions on the dispute itself. That is an industrial matter, and it is for the employers and unions to resolve their issues by getting around the negotiating table and talking."

Brian Madderson, chairman of independent retailers' group RMI Petrol, accused ministers of "making a crisis out of a serious concern" and said they should have sought industry advice "weeks ago" on how to avoid fuel shortages.

It said petrol sales had been up 81% on normal levels on Wednesday, with diesel up 43%.

Teresa Sayers, chief executive of retailer group the Downstream Fuel Association, said increased demand had resulted in some UK garages running out of fuel.

The Petrol Retailers Association, which represents around 5,500 garages, said: "This is exactly what we didn't want - people panic-buying."

But Conservative Party co-chairman Baroness Warsi defended the government over its advice in the face of a possible strike.

"I want a government that's prepared to say to people 'use your common sense and let's be resilient and make sure there's fuel built into the system'.

"I don't want a government that's sat on its hands, waits for the crisis to approach us and then looks like it's caught in the headlights," she said.

'Shambles' accusation

The accident in York on Thursday happened as a woman, in her 40s, was transferring petrol between containers in her kitchen because her daughter had run out of fuel.

The cooker was on and the petrol fumes ignited. The woman has been treated for her injuries at Pinderfields Hospital in Wakefield.

The day before had seen controversy over Cabinet Minister Francis Maude's suggestion that people could store petrol in jerrycans at home - advice later withdrawn as a mistake.

Labour leader Ed Miliband has called on Prime Minister David Cameron to apologise for "presiding over a shambles on petrol" and accused the government of diverting attention from criticism of the Budget.

The Conservatives hit back at Labour for failing to condemn the stance of Unite - the party's biggest donor.

Acas hopes a format for talks will be fixed by Monday, with face-to-face discussions starting soon afterwards.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17558294

[Kizzy]

So who is going to take responsibility for this? Francis Maude?....David Cameron?....As the advice from Ed Davey and the incident happened on the same day, it could also be his comment that made this lady attempt such a dangerous task.
My guess is none of them will!

[arista]

Len McCluskey

http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/res/839.$plit/C_71_article_1470889_image_list_image_list_item_0_ image.jpg?17%2F01%2F2012%2009%3A23%3A42%3A608

[Kizzy]

I dont think so arista....
Here is a quote from his guardian article...
''tanker drivers are responsible professionals. Unite has written to the minister asking for a full breakdown of the emergency supply centres so that we can secure these. At the same time, we asked him to remind the industry not to be tempted to sell these supplies, as they have done before''

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17570627

The government has changed its advice to motorists after two days of panic buying at petrol stations.

Ministers now say there is no urgent need to top up petrol tanks, after the Unite union ruled out a strike by tanker drivers over Easter.

This so-called "government" couldn't organise the proverbial ****-up in a brewery but it would ensure that profit margins were increased to "cope with demand" ..... :rolleyes:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17706221

The fuel tanker drivers' dispute could be over after the Unite union agreed to put a possible deal to its members.

The deal was tabled following lengthy talks between the union and officials from six distribution firms.

About 60 union representatives from across the country will discuss the deal, and could still reject the proposals or ask for changes.

BBC transport correspondent Richard Westcott said there could still be a decision to strike, but that a deal was now effectively on the table.

A slap in the mush for the scare-mongering Tories ..... :laugh:

[Kizzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17706221



A slap in the mush for the scare-mongering Tories ..... :laugh:

Yes, what will they do now to take the spotlight off their misdemeanors?.....:joker:

[Omah]

Yes, what will they do now to take the spotlight off their misdemeanors?.....:joker:

I await with bated breath ..... ;)

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17753488l

Tanker drivers' representatives are likely to reject a deal with company bosses aimed at averting strikes in the fuel dispute, the BBC understands.

Proposals were drawn up during six days of negotiations last week between the Unite union and company bosses.

Union sources say the representatives are likely to reject the plans in a vote later.

BBC correspondent John Moylan said the two sides might now reconvene at the conciliation service Acas.

The news meant the offer on the table was not regarded as sufficient but it did not necessarily mean the dispute would escalate, he said.

Unite has until Friday to accept a deal or announce a strike, after a deadline for calling industrial action was extended.

It would then have to give seven days' notice of any industrial action.

Wednesday's talks, involving 60 representatives of drivers at seven haulage firms, are continuing.

Don't panic !

:eek:

[joeysteele]

They will be really foolish to strike over this, the public in the main will be with the Govt on this one. I hope they think hard on that.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17998518

Re-balloted fuel tanker drivers have voted against strikes but in favour of other forms of industrial action.

Members of the Unite union at Hoyer voted again after some workers did not receive papers during the last ballot.

Union leaders said 57.5% of members on a turnout of 79.5% at the company voted for action short of a strike.

Hoyer is one of six companies involved in a dispute over minimum standards in the industry which saw eight days of talks at conciliation service Acas.

Hoyer delivers petrol for Shell and Esso.

The union said a "significant minority" - 39.2% - were in favour of strike action in the ballot of more than 500 drivers.

'Vital industry'

Unite assistant general secretary Diana Holland said: "The vote in favour of action short of a strike demonstrates that deep concerns still remain in an increasingly insecure and unstable industry.

"Tanker drivers face a daily race to the bottom where contracts are chopped and changed.

"It is in everyone's interest to bring order to the chaos gripping a vital industry through the introduction of industry wide minimum standards.

"Members are currently taking part in a consultative ballot over proposals tabled through Acas. We will be announcing the result on Friday along with the next steps of our campaign to bring stability to the industry through the introduction of minimum standards."

Drivers at other companies in the dispute - including Wincanton, DHL, BP and Norbert Dentressangle - are being recommended to reject the proposals.

A spokesman for Hoyer said: "Hoyer is pleased that Unite members among its drivers have voted overwhelmingly to reject any strike action.

"This outcome is to the benefit of the company, its workforce and the country at large."

The government was criticised for advising motorists to store fuel in jerry cans after an initial vote in favour of strikes, followed by panic buying.

Maybe a resolution for the drivers soon ..... :cool:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18036724

A strike by fuel tanker drivers has been averted after they narrowly voted to accept a deal, the Unite union says.

It means the long-running dispute over terms and conditions, that resulted in panic fuel-buying in March, is over.

Drivers from seven haulage firms backed the deal by 51% overall, while drivers in four of the companies voted to reject it.

Unite said the vote left no room for "complacency" and called for quick implementation of proposals.

It added the dispute had highlighted "deep-seated problems" in fuel supply and called on the energy select committee to launch an investigation into the industry.

The deal was brokered during talks at the conciliation service Acas.

A good result for everyone, except the scaremongering Tories, who like nothing better than industrial disputes which scare the public into the Conservative camp ..... :pipe:

[Kazanne]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18036724



A good result for everyone, except the scaremongering Tories, who like nothing better than industrial disputes which scare the public into the Conservative camp ..... :pipe:

The only people that scared me into the Tory camp was the reckless Labour party,they made me realise just how irresponsible and incapable they are,full of empty promises which some people lap up for some strange reason.No give me someone who will be cruel to be kind as they say.

[Omah]

The only people that scared me into the Tory camp was the reckless Labour party,they made me realise just how irresponsible and incapable they are,full of empty promises which some people lap up for some strange reason.No give me someone who will be cruel to be kind as they say.

Speaking of empty promises :

Tuesday, 13 April 2010

Conservative leader David Cameron has launched his party's election manifesto, which he says is a "plan to change Britain for the better".

AFAIK, under the Tories, Britain has changed for the worse, except for Cameron's clique and cronies, who grow richer year on year ..... :rolleyes: