Ashleigh and Scott warned over Deana impression

[*mazedsalv**]

Everyone is getting told off. BB getting scared of Ofcom complaints now?

http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big-brother/96864-big-brother-2012-ashleigh-warned-over-deana-impersonation.html

[sampvt]

God forbid, you cant even do an impression of another house mate. What in hells names going on. They let Conor and Caroline off with a slap on the wrist for a disgusting act now they give a final warning for doing an impression of another HM, are they all on f..king drugs because if they arnt, they ought to be.

[coolface]

ugh, pathetic, aren't big brother the ones who ****ing gave shievonne a bloody task to impersonate other housemates, wtf!

[InOne]

I wonder if they would've got told of if it was Adam and an American accent?

[coolface]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATrwkMAjEkI

and then later bb gave her an actual task to do it

am I missing something here, seriously

[smeagol]

its sad when you cant mimic someone cause they are black or asian yet you can do irish scottish welsh american canadian etc till the cows come home and thats ok.
unless its malious it shouldn't be a problem. but knowing those two it probably was.

[skkc16]

These kinda things annoy. Marcus said it perfectly in BB10 referring to the Sree incident. However if they mimicked her in an Indian accent then that's wrong because she has a Brummie/Teeside accent. This would then imply that there is a possibility of them stereotyping all Indians, making the warning necessary.

[sampvt]

its sad when you cant mimic someone cause they are black or asian yet you can do irish scottish welsh american canadian etc till the cows come home and thats ok.
unless its malious it shouldn't be a problem. but knowing those two it probably was.

Are you saying that we should all be able to mimic a black or Asian person like we do the irish or scots. If thats the case then why have you just been jumping all over my head for a stereotype remark I made in innocence on another post. You have me confused.

[MrWong]

:conf:

Scott was given a final warning....?

What were his other warnings for?

[Lwize]

They're clamping down on the real or perceived bullying going on in the house.
If HM's are going to act like children, they should be scolded accordingly.

[sampvt]

:conf:

Scott was given a final warning....?

What were his other warnings for?

He got his first warning for an offensive haircut and his second for upsetting gay posh people with his forced totty dialect. Or maybe its just because he is an offencive little turd.

[smeagol]

Are you saying that we should all be able to mimic a black or Asian person like we do the irish or scots. If thats the case then why have you just been jumping all over my head for a stereotype remark I made in innocence on another post. You have me confused.

im saying people mimic the scots irish english welsh etc all the time and no one cares. so unless what they are saying is offensive there should be no problem.
i dont know what they said could be something dodgy.

your post in the other thread was just plain sterotype driven and ill informed it was nothing to do with accents. just some bizarre excuse and reason to have a go at her .which i find really weird.lol

[MrWong]

He got his first warning for an offensive haircut and his second for upsetting gay posh people with his forced totty dialect. Or maybe its just because he is an offencive little turd.

None of the above..... Apparently he sprayed perfume in his mouth to get drunk.

[armand.kay]

Threaten to rape someone is ok but Impersonate them **** is going down! :joker:

[Jordan.]

So were they mimicking her in an Indian accent (even though she doesn't have one :suspect:) doesn't make sense to punish them if not?

[bbfan1991]

Bloody hell. Warning and OFCOM complaint central!

[sampvt]

im saying people mimic the scots irish english welsh etc all the time and no one cares. so unless what they are saying is offensive there should be no problem.
i dont know what they said could be something dodgy.

your post in the other thread was just plain sterotype driven and ill informed it was nothing to do with accents. just some bizarre excuse and reason to have a go at her .which i find really weird.lol

How in heavens name was my post ill informed I was quoting passages from her own hand written Bios. She said herself she was educated awith a degree or something in business studies and I added her fellow countrymen are regarded as great mathamaticians and shopkeeprs etc. I just used different words but it amounted to the same. The Irish fight, the jocks drink, the welsh shag sheep, the english cant take penalties and the indians are great shop keepers, what is your problem with that. You need to question values you have and wonder if they are just a little too strong and self opinionated. I meant no harm and I even apologised in a previous post if I offended anyone and was told I didnt offend anyone then you came on and try to publically execute me.

Smeagol I like you and your posts but you have your nasty head on today mate, chill, i am not the enemy just becasue I dont like your poster girl. A post is only offensive if it is written in malice or with intent in mind. Your post about its ok to mimic the irish is offensive to me as I am Irish so are you going to apologise to me as well, I dont think so because you are right and we are all wrong if we dont agree with you.

PS Mods I am not arguing I am just putting a fellow poster on the right track. Please dont infract me

[smeagol]

How in heavens name was my post ill informed I was quoting passages from her own hand written Bios. She said herself she was educated awith a degree or something in business studies and I added her fellow countrymen are regarded as great mathamaticians and shopkeeprs etc. I just used different words but it amounted to the same. The Irish fight, the jocks drink, the welsh shag sheep, the english cant take penalties and the indians are great shop keepers, what is your problem with that. You need to question values you have and wonder if they are just a little too strong and self opinionated. I meant no harm and I even apologised in a previous post if I offended anyone and was told I didnt offend anyone then you came on and try to publically execute me.

Smeagol I like you and your posts but you have your nasty head on today mate, chill, i am not the enemy just becasue I dont like your poster girl. A post is only offensive if it is written in malice or with intent in mind. Your post about its ok to mimic the irish is offensive to me as I am Irish so are you going to apologise to me as well, I dont think so because you are right and we are all wrong if we dont agree with you.

PS Mods I am not arguing I am just putting a fellow poster on the right track. Please dont infract me

me chill ? er hello lol if i was anymore chilled id be frozen.
my values are fine thanks and no one is out to exucute you no need to go all drama school on me.
you think her not adding up was some weird strange part of her master plan i find it strange is all no need to take offence.
as for the mimic stuff people mimic all accents comedians do it everyday on tv. its not offence unless what they say is. im sure you actually agree really.
were not arguing just debating. the track is getting muddy lol

[sampvt]

me chill ? er hello lol if i was anymore chilled id be frozen.
my values are fine thanks and no one is out to exucute you no need to go all drama school on me.
you think her not adding up was some weird strange part of her master plan i find it strange is all no need to take offence.
as for the mimic stuff people mimic all accents comedians do it everyday on tv. its not offence unless what they say is. im sure you actually agree really.
were not arguing just debating. the track is getting muddy lol



Agreed :):):):)

[MeMyselfAndI]

It's not going to stop people complaining.
People will complain that Big Brother is too strict next:laugh:

[MeMyselfAndI]

It's not going to stop people complaining.
People will complain that Big Brother is too strict next:laugh:

[iRyan]

If they were mimicking her with an Indian accent when she doesn't even have one, then that is racist.

[joeysteele]

Only being told off for certain things against certain housemates though, which is as near as bad as doing nothing.
More likely double standards.

[calyman]

the jocks drink, the welsh shag sheep


As a Scot I take great offense to ignorant stereotypes like "Jock", please do not use such an offensive label, it fell out of favour along with flares, platform shoes, dodgy haircuts and questionable golf clubs!

If you want to refer to Scots, then please label them as Scots. You'll noet I've not commented on your other empty stereotype, that's a matter for your own conscience.

[cassieparis]

Are you saying that we should all be able to mimic a black or Asian person like we do the irish or scots. If thats the case then why have you just been jumping all over my head for a stereotype remark I made in innocence on another post. You have me confused.

Intention is everything.
It's not mimicry or even parody when the other people speak in the same accent as the mainstream. It has darker under tones. Nasty ones IMHO.

Deanna doesn't have an Indian or Pakistani accent. So by directing one at her suggests your intention is to mock and ridicule her origins. Maybe belittle and maybe hate.

If I starting doing an Israeli accent to a British Jew from London who has an English accent And I did it with mocking and ridiculing suggestions you'd quickly understand I was being nasty at best. Racist at worst.

Another example. If you were standing in the middle of the Kalahari and the African bush men surrounded your average white Englishman sniggering exaggerated "why ay man's" in a Geordie accent accompanied with lifting of beer gestures. Just because the Englishman's father was from Newcastle you might wonder that they were trying to offend based on his race and origins. .

I've never heard an Irish person Geordie or a cockney accent ridiculed in the BB house but perhaps mimicked with inclusion.

On the other hand mocking those who do have accents suggests a lack of intelligence and imagination and reeks of xenophobic insecurity also.

Yeah I know yada yada yada but in what accent........?

[chuff me dizzy]

Hiya everyone, Im back from my jollies and still catching up on shows ,Dear me just looked at betting ,and it appears yet again we are going to get the "poor me,pity"winner :sleep: What is this show coming too? Deana was mocking Conor language and said she couldnt understand him, and not a word said, but yet again the plastic princess is being "picked on" Lauren will stay tomorrow due to the "poor me/pity" votes due to her endless crying and "why do they all hate me?" rages ,lock the door, turn the lights off and give the cheque to the gold digger :sleep::sleep:

[sampvt]

Hiya everyone, Im back from my jollies and still catching up on shows ,Dear me just looked at betting ,and it appears yet again we are going to get the "poor me,pity"winner :sleep: What is this show coming too? Deana was mocking Conor language and said she couldnt understand him, and not a word said, but yet again the plastic princess is being "picked on" Lauren will stay tomorrow due to the "poor me/pity" votes due to her endless crying and "why do they all hate me?" rages ,lock the door, turn the lights off and give the cheque to the gold digger :sleep::sleep:

:hello::hello::hello::banana::banana::banana::danc e2::dance2::dance2::dance::dance::dance:

[DanielLuis]

If Scott is in his last warning how the hell Caroline and Conor are still in the house?

[InOne]

Hiya everyone, Im back from my jollies and still catching up on shows ,Dear me just looked at betting ,and it appears yet again we are going to get the "poor me,pity"winner :sleep: What is this show coming too? Deana was mocking Conor language and said she couldnt understand him, and not a word said, but yet again the plastic princess is being "picked on" Lauren will stay tomorrow due to the "poor me/pity" votes due to her endless crying and "why do they all hate me?" rages ,lock the door, turn the lights off and give the cheque to the gold digger :sleep::sleep:

Welcome back Chuff :worship:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Hiya everyone, Im back from my jollies and still catching up on shows ,Dear me just looked at betting ,and it appears yet again we are going to get the "poor me,pity"winner :sleep: What is this show coming too? Deana was mocking Conor language and said she couldnt understand him, and not a word said, but yet again the plastic princess is being "picked on" Lauren will stay tomorrow due to the "poor me/pity" votes due to her endless crying and "why do they all hate me?" rages ,lock the door, turn the lights off and give the cheque to the gold digger :sleep::sleep:

Welcome back :love: How was your holiday?

[DanielLuis]

Hiya everyone, Im back from my jollies and still catching up on shows ,Dear me just looked at betting ,and it appears yet again we are going to get the "poor me,pity"winner :sleep: What is this show coming too? Deana was mocking Conor language and said she couldnt understand him, and not a word said, but yet again the plastic princess is being "picked on" Lauren will stay tomorrow due to the "poor me/pity" votes due to her endless crying and "why do they all hate me?" rages ,lock the door, turn the lights off and give the cheque to the gold digger :sleep::sleep:

What week are you in? Honestly, you must be in week 4 or something to say that...

[chuff me dizzy]

Welcome back :love: How was your holiday?

Thank you xx it was lovely but far too hot

[chuff me dizzy]

What week are you in? Honestly, you must be in week 4 or something to say that...

Naah !! I dont think so ,from the first week Plastic Princess Deana has gone for the "pity me/bullied" points and its paying off ,but if she wins it will be a meritless victory ,just like Shilpas win

[chuff me dizzy]

Welcome back Chuff :worship:

Thank you xx for some reason my V+ box has missed out a couple of nights shows,so will have to watch them online

[DanielLuis]

Naah !! I dont think so ,from the first week Plastic Princess Deana has gone for the "pity me/bullied" points and its paying off ,but if she wins it will be a meritless victory ,just like Shilpas win

First watch the whole show, really. She is much more deserving than more than half of the house, if not the whole house. Anyway welcome back.

[lostalex]

Everyone's saying she doesn't have an Indian accent, but when i hear her i do hear an Indian accent. It's not a full on Apu from the Simpsons accent or anything, but i do hear it.

[chuff me dizzy]

First watch the whole show, really. She is much more deserving than more than half of the house, if not the whole house. Anyway welcome back.

She is worthy and deserving of winning sod all

[chuff me dizzy]

Everyone's saying she doesn't have an Indian accent, but when i hear her i do hear an Indian accent. It's not a full on Apu from the Simpsons accent or anything, but i do hear it.

She HAS got an Indian accent, but be careful you will be called racist :bored:

[smartalec2718]

She is worthy and deserving of winning sod all

Welcome back! Can't believe I'm saying this but I rather missed your delusions :love:

[chuff me dizzy]

Welcome back! Can't believe I'm saying this but I rather missed your delusions :love:

I prefer to call them deeply thought out, people reading FACTS, but each to their own ,thanks for missing me xxxxxxxx

[Me. I Am Salman]

Hiya everyone, Im back from my jollies and still catching up on shows ,Dear me just looked at betting ,and it appears yet again we are going to get the "poor me,pity"winner :sleep: What is this show coming too? Deana was mocking Conor language and said she couldnt understand him, and not a word said, but yet again the plastic princess is being "picked on" Lauren will stay tomorrow due to the "poor me/pity" votes due to her endless crying and "why do they all hate me?" rages ,lock the door, turn the lights off and give the cheque to the gold digger :sleep::sleep:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/pjcomix/blog/nancy_pelosi.jpg

[optimisticcynic]

The Irish fight, the jocks drink, the welsh shag sheep, the english cant take penalties and the indians are great shop keepers, what is your problem with that.


Sam, you apologised and completely redeemed yourself on the other thread then you came here and dug even deeper. "Indians are great shop keepers"?!!!!!!! I'll be sure to inform my asian friends that they have let their families down by becoming surgeons, architects, lawyers and teachers...... There may not be malice in your posts but there is certainly an underlying prejudice where it is totally acceptable to pigeon-hole ethnic groups. Such tendencies are dangerous and I doubt that I need to give examples.

As for imitating "a black or asian accent", what the hell is one of those? Colour of skin does not denote accent and this is reflected in the very sensible observation that if you mimic Deana (the person, as opposed to her race as a whole which would encompass a variety of accents) it shouldn't be offensive as long as it sounds like her, but if you target what you feel are her origins and attempt an indian accent, then it is not her you are mocking. It's her race.

I'm chuffed someone has stood up for the Scots as well, as bigotry isn't only targeted at black and asian people. It's a means of belittling any minority/majority group.

[chuff me dizzy]

Sam, you apologised and completely redeemed yourself on the other thread then you came here and dug even deeper. "Indians are great shop keepers"?!!!!!!! I'll be sure to inform my asian friends that they have let their families down by becoming surgeons, architects, lawyers and teachers...... There may not be malice in your posts but there is certainly an underlying prejudice where it is totally acceptable to pigeon-hole ethnic groups. Such tendencies are dangerous and I doubt that I need to give examples.

As for imitating "a black or asian accent", what the hell is one of those? Colour of skin does not denote accent and this is reflected in the very sensible observation that if you mimic Deana (the person, as opposed to her race as a whole which would encompass a variety of accents) it shouldn't be offensive as long as it sounds like her, but if you target what you feel are her origins and attempt an indian accent, then it is not her you are mocking. It's her race.

I'm chuffed someone has stood up for the Scots as well, as bigotry isn't only targeted at black and asian people. It's a means of belittling any minority/majority group.

Racism works BOTH ways, black on white as much if not more then white on black

[Nedusa]

I'm totally amazed , talk about double standards it's OK to mimic people's accents as long as there the right sort of accents, wouldn't want to stray down the path of political incorrectness. OMG I think it's time to hit the OFF switch, BB is making it up as they go along. They're probably so paranoid about upsetting the wrong demographic groups, the PC groups , the Sponsors, the Advertisers, the rules have become totally dependent on the prevailing mood of the day. They need to allow the housemates room to breathe, be expressive, get angry , be funny whatever..... But the second it's interpreted as potentially offensive then their pulled up for it. Fine ! But how about a bit of consistency , let everyone know where the lines are and keep them there. Not change the rules on an almost daily basis.... Don't know how much more of this current series I can take...!!!!!!!!!

[cassieparis]

Everyone's saying she doesn't have an Indian accent, but when i hear her i do hear an Indian accent. It's not a full on Apu from the Simpsons accent or anything, but i do hear it.

She HAS got an Indian accent, but be careful you will be called racist :bored:

She has a midland's accent. She is from Birmingham. She has Asian origins not an Asian accent.
Her Indian background brings on stereotype hearing :wink::rolleyes:

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm totally amazed , talk about double standards it's OK to mimic people's accents as long as there the right sort of accents, wouldn't want to stray down the path of political incorrectness. OMG I think it's time to hit the OFF switch, BB is making it up as they go along. They're probably so paranoid about upsetting the wrong demographic groups, the PC groups , the Sponsors, the Advertisers, the rules have become totally dependent on the prevailing mood of the day. They need to allow the housemates room to breathe, be expressive, get angry , be funny whatever..... But the second it's interpreted as potentially offensive then their pulled up for it. Fine ! But how about a bit of consistency , let everyone know where the lines are and keep them there. Not change the rules on an almost daily basis.... Don't know how much more of this current series I can take...!!!!!!!!!

Totally agree, if Luke goes tomorrow its switch of time for me,this is turning into the worst series ever and Im 100% true blue bb fan from series one ,this series has really made me wish channel 5 had not bought the show

[chuff me dizzy]

She has a midland's accent. She is from Birmingham. She has Asian origins not an Asian accent.
Her Indian background brings on stereotype hearing :wink::rolleyes:

She HAS an Indian accent

[Me. I Am Salman]

She HAS an Indian accent

No she doesn't...

[chuff me dizzy]

No she doesn't...

Yes,she does :idc:

[Me. I Am Salman]

http://sp.life123.com/bm.pix/earwax2.s600x600.jpg

[sampvt]

Sam, you apologised and completely redeemed yourself on the other thread then you came here and dug even deeper. "Indians are great shop keepers"?!!!!!!! I'll be sure to inform my asian friends that they have let their families down by becoming surgeons, architects, lawyers and teachers...... There may not be malice in your posts but there is certainly an underlying prejudice where it is totally acceptable to pigeon-hole ethnic groups. Such tendencies are dangerous and I doubt that I need to give examples.

As for imitating "a black or asian accent", what the hell is one of those? Colour of skin does not denote accent and this is reflected in the very sensible observation that if you mimic Deana (the person, as opposed to her race as a whole which would encompass a variety of accents) it shouldn't be offensive as long as it sounds like her, but if you target what you feel are her origins and attempt an indian accent, then it is not her you are mocking. It's her race.

I'm chuffed someone has stood up for the Scots as well, as bigotry isn't only targeted at black and asian people. It's a means of belittling any minority/majority group.

Have you actually started a thread on here or are you just out to rape and pillage as you go along. I honestly think you are confusing me with someone that gives a **** about your opinions, others know what i mean, Sorry to be pointed but as Dizzy says, Rascism goes both ways and if a post is written devoid of malice but controversial in its content, by definition that post should be regarded as an opinion and not a dig or slur on the person or race it is about. I can be controvertial but i am never nasty nor do i deliberately set out to slag off people unless it is in a fun way.

Now please leave it out as I cant afford another infraction.

[optimisticcynic]

Racism works BOTH ways, black on white as much if not more then white on black

Racism can involve all races. There is no "both ways". And your ridiculous statistic is unfounded, disproven by history, and reeks of a defensive institutionally racist "old-boy" attitude. That is my first impression, and I hope I am wrong.

Returning to the actual thread, noone seems to know what was said or how so this is all hypothetical.

[cassieparis]

http://sp.life123.com/bm.pix/earwax2.s600x600.jpg
There should be Ot ex with that cotton bud!
Too many episodes of "Mind yer Language" :wink:
..... other earwax dissolvants can be used

[chuff me dizzy]

Racism can involve all races. There is no "both ways". And your ridiculous statistic is unfounded, disproven by history, and reeks of a defensive institutionally racist "old-boy" attitude. That is my first impression, and I hope I am wrong.

Returning to the actual thread, noone seems to know what was said or how so this is all hypothetical.

"Disproven by history?" :idc: wake up to the REAL world old chum

[optimisticcynic]

Have you actually started a thread on here or are you just out to rape and pillage as you go along. I honestly think you are confusing me with someone that gives a **** about your opinions, others know what i mean, Sorry to be pointed but as Dizzy says, Rascism goes both ways and if a post is written devoid of malice but controversial in its content, by definition that post should be regarded as an opinion and not a dig or slur on the person or race it is about. I can be controvertial but i am never nasty nor do i deliberately set out to slag off people unless it is in a fun way.

Now please leave it out as I cant afford another infraction.

If you don't want another infraction, stop making stupid generalisations. I'm not making you look racist. Your racist statements are making you look racist. And finding another person who shares your penchant for offensive posts does not excuse your words. If you offend me, I will tell you. If you choose to ignore me, it is your choice. I have no responsibility for you.

[Me. I Am Salman]

chuff me dizzy and sampvt can you go away and never come back

[optimisticcynic]

"Disproven by history?" :idc: wake up to the REAL world old chum

Bored of you.

[jemlou29]

they done it in a bullying way all laughing at her, and saying that because indians eat with thier hands as part of the culture and relate it to deana..yes it was wrong

[Amy Jade]

It's because they imitated Deana as speaking with an Indian accent when she doesn't have one.

Her accent is clearly brummie, therfore their impersonation was racially motivated.

[Amy Jade]

It's because they imitated Deana as speaking with an Indian accent when she doesn't have one.

Her accent is clearly brummie, therfore their impersonation was racially motivated.

[Livia]

It's about intent and their intention was clearly to insult. I can't see how anyone can argue with that.

[coolface]

she does have a slight bit of indian in her accent but obviously not full on internet service providings, it's mostly brummie but occasionally when she says certain things you can hear a slight indian accent come through, it's common for a lot of south asians from the midlands

[Joe.]

Thing is- if Scott said that back in 2007 in BB8 he'd be removed quicker than ever.

[Amy Jade]

she does have a slight bit of indian in her accent but obviously not full on internet service providings, it's mostly brummie but occasionally when she says certain things you can hear a slight indian accent come through, it's common for a lot of south asians from the midlands
Ok, that's fine - I don't hear it but let's say she does have an indian accent.

Does that mean it's ok for Ashleigh and Scott to make fun of her for that?

[Marmalite]

I agree - what they said was insulting. They weren't mocking her accent - they were insulting her culture and everyone else of the same culture.

That warning by BB was well deserved. Quite how they needed to be told and couldn't figure something out like that themselves is beyond me!

[sampvt]

The warning was for something they said about her eating with her hands not anything else about accents. O M G what a crock of sh.t

[Livia]

I respectfully suggest that the ease with which some people accept casual racism on here may be a generational thing.

[InOne]

It was very ignorant, but not sure about racist. The tone was clearly mocking though, they probably deserved a warning

[chuff me dizzy]

chuff me dizzy and sampvt can you go away and never come back

Naah !! i dont think so ,my opinion is as valid as yours or anyone elses

[ChristmasNeeve]

It was very ignorant, but not sure about racist. The tone was clearly mocking though, they probably deserved a warning

Yeah and BB did say stereotyping rather than racism which is pretty accurate

[realitytvsux]

It's about intent and their intention was clearly to insult. I can't see how anyone can argue with that.



You are absolutely right. it is always about intention. I have an 'accent' and sometimes English people have imitated it. Sometimes it hasn't bothered me in the slightest as it was done in a friendly way, other times it made me really angry as the intention was clearly to insult. it sounds like the intention in this instance was to be nasty in which case it should be dealt with as such.

[chuff me dizzy]

Ok, that's fine - I don't hear it but let's say she does have an indian accent.

Does that mean it's ok for Ashleigh and Scott to make fun of her for that?

You seem to have forgotten Deana took the piss out of Conors accent :bored:

[chuff me dizzy]

You are absolutely right. it is always about intention. I have an 'accent' and sometimes English people have imitated it. Sometimes it hasn't bothered me in the slightest as it was done in a friendly way, other times it made me really angry as the intention was clearly to insult. it sounds like the intention in this instance was to be nasty in which case it should be dealt with as such.

So English people are racist against you ?

[Jords]

People defending what they said, tut tut! Sure they wernt being racist, but as people have said they were being steretypical which could cause offence to the public and their aim was to offend Deana.

I find it a bit uncomfortable the extent Deana-haters are going now.

[Jords]

People defending what they said, tut tut! Sure they wernt being racist, but as people have said they were being steretypical which could cause offence to the public and their aim was to offend Deana.

I find it a bit uncomfortable the extent Deana-haters are going now.

[realitytvsux]

I would say the instances are pretty rare but they have occurred. You can find racist people in every country. In my experience they are usually racist against everybody who isn't one of 'them' though sometimes they are selective and hate only certain races

[Black Dagger]

You seem to have forgotten Deana took the piss out of Conors accent :bored:

I wondered where you got off to, Chuff.

Erm, she didn't, he was mumbling and in return she mumbled... but yeah, whatever.

[MrWong]

You seem to have forgotten Deana took the piss out of Conors accent :bored:

Nope. That's your twisted interpretation.

She took the piss of his mumbling. There was no hint of an Irish accent.

[Marmalite]

The warning was for something they said about her eating with her hands not anything else about accents. O M G what a crock of sh.t


Well I disagree.

They weren't sitting around discussing eating tools and habits of various cultures in an educational way. Ashleigh was once again putting an HM down which resulted in them mocking Deana and her habits and Scott brought her culture into it and they made a joke out of it. That in my eyes was below the belt and not at all amusing - it was shallow, childish and ignorant and if they couldn't see that for themselves then they seriously need to wake up and grow up!

Look I'm not a fan of Deana's and there are some people I would rather see win far more than I would like to see her walk out with the BB prize but come on, there is absolutely no reason to insult a person or their culture just to get a laugh and make yourself feel better than that person.

[chuff me dizzy]

I wondered where you got off to, Chuff.

Erm, she didn't, he was mumbling and in return she mumbled... but yeah, whatever.

WRONG !! :idc:

[Doogle]

I don't get it... people moan when they get warnings to stop them doing it... but if they continued doing it Ofcom would get involved and then everyone'd be moaning more.

Just what

[MatthewS]

The only thing I find uncomfortable over the last few days is how politically correct big brother is trying to be.

We watch the show because its suppose to depict the personalities and interactions of a group of strangers. Over the course of the series, people will get into fights, have falling outs, and say stupid things. Sometimes those things might be rude and nasty. Life is rude and nasty sometimes, its the reality. That's why we watch, for the drama, for the arguments, for the random slag offs. If it was 12 friends sitting around the campfire every night roasting marshmallows and having a friendly chat, nobody would care. Scott made a bit on an ignorant comment. Breaking News, some people are ignorant, or say things without thinking them through sometimes. That's the beauty of BB, we get to see it.

I wish the housemates this year were as opinionated and sure of themselves as Marcus was, so they could tell BB to ****** off.

[Black Dagger]

WRONG !! :idc:

Whatever, Chuff. :idc:

[joeysteele]

The only thing I find uncomfortable over the last few days is how politically correct big brother is trying to be.

We watch the show because its suppose to depict the personalities and interactions of a group of strangers. Over the course of the series, people will get into fights, have falling outs, and say stupid things. Sometimes they might say rude things. That's why we watch. If it was 12 friends sitting around the campfire every night roasting marshmallows and having a friendly chat, nobody would watch. Scott made a bit on an ignorant comment. Breaking News, some people are ignorant, or say things without thinking them through sometimes, and we get to watch it. That's the beauty of BB.

I wish the housemates this year were as opinionated and sure of themselves as Marcus was, so they could tell BB to ****** off.

Really well said, all correct too.

[WozMan]

WRONG !! :idc:

Hi Chuff. What exactly did Deana say to Conor?

On a general note if people are getting warnings for being nasty how has Sack of Potatoes not gotten a warning for calling Lauren wooden spoon?

[cassieparis]

The only thing I find uncomfortable over the last few days is how politically correct big brother is trying to be.

We watch the show because its suppose to depict the personalities and interactions of a group of strangers. Over the course of the series, people will get into fights, have falling outs, and say stupid things. Sometimes those things might be rude and nasty. Life is rude and nasty sometimes, its the reality. That's why we watch, for the drama, for the arguments, for the random slag offs. If it was 12 friends sitting around the campfire every night roasting marshmallows and having a friendly chat, nobody would care. Scott made a bit on an ignorant comment. Breaking News, some people are ignorant, or say things without thinking them through sometimes. That's the beauty of BB, we get to see it.

I wish the housemates this year were as opinionated and sure of themselves as Marcus was, so they could tell BB to ****** off.

PC saves lives. It's a slippery slope otherwise.
Pointing out irrelevant differences today.
Name calling tomorrow.
Kosovo next year.
Human history tells that story. Have a look.

[shazur]

Ashley looks ill and proved that she is not only sick and frail by health but mentally too!!!

[lostalex]

PC saves lives. It's a slippery slope otherwise.
Pointing out irrelevant differences today.
Name calling tomorrow.
Kosovo next year.
Human history tells that story. Have a look.

it was politically correct to not say anything bad about the communist party, or mein fuhrer, too.

Would you rather racists, homophobes, sexists etc.. just hid in the shadows? or would you rather they spoke up and you knew who they are so you can challenge their ideas??

The more you talk about it, the better it gets. that's my opinion.

Most bigotry is based on ignorance, you can't cure ignorance with silence.

It's like back in school when the teacher told you "there are no stupid questions".

[MatthewS]

PC saves lives. It's a slippery slope otherwise.
Pointing out irrelevant differences today.
Name calling tomorrow.
Kosovo next year.
Human history tells that story. Have a look.

You're having a laugh here, surely....

Their is a difference between petty name calling and stereotyping for a laugh, and mass genocide. I'd like to think the majority of BB viewers can tell the difference.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The only thing I find uncomfortable over the last few days is how politically correct big brother is trying to be.

We watch the show because its suppose to depict the personalities and interactions of a group of strangers. Over the course of the series, people will get into fights, have falling outs, and say stupid things. Sometimes those things might be rude and nasty. Life is rude and nasty sometimes, its the reality. That's why we watch, for the drama, for the arguments, for the random slag offs. If it was 12 friends sitting around the campfire every night roasting marshmallows and having a friendly chat, nobody would care. Scott made a bit on an ignorant comment. Breaking News, some people are ignorant, or say things without thinking them through sometimes. That's the beauty of BB, we get to see it.

I wish the housemates this year were as opinionated and sure of themselves as Marcus was, so they could tell BB to ****** off.

You seem to have forgotten that it's a TV show and viewers take offence from these things

C5 are just trying to protect their reputation and don't want **** loads of complaints from ofcom

Hasn't race row taught you anything?

[Indy]

I do find it interesting when I ask how on earth people can be comfortable living in a country that arrests people for Twitter comments, I'm told it's for the public good, and how dare I suggest people be allowed to say what they want on Twitter. Yet, when someone is told "no, no, bad" on a tv show for making offensive comments, it's the end of the world?

I'm finding the logic here lacking.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Can I just say I'm Asian and we do not eat cereal with our hands
So it's not a goddamn 'cultural thing'

[MatthewS]

You seem to have forgotten that it's a TV show and viewers take offence from these things

C5 are just trying to protect their reputation and don't want **** loads of complaints from ofcom

Hasn't race row taught you anything?

What's race row?

I get that BB doesn't want loads of complaints to ofcom, but isn't that just part of the course when you're making a reality TV show documenting how complete strangers interaact over a few months? People are going to say stupid things, its not a reflection of Big Brother, they aren't reading scrips. If conor makes a stupid comment, then conor makes a stupid comment, its not Big Brothers fault. They can choose not to show it if they don't think its appropriate. But then, what's the point of the show. We watch BB because of these kinds of things. We want to see the good, the bad and the ugly. If BB keep stepping in and manipulating how the housemates would act naturually, then they'll just alienate their entire audience, because that's not the point of the show. Also, people complain to ofcom because they can, not because its necesarily valid. If I'm in the Mall and I hear some random kid say something inappropriate, I don't run to the mall management and file a formal complaint. It's part of life. Sometimes people say or do stupid things.

[the truth]

People defending what they said, tut tut! Sure they wernt being racist, but as people have said they were being steretypical which could cause offence to the public and their aim was to offend Deana.

I find it a bit uncomfortable the extent Deana-haters are going now.

i sort of agree it was the context. however what if one of them had spoken to deana direct and said do you mind not handling the food?

[Bojangles]

The warning was for something they said about her eating with her hands not anything else about accents. O M G what a crock of sh.t


Exactly.We only started using cutlery in the 11 century,then it was only used by Kings etc, not the ordinary man.
Many cultures still eat with their hands ,we do too when we eat a sandwich,fish, chips and a packet of crisps.

[Bojangles]

Actually it was the 13th century we started using cutlery.

[Me. I Am Salman]

What's race row?

I get that BB doesn't want loads of complaints to ofcom, but isn't that just part of the course when you're making a reality TV show documenting how complete strangers interaact over a few months? People are going to say stupid things, its not a reflection of Big Brother, they aren't reading scrips. If conor makes a stupid comment, then conor makes a stupid comment, its not Big Brothers fault. They can choose not to show it if they don't think its appropriate. But then, what's the point of the show. We watch BB because of these kinds of things. We want to see the good, the bad and the ugly. If BB keep stepping in and manipulating how the housemates would act naturually, then they'll just alienate their entire audience, because that's not the point of the show. Also, people complain to ofcom because they can, not because its necesarily valid. If I'm in the Mall and I hear some random kid say something inappropriate, I don't run to the mall management and file a formal complaint. It's part of life. Sometimes people say or do stupid things.

Yes I understand where you're coming from but my point is, most of the public wont see it from that view so it would be a disaster

[ElProximo]

PC saves lives. It's a slippery slope otherwise.
Pointing out irrelevant differences today.
Name calling tomorrow.
Kosovo next year.
Human history tells that story. Have a look.

PC in the former-Yugoslavia is EXACTLY WHAT IS MOST OFTEN BLAMED FOR THE HATRED!

The Yugoslavia model (which really IS a huge influence on our PC culture) and was used as a 'model' as a 'success model' FAILED.

Yes, it was once used by left-wing liberal types like you to 'prove how it can work'.
Society and even government rulings, laws and things like arresting teenagers for making racist comments in public were used to make it 'Incorrect'.
See what a Utopia this created? SEEEEE... you ****ing right-wing 'capitalist' people?
SEEE how employing 'Big Brother' thinkspeak control had all the Serbs, Croats, Muslims, Orthodox, Catholic... SEE!

Well, this is exactly what built up horrific tensions.. and btw.. ones that were NOT NATURALLY CHALLENGED,
and,
were NOT actually ALLOWED to play out,
and,
Keep in mind - those harbouring racist ideas, resentments and opinions actually 'Win'.
What?
Yes, they actually 'win' because they were never actually allowed to be brought up and challenged, debated, corrected, rebuked, smashed and dismantled.

I can tell you this - I work with 'Former-Yugos' all day and all night. Amazingly, our company has everyone from Muslim Serbs, Orthodox.. a former army guy too.
They ALL AGREE and will ALL explain why 'Political Correctness' and enforced 'Think Speak', Government regulated 'racial unity/integration' and everything you are touting was...
...EXACTLY WHAT FUELED SPARKED AND INFLAMED MASSIVE RACIAL HATRED AND ETHNIC CLEANSING AND HORRORS.

If we went by your advise = some of the worst race-riots, racist 'backlash' and who knows.. maybe parts of London will look like Kosovo...
.....oh wait. Yes that is happening.

[cassieparis]

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The more you talk about it, the better it gets. that's my opinion.

Most bigotry is based on ignorance, you can't cure ignorance with silence.

It's like back in school when the teacher told you "there are no stupid questions".

I think the spotlight should always be pointed directly on to the bigot.
It is those that want it to go unchallenged on a Tv programme to whom I point out the slippery slope. There are a lot of cries of enjoyment being interrupted when bigotry is challenged by BB. As if it is of little consequence. Just pointing out those consequences.
It starts with little things like pointing out differences with contempt and disgust. Then eventually we're all different and living in Dystopia.

[cassieparis]

You're having a laugh here, surely....

Their is a difference between petty name calling and stereotyping for a laugh, and mass genocide. I'd like to think the majority of BB viewers can tell the difference.

You think? :nono:
Many teenagers kill themselves every year all over the world because they're called gay and the negative nasty vile way in which that small small word is use.

[cassieparis]

PC in the former-Yugoslavia is EXACTLY WHAT IS MOST OFTEN BLAMED FOR THE HATRED!

The Yugoslavia model (which really IS a huge influence on our PC culture) and was used as a 'model' as a 'success model' FAIL

...EXACTLY WHAT FUELED SPARKED AND INFLAMED MASSIVE RACIAL HATRED AND ETHNIC CLEANSING AND HORRORS.

If we went by your advise = some of the worst race-riots, racist 'backlash' and who knows.. maybe parts of London will look like Kosovo...
.....oh wait. Yes that is happening.

I found a lot of your post hard to follow but I do sense passion. Passion for an opposite point of view to that my own on Political Correctness.

I think we have perhaps an opposing understanding of the term. Which has more to do with acceptance and inclusion at best and tolerance at worst. IMO
You also made a lot of assumptions about my views in general. :conf:
Unchallenged bigotry leads to concentration camps and death. PC is a great challenge to such ignorant and foolish behaviour. I prefer it.

[optimisticcynic]

The only thing I find uncomfortable over the last few days is how politically correct big brother is trying to be.

We watch the show because its suppose to depict the personalities and interactions of a group of strangers. Over the course of the series, people will get into fights, have falling outs, and say stupid things. Sometimes those things might be rude and nasty. Life is rude and nasty sometimes, its the reality. That's why we watch, for the drama, for the arguments, for the random slag offs. If it was 12 friends sitting around the campfire every night roasting marshmallows and having a friendly chat, nobody would care. Scott made a bit on an ignorant comment. Breaking News, some people are ignorant, or say things without thinking them through sometimes. That's the beauty of BB, we get to see it.

I wish the housemates this year were as opinionated and sure of themselves as Marcus was, so they could tell BB to ****** off.

It is a reality TV show and not everyone will conform to socially accepted norms. This does reflect real life. However, when behaviour is unacceptable are you demanding that BB idly stand by as there are idiots in the outside world as well? There's also illicit substance misuse, domestic violence, hate crime, sexual assault and murder. Were these to be realistically reflected in the house, would that also be good reality TV and should BB alsv stay out of it? Noone is saying don't speak about the issue of bigotry. I'm pretty sure that us what BB is doing when the issue arises.
As for those claiming that political correctness is at the root of genocide, I am sure that prejudice is a key factor. However, attempts to address prejudice are often ignored by stubborn, pig-headed replies of "you're being too sensitive", "you're being too PC", and "you make it so people can't have a laugh anymore". When people have been enslaved, hunted and killed, dehumanised and have had to fight to gain the equality they deserve, they will be sensitive, and justifiably so. Who are you to decide that due to your vast life experience "all that doesn't matter now" and sweep it under the carpet?

[rsefitpro2011]

Big Brother are covering their backs, they dont want another Jade-Shilpa scenario, not that its going to be one of those situations!

They were right to bring Scott and Ashleigh into the diary room over their behaviours!, warning them was the right thing to do!. My only problem with BB is that Conor said worse than those two and he is still in the house?.

[Kizzy]

It had nothing to do with accents, it was simply commenting on how she ate, she lives in india and they do eat with their fingers...
BB were a little jumpy, maybe they sounded as if they were mocking, but thats it.

I'm with those who find conor and carolines systematic abuse much more offensive.

[ChristmasNeeve]

It had nothing to do with accents, it was simply commenting on how she ate, she lives in india and they do eat with their fingers...
BB were a little jumpy, maybe they sounded as if they were mocking, but thats it.

I'm with those who find conor and carolines systematic abuse much more offensive.

I think it's possible that we didn't see the full lot of what went on. It's one thing to comment on how a certain culture eats but it's quite another to act disgusted because of it.

[JamesBond]

I don't think anyone eats cereal with their fingers, just like I wouldn't expect Chinese people to eat cereal with chopsticks.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I don't think anyone eats cereal with their fingers, just like I wouldn't expect Chinese people to eat cereal with chopsticks.

Yeah, didn't BB say during Ashleighs warning, that bullying includes making up lies about people?

[Tym]

I think it's possible that we didn't see the full lot of what went on. It's one thing to comment on how a certain culture eats but it's quite another to act disgusted because of it.

I don't think he could've appeared more upper class snob than if he tried:P
I think it was the pure disdain more than anything. And the stereotyping, and the fact he didn't give a damn really annoyed me.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I don't think anyone eats cereal with their fingers, just like I wouldn't expect Chinese people to eat cereal with chopsticks.

omg this :worship:

[Kizzy]

Yeah, didn't BB say during Ashleighs warning, that bullying includes making up lies about people?

So did she not eat cereal with her fingers then? it did seem a bit odd...
I have a thing about touching soggy food (cringe)

[Livia]

I don't think he could've appeared more upper class snob than if he tried:P
I think it was the pure disdain more than anything. And the stereotyping, and the fact he didn't give a damn really annoyed me.

And yet... Doesn't Scott come from a working class family and has cultivated his ridiculous accent (sadly for him without acquainting himself fully with the rules of grammar) to make himself seem more interesting? And he has the bloody cheek to ridicule someone else?