Should there be a Politics section?

[InOne]

The Political news stories clogging up serious debates is quite annoying now. And they're never debates anyway, it just ends up the same old members sniping at eachother and page after page of endless rambles. I think you should either make it just SD again or give them a Politics section.


Cheers

[Smithy]

maybe a subforum in serious debates? idk if it'd get used that much tho

[InOne]

As long as it keeps them out of SD it wouldn't matter.

[joeysteele]

Well, to me politics is all about life,the people we elect to represent us, the people who make our laws and do things that affect most of what we strive for and do in life,
I can't think of much that is more serious to debate than that really.

I, because of my strong interest as to politics though wouldn't mind in the least a politics section.

[InOne]

Well, to me politics is all about life,the people we elect to represent us, the people who make our laws and do things that affect most of what we strive for and do in life,
I can't think of much that is more serious to debate than that really.

I, because of my strong interest as to politics though wouldn't mind in the least a politics section.

I get what you mean but it just ends up the same old stuff rehashed, that's what I was on about.

[Shaun]

the same old members sniping at eachother and page after page of endless rambles.

Hi, welcome to TiBB.

[joeysteele]

I get what you mean but it just ends up the same old stuff rehashed, that's what I was on about.

Sadly,that is part of politics too, I agree with you though, I wouldn't mind one bit having a separate Politics section.

[Ryan.]

Hi, welcome to TiBB.

:laugh3:

[King Gizzard]

Alot of serious debates are politically motivated though

plus alot of debates have been worn out coughreligioncough, so without the politics the place would be empty

[Kizzy]

Why shouldn't political discussions be in SD?
And so what who debates them? If you don't like it start a thread or post on whatever you do like joe.
Why has it only started to bug you today? I wasn't aware there had been any political discussion..
.

[InOne]

Why shouldn't political discussions be in SD?
And so what who debates them? If you don't like it start a thread or post on whatever you do like joe.
Why has it only started to bug you today? I wasn't aware there had been any political discussion..
.

This answer doesn't suprise me :idc:

And it's bugged me for ages.

[Kizzy]

This answer doesn't suprise me :idc:

And it's bugged me for ages.

Why :conf: whats wrong?
there hasn't even been any political debate in serious issues for a bit anyway, are you missing the drama?

[InOne]

Why :conf: whats wrong?
there hasn't even been any political debate in serious issues for a bit anyway, are you missing the drama?

Nothing is wrong.

[Kizzy]

Oh, I thought you wanted to draw something out of the people who do like to debate political issues? No, you are just having a moan thats fine moan away its great :)

[InOne]

I am moaning, cos it's annoying :nono:

[Kizzy]

I am moaning, cos it's annoying :nono:

What is?... You are not making a lot of sense joe, like joey said politics plays an important part of SD and there will always be conflicting opinions on it.
You ramble on about what you like and I will ramble on about what I like, then we will both be happy eh?

[InOne]

What is?... You are not making a lot of sense joe, like joey said politics plays an important part of SD and there will always be conflicting opinions on it.
You ramble on about what you like and I will ramble on about what I like, then we will both be happy eh?

Yeah but it used to be better when it was SD. Maybe they should just make a News and Politics forum, would be much better.

[Redway]

One thing that absolutely should not be there, though, is News Stories merged with serious debates.

The two are completely unrelated topics and I don't see why they should be lumped together.

Either create more sub-forums or bin the whole thing altogether like. No political threads, that would be swell. :idc:

[Lee.]

Although I don't really discuss my politics on here, I do think such discussions are apt for "serious debates"

So no, I don't think we need a politics section.

[Kizzy]

Yeah but it used to be better when it was SD. Maybe they should just make a News and Politics forum, would be much better.

Can you give me an example of something that we could have a serious debate about that has nothing to do with a news topic or a political issue?

[InOne]

Can you give me an example of something that we could have a serious debate about that has nothing to do with a news topic or a political issue?

Go back in the section, you'll see plenty of things.

[Kizzy]

Go back in the section, you'll see plenty of things.

Go back how far? It's all news, current affairs and political topics....

[InOne]

Go back how far? It's all news, current affairs and political topics....

As far as you want, it wasn't always that. Also don't you agree that most of the 'debates' end up in sniping sessions with the same few members?

[Kizzy]

As far as you want, it wasn't always that. Also don't you agree that most of the 'debates' end up in sniping sessions with the same few members?

Do you mean me?...Just say if so joe.
I do not snipe.
This is not going to end well so i'm just going to say I like it the way it is and leave it like that ok?

[Vicky.]

Alot of serious debates are politically motivated though

plus alot of debates have been worn out coughreligioncough, so without the politics the place would be empty

This.

[Livia]

I agree with InOne. Politics doesn't get debated on here anymore, not in the true sense of the word 'debate'. It turns into mud-slinging, insults, digs and personal party-political crusades. So yes, politics should be separate... and there was a time I never thought I would hear myself say that.

[InOne]

Do you mean me?...Just say if so joe.
I do not snipe.
This is not going to end well so i'm just going to say I like it the way it is and leave it like that ok?

I'm not naming names. Yes I know it's not going to end well so just accept I'm right and move on :idc:

[InOne]

I agree with InOne. Politics doesn't get debated on here anymore, not in the true sense of the word 'debate'. It turns into mud-slinging, insults, digs and personal party-political crusades. So yes, politics should be separate... and there was a time I never thought I would hear myself say that.

Sense at last!

[Kizzy]

I'm not naming names. Yes I know it's not going to end well so just accept I'm right and move on :idc:

No, I thought this was leading somewhere and now it appears I am correct...
I will have my say on the topics in the serious debates section regardless of topic, be it political or not.
Politics would be debated easily if members accepted that other people have the right to challenge without scoffing at alternate views to their own.

[InOne]

No, I thought this was leading somewhere and now it appears I am correct...
I will have my say on the topics in the serious debates section regardless of topic, be it political or not.
Politics would be debated easily if members accepted that other people have the right to challenge without scoffing at alternate views to their own.

Which is exactly why it should have it's own forum and not clog up SD with all that nonsense. News stories needs to be unmerged too.

[Kizzy]

Sense at last!

You know, if I didn't know better I would think this whole thread had been orchestrated... :)

[Vicky.]

I do agree that news stories should be unmerged. It causes some problems when we get things like 'this cat can use a toaster' etc in with more serious discussions. Gets annoying moving them all :laugh:

[InOne]

You know, if I didn't know better I would think this whole thread had been orchestrated... :)

Erm, what?

[InOne]

I do agree that news stories should be unmerged. It causes some problems when we get things like 'this cat can use a toaster' etc in with more serious discussions. Gets annoying moving them all :laugh:

Well I've heard you have a strong influence in the towers. Get it sorted woman :nono:

[Vicky.]

Well I've heard you have a strong influence in the towers. Get it sorted woman :nono:

I've tried, believe me :laugh:

Admin say that if we have seperate SD/news then sometimes we end up with 2 threads discussing the same thing but in different forums.

[InOne]

I've tried, believe me :laugh:

Admin say that if we have seperate SD/news then sometimes we end up with 2 threads discussing the same thing but in different forums.

Yeah but that didn't happen before did it? News was just a bit dead.

[Vicky.]

Yeah but that didn't happen before did it? News was just a bit dead.

It did a bit, but not enough to merge the two, in my opinion anyway

[InOne]

It did a bit, but not enough to merge the two, in my opinion anyway

Yeah definitely not. Used to be a good section but it's **** now :(

[Kizzy]

Erm, what?

put your rod away joe, I have said all I am going to.
You think there is sniping in the political debates on here...Yes there is I agree, thats all you get from me on that score mate night.

[InOne]

put your rod away joe, I have said all I am going to.
You think there is sniping in the political debates on here...Yes there is I agree, thats all you get from me on that score mate night.

ok kizzy.

[Pyramid*]

I'm with InOne on this and understand why he's got the view he has and he's does raise a few vaild points why he's suggested it.

I guess the sticking point is probably due to the limited amount of members on Tibb that contribute to the SD section - far less Politics discussions / debates - and that isn't viewed as warranting a sub section.

Personally I'd welcome a seperate one though.

[Pyramid*]

One thing that absolutely should not be there, though, is News Stories merged with serious debates.

The two are completely unrelated topics and I don't see why they should be lumped together.

Either create more sub-forums or bin the whole thing altogether like. No political threads, that would be swell. :idc:

Do you regard a News Story about (for example) a thug breaking into a house and being commended for this behaviour by a judge for his actions ''taking courage'' and being let off...as not a serious topic?

The type of news story will determine how 'serious' it is - what some regard as serious - others wont. You can't please all the people all of the time. Common sense prevails......

Politics is a huge part of life -whether interested in it or not - to suggest there should be no Political threads at all is bizarre.

[Kizzy]

Hypothetically if it was separate what difference would it make?
People would still post their opinions, and those who had differing political views would clash just the same.
I start threads in serious debates, on loads of subjects,from school dinners to the clothing manufacturing industry in the UK.....
Nobody cares, the threads are either hijacked or fade into the ether.
If I debate a point that does not fit with the majority I have been called a troll and accused of sniping many times.

Fact is, even if they were separate the most serious debate on here today from what I can see Is what lee had for tea :)

[fruit_cake]

I personally prefer the 'can men and women ever be friends' social type of debate to the long drawn out political ones that require endless detailed facts about political issues, but it's just personal choice. I understand some like the more in-depth political or legal type discussion and that's fine with me. For pure ease of finding particular debates it would probably be easier to have two seperate sections though, in that part I agree.

If anything the threads that irritate me the most are the name dropping/arse licking threads.

[Kizzy]

Do you regard a News Story about (for example) a thug breaking into a house and being commended for this behaviour by a judge for his actions ''taking courage'' and being let off...as not a serious topic?

The type of news story will determine how 'serious' it is - what some regard as serious - others wont. You can't please all the people all of the time. Common sense prevails......

Politics is a huge part of life -whether interested in it or not - to suggest there should be no Political threads at all is bizarre.

I agree, some news stories are lighthearted and some have deeper social or political connotations.
It is up to you which you comment on and why, and seeing as the country is going through a series of fundamental changes there will be lots of stories with a political edge.

[Kizzy]

I personally prefer the 'can men and women ever be friends' social type of debate to the long drawn out political ones that require endless detailed facts about political issues, but it's just personal choice. I understand some like the more in-depth political or legal type discussion and that's fine with me. For pure ease of finding particular debates it would probably be easier to have two seperate sections though, in that part I agree.

If anything the threads that irritate me the most are the name dropping/arse licking threads.

I agree at least during those debates you are not challenged quite so brutally for your view, or asked to provide reliable documented information to prove your point :joker:

[Benjamin]

I agree News Stories should be divided again, but I think Politics should remain in serious debates, but maybe as a sub-forum.

[Pyramid*]

I personally prefer the 'can men and women ever be friends' social type of debate to the long drawn out political ones that require endless detailed facts about political issues, but it's just personal choice. I understand some like the more in-depth political or legal type discussion and that's fine with me. For pure ease of finding particular debates it would probably be easier to have two seperate sections though, in that part I agree.

If anything the threads that irritate me the most are the name dropping/arse licking threads.

One of the things I enjoy about some political topics, even though I'm not personally interested in any real in-depth way as others are; is reading some very well thought out, well balanced, interesting and informative posts from those who do debate well and do enter into the spirit of such discussions in the manner in which they are intended - even if not in agreeance, but with good points being made from 'all sides'. Unfortunately, this increasingly is becoming a rarity.

[Kizzy]

One of the things I enjoy about some political topics, even though I'm not personally interested in any real in-depth way as others are; is reading some very well thought out, well balanced, interesting and informative posts from those who do debate well and do enter into the spirit of such discussions in the manner in which they are intended - even if not in agreeance, but with good points being made from 'all sides'. Unfortunately, this increasingly is becoming a rarity.

You can say that again, there is not a political issue on here where some have not shouted down, belittled, berated,sneered, patronised and used both their longevity and or popularity to mask their condescension.
No matter, as long as you are true to yourself and your beliefs then that is all you can do.
We are not experts or oracles, we can only give our view and opinions based on what we see and hear.
Like you say whatever side of the fence you are on it is important to remain respectful and accepting of the fact we hold differing opinions.

[Livia]

I agree News Stories should be divided again, but I think Politics should remain in serious debates, but maybe as a sub-forum.

A sub-forum would be good. Perhaps entitled "political arguments" because that's what they inevitably become. And it's a bore.

[Kizzy]

They do when you can't accept an alternate opinion yes, maybe its something that needs to be worked on?
I get quite passionate on certain issues in the media, if some find my posts or comments boring then don't reply or quote me simple as...
Or alternatively give me my own sub forum and I will happily rant away to myself...:joker:

[fruit_cake]

They do when you can't accept an alternate opinion yes, maybe its something that needs to be worked on?
I get quite passionate on certain issues in the media, if some find my posts or comments boring then don't reply or quote me simple as...
Or alternatively give me my own sub forum and I will happily rant away to myself...:joker:

:joker:

[Kizzy]

:joker:

Never let it be said that I take myself too seriously fruity :wink:

[lostalex]

I don't think it should be separate. All SERIOUS STORIES are political anyway. If it's something serious then politics and government are going to be involved. I think it's just going to create a lot more confusion about what is "serious debate" and what is "political". The current system is working just fine imo. If we were going to split the forum, then i tink it would be better to split it into a WORLD Serious Debates section, and a UK Only Politics section qwhere you just talk about UK politicians.

[InOne]

I don't think it should be separate. All SERIOUS STORIES are political anyway. If it's something serious then politics and government are going to be involved. I think it's just going to create a lot more confusion about what is "serious debate" and what is "political"

No.

[lostalex]

No.

name a serious debate story that's not political in any way then...

[Kizzy]

I don't think it should be separate. All SERIOUS STORIES are political anyway. If it's something serious then politics and government are going to be involved. I think it's just going to create a lot more confusion about what is "serious debate" and what is "political"

Like fruitcake said, some serious debates like 'can men and women ever be friends?' has no basis in news or politics but is caught up in the news and serious debates section.
I don't have a problem with it myself, but others seem to have an issue with it.

[InOne]

name a serious debate story that's not political in any way then...

It's not serious debate stories it's just serious debates.

[Redway]

Do you regard a News Story about (for example) a thug breaking into a house and being commended for this behaviour by a judge for his actions ''taking courage'' and being let off...as not a serious topic?

The type of news story will determine how 'serious' it is - what some regard as serious - others wont. You can't please all the people all of the time. Common sense prevails......

Politics is a huge part of life -whether interested in it or not - to suggest there should be no Political threads at all is bizarre.
Yes, but what about all those times where you have the sub-forum filled with "5-year-old gets A* at GCSE Maths"? Should these also get classified as Serious Debates?

Balances itself out so instead of having a section with a mix of both serious debates and trivia it would be better to have separate sub-forums.

[Kizzy]

Yes, but what about all those times where you have the sub-forum filled with "5-year-old gets A* at GCSE Maths"? Should these also get classified as Serious Debates?

Balances itself out so instead of having a section with a mix of both serious debates and trivia it would be better to have separate sub-forums.

Yes...It is a serious debate, is the kid a prodigy, or are they right GCSE's are far too easy :)
It is a political issue too, due to the education reforms....
You just can't get away from it can you?...:joker:

[InOne]

Some people just don't get it :bored:

[Kizzy]

Some people just don't get it :bored:

some people should stop fishing....
http://www.online-sign.com/signs/prohibition/thumbs/264.jpg

[InOne]

Some people should get a new line.

[Kizzy]

You should get a new fishing line....

[Redway]

Yes...It is a serious debate, is the kid a prodigy, or are they right GCSE's are far too easy :)
It is a political issue too, due to the education reforms....
You just can't get away from it can you?...:joker:
In the world's current economic condition, there's obviously debate about politics but if you take a look at the Serious Debates and News section about 99.999999...% of the posts there are political. If there are that many threads on the same topic would you not just give it a separate board to continue so we can have a variety of other topics discussed ... which is primarily what the section was made for?

[billy123]

It is fine as it is Serious debate,News and politics are one and the same if you dont like the topic dont reply its simple.

[Kizzy]

In the world's current economic condition, there's obviously debate about politics but if you take a look at the Serious Debates and News section about 99.999999...% of the posts there are political. If there are that many threads on the same topic would you not just give it a separate board to continue so we can have a variety of other topics discussed ... which is primarily what the section was made for?

Lots of things are in the news, I wouldn't say that high percentage are political to be fair.
Who else starts political debates?...Hardly anyone, most are happy to chat shiz all day.
Why are people so fixated on SD all of a sudden?
When was the last time you created a thread in there?

Had to be yesterday didn't it!!! ffs ....:)

[InOne]

You should get a new fishing line....

You should realise the world isn't against you

[Kizzy]

You should realise the world isn't against you

:idc: Thanks for that.

[Redway]

It is fine as it Serious debate,News and politics are one and the same if you dont like the topic dont reply its simple.

Why not? This is an open forum and people are more than free to comment on threads even if their opinions don't fall under the banner of 'positive'.

[billy123]

Why not? This is an open forum and people are more than free to comment on threads even if their opinions don't fall under the banner of 'positive'.If you dont like the topic dont respond to it if you have a topic that you want to talk about start it and debate it.
It isnt compicated.
InOne with all due respect you have no right to complain if you dont contribute.

[Redway]

If you dont like the topic dont respond to it if you have a topic that you want to talk about start it and debate it.
It isnt compicated.
InOne with all due respect you have no right to complain if you dont contribute.
If you don't like the topic you of course do have the option of voicing your views on it. The sole existence of these internet forums is for people to say what they want and voice any views they have - whether you like them or not.

This stupid teenage notion that states that you have to have positive views on a topic before commenting on it is a load of bollocks and completely misses the whole point of ... erm ... opinions.

Bottom line is you can't tell someone not to comment on a particular thread just because you don't like their views.

It's that simple.

[billy123]

If you don't like the topic you of course do have the option of voicing your views on it. The sole existence of these internet forums is for people to say what they want and voice any views they have - whether you like them or not.

This stupid teenage notion that states that you have to have positive views on a topic before commenting on it is a load of bollocks and completely misses the whole point of ... erm ... opinions.

Bottom line is you can't tell someone not to comment on a particular thread just because you don't like their views.

It's that simple.
ummm thats kind of just repeating what i said thanks for that redway and well done.

[InOne]

If you dont like the topic dont respond to it if you have a topic that you want to talk about start it and debate it.
It isnt compicated.
InOne with all due respect you have no right to complain if you dont contribute.

I do, not to the endless political ones though.

[Kizzy]

I do, not to the endless political ones though.

Good for you, you still haven't explained why they offend you so much.
If you don't comment in political debate why does it affect you so deeply?
I was under that impression off season that those who wanted to post other topics for debate were entitled to do so..

During this time of political and social change these threads may pop up for those who wish to dicsuss them, and they may get heated at times, if that offends you theres not a lot I can do about it.

[InOne]

When did I say they offend me? I just think they should be in different sections so it would be better if there was a news or Politics sections. Most of the Political stuff comes from a news story someone has posted anyway.


Now I can't be arsed going round in circles with you again so you can accept that answer.

[Kazanne]

Maybe if we posted some T&A pics in a politics thread a certain member would be more interested :joker:

[InOne]

Maybe if we posted some T&A pics in a politics thread a certain member would be more interested :joker:

Be quiet.

[Kazanne]

Be quiet.

:joker::joker::joker:You know it's the truth:hugesmile:

[InOne]

:joker::joker::joker:You know it's the truth:hugesmile:

Kazanne, your idea of debate is to just say "Well said Joey:xyxwave:" So I'm afraid this thread isn't for you.

[Kizzy]

When did I say they offend me? I just think they should be in different sections so it would be better if there was a news or Politics sections. Most of the Political stuff comes from a news story someone has posted anyway.


Now I can't be arsed going round in circles with you again so you can accept that answer.

Of course it does, I said that yesterday, and vicky made the point that if separated the two sub-forums would have similar threads.
I will accept your answer, and hope you accept my reaction to your OP.

[Kizzy]

Maybe if we posted some T&A pics in a politics thread a certain member would be more interested :joker:

:conf: Who kazanne?

[Kazanne]

:conf: Who kazanne?

lol,Kizzy dont tell me you haven't noticed?

[InOne]

Of course it does, I said that yesterday, and vicky made the point that if separated the two sub-forums would have similar threads.
I will accept your answer, and hope you accept my reaction to your OP.

No I don't accept them, but I won't go on about it.

[Kizzy]

No I don't accept them, but I won't go on about it.

You started a thread about it...:joker:

[Kizzy]

lol,Kizzy dont tell me you haven't noticed?

T&A?telegraph and argus?...no sorry you've lost me :conf:

[Pyramid*]

T&A?telegraph and argus?...no sorry you've lost me :conf:

Kizzy..you're smarter than that!



Tits n arse! :D

On a general note: (note: not directed at you Kizzy lest you think so).... I love the way that InOne puts up a thread - a suggestion thread - a mere suggestion - and still something so innocent leads to narky posts !

christ, the guy was only putting up a suggestion and gave his reasons for why he's making a suggestion: and so far he's been told to 'don't like it, don't post / who is this a dig / what's your problem'.

Kinda proves In One's point tbf.

[InOne]

You started a thread about it...:joker:

I meant the fact I didn't agree with you.

[Vicky.]

Kizzy..you're smarter than that!



Tits n arse! :D


Oh dear, I assumed she meant t&a the wrestling thing :laugh:

I'm behind with the times I think :p

[InOne]

Kizzy..you're smarter than that!



Tits n arse! :D

On a general note: (note: not directed at you Kizzy lest you think so).... I love the way that InOne puts up a thread - a suggestion thread - a mere suggestion - and still something so innocent leads to narky posts !

christ, the guy was only putting up a suggestion and gave his reasons for why he's making a suggestion: and so far he's been told to 'don't like it, don't post / who is this a dig / what's your problem'.

Kinda proves In One's point tbf.

I know right! I was just trying to make the forum a better place and I get all this :idc:

[fruit_cake]

I had no idea what T&A was either incidentally :pipe:

[Pyramid*]

Oh dear, I assumed she meant t&a the wrestling thing :laugh:

I'm behind with the times I think :p

LOL !!

Maybe it's the 'mammy' in you taking over!

[Pyramid*]

I had no idea what T&A was either incidentally :pipe:

damn, I really should start charging for my educational services. :joker:

[Pyramid*]

I know right! I was just trying to make the forum a better place and I get all this :idc:


hell slap it into you for making a sugggestion...you have brought all this upon yourself. :hmph:


and yes, that was tongue in cheek.

(if we have tits n arses, may as well have tongues n cheeks)

[Roy Mars III]

Yes and some members should be exiled there

[Kizzy]

Kizzy..you're smarter than that!



Tits n arse! :D

On a general note: (note: not directed at you Kizzy lest you think so).... I love the way that InOne puts up a thread - a suggestion thread - a mere suggestion - and still something so innocent leads to narky posts !

christ, the guy was only putting up a suggestion and gave his reasons for why he's making a suggestion: and so far he's been told to 'don't like it, don't post / who is this a dig / what's your problem'.

Kinda proves In One's point tbf.
From the OP..

''they're never debates anyway, it just ends up the same old members sniping at eachother and page after page of endless rambles''

Bollocks! he is having a dig, if it's not at you its me...
I would love to know what inone constitutes as a debate seeing as he thinks that those who contribute to the politics based threads are not capable of holding one?
I don't like my posts and threads on political topics refered to as 'rambles' and 'snipes' either..
Its quite a nice smokescreen thrown over this discussion, a little bit more honesty would be appreciated to exactly who has incensed him sooo much he created a thread to highlight his dislike to the whole forum...

[InOne]

From the OP..

''they're never debates anyway, it just ends up the same old members sniping at eachother and page after page of endless rambles''

Bollocks! he is having a dig, if it's not at you its me...
I would love to know what inone constitutes as a debate seeing as he thinks that those who contribute to the politics based threads are not capable of holding one?
I don't like my posts and threads on political topics refered to as 'rambles' and 'snipes' either..
Its quite a nice smokescreen thrown over this discussion, a little bit more honesty would be appreciated to exactly who has incensed him sooo much he created a thread to highlight his dislike to the whole forum...

Oh don't start all this nonsense again :bored: You seem to think it's some mass conspiracy

[Kizzy]

Oh don't start all this nonsense again :bored: You seem to think it's some mass conspiracy

No real answer there...apart from suggesting my post is nonsense.
I will tell you what I think, I don't need you to do it for me thankyou.

[InOne]

No real answer there...apart from suggesting my post is nonsense.
I will tell you what I think, I don't need you to do it for me thankyou.

I am just telling you how it is. For some reason you can't accept that.

[Kizzy]

I am just telling you how it is. For some reason you can't accept that.

I will accept it when you tell me who the 'snipers' and 'ramblers' are?
And why you don't see the posts on the politics threads as debates?

[Benjamin]

Give it a rest all of you. This isn't a debate thread nor is it a chat thread for one of you to out do the other. It's a suggestion thread. have your suggestion, suggest YOUR ideas and move on. Stop criticising.

[InOne]

I will accept it when you tell me who the 'snipers' and 'ramblers' are?
And why you don't see the posts on the politics threads as debates?

Naming names would cause chaos... You know this.

[Kizzy]

Give it a rest all of you. This isn't a debate thread nor is it a chat thread for one of you to out do the other. It's a suggestion thread. have your suggestion, suggest YOUR ideas and move on. Stop criticising.

Fair do's my suggestion is it stays as is and FM's are able to post their views and threads on any social, political or news item in the SD forum.

[InOne]

Serious Debates and a News And Politics sub forum sounds about right to me.

[Pyramid*]

From the OP..

''they're never debates anyway, it just ends up the same old members sniping at eachother and page after page of endless rambles''

Bollocks! he is having a dig, if it's not at you its me...
I would love to know what inone constitutes as a debate seeing as he thinks that those who contribute to the politics based threads are not capable of holding one?
I don't like my posts and threads on political topics refered to as 'rambles' and 'snipes' either..
Its quite a nice smokescreen thrown over this discussion, a little bit more honesty would be appreciated to exactly who has incensed him sooo much he created a thread to highlight his dislike to the whole forum...


Kizzy. He is correct - imo. It most cases, they DO result less in cut and thrust robust debate, and end up with little more than snipes - you even admitted the same thing in your earlier post a page or so back.

If InOne is going to raise that as his reason - then he's entitled to do so imo and I don't see a thing wrong with that - and I don't see why he should be 'brow beaten' as to why he has his view, especially when he has explained why.

I don't particulary give two hoots if he was referring to me - I will post where I want to regardless of who thinks what of me. I'm not that hung up about other peoples views about me, I don't lose sleep over it.

That doesn't affect my ability to be able to enter a debate / SD thread or any other for that matter - and nor will someone's opinion of me stop me - if I want to post, I will.

If you think In One is having a go about you, which you have stated a few times now : he has already told you it's not directed at you - so I'm really lost as to why you are convinced otherwise - but I'm not entirely sure this is the place to address that - because all that is doing: is indeed: proving what InOne has said.

Back to his suggestion and reasons : here's one of mine....

As an example: Omah - some things I agree with them about in SD threads - other times I could not be more opposed to them. What puts me off is Omah's tendency to offer less personal viewpoints, less of what 'they' want to say: and instead, Omah tends to copy and paste much. that's their style - and so be it - however, I'm also aware that that type of posting style, does annoy others who are able to comment using their own words.

Just as my own blunt, no nonsense, approach will annoy and rankle others.

In One has a right to his opinion - he's given it and in honesty: you do seem to be giving him a hard time for having his own voice on something that was - a suggestion.

[Pyramid*]

Give it a rest all of you. This isn't a debate thread nor is it a chat thread for one of you to out do the other. It's a suggestion thread. have your suggestion, suggest YOUR ideas and move on. Stop criticising.


sincere apols UKT. I was in midst of doing my last post there - didn't see this one of yours till I posted.

[Pyramid*]

Serious Debates and a News And Politics sub forum sounds about right to me.


See....this one I'm not so sure about.... the 'News' section doesn't guarantee that the News will be of a political nature - you'd still get the News about 18 stray dogs being crammed into a shoebox or something similar.

Politics having it's own sub-forum I think is a good idea.

[Benjamin]

sincere apols UKT. I was in midst of doing my last post there - didn't see this one of yours till I posted.

It's ok, I saw you were in the middle of replying just after I posted. :)

[InOne]

See....this one I'm not so sure about.... the 'News' section doesn't guarantee that the News will be of a political nature - you'd still get the News about 18 stray dogs being crammed into a shoebox or something similar.

Politics having it's own sub-forum I think is a good idea.

Yeah, if people stopped posting those kind of silly stories (and posted them in the right section) it probably would help too.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy. He is correct - imo. It most cases, they DO result less in cut and thrust robust debate, and end up with little more than snipes - you even admitted the same thing in your earlier post a page or so back.

If InOne is going to raise that as his reason - then he's entitled to do so imo and I don't see a thing wrong with that - and I don't see why he should be 'brow beaten' as to why he has his view, especially when he has explained why.

I don't particulary give two hoots if he was referring to me - I will post where I want to regardless of who thinks what of me. I'm not that hung up about other peoples views about me, I don't lose sleep over it.

That doesn't affect my ability to be able to enter a debate / SD thread or any other for that matter - and nor will someone's opinion of me stop me - if I want to post, I will.

If you think In One is having a go about you, which you have stated a few times now : he has already told you it's not directed at you - so I'm really lost as to why you are convinced otherwise - but I'm not entirely sure this is the place to address that - because all that is doing: is indeed: proving what InOne has said.

Back to his suggestion and reasons : here's one of mine....

As an example: Omah - some things I agree with them about in SD threads - other times I could not be more opposed to them. What puts me off is Omah's tendency to offer less personal viewpoints, less of what 'they' want to say: and instead, Omah tends to copy and paste much. that's their style - and so be it - however, I'm also aware that that type of posting style, does annoy others who are able to comment using their own words.

Just as my own blunt, no nonsense, approach will annoy and rankle others.

In One has a right to his opinion - he's given it and in honesty: you do seem to be giving him a hard time for having his own voice on something that was - a suggestion.

Yes some do not all....
Brow beaten...If he has reached a conclusion is it unfair to ask how he arrived at that?
Many threads in the SD forum cause confrontation and heated debate.
My query was why he suggested it affected the politics threads specifically?

I agree with you entirely on one issue I will continue to post my opinions also regardless of anyones objections.

[Pyramid*]

Yeah, if people stopped posting those kind of silly stories (and posted them in the right section) it probably would help too.


I think it's a hard one to call when it's classed as 'News' though.

Eg: earlier this morning, there's a story in the News about an reprobate of a man kicking and beating hell out of an old German Shepherd dog - now some may not regard that as 'Serious News'... but it is still a News story.

I think this is where the waters become muddied.

Lighthearted News vs Serious News stories ...?????

Dunno. :conf:

[InOne]

I think it's a hard one to call when it's classed as 'News' though.

Eg: earlier this morning, there's a story in the News about an reprobate of a man kicking and beating hell out of an old German Shepherd dog - now some may not regard that as 'Serious News'... but it is still a News story.

I think this is where the waters become muddied.

Lighthearted News vs Serious News stories ...?????

Dunno. :conf:

Well one would hope people could just make an educated decision and go from there.

[Shaun]

I do agree that news stories should be unmerged. It causes some problems when we get things like 'this cat can use a toaster' etc in with more serious discussions. Gets annoying moving them all :laugh:

in my experience the jokey news stories are usually posted in General Chat whereas current affairs gets put into Serious Debates & News stories

more trivial news in celeb news, and celeb deaths in their respective forum (musician in music, actor in film, etc.)

[Pyramid*]

Yes some do not all....
Brow beaten...If he has reached a conclusion is it unfair to ask how he arrived at that?
Many threads in the SD forum cause confrontation and heated debate.
My query was why he suggested it affected the politics threads specifically?

I agree with you entirely on one issue I will continue to post my opinions also regardless of anyones objections.

He has given the reasons for his conclusion.

SD is for serious debates: thus it should be robust enough to handle 'confrontation and heated debate' - as long as it remains in the thrust of the subject matter - which often, it doesn't - it degenerates to becoming personal - often mocking someone's opinion rather than respectfully disagreeing.

I cannot answer for InOne re your final question; I can offer my view on how I'm reading what's been written - the replies he has given throughout the thread: to me, it seems that he feels that any thread that falls under the Political topics banner in particular, are the ones that he feels degenerate to the point that reasonsonable and civil debate is impossible - and that he feels that most of the threads in the SD side of the forum: fall into that very category - making him avoid that section. In avoiding it: he may miss rather interesting other SD threads.

That's my take.

[Pyramid*]

Well one would hope people could just make an educated decision and go from there.


Yep, Like I said in my first post on here: "Common sense prevails..."

[Kizzy]

He has given the reasons for his conclusion.

SD is for serious debates: thus it should be robust enough to handle 'confrontation and heated debate' - as long as it remains in the thrust of the subject matter - which often, it doesn't - it degenerates to becoming personal - often mocking someone's opinion rather than respectfully disagreeing.

I cannot answer for InOne re your final question; I can offer my view on how I'm reading what's been written - the replies he has given throughout the thread: to me, it seems that he feels that any thread that falls under the Political topics banner in particular, are the ones that he feels degenerate to the point that reasonsonable and civil debate is impossible - and that he feels that most of the threads in the SD side of the forum: fall into that very category - making him avoid that section. In avoiding it: he may miss rather interesting other SD threads.

That's my take.

Never was a truer word was spoken pyra!

Why is this? reasonable and civil debate is impossible...
When has that ever occured?
We are reasonable adults, we post our opinions ..and site reputable articles as reference. Why would you suggest we cannot hold a reasoned debate?
I can, you two can speak for yourselves!

[InOne]

Well the way some of the topics have ended I'd hardly call it reasonable debate.

[Kizzy]

Well the way some of the topics have ended I'd hardly call it reasonable debate.

Example please?

[InOne]

Example please?

That's bacially the same as naming names.


I'm not one to start drama kizzy, you know this. :)

[Kizzy]

That's bacially the same as naming names.


I'm not one to start drama kizzy, you know this. :)

Like **** you're not! :D

[InOne]

Like **** you're not! :D

I know what you think this thread is all about. I noticed it when you quoted my post to Livia. I can assure you it's not like that at all, that's what I said lastnight too and you were having none of it then so doubt you will now.

[Kizzy]

I know what you think this thread is all about. I noticed it when you quoted my post to Livia. I can assure you it's not like that at all, that's what I said lastnight too and you were having none of it then so doubt you will now.

Don't bring livia into this, unless you think that she is somehow instrumental in the collapse of the political threads?....
Hmmm, I had never thought of that.

[InOne]

Don't bring livia into this, unless you think that she is somehow instrumental in the collapse of the political threads?....
Hmmm, I had never thought of that.

I'm not bringing anyone into anything. I mentioned a reply being quoted, nothing to do with what was posted.

Anyway, I'm right you're wrong. So that is that. But if mad conspiracies make you happy then that's up to you.

[Pyramid*]

Don't bring livia into this, unless you think that she is somehow instrumental in the collapse of the political threads?....
Hmmm, I had never thought of that.


Quite a deflection there Kizzy, using another person's innocent post as a means to (what could - could - be perceived as a snipe at another poster) ..... personally I'd say that was quite an appropriate example of what InOne was possibly getting at - not perhaps YOU - but as an example of the 'type' of posts that start the decline.....



Why is this? reasonable and civil debate is impossible...
When has that ever occured?
We are reasonable adults, we post our opinions ..and site reputable articles as reference. Why would you suggest we cannot hold a reasoned debate?
I can, you two can speak for yourselves!


I'm happy to speak for myself - I'm not so sure about my speaking for anyone else though - I wouldn't be so bold.

[Kizzy]

I'm not bringing anyone into anything. I mentioned a reply being quoted, nothing to do with what was posted.

Anyway, I'm right you're wrong. So that is that. But if mad conspiracies make you happy then that's up to you.

Is that all you wanted? 5 pages just to say that dearie me. I know what you meant regarding livias post :)
nay worries joe. Lets leave it then.

[Kizzy]

Quite a deflection there Kizzy, using another person's innocent post as a means to (what could - could - be perceived as a snipe at another poster) ..... personally I'd say that was quite an appropriate example of what InOne was possibly getting at - not perhaps YOU - but as an example of the 'type' of posts that start the decline.....



I'm happy to speak for myself - I'm not so sure about my speaking for anyone else though - I wouldn't be so bold.

Calm down pyra... I was not serious.

[InOne]

Is that all you wanted? 5 pages just to say that dearie me. I know what you meant regarding livias post :)
nay worries joe. Lets leave it then.

Yes we will have to leave it. Seen as you can't accept what I'm telling you.

[Benjamin]

Ok, party is over. I asked you earlier to keep it as suggestions. Now shoo and frolic in the rest of the forum. I'm sure there is an actual serious debate you could be having.

Admin will be notified of your suggestions (but probably won't read it all as most of the thread is the same thing over and over again, lol).