Has The X Factor Helped To Tarnish the Industry?

[Jake.]

This is my main opinion (and gripe) with the show. The music industry isn't in the best place as it is (in my opinion), with highly talented artists and bands doing well a rareity (and I say a rareity, but it still happens from time to time. Look at Adele etc). The X Factor gives them a platform. Instead of having to work to get known (like Oasis, The Beatles, you get my drift), they sing for a few weeks and boom, they become popular. Gone are the days where you see artists and bands working their way to the top, and The X Factor doesn't help that. Discuss.

[Princess]

To be fair a lot of the people on X Factor do work hard for years before they go on the show, the fame is just a lot more instant.

[Kazanne]

People will buy what they like,if it's an Xfactor artist,that's how it is,doesn't matter to me how 'long' someone has been in the business,a song will sell if enough people like it and as Princess said,some of these winners have worked long and hard,the Xfactor is just a means to recognition.

[Niamh.]

The thing I hate is that they've completely taken over the Christmas No.1 spot (unless there's some campaign or whatever) It used to be interesting to see who was number one for Christmas and sometimes it was even a Christmas Song..........

[Jake.]

I'm not saying that the actuall music to come from The X Factor is all terrible, it's the means by which the music is released every year come Christmas etc is what bothers me. You have all of these unappreciated artists and bands who spend months and even years on end performing small gigs, that for me is the heart of music. Trying your best to get recognition without going on to a show where straight away everything is manipulated and those who have never sung before are now singing in front of 3000 people, just because they seek fame.

[Jake.]

The thing I hate is that they've completely taken over the Christmas No.1 spot (unless there's some campaign or whatever) It used to be interesting to see who was number one for Christmas and sometimes it was even a Christmas Song..........

100% this :worship:

What actually happened to having a good XMas song at number 1?

[Glenn.]

Hallelujah was slightly biblical :idc:


Christmas No1 should be a Christmas song.

[Jake.]

Hallelujah was slightly biblical :idc:


Christmas No1 should be a Christmas song.

So that's one out of nine ;)

[InOne]

Well, a really really good band comes along about every 5 years. So we're definitely due another Indie wave soon. The last Indie wave was when the internet hadn't really taken off properly, well with downloads and stuff. It's all changed so much over the last 5 or 6 years.

[Jake.]

Well, a really really good band comes along about every 5 years. So we're definitely due another Indie wave soon. The last Indie wave was when the internet hadn't really taken off properly, well with downloads and stuff. It's all changed so much over the last 5 or 6 years.

:love:

[Saph]

My way of looking at the x factor and other reality shows is that they're just part of an era of modern culture, so like in the 2040s people will look back on the 00s/10s and remember the times when we used to vote for people on tv.

But talent shows are a dying breed so I cant see them lasting any longer than 2019 at the most.

[MusicXian]

Yeah I mean 1 day someone will come up with an idea to let a dog win a national talent show meant for humans...

... Oh wait ... :D

[Niamh.]

Hey that dog was amazing :nono:

[Me. I Am Salman]

I don't give a rat's arse whether or not an X Factor act gets the xmas #1. That doesn't mean anything.

In terms of the music industry in general though, Alexandra Burke/JLS/One Direction/Olly Murs/Little Mix etc have poisoned the charts but who is more to blame are the likes of will.i.am/Lady GaGa/Pitbull/Flo Rida/David Guetta/RedOne.

[Z]

I think so, it's not the cause but it's certainly a large part of the problem. I think it dates back to Popstars and Pop Idol really - that was a time when cheesy 90s music was still popular - Steps, S Club 7 and the like dominated the charts. Popstars documented what these sorts of groups went through to get to where they were for very little return and it's not much wonder that Hear'Say and Liberty X died out with the last of that kind of music. I think Popstars: The Rivals would have been the same were it not for Girls Aloud releasing Sound of the Underground as their debut single, I think that still today remains to be the exception to the rule - I don't know why talent shows have never picked out a new track that packs as much punch as that one for their winners, instead they go down the annoying cover version ballad route every single time. The onslaught of new disposable popstars every Christmas from the X Factor is just flooding the market and ultimately damaging its own brand. They keep launching new popstars for their target audience to care about, and it impacts upon their existing popstars who need support - how many reasonably successful acts have they launched from the X Factor in recent years? Not all of them can get a guest performer spot on the Sunday show, it's such a hollow promise from the X Factor that they are going to find the next star or whatever they claim... they find the next star, or find someone to try and be the next star, for 3 months and then leave them to fend for themselves completely clueless in an unforgiving music industry that either doesn't want to help them because they're seen as a tainted brand already by being an X Factor singer, or they rush to help them because they want to snap up these 'big stars' while they're still clueless about what they're doing.

[arista]

This is my main opinion (and gripe) with the show. The music industry isn't in the best place as it is (in my opinion), with highly talented artists and bands doing well a rareity (and I say a rareity, but it still happens from time to time. Look at Adele etc). The X Factor gives them a platform. Instead of having to work to get known (like Oasis, The Beatles, you get my drift), they sing for a few weeks and boom, they become popular. Gone are the days where you see artists and bands working their way to the top, and The X Factor doesn't help that. Discuss.



No X Factor moves gigs faster.

This morning on BBC1HD Breakfast
a Young Lad with Acoustic Guitar
writes his own songs and Sings.

Has Nothing to Do with XFactor

He got Signed by the Record label
as he is that good.


So No X Factor is just a Blip in the Cog.


Music Goes on and On
with or without X Factor.


King Simon Likes it all.

[Jake.]

No X Factor moves gigs faster.

This morning on BBC1HD Breakfast
a Young Lad with Acoustic Guitar
writes his own songs and Sings.

Has Nothing to Do with XFactor

He got Signed by the Record label
as he is that good.


So No X Factor is just a Blip in the Cog.


Music Goes on and On
with or without X Factor.


King Simon Likes it all.

That's one example.

[Jake.]

I don't give a rat's arse whether or not an X Factor act gets the xmas #1. That doesn't mean anything.

In terms of the music industry in general though, Alexandra Burke/JLS/One Direction/Olly Murs/Little Mix etc have poisoned the charts but who is more to blame are the likes of will.i.am/Lady GaGa/Pitbull/Flo Rida/David Guetta/RedOne.

Agreed apart from Gaga, I personally respect her because everything she writes is her own and she has a naturally good talent.

[Niamh.]

Agreed apart from Gaga, I personally respect her because everything she writes is her own and she has a naturally good talent.

Yeah I agree about GaGa, I wouldn't say I was a fan necessarily but she is a talented woman no doubt

[Jake.]

Yeah I agree about GaGa, I wouldn't say I was a fan necessarily but she is a talented woman no doubt

Yes pretty much the same, I respect her talents more than anything. Her singing Speechless live a few years back at the royal variety made me realise that she is naturally good at what she does.

[lily.]

To be honest, I hate that reality TV is the platform to fame nowadays, and somehow respect is gained from doing ****-all.

A lot of people look up to these 'reality TV stars' and in my view they haven't done anything to earn it.

It's a sign of the times, but in the past, you actually had to do something noteworthy to achieve fame, but in the past it was less fleeting too.

That's the only upside to the instant fame game... it's often short lived.

I don't think TXF has necessarily tarnished the music industry as there are plenty of other twats out there who didn't come from TXF. What's popular isn't always what's good, and vice versa.

I tend to just listen to and buy the music I like, and I don't much care if it's popular or not. Most of the popular music isn't my cup of tea, and never was, and I'm a kid of the 80s, so TXF can't be blamed for the **** clogging up the charts then. Stock, Aitken & Waterman have to take some responsibility though.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Agreed apart from Gaga, I personally respect her because everything she writes is her own and she has a naturally good talent.

She has a good voice and that's about it. Bad Romance, Edge of Glory, Marry The Night = utter tripe. She tries to be unique and artistic but comes across as a freak I mean what the **** is Judas?

I'm no Madonna fan but it makes me cackle when people say Lady GaGa is better than her. As Jack White rightly pointed out she's all image with no meaning.

[Niamh.]

She has a good voice and that's about it. Bad Romance, Edge of Glory, Marry The Night = utter tripe. She tries to be unique and artistic but comes across as a freak I mean what the **** is Judas?

I'm no Madonna fan but it makes me cackle when people say Lady GaGa is better than her. As Jack White rightly pointed out she's all image with no meaning.

She's a song writer and a musician which is two up on Madonna already tbf

[Me. I Am Salman]

Well the songs she writes are awful.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Nope, People on X-Factor work hard, sing each week & only about 5 a year get proper fame, from about 200,000 that apply. So It's just as grusome, if not more so than the music industry. They sing every week & gain fains, about 95% of the time they're all great singers, which can't be said for people in the charts. They're mainly very talented & had to work very hard & stand out to make the live finals, let alone to secure a label

[arista]

That's one example.


Its more than example
it Proves the Young Lad
who can sing and play Acoustic Guitar
is picked up by a wise record label.
And BBC1 breakfast used him to perform this morning Live
as the CD proved to their BBC Breakfast manager/producer
he is a Star.


And No X Factor anyplace near him.

[Stu]

I think in regards to the industry the internet is a much bigger factor. It makes it much, much harder to make money from music and at the same time allows more people than ever to make, release and consume all manner of music. Something which often goes under appreciated.

To be honest I think it's the mind that the X Factor has helped tarnish. It's poisoned music culture far more than the business. True great music will always exist but the face of music is the X Factor, really. It's making the loudest noise and reaching the biggest audience. And, crucially, it's just monstrously boring stuff. Dull people singing dull songs about absolutely nothing. It can earn some sort of merit as being a good exercise in vocal, sure, but it aint art kids.

Public Image made art when they stayed up all night zonked on speed writing the albums that would come to typify the post punk movement. Ian Curtis made art when he poured his battered soul on to paper. This stuff to me is what music is. Little Johnny Joe from next-door-to-everybody isn't making art because he stood in a cue and belted out a tune someone handed to him because his gran fancies he has a pretty lovely voice.

I just don't know why people bother. You get people watching it as just another entertainment show and ... whatever, like ... but these people who year after year get sucked into it and become fans of the acts perplex me to no end.

You're going to die someday. Why waste precious hours on devotion to such a frivolous parade of spastics.

[BBfanUSA]

My way of looking at the x factor and other reality shows is that they're just part of an era of modern culture, so like in the 2040s people will look back on the 00s/10s and remember the times when we used to vote for people on tv.

But talent shows are a dying breed so I cant see them lasting any longer than 2019 at the most.

And they'll come back like Boy bands have recently.

[lily.]

I think in regards to the industry the internet is a much bigger factor. It makes it much, much harder to make money from music and at the same time allows more people than ever to make, release and consume all manner of music. Something which often goes under appreciated.

To be honest I think it's the mind that the X Factor has helped tarnish. It's poisoned music culture far more than the business. True great music will always exist but the face of music is the X Factor, really. It's making the loudest noise and reaching the biggest audience. And, crucially, it's just monstrously boring stuff. Dull people singing dull songs about absolutely nothing. It can earn some sort of merit as being a good exercise in vocal, sure, but it aint art kids.

Public Image made art when they stayed up all night zonked on speed writing the albums that would come to typify the post punk movement. Ian Curtis made art when he poured his battered soul on to paper. This stuff to me is what music is. Little Johnny Joe from next-door-to-everybody isn't making art because he stood in a cue and belted out a tune someone handed to him because his gran fancies he has a pretty lovely voice.

I just don't know why people bother. You get people watching it as just another entertainment show and ... whatever, like ... but these people who year after year get sucked into it and become fans of the acts perplex me to no end.

You're going to die someday. Why waste precious hours on devotion to such a frivolous parade of spastics.

I know it's politically incorrect, but I literally burst out laughing at this sentence.

[Stu]

I really hope we're not due another indie wave, either. I want my next evolution of electronic music and a third summer of love. Some sort of shock electro tribal revival. Not The Lads with their daft riffs and reductive lyrics :hmph:.

Someone should really get up and see through post punks mission to destroy rock music because by and large it sucks.

[InOne]

Well, doesn't have to be Indie. I meant more when a big band comes along. I'm rubbish at keeping up with new music though at the moment, and with the new stuff I tend to dislike more than I like.

[Stu]

Yeah I'm clueless as to what's happening nowadays. That's why I rely on A God Awful Small Affair to keep me in the know.

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[Shaun]

Yeah I'm clueless as to what's happening nowadays. That's why I rely on A God Awful Small Affair to keep me in the know.

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[Doogle]

I don't give a rat's arse whether or not an X Factor act gets the xmas #1. That doesn't mean anything.

In terms of the music industry in general though, Alexandra Burke/JLS/One Direction/Olly Murs/Little Mix etc have poisoned the charts but who is more to blame are the likes of will.i.am/Lady GaGa/Pitbull/Flo Rida/David Guetta/RedOne.

You named a bunch of people notorious for generic dance music and then listed Gaga among them? I get you don't like her but it doesn't really add up having her in there. Her music does not appeal to everyone but I think she's brought something "different" to the chart (even if it was all done 20 years ago)

The others I can understand though. I just don't get why Gaga would be there when she hasn't "poisoned" the charts any less than a pop star such as Rihanna or Katy has (plenty hate their music but would probably still blame XF/the other generics that you listed for the music decline)

[InOne]

How has GaGa brought anything different to the charts? All her songs are generic pop.

[Me. I Am Salman]

You named a bunch of people notorious for generic dance music and then listed Gaga among them? I get you don't like her but it doesn't really add up having her in there. Her music does not appeal to everyone but I think she's brought something "different" to the chart (even if it was all done 20 years ago)

The others I can understand though. I just don't get why Gaga would be there when she hasn't "poisoned" the charts any less than a pop star such as Rihanna or Katy has (plenty hate their music but would probably still blame XF/the other generics that you listed for the music decline)

I just feel that if any other artist was to release her music it would be dismissed as mainstream.

[SocietyIsRuined]

Simon Cowell will be known to future generations as the person who destroyed music. I wouldn't want that legacy but his fame comes with that price.

[Doogle]

How has GaGa brought anything different to the charts? All her songs are generic pop.

To an extent I guess, but most of them contain some stupid pretentious secret message, and then she tried to make it less mainstream and got loads of hate for it LOL

I just think she's a bit out of place in that list of people who have "poisoned" the chart.

If we're talking generic, why didn't he mention Rihanna, Katy Perry, Ke$ha, 1 Direction, Britney Spears, Rita Ora, Tulisa, The Wanted etc etc etc etc etc etc

[Jake.]

Nope, People on X-Factor work hard, sing each week & only about 5 a year get proper fame, from about 200,000 that apply. So It's just as grusome, if not more so than the music industry. They sing every week & gain fains, about 95% of the time they're all great singers, which can't be said for people in the charts. They're mainly very talented & had to work very hard & stand out to make the live finals, let alone to secure a label

'They sing every week and gain fans'

Exactly. Hardly hard work to get up and sing a sing everyweek and have people vote for you. And saying that people in the charts aren't great singers doesn't make sense to me, considering that pretty much all X Factor singers release chart music.

[MeMyselfAndI]

'They sing every week and gain fans'

Exactly. Hardly hard work to get up and sing a sing everyweek and have people vote for you. And saying that people in the charts aren't great singers doesn't make sense to me, considering that pretty much all X Factor singers release chart music.
:rolleyes:
X Factor is just as competitive as the music industry, It's so much hard work, of all the people apply, about 1/60,000 get a record deal probably

[Jake.]

Its like a few of my mates are in a band, and they do some smallish gigs, and its just great watching them actually work hard to grow as a band.

[Jake.]

:rolleyes:
X Factor is just as competitive as the music industry, It's so much hard work, of all the people apply, about 1/60,000 get a record deal probably

It might be hard for people to have millions loving them, but that doesn't change my opinion that The X Factor is partly ruining the industry.

[King Gizzard]

Most current pop music as a whole has

[arista]

Simon Cowell will be known to future generations as the person who destroyed music. I wouldn't want that legacy but his fame comes with that price.


What Utter Bollocks

[King Gizzard]

Care to explain your point instead of just blasting someone's opinion arista?

[arista]

No X Factor moves gigs faster.

This morning on BBC1HD Breakfast
a Young Lad with Acoustic Guitar
writes his own songs and Sings.

Has Nothing to Do with XFactor

He got Signed by the Record label
as he is that good.


So No X Factor is just a Blip in the Cog.


Music Goes on and On
with or without X Factor.


King Simon Likes it all.


There Nat

[Stu]

Care to explain your point instead of just blasting someone's opinion arista?
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You're getting "redundant fixtures we tolerate" and "people capable of being quality posters" mixed up

[SocietyIsRuined]

Arista, music will never die. It can be harmed and damaged as it has been by Cowell. You can see it in his cheesy grin - he's the abomination of desolation. His acts are his minions.

[Kazanne]

Music will never be 'destroyed' it will be around forever ,it's not been harmed or damaged by Simon Cowell or anyone,no one is FORCED to by certain types of music,people buy what they want to whether it's an XFactor act or not,so if something is popular and you dont like it,that's because other people do.

[Stu]

Nobody is forced but these acts are incredibly pervasive. The industry accommodates to style over substance, cheap music that is guaranteed to sell to the point where more boundary pushing, experimental acts are not given a chance on the big stage. This leads to lazy consumers - essentially the base audience for these acts and TV shows - only being exposed to these acts. Their minds not even given the chance to sample something different. They're not going to seek it out themselves because they are the lazy consumers who consume what is handed to them. So nothing grows. It's a sad state of affairs.

I really hate generalizing. Honestly, I do. It makes me feel dirty and pretentious. But I'm always taking the ten people who don't watch the X Factor and buy the end product on my pub quiz team.

I'm dirty and pretentious.

[SocietyIsRuined]

Cowell thinks he's the modern day Berry Gordy. The only problem with this is that Berry Gordy as with Ahmet Ertugen had an ear for music, Cowell is tone deaf.

[SocietyIsRuined]

The industry accommodates to style over substance, cheap music that is guaranteed to sell to the point where more boundary pushing, experimental acts are not given a chance on the big stage. This leads to lazy consumers - essentially the base audience for these acts and TV shows - only being exposed to these acts. Their minds not even given the chance to sample something different. They're not going to seek it out themselves because they are the lazy consumers who consume what is handed to them. So nothing grows. It's a sad state of affairs.

I agree with this. Mr Blobby proved it to be correct as well. Saturate TV with a pink and yellow spotted idiot = No.1 record.

[LemonJam]

I don't see how anyone argue that X factor hasn't helped to completely bastardise the art form of music tbh. It's certainly not what initially stabbed it in the heart, but it's twisting the knife until everything bleeds out.

[lily.]

I don't see how anyone argue that X factor hasn't helped to completely bastardise the art form of music tbh. It's certainly not what initially stabbed it in the heart, but it's twisting the knife until everything bleeds out.

Don't hold back on the analogies there James..

[King Gizzard]

You should put that in a song LJ

[James]

The trouble with X Factor and music is that the competition on the show is just about singing cover versions of popular songs. It doesn't tell the record-buying public anything about what their eventual original material will be like, so a lot of sales will be based solely on perceived style and image - as well as fan-support from the show of course.

[King Gizzard]

The trouble with X Factor and music is that the competition on the show is just about singing cover versions of popular songs. It doesn't tell the record-buying public anything about what their eventual original material will be like, so a lot of sales will be based solely on perceived style and image - as well as fan-support from the show of course.

yup, that's where I feel James was different and refreshing, you could actually tell what he would release and that he put his own spin on every song he sang

[Brother Leon]

Reminds me of when Cher and Simon tried to get her a collab with some Grime Guys to boost her "Street rep". Most of them told her to piss off as "We've been grafting without goin on some bs show, we arent the same". I imagine a lot of Artists feel that way too.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that the Music Industry isn't that strong at the moment because alot of the artists around now are around because of there looks instead of there talent, and The X Factor could've have been a great platform for talented singers to do well but the producers pushed for some bad winners that was never gonna succeed, and the actual talented ones that did win was given bad songs, or covers in some cases that completely destroyed any chances they had of doing well, and some X Factor acts just have never been given enough exposure if they never won the show, it's sad though as Rhydian and Aiden have had some strong singles that should have done better since they've left TXF.

I'm sorry for the long post, I just had alot to get off my chest lol.

[Marcus.]

I think that the Music Industry isn't that strong at the moment because alot of the artists around now are around because of there looks instead of there talent, and The X Factor could've have been a great platform for talented singers to do well but the producers pushed for some bad winners that was never gonna succeed, and the actual talented ones that did win was given bad songs, or covers in some cases that completely destroyed any chances they had of doing well, and some X Factor acts just have never been given enough exposure if they never won the show, it's sad though as Rhydian and Aiden have had some strong singles that should have done better since they've left TXF.

I'm sorry for the long post, I just had alot to get off my chest lol.

that ok mock

[Mystic Mock]

Hallelujah was slightly biblical :idc:


Christmas No1 should be a Christmas song.

No the best song around Christmas should be Christmas number 1.