Richard the Third is found in a car park in Leicester?

[Ammi]

So Richard III’s body has (possibly) been found, and while he had scoliosis (a curvature of the spine), “the skeleton was not a hunchback". In your face, Tudor propaganda machine!

Well, perhaps it's him, and it's exciting news. The last Plantagenet still rather fascinates the public; the last English king to die in battle, he was one of Shakespeare’s greatest monsters – but there have always been questions about how bad he actually was. On the one hand he was cast by the Tudors as being a usurper, but, worse still, the killer of his two young nephews. (It is striking how, even in eras when violence was widespread, the murder of children still holds a particular horror. In the story of the last days of the Third Reich, as shown in Downfall and The Bunker, the Goebbels’ murders of their six children are still the most shocking scenes.)

But no one has ever successfully identified the bodies of the Princes in the Tower and many believe that Henry VII killed them. Certainly Henry and his son had no qualms about bumping off various relatives, the finale to a century and a half of fratricidal strife, although they tended to be adults. And Henry Tudor certainly gave the impression of believing young Edward and Richard to be dead


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100180652/if-this-is-richard-iii-should-we-gave-him-a-state-burial-london/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9540207/Richard-III-skeleton-reveals-hunchback-king.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9537600/Strong-evidence-Richard-IIIs-body-has-been-found-with-a-curved-spine.html

[Jesus.]

You were there the first time around.

Boom

[Ammi]

..yeah, which is why I know it's not him you cheeky monkey...(doesn't really know..might be him)...I think it's probably Quasimodo...the Disney version....

[joeysteele]

I have read a lot of books on Richard 111 Ammi, somehow my own view is that he wasn't in any way the monster he was portrayed to be, of course not being there and seeing for yourself it is hard to form opinions that have any binding.

For me though, I think the Tudors were in the main part ruthless liars and as to the Princes in the Tower, I feel at that time and the uncertain time it was, that Richard 111 had little to gain,if anything at all even, from killing them, they were after all heirs to his line should anything happen to him.
Henry V11 however would need them dead to be sure of security once he had got the throne so for me, I now hold the view he is very likely the architect of their deaths not Richard.

I hope if they conclude that these are in fact his bones that they eventually get the burial that most Monarchs have been accorded.

[Ammi]

I have read a lot of books on Richard 111 Ammi, somehow my own view is that he wasn't in any way the monster he was portrayed to be, of course not being there and seeing for yourself it is hard to form opinions that have any binding.

For me though, I think the Tudors were in the main part ruthless liars and as to the Princes in the Tower, I feel at that time and the uncertain time it was, that Richard 111 had little to gain,if anything at all even, from killing them, they were after all heirs to his line should anything happen to him.
Henry V11 however would need them dead to be sure of security once he had got the throne so for me, I now hold the view he is very likely the architect of their deaths not Richard.

I hope if they conclude that these are in fact his bones that they eventually get the burial that most Monarchs have been accorded.


..I totally agree with that Joey...that's my view as well....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21063882
A skeleton found beneath a Leicester car park has been confirmed as that of English king Richard III.

Experts from the University of Leicester said DNA from the bones matched that of descendants of the monarch's family.

Richard was killed in battle in 1485 but his grave was lost when the church around it was demolished in the 16th Century.

The skeleton had suffered 10 injuries, including eight to the skull.

The bones, which are of a man in his late 20s or early 30s, have been carbon dated to a period from 1455-1540.

Richard was 32 when he died at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485.

Lead archaeologist Richard Taylor, from the University of Leicester, said to applause at a press conference: "Beyond reasonable doubt it's Richard. This is a historic day for Leicester."

It has also been confirmed the bones will be reinterred in Leicester Cathedral, yards from where they were found.

:idc:

[Jesus.]

So someone had a Richard the 3rd in a Leicester car park. Hardly news.

[Omah]

So someone had a Richard the 3rd in a Leicester car park. Hardly news.

Ho ho ho ..... split my sides laughing ..... :laugh3:

[arista]

So someone had a Richard the 3rd in a Leicester car park. Hardly news.



No its now on Every Hour news
They built a car park on a Important Leader,
Shocking.

http://i.mol.im/i/pix/2013/02/04/article-2273164-17563057000005DC-895_964x357.jpg

[Jesus.]

If they'd have known, then I doubt they'd have purposefully done that. Loads of important historical figures are buried in obscure places.

Nobody knows where Tom Paines body is, and he's far more recent and inspirational.

[Marc]

I found him.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/04/article-2273164-1755DC80000005DC-941_634x482.jpg
[The Battle of Bosworth: Richard, pictured on the white horse,
was killed in battle more than 500 years ago
at Bosworth field, in a battle which marked
the end of his line and the rise of the Tudors]


well before SkyNewsHD

[joeysteele]

I am so pleased that he will now get the decent resting place he should have had.

For me,he is a Monarch likely greatly misrepresented in history. Henry V11 has a massively personally glorified tomb where his bones lie,for me Richard 111 warranted that more than he likely ever did.

[Munchkins]

Absolutely amazing discovery, Richard III has had a hard time in history and is underrated tbh just as Mary I has been, considering Elizabeth burnt a lot of people too. Anyway for a historic lover like me who studies it at A level this really is fantastic and I still believe Henry vii killed the princes I wonder if they will ever be found since the last bones found were proven not to be them

[Alf]

Good old Richard the hundred and eleventh

[arista]

I am so pleased that he will now get the decent resting place he should have had.

For me,he is a Monarch likely greatly misrepresented in history. Henry V11 has a massively personally glorified tomb where his bones lie,for me Richard 111 warranted that more than he likely ever did.


Yes
Hell of a guy

[joeysteele]

Absolutely amazing discovery, Richard III has had a hard time in history and is underrated tbh just as Mary I has been, considering Elizabeth burnt a lot of people too. Anyway for a historic lover like me who studies it at A level this really is fantastic and I still believe Henry vii killed the princes I wonder if they will ever be found since the last bones found were proven not to be them

Really interesting post Munchkins,it would be good if they were to find the Princes remains too.
I also agree that it was more likely henry Tudor who murdered the Princes, not Richard.
They were by far a greater threat to Henry than Richard.

[Alf]

Bring him home to York and bury him in York minister.

[Munchkins]

Really interesting post Munchkins,it would be good if they were to find the Princes remains too.
I also agree that it was more likely henry Tudor who murdered the Princes, not Richard.
They were by far a greater threat to Henry than Richard.

Everyone likes a figure to pin all the blame for, and sadly for Richard he was that, also didn't help that he was supposedly an ugly man, and obviously with the curviture of his spine, he was not in the best shape, and had deformities
would be great if they find the princes but i find it doubtful :(

[arista]

A Special Tonight on Ch4 9PM

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'll be able to sleep better tonight.

[Marcus.]

that a cool find
heard it on the radio

[Munchkins]

I'll be able to sleep better tonight.

How people can not be fascinated by history i'll never know D:

[Kazanne]

I find this story so interesting,so much can be learnt from our history now,and now at least he will be interred in a fitting place.

[Ammi]

I find this story so interesting,so much can be learnt from our history now,and now at least he will be interred in a fitting place.

..he might be annoyed he's lost his parking space Kaz...parking in Leicester is quite expensive....

[Nedusa]

Do you think any of our current Royal family will attend the re burial service ??

[Kazanne]

..he might be annoyed he's lost his parking space Kaz...parking in Leicester is quite expensive....

:joker::joker::joker::thumbs:good one Ammi.

[Ammi]

Richard III: Remains almost destroyed by 19th century toilet

The remains of Richard III could have been relegated to the wasteland of history.

Leading archaeologist Richard Buckley revealed the skeleton was nearly destroyed when a 19th century toilet was built above it.

The controversial king was buried just 68cm under the flag stones of Greyfriars monastery in Leicester but narrowly avoided colliding with the foundations of an outhouse.

The grave was only slightly disturbed by the toilet, which missed the monarch's body by a few inches when it was installed.

Project archaeologist Mr Buckley said that the king's remains were almost flushed down the pan when the outhouse was constructed in the 1800s.

He said: "The remains were very vulnerable because they were only under relatively modern debris.

"A less experienced team could easily have damaged the skeleton whilst using a mechanical digger to open the trench.

"There was trauma to the skull which we believe was caused years after death.

"A 19th-century brick outhouse came very close to destroying the grave altogether."

Richard III's skeleton was positively identified 527 years after his death after his remains were found in a council car park in Leicester


..oh dear...it could have been Richard the Tur.....no, I won't say it..it's a bit too obvious....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21328380

A facial reconstruction based on the skull of Richard III has revealed how the English king may have looked.

The reconstructed face has a slightly arched nose and prominent chin, similar to features shown in portraits of Richard III painted after his death.

Historian and author John Ashdown-Hill said seeing it was "almost like being face to face with a real person".

Yeah, like the famous portrait, but "human" ..... :amazed:

[the truth]

so the welsh buried him under a toilet? the sheep shagging ********s lol

[arista]

Do you think any of our current Royal family will attend the re burial service ??


No


It will just be a place to Visit.

With Updated Data
and Digital Info Slabs

[arista]

Bring him home to York and bury him in York minister.


Yes there is now
a fight
on who can Have Him

[joeysteele]

I personally think York would be a better final resting place for his remains.

[Alf]

Yes there is now
a fight
on who can Have Him
I can see the reasoning why Leicester wants to keep the remains, it's gonna be a tourist hotspot in the coming years, but i know i'd like to be buried at home and i'm sure he would have liked his final resting place to be at home in York not in Leicester.

[Harry!]

This is a great news, I am glad Richard III will be buried properly.

[joeysteele]

This is a great news, I am glad Richard III will be buried properly.

So am I, I also hope to see a fairer portrayal of him as to those compiling historical books now as that period and his time as King.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21427369

A design for Richard III's tomb has been unveiled by an enthusiasts' group.

The Richard III Society said the 7ft (2.1m) long limestone monument would blend modern and medieval style decorations to reflect the king's life.

The group was closely involved in the project to find the lost king's remains, which was confirmed last week.

Leicester Cathedral, where Richard is expected to be reinterred in 2014, said it would consider ideas but no decision had yet been made.

Richard III died at the battle of Bosworth in 1485 while fighting a rebellion by the future Henry VII.

He was buried in the church of the Greyfriars in Leicester but the precise location was lost when the building was demolished.

Working with Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, a University of Leicester team uncovered a skeleton in September 2012 and its identity was confirmed earlier this month.

Despite a number of rival claims, Leicester Cathedral is preparing to take possession of the remains by summer 2014 at the latest.

A spokesman for the Richard III Society said: "The tomb design was commissioned by Philippa Langley in September 2010 at the very beginning of the Looking For Richard project.

I watched the C4 program "starring" Philippa last night - what an amazing lady!

By the end of the program, her emotional "journey" had had me spellbound and on the verge of tears.

I sincerely hope that her efforts aren't now eclipsed by the publicity machines for the interests of the Establishment.

[Jesus.]

Isn't there a grave free where Jimmy Saville used to reside?

[arista]

Isn't there a grave free where Jimmy Saville used to reside?


Yes but he can not go there
Its not a Good Zone now

[Jesus.]

Yes but he can not go there
Its not a Good Zone now

Good point Arista. If there's anyone who knew anything about getting into bad zones, it was Jimmy Saville.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21753034
The reburial of remains of Richard III should not be the subject of a "finders, keepers agreement", York Outer MP Julian Sturdy has argued.

York MPs are unhappy the University of Leicester, which excavated the remains, will decide where the King is re-interred, and not the government.

They argue that the King wanted to be buried in York Minster, not Leicester Cathedral - the university's choice.

Ministers said it was up to the university to decide.

The terms of the exhumation licence granted to the university before it carried out the archaeological excavation pass the responsibility of reburying of the King's remains to the university.

But campaigners have argued that this favours burial in Leicester Cathedral, while York Minster was the place the King himself had identified for his burial.

Richard was the last king of the House of York and and, especially in the city of York, was highly regarded, so that's my choice.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21768730

Richard III could be laid to rest under a simple slab, under plans revealed by Leicester Cathedral officials.

The diocese wants to put what is known as a ledger stone in the chancel and has rejected proposals for a larger monument as "disproportionate".

A consultation will now be held, with a final design expected in October ahead of a reinternment due in May 2014.

Leicester Cathedral's governing board, known as Chapter, has drawn up a series of ideas and principles to guide architects who will come up with the final design.

It said: "(Our preference) is to mark the place of burial with a ledger stone, in line with the form of grave marker used most commonly for monarchs in the modern period.

"Such a gravestone might be appropriately framed with a decorative border to ensure that its place within the space is properly articulated. While other forms of grave, tomb or memorial cannot be ruled out prior to consultation; it is unlikely that large table-top tomb or effigy would be acceptable."

Officials said the cathedral was a "modest" building which might be dominated by a large monument and they were keen to avoid anything which was a "pastiche".

The Richard III Society, which was closely involved in the project to find the grave, had also put forward its own design for a tomb.

Its East Midlands Branch Secretary, Sally Henshaw, said she was "very disappointed" their idea for a large, limestone table-top design had been shunned.

"There has been a ledger stone dedicated to Richard III in Leicester cathedral since 1982, before his remains were discovered.

"To simply have another stone does not, I think, really reflect his status as an anointed king, the last of the Plantagenets and his warrior death.

"I think people who will come from all over the world, who have been fascinated by the story, will be disappointed".

:idc:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-22647770

The remains of King Richard III, which were discovered under a car park, were buried in a "hastily dug, untidy grave", researchers have revealed.

Academics from the University of Leicester said the bones were placed in an odd position, with the torso crammed in to the lozenge-shaped grave.

The research also found the casual nature of the burial suggested a lack of respect for the king.

But the academics said it may have been the work of gravediggers in a hurry.

The grave in Leicester was found to be too short to contain the body conventionally and evidence was found to show the king may have had his hands tied.

The research came after the announcement in February that archaeologists had confirmed the remains as those of the last Plantagenet monarch.

There were no signs of a shroud or coffin in Richard III's grave, in stark contrast to other medieval graves found in Leicester which were the correct length and were dug neatly with vertical sides, academics said.

This is in keeping with accounts from the medieval historian Polydore Vergil, who said Richard III was buried "without any pomp or solemn funeral".

:idc: