America : if they give Free Gastrick Bands it will save money

[arista]

This was debated on FoxNews Red Eye
early this morning.


If all the Fat Americans get a Free
Gastrick band fitted
it will save the USA health service billions.

[Jesus.]

This was debated on FoxNews Red Eye
early this morning.


If all the Fat Americans get a Free
Gastrick band fitted
it will save the USA health service billions.

Fox news doesn't agree with giving any health care away for free. Isn't that classed as communism to them?

[arista]

Fox news doesn't agree with giving any health care away for free. Isn't that classed as communism to them?


Its Red Eye on FoxNews

A Scottish guest said it


Red Eye does not broadcast Fox News Style

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Here is one from last May.

That Gavin McInnes on there its his idea
but broadcast this morning


You will Like Gavin

[Kizzy]

Yep! What is it with portions over there...
I don't mean to be rude to the American posters, is that man v food thing real?
He asks for a sandwich and they give him enough food to feed a family of for four a weeek!
Whats all that about?

[InOne]

He goes to the gym loads inbetween the challanges and doesn't eat anything the day he does them.

[Kizzy]

That's not the point, the places he visits serve massive meals all the time to everyone.
This level of gluttony is revolting.

[InOne]

He's just a man who likes his food :pipe:

[arista]

He's just a man who likes his food :pipe:


He is making Money
Thats his Job.

But today by Gavin on Red Eye this morning
means all ( if )
the Fat Americans get Free Gastrick Fited bands
and that means they no longer need hospitals.
Saving billions of dollars

[Jesus.]

If Americans want to kill themselves with food, we should be encouraging them not pointing out the error of their ways.

[InOne]

He is making Money
Thats his Job.

But today by Gavin on Red Eye this morning
means all ( if )
the Fat Americans get Free Gastrick Fited bands
and that means they no longer need hospitals.
Saving billions of dollars

But living in the UK, that really means nothing to me lol

[arista]

If Americans want to kill themselves with food, we should be encouraging them, not trying to point out the error of their ways.


No this is about Massive Saving Health Costings.
once the Gastrick band is fitted they Eat less.

It would change America

[arista]

But living in the UK, that really means nothing to me lol



It does as The UK Health Service is doing Free Gastrick bands
in some zones

[Kizzy]

We are 5 years behind them, soon our cafes will have troughs outside and buckets of cola for everyone too!
Has anyone seen 'supersize me' by Morgan Spurlock?

[Jesus.]

No this is about Massive Saving Health Costings.
once the Gastrick band is fitted they Eat less.

It would change America

That's not true Arista. Many people return to eating massive amounts. Food is both a physical and mental issue.

[arista]

That's not true Arista. Many people return to eating massive amounts. Food is both a physical and mental issue.


yes but a Free Gastrick band for all those over the weight
they set - stops over eating.

[Jesus.]

yes but a Free Gastrick band for all those over the weight
they set - stops over eating.

It stops it for a while, not forever. There are bigger issues involved rather than just cutting the stomach in half.

[arista]

It stops it for a while, not forever. There are bigger issues involved rather than just cutting the stomach in half.


This is a Money Deal
and the presidents Health Care is having money trouble

[Kizzy]

He will be cursing the day he provided free healthcare, any idea how much obesity costs the NHS?

[Jesus.]

This is a Money Deal
and the presidents Health Care is having money trouble

Well here's the facts - the presidents healthcare bill actually reduces costs. You may think this particular bill is having trouble, but the real issue is that healthcare providers get to vastly overcharge patients for care.

If they had universal healthcare, they would save billions, but the right are in bed with the insurance companies and refuse to allow anything like that to happen.

[Livia]

Well here's the facts - the presidents healthcare bill actually reduces costs. You may think this particular bill is having trouble, but the real issue is that healthcare providers get to vastly overcharge patients for care.

If they had universal healthcare, they would save billions, but the right are in bed with the insurance companies and refuse to allow anything like that to happen.

I find myself agreeing with all of that.

As for the issue of free gastric bands, perhaps the money might be better spent on providing counselling for people who clearly have issues with food. Like JHC says, they will go back to overeating eventually.

[Jesus.]

I find myself agreeing with all of that.

As for the issue of free gastric bands, perhaps the money might be better spent on providing counselling for people who clearly have issues with food. Like JHC says, they will go back to overeating eventually.

Well if you didn't, I'd get really angry and shout at you.

[Jesus.]

He will be cursing the day he provided free healthcare, any idea how much obesity costs the NHS?

He doesn't provide free healthcare. They provide it to some people, but most Americans pay thousands of dollars a year in insurance premiums.

A couple of years ago, more bankruptcies were caused by healthcare costs than any other reason in the US. That was in a global meltdown. I don't know how those figures stack up today, but I'd guess they'd still be pretty similar.

The right wing in America even held up a bill to provide ongoing healthcare to the first responders on 9/11. People who are dying because of the toxic environment they faced on that day.

Nothing is free in America. Even basic human rights and dignity.

[Livia]

Well if you didn't, I'd get really angry and shout at you.

Ooo I'm scared.

I'm sure there are lots of obese people in the UK already getting gastric bands on the NHS. I remember seeing a programme about it where a woman up for a gastric band would buy loads and loads of junk food on a Friday night and gorge herself with it. She found it almost impossible to lose the small amount of weight - ten pounds or something - that would show she was serious about losing weight and get her a free gastric band. That's not a physical weight issue, it's a mental issue.

[Jesus.]

Food plays on the same parts of the brain as sex and love, I believe. It's easier for unmotivated, depressed, fat people to reward their brains with burgers than it is the real thing.

[Livia]

I need to go and get some lunch....

[arista]

Food plays on the same parts of the brain as sex and love, I believe. It's easier for unmotivated, depressed, fat people to reward their brains with burgers than it is the real thing.




Yes but I still like Gavin on Red Eye
he is a bit like you

[Jesus.]

Yes but I still like Gavin on Red Eye
he is a bit like you

No one else could be that cool!

If you like him, and he reminds you of me......then you....must.....like......me.

Come here you big green lump and lets stay thin together forever.

[arista]

No one else could be that cool!

If you like him, and he reminds you of me......then you....must.....like......me.

Come here you big green lump and lets stay thin together forever.

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This is a good one Scottish Dad Jimmy (talks about fat Americans at 9mins)
is on this from last year summer. Funny
(make sure you click 720PHD on the YouTube)
(No Ads)

and at 14mins Chicken Across the Road Joke Fury


At 21 mins Jimmy Bangs the table Fecking Crap Talking

At 33mins he talks of a Woman that makes 3 Vagina's

[Kizzy]

He doesn't provide free healthcare. They provide it to some people, but most Americans pay thousands of dollars a year in insurance premiums.

A couple of years ago, more bankruptcies were caused by healthcare costs than any other reason in the US. That was in a global meltdown. I don't know how those figures stack up today, but I'd guess they'd still be pretty similar.

The right wing in America even held up a bill to provide ongoing healthcare to the first responders on 9/11. People who are dying because of the toxic environment they faced on that day.

Nothing is free in America. Even basic human rights and dignity.

I am aware of that, but thanks.

[Kizzy]

The psychological aspect is one issue, however the percentage affected by that will be nothing in comparison to the percentage who just overeat and don't exercise.

[Kazanne]

Yep! What is it with portions over there...
I don't mean to be rude to the American posters, is that man v food thing real?
He asks for a sandwich and they give him enough food to feed a family of for four a weeek!
Whats all that about?

:joker: This made me smile,I remember asking for a burger in TGI Fridays over in New York for my hubby , we fell about laughing when it arrived he couldn't get his mouth round it , it was humungous , honestly :hugesmile: He did the English thing and used a knife and fork :joker::joker:

[Kizzy]

:joker: This made me smile,I remember asking for a burger in TGI Fridays over in New York for my hubby , we fell about laughing when it arrived he couldn't get his mouth round it , it was humungous , honestly :hugesmile: He did the English thing and used a knife and fork :joker::joker:

Good god lol, he should have asked for a 'doggy bag' another stupid idea, if you are full but there is still food on your plate ffs leave it don't haul it round with you to cram in later!
:joker:

[Livia]

I've lived in a couple of places in the USA and even though they have massive portions my weight didn't change at all while I was there. And it's not like I can eat anything I like and not put on weight. I still say if you are psychologically prone to overeat, no amount of portion control will encourage you to cut down, you'll just eat more portions.

[Kizzy]

Is everyone prone to overeating in america then?
Do they all have pyschological issues? If I ask for a ham sandwich I want a slice of ham between 2 slices of bread.
Not half a pig in a 6ft baguette dipped in gravy....

[arista]

Is everyone prone to overeating in america then?
Do they all have pyschological issues? If I ask for a ham sandwich I want a slice of ham between 2 slices of bread.
Not half a pig in a 6ft baguette dipped in gravy....


Yes Size of any meal is Alarmimg.

I did take what I could not eat back to my Hotel , for later
My own doggy bag, pre planned.

[Livia]

Is everyone prone to overeating in america then?
Do they all have pyschological issues? If I ask for a ham sandwich I want a slice of ham between 2 slices of bread.
Not half a pig in a 6ft baguette dipped in gravy....

Not sure where you're going with that.

[Kizzy]

Not sure where you're going with that.

It's a statement, it's not going anywhere.
Do you have a response to it?

[Livia]

It's a statement, it's not going anywhere.
Do you have a response to it?

No, I do not think all Americans overeat. I'm not sure that really needed answering though.

Just because big portions are served doesn't mean everyone eats like a pig. So long as you expend more calories than you take in you can eat what you like. And having one large portion of something a day is preferable to eating five packets of biscuits, half a loaf of toast with butter, some crisps, lots of chocolate, a takeaway and several cans of beer. Which is the kid of diet a lot of fat people have.

[Kizzy]

Suppy and demand, if people didn't want mega meals then they wouldn't provide them.
Establishments would be saving themselves a fortune too if they didn't pander to the overeaters. Let them go out and buy more food if thats what they want to do, businesses don't have a duty of care to chubbers :)
And I didn't say ALL Americans overeat did I?
Cheers for the nutritional info, appreciated.

[Livia]

Suppy and demand, if people didn't want mega meals then they wouldn't provide them.
Establishments would be saving themselves a fortune too if they didn't pander to the overeaters. Let them go out and buy more food if thats what they want to do, businesses don't have a duty of care to chubbers :)
And I didn't say ALL Americans overeat did I?
Cheers for the nutritional info, appreciated.

No, you didn't say all American overeat, you asked me whether they do. You said "Is everyone prone to overeating in america then?"

If you ever go to the USA you will see that not all outlets serve their meals in buckets. If you eat at burger joints and fast food outlets then you will be overwhelmed with food. But then, not everyone eats fast food every day. The only people responsible for their obesity is the obese person themselves, regardless of portion size.

[arista]

No, you didn't say all American overeat, you asked me whether they do. You said "Is everyone prone to overeating in america then?"

If you ever go to the USA you will see that not all outlets serve their meals in buckets. If you eat at burger joints and fast food outlets then you will be overwhelmed with food. But then, not everyone eats fast food every day. The only people responsible for their obesity is the obese person themselves, regardless of portion size.


Yes Some Eat Salads
and are Trim.

But all those Fat Americans
if they got a free gastric band
they would slim down more.


I am sure Kizzy will get to America

[Kizzy]

No, you didn't say all American overeat, you asked me whether they do. You said "Is everyone prone to overeating in america then?"

If you ever go to the USA you will see that not all outlets serve their meals in buckets. If you eat at burger joints and fast food outlets then you will be overwhelmed with food. But then, not everyone eats fast food every day. The only people responsible for their obesity is the obese person themselves, regardless of portion size.

I know what I said livia thankyou. I have seen the food served at these outlets, that is why I raised the issue in this thread.
To return to the initial point, yes I think that gastric bands to those who have exaused other avenues of weightloss should be made available.

[Kizzy]

Yes Some Eat Salads
and are Trim.

But all those Fat Americans
if they got a free gastric band
they would slim down more.


I am sure Kizzy will get to America

Arista there are these amazing things called tellyboxes... You can see what it is like to visit other countries without actually going. ;)
I'm aware that not every single American is obese...haha.
If they were given the opportunity to have one I think most would take it. Even if say 2 thirds maintain a healthy weight due to this it will have a great impact on the US socially and economically.
It does need to be used with education to help them make healthy choices for themselves and their families in the future.
And if they have food issues then that may be easier to address post op, as those who still feel the need to gorge can be identified easier.