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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130303/italian-town-suspends-sponsorship-deal-pistorius-report
The Italian town of Gemona where South African murder-accused Paralympic star Oscar Pistorius used to train has frozen a sponsorship deal with him, a report revealed on Sunday.
Town mayor Paolo Urbani told City Press that a decision to suspend his contract was taken after the athlete was arrested for the alleged murder of his model girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, on Valentine's Day.
In November, the town signed a five-year sponsorship deal with him, worth 15,000 euros ($19,500) per year, the newspaper said.
"The contract with Oscar is suspended. We are not in a hurry to find a new ambassador," Urbani told City Press.
Pistorius was in 2011 appointed by the town as ambassador for its sport programme.
He was to train in Gemona for four months a year under the sponsorship deal, which also covered his accommodation and other expenses.
The town was his training base during the 2011 and 2012 European summers.
This sponsorship might only be small potatoes compared to the Nike deal but its loss is a blow to Pistorius' "reputation".
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Experts-Pistorius-violated-basic-gun-rules-20130226-2
Johannesburg - Even if Oscar Pistorius is acquitted of murder, firearms and legal experts in South Africa believe that, by his own account, the star athlete violated basic gun-handling regulations and exposed himself to a homicide charge by shooting into a closed door without knowing who was behind it.
Particularly jarring for firearms instructors and legal experts is that Pistorius testified that he shot at a closed toilet door, fearing but not knowing for certain that a night time intruder was on the other side.
South Africa has stringent laws regulating the use of lethal force for self-protection.
In order to get a permit to own a firearm, applicants must not only know those rules, but must demonstrate proficiency with the weapon and knowledge of its safe handling, making it far tougher to legally own a gun in South Africa than many other countries where a mere background check suffices.
Pistorius took such a competency test for his 9mm pistol and passed it, according to the police's National Firearms Centre.
Pistorius's license for the 9mm pistol was issued in September 2010. The Olympic athlete and Paralympic medallist should have known that firing blindly, instead of at a clearly identified target, violates basic gun-handling rules, firearms and legal experts said.
"You can't shoot through a closed door," said Andre Pretorius, president of the Professional Firearm Trainers Council, a regulatory body for South African firearms instructors.
"People who own guns and have been through the training, they know that shooting through a door is not going to go through South African law as an accident."
"There is no situation in South Africa that allows a person to shoot at a threat that is not identified," Pretorius added.
"Firing multiple shots, it makes it that much worse. ...It could have been a minor - a 15-year-old kid, a 12-year-old kid - breaking in to get food."
In an affidavit to the magistrate who last Friday freed him on bail, Pistorius said he believed an intruder or intruders had got into his two-storey house, in a guarded and gated community with walls topped by electrified fencing, and were inside the toilet cubicle in his bathroom.
Criminal law experts said that even if the prosecution fails to prove premeditated murder, firing several shots through a closed door could bring a conviction for the lesser but still serious charge of culpable homicide.
Johannesburg attorney Martin Hood, who specialises in firearm law, said South African legislation allows gun owners to use lethal force only if they believe they are facing an immediate, serious and direct attack or threat of attack that could either be deadly or cause grievous injury.
According to Pistorius's own sworn statement read in court, he "did not meet those criteria", said Hood, who is also the spokesperson for the South African Gun Owners' Association.
"If he fired through a closed door, there was no threat to him. It's as simple as that," he added. "He can't prove an attack on his life ... In my opinion, at the very least, he is guilty of culpable homicide."
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-family-amoury-56-1741330
Oscar Pistorius and his family shared 56 guns between just six of them, it has been revealed.
The Blade Runner was licensed to have one gun when he shot dead girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp but had asked for licences for six more, including a Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum, which its makers call “the most powerful production revolver in the world”.
Records in South Africa show the Paralympic gold medallist’s 95-year-old grandfather Henry has 10 guns while his dad Henke, 59, owns four.
Uncle Arnold, 62, whose Pretoria home is where Pistorius, 26, is staying on bail on a charge of murder, owns 10.
Two other uncles, Leo, 51, and Theo, 67, have 31 between them.
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lostalex
04-03-2013, 12:03 PM
Abusive men are like rabid dogs. The most humane thing to do is to just put them down. It's foolish to try to help them. They cannot be changed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/9909367/Oscar-Pistorius-distances-himself-from-fathers-comments-on-the-ANC-and-guns.html
The family of Oscar Pistorius, the Paralympian accused of shooting his girlfriend dead on St Valentine's Day, have distanced themselves from comments by his father Henke that the family had to arm themselves because South Africa's ANC government had failed to tackle rampant crime.
Henke Pistorius told The Telegraph on Sunday that he and other members of his family owned a total of 56 guns because they could not rely on the police to protect them against criminals. He laid the blame for South Africa's violent crime rates, which are among the highest in the world with 15,000 people murdered last year, on the ANC-led state.
"It speaks to the ANC government, look at white crime levels, why protection is so poor in this country, it's an aspect of our society," he said. "You can't rely on the police, not because they are inefficient always but because crime is so rife."
But Arnold Pistorius, Henke's brother and Oscar's uncle, said the family as a whole was "deeply concerned" by the remarks, and strongly refuted the suggestion they blamed the ANC government for crime against white South Africans in particular.
He said that contrary to Mr Pistorius' claim, the family owned firearms "purely for sport and hunting purposes".
"Oscar Pistorius' family is deepy concerned about the comments made by Oscar's father, Henke Pistorius, to the Telegraph about the family using its weapons to defend themselves against crime in South Africa, and especially about his comments that the ANC government is not willing to protect white South Africans," he said in a statement released through the family's official PR machine, run by former Sun editor Stuart Higgins.
"Oscar and the rest of the Pistorius family distances itself from the comments. Henke's interview with the newspaper was unapproved by our media liaison team. The comments don't represent the views of Oscar or the rest of the Pistorius family."
Following the statement by the Pistorius family, the ANC's national spokesman Jackson Mthembu issued one of their own, labelling Henke Pistorius as "racist" and accusing him of seeking to "politicise" a "tragic incident".
"The African National Congress rejects with contempt the accusation made by Henke Pistorius (the father to Oscar Pistorius) to a UK newspaper that 'the ANC government is not willing to protect white South Africans'," Mr Mthembu said.
"Not only is this statement devoid of truth, it is also racist. It is sad that he has chosen to politicise a tragic incident that is still fresh in the minds of those affected and the public. This tragic incident has affected two families that are still trying to come to terms with what happened and this latest racist slur is not assisting these families. We think it is ill-advisable for anyone to start apportioning undue blame."
Mr Mthembu said the entire issue should be left to the courts. Mr Pistorius is next due to appear at Pretoria Magistrates Court in June ahead of an eventual trial expected later this year.
"The ANC believes that the Pistorius and Steenkamp matter is in the capable hands of our competent courts who are expected to handle the matter objectively and in accordance with our laws," he said. "Any speculation can only prejudice the case.
"We welcome the statement of the Pistorius family that distances Oscar and his family from the statement made by Henke Pistorius. The ANC believes that this is a difficult period that both families are going through. We call on South Africans to desist from wild and prejudiced speculation. Let us give our courts a chance to deal with this matter."
While Henke Pistorius sat behind his son throughout his four-day bail hearing at Pretoria magistrate's court last month, frequently touching him on the shoulder when he broke down in tears, he is understood to have been estranged from the athlete and his siblings at times in their life. He and Mr Pistorius' mother are believed to have separated before she died when Oscar Pistorius was 15.
Call for Reputation Management !
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I began to take and interest in the news items on all this, but I just feel he is now going to walk away scott free from it all no matter whether an accident or not, Guilty of murder or not.
I began to take and interest in the news items on all this, but I just feel he is now going to walk away scott free from it all no matter whether an accident or not, Guilty of murder or not.
Yeah, Reputation Management have got everything under control ..... :sad:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/03/oscar-pistorius-home-where-girlfriend-was-fatally-shot-may-be-evidence-in-the-trial/
Oscar Pistorius‘ luxury home in Eastern Pretoria, where he allegedly shot and killed his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, may be used as evidence against him when his trial on charges of premeditated murder start, ABC News has learned.
Crime scene cleaners say they have been informed by the South African Police Service that no one will be allowed into the house as it will remain a crime scene up until the hearing starts.
Eileen De Jager, owner of a private company, Crime Scene Clean-Ups, said police have told her that the trial judge and other court officials may want to visit the house to clear up any misunderstandings that might arise when the case is heard.
Police officials refused to confirm or deny that, saying it might jeopardize their case if they show their cards now.
They have, however denied claims by Pistorius’ private forensic team that they’re being prevented from examining the door through which Pistorius allegedly shot Steenkamp.
Steenkamp and Pistorius’ cellphones will play a central role when the trial starts. Forensic experts will also use data collected from the scene to reconstruct the events that played out in the early hours of Valentine’s day.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21705374
Hilton Botha, the former lead detective in the Oscar Pistorius inquiry, has resigned, South African police confirm.
Det Botha was dropped from the investigation in February after it emerged that he was facing attempted murder charges in another case.
He has also been heavily criticised for giving contradictory evidence at the bail hearing of Mr Pistorius.
Not surprising if the prosecutors want a proper job done ..... :pipe:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/oscar-pistorius-set-to-fight-stringent-bail-conditions-8527228.html
Paralympian Oscar Pistorius will fight the stringent bail conditions set after he was charged with murdering his girlfriend, his defence team says.
The athlete’s defence team has confirmed that they lodged papers at the North Gauteng High Court today to modify the restrictions imposed by a lower court, but refused to give details.
Local television station eNCA, which reported the application, described several modifications to Pistorius’ bail conditions that the athlete’s defence team is hoping a judge will agree to.
The original restrictions include supervision by a probation officer, alongside compulsory drug and alcohol testing. Magistrate Desmond Nair also imposed travel restrictions, both within and beyond South Africa’s borders, prohibiting Pistorius from returning to the his Silver Woods estate home where the shooting took place. Nair expressed concerns that Pistorius would interfere with potential witnesses – and the investigation.
Pistorius reportedly wants all of these conditions relaxed, claiming they are unwarranted and unfair. eNCA reported that the Paralympian wants to be able to travel abroad with police permission, given that during his bail application Magistrate Nair found that he was not a proven flight risk, sparking speculation that he may want to re-enter the competitive athletic circuit.
No doubt that he "wants his life back", something not available to Reeve Steenkamp, the woman he killed less than a month ago ..... :hmph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/9918086/Oscar-Pistorius-Hilton-Botha-defends-himself.html
Hilton Botha, the police officer ridiculed after bungling the initial investigation into the case against Oscar Pistorius, has said he was put under unfair pressure because South Africa's police service failed to provide enough resources to the high-profile case.
Mr Botha announced on Thursday that he was leaving the force to work as the head of security for a Pretoria construction firm, just weeks after he was removed from the case following a lacklustre performance in the witness box at Pistorius' bail hearing. It also emerged that he faced trial on manslaughter charges himself for shooting at a minibus while on duty.
Mr Botha told South Africa's Times newspaper that he was confident he had done a good job on the Pistorius case despite his performance in court, and that Pistorius, 26, was guilty of the premeditated murder he has now been charged with.
But he lamented the fact that it took his sacking to prompt South Africa's police commissioner to place senior staff on the case - one of the biggest in the country's legal history.
"Right from the beginning they knew how serious and high-profile this case was," he was quoted as saying. "They could have helped a lot earlier than they did. Having a senior general on the case would have seen things being done and reports completed a lot sooner. I don't need this in my life. If I can get out of it I am going to."
Why would "a Pretoria construction firm" appoint a bungling detective and alleged killer as "the head of security" ..... :conf:
http://www.espn.co.uk/athletics/sport/story/196908.html#27E7pGeCQZbh6bbb.99
Oscar Pistorius is "on the verge of suicide" as he struggles to deal with his impending murder trial, according to a close friend of the South African runner.
Pistorius, 26, is currently on bail - as he prepares to stand trial for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, after she was shot dead in the bathroom of his house in February.
Pistorius, who maintains that he believed Steenkamp was an intruder and shot her by mistake, will next appear in court on June 4.
A close friend of the Olympian, Mike Azzie, is worried Pistorius is increasingly struggling to cope with his current circumstances - as he sells off his assets in order to pay for the spiralling legal fees involved with his case.
Speaking to documentary makers, for a programme set to air on BBC3 on Monday, Azzie described Pistorius as "a broken man".
"I would say that, just speaking to him, that he is a broken man and that I would go as far to say that he would be on the verge of suicide. It really worries me."
I wonder what this "documentary" will be about ..... :conf:
Maybe some "spin" from VRM ..... :puzzled:
I thought he came from money, his family aren't too badly off, so why is he having to sell assets? Surely he himself must have quite a bit of savings stashed away by now?
lostalex
10-03-2013, 06:45 PM
I thought he came from money, his family aren't too badly off, so why is he having to sell assets? Surely he himself must have quite a bit of savings stashed away by now?
because buying your innocence ain't cheap, even in South Africa.
I thought he came from money, his family aren't too badly off, so why is he having to sell assets? Surely he himself must have quite a bit of savings stashed away by now?
If Pistorius has already run into financial trouble over legal costs (allegedly £200k so far) then he was ill-advised to take on a highly expensive legal team for a case which will last weeks, maybe months ..... :idc:
His main source of income, his "career", has now been curtailed, probably for ever, even if he "gets off", for no sponsor would want to be associated with a self-confessed "ladykiller" ..... :eek:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2291436/Oscar-Pistorius-lawyers-file-appeal-bail-restrictions.html
Lawyers for Oscar Pistorius have filed an appeal in a South African court against bail restrictions imposed on the Olympian, who is charged with murdering his girlfriend, according to papers released by the Pistorius family on Monday.
'The conditions appealed against are unwarranted and not substantiated by the facts,' said the appeal, which was filed Friday in Pretoria, the South African capital.
The appeal reflected the robust defense strategy of lawyers for Pistorius, who has been staying at his uncle Arnold's home in a Pretoria suburb since he was released on bail on Feb. 22.
It is a delicate balance because the Pistorius family has also sought to keep a low profile, expressing sorrow for the death of Reeva Steenkamp.
The appeal was prepared by Ramsay Webber, a legal firm based in Johannesburg.
In the papers, lawyers for the double-amputee athlete argued against the requirement that he surrender all passports and travel documents, and refrain from applying for such documents pending the end of his case.
The lawyers said evidence presented at the athlete's bail hearing showed he is not a flight risk and should have the option of traveling outside South Africa as long as he has official permission.
The appeal also said there was 'no basis in fact or in law' justifying terms under which Pistorius must be supervised by a probation officer and a correctional official.
The appeal against the bail conditions also objected to the requirement that Pistorius refrain from using alcohol or any banned substance, even though he had no intention of doing so.
'The mere use of any substance with alcohol in it will give rise to a transgression of the wide condition imposed,' the appeal said.
In addition, the runner should be allowed access to the property at Silverwoods Country Estate where he shot Steenkamp, once the state completes its investigations there within a 'reasonable time limit,' according to Pistorius' legal camp.
A killer who wants to have his cake and eat it, too ..... :rolleyes:
You have got to be joking, of course he is a risk of fleeing, surely anyone would be in that situation, I hope thast request is denied. They are on cloud cuckoo land.
BBC3 9:00 PM, Monday 11th March 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rb2y0/Oscar_Pistorius_What_Really_Happened/
Police say the death of Reeva Steenkamp was premeditated murder. The accused, her boyfriend Oscar Pistorius, says it was an innocent accident. A documentary team has been in Pretoria, South Africa, digging deeper into a death that shocked the world.
Presented by Rick Edwards, who covered Pistorius's gold-medal winning, world record-breaking achievements at the London 2012 Paralympics, the programme features interviews with friends of both the victim and the accused. Aged 26, Oscar Pistorius is the poster boy of the Paralympics movement - his prosthetic lower legs have given him the nickname Blade Runner. So fast and powerful, he became the first the first double leg amputee to participate in the Olympics, competing in the 400m and 4x400m relay.
But since that glorious summer, reports have emerged of a different side of Oscar Pistorius - involved in brawls and late night fracas. Observers note that when setting bail, the judge made it conditional that until he returns to court in June, Pistorius must not consume alcohol and will be randomly tested to ensure he complies.
Featuring special 3-D graphics, sworn testimony and exclusive interviews, the film attempts to give the most complete picture yet of what may have happened in Oscar Pistorius's apartment in the early hours of February 14th.
Duration 60 minutes
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I'm a bit tempted to watch that, but am thinking that won't come away from watching that any the wiser than we have been from the media reporting.
I'm a bit tempted to watch that, but am thinking that won't come away from watching that any the wiser than we have been from the media reporting.
Yeah, it'll probably be a (sympathetic) summary of events so far ..... anything specific to the court case will be held in reserve.
Well, the "documentary" wasn't as slanted as I thought it would be.
There was, obviously, nothing "new", but watching video of locations and people involved put reports of the killing into context.
The implication of the presentation was that Reeva was flawless and Pistorius wasn't.
2 points stuck in my mind - Reeva took her mobile phone into the toilet with her (why?) and Pistorius' statement of his version of events cannot be changed without seriously damaging the credibility of his defence.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/11/tv-review-oscar-pistorius-reeva-steenkamp-rick-edwards_n_2856010.html
There can be no doubt, the change in Pistorius' fortunes over the last six months has been dramatic - from Paralympics poster boy to murder suspect currently on bail. What this programme revealed was how victim Reeva Steenkamp could match him for glamour, and how their partnership delighted tabloid editors across South Africa.
And while the headlines during the trial have detailed every eyebrow twitch of the athlete and his family, this programme helped balance the account by focusing on the victim of the tragedy. 2012 had been Reeva's breakout year. She'd impressed viewers of 'Fantasy Island' reality show with bubbly enthusiasm, and cheered her friends with kindness. There were no bad words to be heard, and it was moving hearing the pretty model speak to camera about how one should make one's exit from this world - "in a positive way".
Weaker was the account of what actually happened on the night of Valentine's Day, when Steenkamp was shot by Pistorius, either deliberately or accidentally, depending on whom you listen to.
Nevertheless, this programme had lots of colourful footage to complement the striking but still images we've had from the courtroom thus far, and the television hour fulfilled what it promised on the tin - simply asked the question again: What did really happen?
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Shasown
12-03-2013, 05:28 AM
Well, the "documentary" wasn't as slanted as I thought it would be.
There was, obviously, nothing "new", but watching video of locations and people involved put reports of the killing into context.
The implication of the presentation was that Reeva was flawless and Pistorius wasn't.
2 points stuck in my mind - Reeva took her mobile phone into the toilet with her (why?) and Pistorius' statement of his version of events cannot be changed without seriously damaging the credibility of his defence.
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Is that the case for the prosecution?
PMSL he will walk (ooops wrong words maybe?)
Is that the case for the prosecution?
No.
Reeva met ex-boyfriend for coffee 2 days before she was shot dead by Pistorius
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-case-reeve-steenkamp-1757025
Reeva Steenkamp met an ex-boyfriend shortly before she was killed by lover Oscar Pistorius – who kept phoning her as they chatted.
The 29-year-old model dated vegetable exporter Warren Lahoud, 27, for five years and never lost touch, it was revealed today.
Mr Lahoud asked about the phone interruptions as the pair drank a coffee two days before the Valentine’s Day killing.
He said: “I said, ‘Is everything ok? I mean he’s phoned twice already, every 20 minutes’.
"I asked her that question. She said, ‘there’s nothing wrong’.”
He added: “She didn’t seem unhappy. She always said that she wouldn’t be with anybody who she felt unhappy with.
“Reeva had a beautiful loving heart, she gave everything, and was friendly to everyone. She really made you feel good and welcome.”
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lostalex
12-03-2013, 11:17 AM
It seems that supporters of Arista support the murderer Oscar Pistorious. They seem to think he might be innocent
Lee supports absolute justice for the murderer Oscar Pistorious. She believes abusive men should be brought to justice.
the truth
12-03-2013, 11:39 AM
what pistorius did was insane. hes guilty of murder. whether he meant to kill his girlfriend I dont know, but the whole macho gun culture makes me sick. if his story is true? why did she not answer him back from the toilet? where is the missing door? that alone can prove whether he had legs on when he fored the bullets? why didnt he notice she was in bed when he went to get his gun?
at best hes guilty of reckless manslaughter, at worst cold blooded murder
It seems that supporters of Arista support the murderer Oscar Pistorious. They seem to think he might be innocent
Lee supports absolute justice for the murderer Oscar Pistorious. She believes abusive men should be brought to justice.
Surely there will be supporters in all parties holding different views on stuff as is the way of the World. Or are you saying you are supporting a party that is as cute as fluffy bunnies, never does a thing wrong, or sets a foot wrong party, and you agree with all their policies? Because surely that would make you a sheep to that party? All parties will have stuff others agree or disagree on, Alex, as in everyday politics. As for this news item, I don't know all the facts, as many of us won't, but on what I have read so far, my own opinion is that Oscar Pistorious could well be guilty of pre meditated murder, however that is not for me to decide. And oh yes, I am a supporter of Arista. So can you take back that misguided statement about us please :) Thanking you ;)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/mar/12/oscar-pistorius-documentary-tv-ratings
BBC3's fast turnaround documentary about Oscar Pistorius was watched by more than a million viewers, giving it a peaktime win over Channel 5.
Oscar Pistorius – What Really Happened? had 1.08 million viewers, a 4.3% share of the audience between 9pm and 10pm on Monday.
I expect they will repeat it, so might watch it if they do then.
lostalex
12-03-2013, 02:36 PM
Surely there will be supporters in all parties holding different views on stuff as is the way of the World. Or are you saying you are supporting a party that is as cute as fluffy bunnies, never does a thing wrong, or sets a foot wrong party, and you agree with all their policies? Because surely that would make you a sheep to that party? All parties will have stuff others agree or disagree on, Alex, as in everyday politics. As for this news item, I don't know all the facts, as many of us won't, but on what I have read so far, my own opinion is that Oscar Pistorious could well be guilty of pre meditated murder, however that is not for me to decide. And oh yes, I am a supporter of Arista. So can you take back that misguided statement about us please :) Thanking you ;)
Are you supporting the murderer Pistorious or not?
Cherie
12-03-2013, 02:37 PM
I expect they will repeat it, so might watch it if they do then.
its on catch up if you have virgin Suze. Probably on iplayer as well.
Vanessa
12-03-2013, 02:39 PM
This case is so tragic. :(
lostalex
12-03-2013, 02:42 PM
Did i say something wrong? Did I have a point of view??? OOPS i didn't know i couldn't talk about YOU!
OOPS *shot in the head* now i'm DEAD.
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its on catch up if you have virgin Suze. Probably on iplayer as well.
I watched it on iPlayer ..... :thumbs:
Are you supporting the murderer Pistorious or not?
As you can see, my views on this case are quite clear in my last post that you quoted, Alex, hence maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions before stating what you did really.
its on catch up if you have virgin Suze. Probably on iplayer as well.
I watched it on iPlayer ..... :thumbs:
IPlayer it is then. Will watch it later :)
the truth
13-03-2013, 04:38 AM
again this isnt merely a male v female issue alone....gun culture is rife in a africa even worse than the usa....the murder rate is off the charts...once u allow too many guns then everyone wants one for even more protection, its a never ending downward spirral....clearly the legas system in sa is bent as a corkscrew..the cop is bent and also is murder suspect, osars brother has been involved in a similar situation, even the crucial evidence such as the bathroom door appears to have been taken away? again the whole gun culture is promoted and exploited by the rich........they sell their automatic weapons at twice the rate, making billions, the poor masses fight and kil amongst each other.......its divide and conquer by any other name
http://zeenews.india.com/sports/others/pistorius-trophies-lay-across-home-floor-on-night-of-steenkamp-s-murder_758203.html
Pistorius’ trophies lay across home floor on night of Steenkamp’s murderLondon: In a further shock for murder-accused Paralympian Oscar Pistorius, police investigating the death of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp have reportedly revealed that they had found Pistorius’ prized trophies strewn across the floor of the Pretoria home on the night Steenkamp was shot dead.
According to the investigators, the awards, of which some were broken, may point to a row between Pistorius and Steenkamp before he ‘accidentally’ shot her four times.
According to a police source, they are still trying to establish whether the awards might have ended up around his home during an alleged dispute, adding that in a normal situation, the trophies would have been in a good condition and showcased on shelves or in cabinets. A 2010 ‘at home’ magazine article showed a row of Pistorius’ silverware lined up neatly on top of a wall-mounted cabinet.
It has been revealed that his guard dogs were at home and there had been no *burglaries at the complex in Pretoria, South Africa, for more than two years, the report added.
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Shasown
18-03-2013, 01:27 AM
http://zeenews.india.com/sports/others/pistorius-trophies-lay-across-home-floor-on-night-of-steenkamp-s-murder_758203.html
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Many thanks for the update Omah :idc:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-girlfriend-left-traumatised-1771045
Reeva Steenkamp was left traumatised by a burglary two years ago when she hid in a locked bedroom, her family have revealed.
The incident echoes her Valentine’s Day killing by Oscar Pistorius.
Reeva, 29, had received therapy after raiders smashed their way into her Johannesburg apartment and ransacked it while she hid.
Her uncle Mike Steenkamp said that trauma may have influenced what unfolded when she died. He said: “Two years ago it was the same style of locking [herself] in.”
Paralympian Pistorius, 26, claims he shot Reeva three times, thinking she was a burglar hiding in his toilet.
His defence team said he shouted for girlfriend Reeva to call the police, unaware it was her in the bathroom.
But police in South Africa say she ran to the toilet in fright and locked herself in after the couple argued.
Following the report in the previous post, this disclosure adds a further dimension to the killing of Reeva by Pistorius.
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Nedusa
18-03-2013, 03:52 AM
All the available evidence in this case points to the bleeding obvious , it's like Occams Razor, where the simplest solution is probably the correct one. I think he definitely shot her no question, the burglary story is nonsense , the question should be did be set out to murder her or did a domestic escalate , either way he is guilty of manslaughter and should receive a significant prison term....!!!
Ps just back from Australia - why is the weather in UK so cold ??
http://ewn.co.za/2013/03/21/NPA-Pistorius-lawyers-consider-bail-case-date
JOHANNESBURG - The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) today said a date for murder accused Oscar Pistorius' bail conditions appeal is now on the table.
Pistorius' lawyers previously confirmed they filed a submission appealing several of the Paralympian's bail conditions.
The Pretoria Magistrate’s Court released the Blade Runner on R1million bail for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp in February.
Steenkamp died from gun shots at Pistorius’ home in Pretoria on Valentine's Day.
His bail conditions include restrictions on alcohol, international travel and his ability to return to his Pretoria home.
The NPA's spokesperson Medupi Simasiku said the authority and Pistorius’ defence team jointly suggested a new date for the appeal.
“We currently don’t have any date. The date that was originally suggested was 22 March but that did not materialise so now 28 March has been suggested.”
:idc:
http://ewn.co.za/2013/03/22/NPA-confirms-tentative-court-date-for-Pistorius
PRETORIA - The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) today confirmed next Thursday as a tentative date for murder accused Oscar Pistorius to appeal his bail conditions.
Advocate Kenny Oldwage confirmed that his client will not be in court for proceedings.
One of the main arguments will be that the defence team was not allowed to address the court on the appropriateness of the conditions before they were handed down.
In court papers, the defence team says Magistrate Desmond Nair imposed conditions on Pistorius, which are inconsistent with his findings that he is not a flight risk.
http://news.yahoo.com/pistorius-brothers-both-court-dates-next-week-114320579--oly.html
JOHANNESBURG (AP) — Oscar Pistorius' appeal against his bail conditions will be heard on the same day his older brother Carl is due in another South African court to stand trial for culpable homicide.
Carl's trial is set for Wednesday and Thursday next week in a court south of Johannesburg, the lawyer and prosecutors said.
The concurrent cases will thrust the family into another media frenzy, even if multiple Paralympic champion Oscar — charged with murder in the shooting death of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp last month — is not required to appear at his bail appeal.
Family lawyer Kenny Oldwadge told The Associated Press on Friday they now have confirmation from the North Gauteng High Court that the appeal is scheduled for March 28 at that High Court, where Oscar's defense team will challenge his travel restrictions and the requirement that he must report twice a week to a police station, among other conditions.
The next part of the 26-year-old runner's sensational case — which continues to grip South Africans and much of the world — will take place while brother Carl is in Vanderbijlpark Magistrate's Court facing a culpable homicide charge for alleged negligent driving in the death of a 36-year-old woman in a road collision in 2008.
The 28-year-old Carl denies the charges and Oldwadge said he would lead Carl's defense at the trial.
The concurrent dates for the Pistorius brothers had also stretched the family's legal team, Oldwadge said, and provided them with significant logistical problems as they prepared for cases in the two cities.
"We didn't suggest it (the date for Oscar's appeal) but we were forced into it because of the need to get the appeal heard as soon as possible," Oldwadge said.
He said there was "no need" for Oscar to appear in court in the bail appeal.
Oscar's legal team filed an appeal against some of his bail conditions on March 7, objecting to him being not allowed to travel outside of South Africa even though a magistrate said he was not a flight risk when granting him 1 million rand ($108,000) bail last month. They're also challenging an alcohol ban and a ruling that Pistorius cannot speak with residents at the gated Silverwoods Country Estate, where he shot Steenkamp dead in his house in the early hours of Feb. 14.
Pistorius' lawyers say he should be able to consult with residents to be able to prepare his defense. He denies the murder charge. They also object to the ruling that he has to report twice a week to the Brooklyn Police Station in Pretoria, where he was held after his arrest.
Pistorius has been staying at his uncle's house in an upmarket Pretoria suburb since he was released on bail. He must appear in court again on June 4, but his lawyers argued in their appeal that forcing him to go to the police station only serves to "expose" him with "no added benefit to the criminal justice system."
Oscar Pistorius hasn't been seen in public since he was granted bail at Pretoria Magistrate's Court on Feb. 22.
State prosecutors believe they have a case against Carl, who they argue was driving negligently, National Prosecuting Authority spokesman Medupe Simasiku told the AP on Friday.
Simasiku said the older Pistorius brother was driving a Ford Ranger SUV in March 2008 when he collided with a female motorcyclist. The woman, Marietjie Barnard, died in a hospital and although the culpable homicide charge against Carl was initially dropped, it was reinstated this year because forensic evidence and reports from the accident scene were now available, Simasiku said.
"According to the investigation we have, there is a case against (Carl) Pistorius," Simasiku said.
The Pistorius family said last month that Carl deeply regretted the incident but insisted it was a "tragic accident." He was not under the influence of alcohol, the family said.
Simasiku, who is the spokesman for the prosecution in both Pistorius cases, also said the scheduling of legal proceedings involving both brothers in the same week was not intentional.
"(Carl's trial) was scheduled way before Oscar," he said. "People may think ... that we were trying to run them concurrently. The case has been there for a very long time, scheduled way before the younger brother. It has nothing to do with Oscar."
Ladykillers ..... :suspect:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-reeva-steenkamps-mother-1786463
The heartbroken mother of Reeva Steenkamp has spoken of her grief over her daughter's death, saying she never wants to see Oscar Pistorius again.
June Steenkamp and husband Barry are still coming to terms with their loss, after 30-year-old Reeva was shot dead at the Paralympian's home on Valentine's Day.
Mrs Steenkamp told Grazia magazine said: "He (Pistorius) still has his thoughts. He still has to answer for this. I don't want anything from him.
"What could he say to me? My daughter is dead and nothing is going to change that. I don't ever want to see him.
"My biggest regret is that Reeva will never have a wedding day. She'll never have a child. This is forever. It's the end."
Mr Steenkamp said he hopes that he will know all the facts of what happened after the court case and have the strength to look Pistorius in the eye.
"I just feel it 's necessary. For closure," he said.
They plan to scatter her ashes in the sea at Bloubergstrand with Table Mountain in the background, according to Grazia.
Their contact with Pistorius is now only through lawyers.
:sad:
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/pistoriuss-brother-faces-death-trial-589318.html
The brother of athlete Oscar Pistorius is standing trial in South Africa today over the death of a woman in a road accident in 2008.
Carl Pistorius arrived at Vanderbijlpark Magistrates’ Court in Johannesburg to face a charge of culpable homicide, or unlawful, negligent killing.
He was accompanied by his sister, Aimee. There was no sign of Oscar.
:idc:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/brother-of-oscar-pistorius-faces-road-death-trial-8551199.html
Initial proceedings in Carl Pistorius's case today focused on a request by South Africa's national broadcaster, SABC, to show the trial proceedings live on television or record them for later use.
Magistrate Buks du Plessis said reporters could attend the trial but turned down the SABC request, saying he wanted to guard against "emotional hype" and that any public interest in the trial stemmed only from the intense interest in the murder case against Oscar Pistorius. News photographers were not allowed to cover the trial while it was in session.
"He's not a celebrity in his own right," Mr du Plessis said of Oscar's brother. Addressing Carl Pistorius, the magistrate then said: "Apologies to you, sir."
Carl Pistorius smiled and nodded.
Prosecutors say Carl Pistorius was driving an SUV in March 2008 when he collided with a female motorcyclist. The woman, Marietjie Barnard, died in hospital.
Although the culpable homicide charge against Carl was initially dropped, it was reinstated this year because forensic evidence and reports from the accident scene became available, according to prosecutors.
Apologising to a killer ..... :hmph:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/pistorius-brother-denies-car-death-29159335.html
The brother of Oscar Pistorius has pleaded not guilty to killing a woman motorcyclist in a road crash. Carl Pistorius denied culpable homicide or negligent killing and also to two alternative charges of driving in a reckless and inconsiderate manner.
The older brother of double-amputee Olympian Oscar Pistorius was accompanied by their younger sister, Aimee, and other relatives and friends for the first day of his trial at a court in Vanderbijlpark, south of Johannesburg.
Carl and Aimee arrived separately at the court but left together at the end of the hering and declined to comment. Carl chewed gum and spoke just once during the proceedings to plead not guilty to the main charge and the two alternative charges.
Asked by Magistrate Buks du Plessis if he understood the main charge of culpable homicide against him, the 28-year-old Carl Pistorius replied: "I do, your worship, and I plead not guilty."
Prosecutors say Carl Pistorius was driving 4x4 in March 2008 when he hit a motorcyclist in Vanderbijlpark. The woman, Maria Barnard, died in hospital six days after the accident.
In court Mr Oldwadge said Carl Pistorius claimed that 36-year-old Ms Barnard, a member of a local motorcycling club, was intoxicated at the time of the accident and had been drinking during the day. He said she was the one driving recklessly.
Carl must return to the Vanderbijlpark court next Wednesday.
Surely if the woman was drunk there's be no charges against Pistorius ...... :conf:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/28/oscar-pistorius-permission-leave-south-africa
A South African judge has ruled that Oscar Pistorius, who is charged with murdering his girlfriend, can leave South Africa to compete in international athletics competitions.
Lawyers for the Olympic and Paralympic athlete had appealed against some of his bail restrictions on Thursday, saying he might eventually need to return to track competition to earn money.
They argued that their client, who is charged with premeditated murder after shooting his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp dead on 14 February, was being treated as a flight risk even though a magistrate ruled last month that he was not when he released the double-amputee runner on bail.
The court has, however, imposed conditions on Pistorius should he wish to travel. He must provide authorities with his travel plans at least a week before he leaves the country, and must return his passport to the court within 24 hours of returning to South Africa.
The lawyer Barry Roux said Pistorius had no desire to return to the track now, but "this might and this will change".
I doubt that self-admitted "Ladykiller" Pistorius will get any invitations to sports meetings with a murder charge attached to his name and a court case pending ..... :nono:
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/oscar-pistorius-s-bail-restrictions-eased-347714
Judge Bert Bam also ruled in favor of Pistorius on three other conditions.
He no longer has to be regularly supervised by a probation official
A ban against him drinking alcohol was lifted.
Bam also slammed one of the bail conditions imposed by another judge, saying that a condition that he would be in breach of his bail if he was accused of another crime against women was "fraud." It went against Pistorius' constitutional right to be innocent until proven guilty, and being accused of a crime should not count against him, Bam said in a ruling that came three hours after the hearing began.
Another two restrictions should be disregarded, the judge said.
That he was not allowed to return to his house, where he shot Steenkamp dead on Feb. 14
That had to report regularly to a police station
It meant Pistorius' legal team succeeded in all its appeals. Pistorius' lawyers smiled after the judge ruled in their favor.
Pistorius' next court appearance is June 4, when the prosecution would aim to serve indictments, chief prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court. Nel said there is a possibility that Pistorius' trial will begin by the end of the year.
They'll be returning the bail bond with interest next ..... :rolleyes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/disability-sport/21967852
Oscar Pistorius might consider competing at this year's World Athletics Championships in Moscow, his agent has told the Associated Press.
The 26-year-old athlete, who has run at both the Olympics and Paralympics, is charged with murdering his girlfriend but will be allowed to travel abroad after challenging his bail terms.
"If he is up for it and qualifies, the World Championships will definitely be on the radar," Peet van Zyl told AP.
The event will be held in August.
The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF), which is the body responsible for the World Championships, told BBC Sport he would be "free to run" in Moscow in August on the "basis of the 'innocent until proven guilty' principle".
However, Nova, who organise the Manchester City Games, to be held on 25 May and which Pistorius pulled out of, said there were "no plans to invite him over".
The International Paralympic Committee told BBC Sport it would discuss the matter of Pistorius competing again following the Easter break.
Erm, Pistorius is NOT "innocent" - he has admitted shooting his girlfriend several times and killing her - the pending court case is only to establish whether it was an "accident" or whether he meant to ..... :pipe:
Me. I Am Salman
28-03-2013, 06:30 PM
this is only because he's ****ing famous, not right at all
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/28/oscar-pistorius-athletics-bail-conditions
The sporting world seemed poised to give the cold shoulder to Oscar Pistorius after a court in South Africa allowed the Olympic and Paralympic star to return to international competition.
Organisers of major athletics meetings now face a dilemma over whether to invite the 26-year-old to race. Many privately admit that they are reluctant to welcome Pistorius, who is awaiting trial for the murder of his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, at his home last month.
British Athletics declined to comment on the issue, but sources close to the governing body say Pistorius is unlikely to receive an invitation to run at the London Anniversary Games, to be held in the Olympic Stadium on 27 July, or at the Birmingham Grand Prix on 30 June.
The official line from the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF), the sport's governing body, is that it will not dictate to meeting organisers which athletes they invite to their events. But it is believed that any organisers who do invite Pistorius will risk incurring the wrath of the authorities, who fear an onslaught of negative publicity for the sport.
Headlines like "Pistorius - Killer On The Run" would certainly be negative ..... :hmph:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21972831
The uncle of the South African sprinter Oscar Pistorius has defended his nephew, after the Paralympic star won concessions in his bail conditions over the shooting of his girlfriend, Reeva Steencamp.
In a television interview, Arnold Pistorius said that his nephew did not want to go out in public "because he is not ready."
"He doesn't want to be treated as a criminal because he is not a criminal. He's a good-natured, soft-hearted person"
Well. on the night of February 14th he intended to kill someone behind a closed door and, by his own account, he didn't care who was there - that's not very "good-natured", is it? ..... :rolleyes:
It seems that the whole Pistorius family and their team of publicists and lawyers don't or won't accept that the man is a "ladykiller" - next, we'll have pictures of him with helpless babies and puppies ..... :shrug:
lostalex
29-03-2013, 06:27 PM
I've already surrendered to the fact that he will be found innocent. so i'm already letting go of this case. I don't think it's right, but i'm not going to allow myself to get emotionally invested.
R.I.P. Reeva.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-would-welcomed-back-1795045
Oscar Pistorius would be welcomed back to the track despite facing a murder charge for killing his girlfriend, his agent claimed today.
It is understood organisers of the London Anniversary Games in July are uneasy about inviting the double-amputee to Britain, while agent Peet van Zyl described reports he could compete in the World Championships in Moscow two weeks later as “jumping the gun”.
But van Zyl said the South African star - dubbed the Blade Runner - would not be short of offers if he decides to return to the international athletics scene.
Pistorius’ legal team last week won a court battle to allow him to travel Van Zyl said: “Once he’s ready and he feels he’s up for training again we will have him back on the track.
“I think the World Championships, realistically, is a bit jumping the gun at this point in time, but you never know.
“He’s a world class athlete and if he does compete again this season and achieves a qualification time then obviously that is something that one would have to consider, but I think it’s a bit early days to make that kind of comment.
“I think if we look at Oscar and also athletes in general that’s where they’re the happiest people - when they’re on the track, training or in the gym. So, maybe it might be a good thing for him.
“I have received emails from various meeting directors showing their support and condolences for Oscar and wishing him well through this tough time and they hope one day to see him back on the track.
“When the time is right we will approach competitions and I’m sure there will be guys out there who will be willing to have him back out on their track.”
Critics say such a move before any trial would be disrespectful to the memory of Reeva Steenkamp, the girlfriend he shot and killed in the early hours of Valentine’s Day.
It seems that Pistorius' "people" just don't see him as a "killer" and are not even considering the possibility of conviction and a jail sentence ..... :shrug:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/4868006/Oscar-Pistorius-sets-D-day-on-when-hell-return-to-the-track.html
OSCAR PISTORIUS’ agent has insensitively claimed rumours of a return are “jumping the gun”.
Peet van Zyl used the phrase amid suggestions the runner may compete at the World Championships in Moscow in August.
Van Zyl said: “People are jumping the gun. Maybe he will start training after the trial or he will never train again.”
OSCAR Pistorius will sit down tomorrow and decide when to get back on the track.
Van Zyl admitted that Pistorius had NOT been training since the shooting but insisted: “If he qualifies for Moscow, and then on the basis of innocent until proven guilty, he will be free to run. We will sit down on Tuesday to talk about it.”
Pistorius is not "innocent", he's a self-admitted killer who denies deliberately blasting his girlfriend with bullets ..... :idc:
Jesus.
01-04-2013, 12:40 AM
:idc: :pipe:
:idc: :pipe:
Jesus.H.Christ ..... your responses are, IMO, immature, even for one of my "stalkers" ..... :bored:
Scarlett.
01-04-2013, 12:46 AM
Jesus.H.Christ ..... your responses are, IMO, immature ..... :bored:
:shocked:
Jack_
01-04-2013, 12:48 AM
Oh how lovely Jesus, you're one of his 'stalkers' too. What a beautiful club this is.
Except of course it's more called being observant than a stalker...but hey :)
Oh how lovely Jesus, you're one of his 'stalkers' too. What a beautiful club this is.
Except of course it's more called being observant than a stalker...but hey :)
Et tu, Jack_ ..... :rolleyes:
Jesus.
01-04-2013, 12:59 AM
Jesus.H.Christ ..... your responses are, IMO, immature, even for one of my "stalkers" ..... :bored:
:pipe:
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/pistorius-trial-resumes-1.1494609#.UVvfaBRwavE
Johannesburg - The culpable homicide trial of Carl Pistorius resumes in the Vanderbijlpark Magistrate's Court on Wednesday.
:idc:
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/04/03/skidmark-contradicts-witness-statement-carl-pistorius-defence
A State witness's version of what happened in a 2008 road accident in which Maria Barnard died was questioned by the attorney of Carl Pistorius, brother of murder-accused Oscar Pistorius.
"The real evidence shows that your verbal evidence is improbable," Kenny Oldwage put it to motorbiker Anton Coetzee in the Vanderbijlpark Magistrate's Court.
Coetzee responded: "I hear what you are saying, but I cannot agree."
Oldwage: "Why is it so hard to concede that you are wrong? Mr Coetzee do you confirm that this [photographic evidence] does not support your evidence?"
Coetzee conceded it did.
Oldwage presented the court with photographs of the accident scene taken days after Pistorius' bakkie and Barnard's motorbike collided in 2008.
Coetzee recalled the events that led to the accident on March 27, saying there was nothing Barnard could do to avoid bumping into Pistorius who had "suddenly swerved".
He said the bakkie was halfway over the white middle-lane and the bike hit the bakkie's tail-light.
Oldwage put it to Coetzee that according to police and the photograph, the skidmark from the motorbike was 18.3 metres long, showing that Barnard did try to brake.
He said this contradicted Coetzee's version that the accident happened too fast and that there was nothing Barnard could do.
Oldwage accused Coetzee of being selective in giving evidence, pre-empting, and being dishonest.
"Mr Coetzee, you are toying with my client's liberties, you are under oath."
Coetzee said he would not comment when Oldwage put it to him that the motorbike was travelling "at no less than 147km/h".
Pistorius, dressed in a black suit, sat in the dock occasionally making notes, looking at his phone, and at the photographic evidence on the white board.
Henke Pistorius, father of Carl and Oscar, was present in court.
His sister Aimee, accompanied by other family members, arrived shortly after 9.25am. They sat in the front row with family members and friends in the second and third row.
Based on the evidence so far, this court case seems like a waste of time and money ..... :shrug:
http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-03-carl-pistorius-gives-version-of-events-to-court
Oldwage concluded his cross-examination of Coetzee on Wednesday afternoon. Magistrate Buks du Plessis clarified the route taken by the bikers and the time constraints before he excused Coetzee. The case was postponed to April 25.
the truth
03-04-2013, 08:40 PM
man I hate guns and gun culture.....the man is at the very least guilty of killing an innocent woman, whether or not its murder, she went to the bathroom and ended up dead. the man is a loon
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/04/oscar-pistorius-photographed-training-students
Oscar Pistorius has been photographed back on the athletics track – by a group of school hockey players visiting a university campus.
Charmaine Koekemoer, director of sport at Voortrekker high school, said there was excitement in the school bus on 24 March when the pupils spotted Pistorius at Pretoria University.
"None of us are in any doubt. We saw Oscar training," Koekemoer told South Africa's Witness newspaper. "As we drove past on our way out on Sunday at 10.15, one of the kids screamed: 'There's Oscar!' As true as Bob, there he was."
The pupils took pictures with their mobile phones and quickly distributed them on a mobile messaging app.
On Thursday the Paralympian's agent, Peet van Zyl, confirmed that the photos were genuine, but told South African media it was not an "official training session", adding: "He said he just wanted to get a feeling of putting his legs on again and having a bit of a jog."
Well, keeping fit isn't a crime ..... :pipe:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/9976158/Oscar-Pistorius-agent-confirms-athlete-is-running-again.html
Oscar Pistorius' agent says the paralympian's return to competitive training is imminent and that he is considering several upcoming international running events.
"It's still very tough on him for the sad loss he's suffered with Reeva's tragic death, and I think that's going to be most important part for us to work through, is to get him eventually focussed and ready for training," said van Zyl.
From the way the agent talks, you'd think someone other than Pistorius killed Reeva Steenkamp ..... :suspect:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/9969992/Oscar-Pistorius-to-get-the-all-clear-to-run-at-the-IPC-World-Athletics-Championships-in-France-in-July.html
Oscar Pistorius, the double amputee who faces a murder trial in South Africa, is to be given the all-clear to compete at the International Paralympic Committee World Athletics Championships in France this summer.
Telegraph Sport has learnt that an internal report circulated within senior ranks at the IPC, the world governing body for Paralympic sport, has cleared the athlete, who is accused of murdering his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Feb 14 at his home in Pretoria, to run at the event in Lyon in July.
It is understood that Peet van Zyl, Pistorius’s agent, will be notified that the athlete will be free to register for the event, either for South Africa, or as an individual. The belief within the IPC is that Pistorius should not be stopped from competing before his trial.
If Pistorius were to target the able-bodied IAAF World Championships in Moscow in August, the IPC championships would be an ideal staging point for him on that journey.
His next court appearance is June 4, though the trial is expected to continue into next year.
"Ladykiller" Pistorius (or his agent, "Percent" van Zyl) obviously wants to make hay while the sun still shines ..... :rolleyes:
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/1821598/report-oscar-pistorius-deeply-disturbed-by-steenkamp-deserved-to-die-comments-from-fans
Paralympic champion Oscar Pistorius has said that he is ‘deeply disturbed’ by comments from some of his fans, saying that his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp ‘deserved to die’.
According to Pistorius’ family spokesperson Anneliese Burgess, Pistorius was furious when he found out about a group of his fans on Twitter calling themselves the ‘Pistorians, who were making those comments, and ordered a statement to be released condemning them.
According to the statement, Pistorius expressed his concern at the comments, stating that they were disregarding the ‘profound pain’ that Steenkamp's family and friends are going through.
Burgess further said that Pistorius was very upset when he found out about the comments, adding that the ‘Blade Runner’ mourned for his girlfriend everyday.
The statement also revealed that Pistorius has been spending time with people close to Steenkamp.
According to the report, the ‘Pistorians’ have virulently backed Pistorius's claim that he shot Steenkamp on Valentine's Day after mistaking her for a burglar and have even criticised Steenkamp's family and the 29-year-old model's behaviour.
With Pistorius' "personality make-over", by South African PR firm Vuma Reputation Management, in progress , the last thing he needs is fans like that ..... :idc:
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Oscar-Pistorius-goes-out-partying-20130414
Johannesburg - Murder-accused paralympian Oscar Pistorius was seen enjoying a few drinks on a night out, the Sunday Times reported.
Pistorius was seen arriving at a party at Kitchen Bar restaurant in the Fourways Design Quarter in Johannesburg (http://www.dining-out.co.za/md/Kitchen-Bar/2928) last Saturday, according to the report.
This was the first time Pistorius, who has been charged with murder after his girlfriend law graduate Reeva Steenkamp was shot dead in his Pretoria home on 14 February, was seen out in public.
Pistorius family spokesperson Anneliese Burgess told the Sunday Times that it was the first time the paralympian went out with friends but left the Kitchen Bar when "public interest became overwhelming".
Did the killer-at-large think that no-one would notice him ..... :eek:
http://news.sky.com/story/1078208/pistorius-johannesburg-night-out-defended
He then went to a bar across the street for a short time, but "left for the same reason", Ms Burgess said.
:rolleyes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/9993294/Oscar-Pistorius-strenuously-denies-downing-drinks-and-flirting.html
A spokesman for Pistorius dismissed as "sensationalist" the report in South Africa's Sunday Times that quoted several witnesses as seeing a "relaxed-looking and talkative" Oscar at the Kitchen Bar in northern Johannesburg last Saturday.
The paper said many of the restaurant's guests were shocked to see Pistorius, 26, who is out on bail while he awaits trial for shooting Reeva Steenkamp, walk into the private area at around 9pm, accompanied by a male friend and several bodyguards.
"He was drinking shooters and he was flirtatious. He didn't seem like someone [who had] lost the love of his life," one unnamed woman was quoted as saying.
"He's the last person we expected to see," another guest reportedly said.
"I can't believe he showed his face in public, carrying on as if nothing's happened." The same witness claimed Pistorius flirted with several women. "He was greeting a couple and then gave the woman a little pat on her backside. It was just so inappropriate," the guest told the paper.
Anneliese Burgess, the Pistorius family spokesman, told the paper that the Saturday night he was seen was the first time he had been out with friends.
"For Oscar, it was a way of trying to reconnect with friends of his and Reeva's – and these were the people he was out with," she said.
She added that he "strenuously and vigorously denies any inappropriate behaviour towards any people or women present, or 'partying it up' with shooters".
Not the image that his Reputation Management wanted to circulate ..... :nono:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/disability-sport/22163917
The Games include a day of Paralympic sport, but UK Athletics chairman Ed Warner said Pistorius will not race.
"I don't want to see the Sunday of the Anniversary Games turning into a media circus," Warner told BBC Radio 4.
"It would overshadow every other athlete that was there.
"It's not about innocent or guilty, it's about how you handle an individual with a difficult moral situation hanging over them.
"Anything might change, he is in court before then, but based on what I know at the moment it would be a no if he rang this morning."
Good for Ed ..... :thumbs:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/10001061/Oscar-Pistorius-has-no-plans-to-compete-abroad.html
"Oscar has no plans to compete internationally at this point," said Peet van Zyl, his agent, said, dismissing suggestions Pistorius had planned to compete at the July 26-28 Anniversary Games, but was not invited.
"There never were any plans for Oscar to participate in London," said Van Zyl. "He is not training officially and there are no plans, at this point, for him to resume his international career."
The comments come after organisers of the three-day Anniversary Games at London's Olympic Park said the South African Paralympian, who has been charged with murdering his girlfriend, would not be welcome.
"I don't want to see the Sunday of the Anniversary Games turning into a media circus," UK Athletics chairman Ed Warner said.
Last month the double amputee, who is known as the "Blade Runner", successfully challenged his strict bail conditions, opening the door for him to travel abroad and fuelling speculation about a return to the track.
But Pistorius's focus, according to Van Zyl, "remains preparing for and dealing with the legal process in South Africa".
A subtle change of tune from the "agent" ..... :rolleyes:
Nedusa
18-04-2013, 11:27 AM
Lets hope he doesn't come to be known as the "Bail Runner"...!!!!!
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/pistorius-trial-resumes-1.1494609#.UVvfaBRwavE
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/04/03/skidmark-contradicts-witness-statement-carl-pistorius-defence
http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-03-carl-pistorius-gives-version-of-events-to-court
http://ewn.co.za/2013/04/25/Constable-testifies-in-Carl-Pistorius-case
JOHANNESBURG - A constable who attended to the 2008 accident involving Carl Pistorius has been called to testify this on Thursday.
Oscar Pistorius' older brother was involved in the accident which left motorcyclist, Marietjie Barnard dead.
His culpable homicide trial is continuing in the Vanderbijlpark Magistrates Court.
Constable Robert Ropadu said Barnard was still alive when he arrived on the scene.
He went to the injured motorcyclist and tried to attend to her.
Throughout previous proceedings Pistorius’ lawyer Kenny Oldwage argued that Barnard was drunk and speeding on the night of the incident and she was the one responsible for crashing into Pistorius’ bakkie.
However, Ropadu told the court he did not smell alcohol on Barnard’s breath after he examined her.
Pistorius is expected to testify that he was driving next to a Volkswagen Fox when he heard a noise coming from the undercarriage of his car.
He then observed a motorcycle was airborne and to the right of his bakkie.
Pistorius will testify that he applied brakes and “safely” brought his vehicle to a standstill.
:idc:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a480366/oscar-pistorius-film-blade-runner-on-trial-coming-to-channel-5.html
Channel 5 has released details of an Oscar Pistorius documentary that has been timed to coincide with the South African Olympic and Paralympic athlete's upcoming trial.
The broadcaster will use two experienced South African lawyers to argue the questions that will be at the centre of the trial. The film will also include a purpose-built replica of Pistorius's bedroom and bathroom, where the shooting took place.
Sam Barcroft, from producers Barcroft Productions, said: "Blanket news coverage means everyone now has a view on what happened on the night of Reeva's death - and this special analyses the evidence that will prove crucial during Oscar's trial.
"Using an adventurous and forensic approach, we enable viewers to get to grips with the trial of the century."
The programme will air in June on Channel 5.
My expectations of this "production" are not high ..... :shrug:
It's from the makers of "The Girl With Eight Limbs" and "My Baby Is a Monkey" ..... :eek:
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/usatoday/article/2193965
Oscar Pistorius returns to court next month for his murder trial, notes the Huffington Post, and anyone interested in the case should make a new Vanity Fairpiece required reading. The article by Mark Seal doesn't have any bombshell revelations on the main question-did the amputee Olympian murder girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp in a rage or, as he insists, mistake her for a burglar?-but it paints a more complete portrait of all the main players, including the detective convinced of the athlete's guilt, and recounts the night of the killing. Pistorius in particular comes off as an egomaniac with long-standing anger issues.
--"When Pistorius competed at the London Olympics, last summer, (a radio host) interviewed the athlete's roommate at the Olympic Village: 'What is it like to sleep in the same room with a superstar?' And he said, 'I moved out. Oscar is always shouting at people on the phone.'"
--A "former confidant" tells Seal that the Olympics changed Pistorius for the worse. "He was bragging about his adventures in the good life. He was like, 'I'm the man, I'm Oscar. The world owes me.' That sense of entitlement. He wasn't like that; he was made into that."
--In subsequent training sessions at a gym, his "swearing would astonish the mothers and children also using the gym," says a reporter. "He would storm out of the gym midway through a workout. He would be surly, rude. It seemed as though he survived on energy drinks and caffeine pills."
Here's one assessment of the six-page article: "After reading Seal's piece, I'm convinced that Oscar Pistorius is kind of a jerk," writes Justin Peters at Slate. "But while the piece definitely nudges the reader toward the conclusion that he murdered Steenkamp, it hasn't cleared up all reasonable doubt."
:pipe:
Cherie
18-05-2013, 03:09 PM
When Pistorius competed at the London Olympics, last summer, (a radio host) interviewed the athlete's roommate at the Olympic Village: 'What is it like to sleep in the same room with a superstar?' And he said, 'I moved out. Oscar is always shouting at people on the phone.'
Shouting at people on the phone doensn't make you a killer:joker: He is still guilty though.
Shouting at people on the phone doensn't make you a killer:joker: He is still guilty though.
You can't shoot someone over the phone ..... :nono:
But he shot Reeva, of that there is no doubt - the possibility now arises that he has anger management problems - an angry man with a pistol to hand and the target of that anger in front of him - does he think about his stupidity and put the weapon down or has the red mist descended upon him and obscured his rationality ..... :puzzled:
http://news.sky.com/story/1093392/oscar-pistorius-wont-compete-again-in-2013
Oscar Pistorius will not compete again this year as he awaits trial for murder, his agent has confirmed.
The double-amputee has remained largely out of public view amid intense international interest in his case.
The 26-year-old is on bail following the February 14 shooting, but is allowed to compete before his court case is heard.
However, Ampie Louw, the six-times Paralympic champion's coach, has turned down invitations to take part in major international athletic events.
"We have decided as a team we are not talking (about) any training or athletics," he said. "We have postponed (races) for the whole year."
He said Pistorius was not psychologically ready to take part in any events.
"He is nowhere close to being in a position to train. He just does fitness exercises in the morning with his family."
It means the South African will not compete in the IPC World Championships in Lyon in July.
He had not been invited to compete in the London Anniversary Games that same month.
Pistorius is next due in court on June 4, and a trial is expected to take place before the end of this year.
No surprise at that announcement - the surprise is that such activity was actively considered after Pistorius killed Reeva.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22614530
The brother of athletics star Oscar Pistorius has been acquitted of culpable homicide over the death of a motorcyclist in South Africa.
A magistrate ruled that Carl Pistorius, 28, had not been negligent in the death of Marietjie Barnard in March 2008.
The prosecution admitted it had been unable to prove the charges and said it would take no further action.
No surprise, there, either - Pistorius may have been negligent, but Barnard was drunk ..... :idc:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/24/oscar-pistorius-end-of-rainbow
A couple of years ago, two journalist friends of mine spent an afternoon with Oscar Pistorius. For much of the time, they recall, Oscar was quiet and self-contained. And then, apropos of nothing, he told a story. He was driving on the outskirts of a black township, he said, when a dog ran under his wheels. In his rear-view mirror, he watched as it dragged itself off the road by its front legs, its hind legs useless to it now. Its back was clearly broken. He stopped and got out of his car to find that the dog's owner had come out on to the street, shouting, cursing, gesticulating. What to do? Oscar grabbed his gun, shot the dog through the back of the head and drove off.
On Valentine's Day 2013, when the world learned that Oscar Pistorius had shot Reeva Steenkamp dead through a closed bathroom door, this story no longer sounded the same. Before 14 February, the man in the tale my friends tell is a little inscrutable, too hard perhaps, and clearly a cowboy. In the end, though, he does use his gun to put an animal out of its misery. But now… Well, along with everything else Oscar has ever said and done, it takes its place in the biographical backdrop to an alleged murder.
So it is with all of the crazy tales about Oscar. They are legendary. Versions of them appeared periodically in the New York Times, in Wired, in New Scientist. The journalist arrives in Johannesburg to find that Oscar himself has come to the airport to meet him. There is no chauffeur; Oscar will drive. On the freeway, he clocks 250kmh while reading a text message from a girl who wants to spend the night with him. The journalist is scared; he suddenly remembers that last year Oscar almost killed himself in a speedboat accident.
Another such tale: at Oscar's home, over lunch, talk turns to guns and Oscar grabs his 9mm pistol and two boxes of ammunition. And now Oscar and the journalist are burning a trail to the firing range, because Oscar insists on teaching the journalist to shoot.
Before 14 February, these were the colourful trimmings of magazine profiles. Oscar's accomplishments were superhuman. He had licence to be a little crazy. Indeed, it was expected. But now… Well, a switch has been flipped and we are listening to these same stories in a very dark place.
:idc:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/may/26/oscar-pistorius-fined-unpaid-taxes
Oscar Pistorius, the Paralympic star facing a murder charge, was fined for unpaid taxes after being forced to declare his assets during his bail hearing, it was reported on Sunday.
South Africa's City Press newspaper said the tax authorities audited and fined the double-amputee runner "less than one million rand" (£69,169), which he duly paid.
The Paralympian declared in a court affidavit during his application to be freed on bail that he earned around $630,000 (£415,265) a year and owned three houses and a vacant plot in South Africa with a combined value of nearly $1m.
City Press reported that he owns another house in Johannesburg, which he bought for 9.8m rand (£677,856) this year but this was not declared as part of his assets in the affidavit. City Press did not say if that house was bought before or after the killing of Steenkamp at his $500,000-home in a gated community in Pretoria.
Possibly just an oversight, but it's cost him ..... :idc:
lostalex
27-05-2013, 04:12 PM
I think he's guilty,. just my PERSONAL OPINION. why isn't he in jail? oh yea, he's a rich sports star... did we learn nothing from OJ simpson?
**** Reeva, she's worthless. She's a worthless piece of trash, how dare she make him kill her. what a horrible woman.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pistorius-investigation-finished-august-203256961--oly.html .
JOHANNESBURG (AP) -- The police investigation into Oscar Pistorius' killing of his girlfriend on Valentine's Day won't be completed until August, prosecutors said Saturday, ahead of the double-amputee Olympian's first court appearance in nearly four months.
The National Prosecuting Authority said in a statement that it was ''content with the progress thus far'' of the investigation, which will have taken nearly six months by the time the state is ready to proceed with Pistorius' murder trial.
Pistorius will return to Courtroom C at Pretoria Magistrate's Court on June 4. He is expected to appear for only 10 minutes, but will give the world its first view of him since bail was granted on Feb. 22 in a hearing that lasted nearly a week and during which he cut a broken, sobbing figure as details of the shooting were aired.
The NPA expects the June 4 proceedings to be ''a mere postponement'' ahead of another date in August. Meanwhile, police investigators continue to collect and scrutinize evidence and identify and interview possible witnesses to Pistorius' shooting of Reeva Steenkamp at his upscale home in the pre-dawn hours of Feb. 14.
Since Pistorius left public view, whisked away from the court building in the back seat of an SUV with darkened windows, his defense team has successfully appealed some of his bail restrictions. He has been living at the house of his uncle, Arnold Pistorius, in an upmarket Pretoria suburb that is not far from the gated community in which he fired the shots through a toilet door that killed Steenkamp.
Pistorius denies murdering Steenkamp, claiming he mistook her for a nighttime intruder. The state says he killed the 29-year-old model and law graduate intentionally following a fight and charged the multiple Paralympic champion with premeditated murder.
But while Pistorius has been finding ways to cope ''with his sense of isolation,'' according to a statement by his family, he faces a life sentence in prison if found guilty.
''We as the National Prosecuting Authority are content with the progress thus far on the currently continuing investigations,'' the NPA said, ''and we anticipate ... the investigations shall be wrapped up by or before August 2013.''
The NPA said the hearing would be presided over by Acting Chief Magistrate Daniel Thulare, who is not the same magistrate from the bail application.
There have been only two reported sightings of Pistorius in public since he was freed: an image of him on his carbon fiber blades walking on his practice running track, and a visit to a Johannesburg restaurant.
:idc:
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/NPA-looking-weak-ahead-of-Pistorius-trial-20130530
Johannesburg - Double-amputee South African running sensation Oscar Pistorius is due to appear in court on 4 June for the start of a trial in which he stands accused of murdering his girlfriend, model Reeva Steenkamp, in February.
Lawyers for both the prosecution and the defence have said the first hearing in Pretoria will be a mere formality, lasting perhaps 10 minutes, with months of delays expected before the actual trial begins.
Whenever it does fully kick off - with a plethora of witnesses, experts, and friends expected to testify - the world's eyes will be fixed on the 26-year-old Bladerunner, the man who made history in London last year when he was the first double-amputee to compete in the Olympics.
But, for many legal scholars in South Africa, the real spotlight will be on state lawyers from the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA).
While the NPA claims a conviction rate of 88%, setbacks in a recent string of high-profile cases are damaging the organisation's public image.
Prosecutors failed to convict police officers accused of killing activist Andries Tatane during a protest in 2011; one of the men accused of gang-raping and killing 17-year-old Anene Booysen was released for lack of evidence; and J Arthur Brown, who allegedly swindled thousands of widows and orphans out of their savings, was able to walk away with a fine and a suspended sentence.
The problems with the NPA have been ongoing for years, and include alleged improprieties regarding graft cases against Jacob Zuma, now president, in the period right before he took office.
It won't look good if a self-confessed killer, who has already been granted bail, subsequently walks free from a court because of further incidents of "official" incompetence ..... :suspect:
http://news.sky.com/story/1097557/pistorius-images-show-bloody-scene-of-killing
Images obtained by Sky News show the room where Reeva Steenkamp was fatally shot. WARNING: These pictures may cause distress.
Now, there are further allegations about the police conduct at the house. Two different sources have told Sky News that other officers are being investigated too after the disappearance of one of the athlete's watches from his house
The South African Police Service, when contacted by us, refused to comment.
But the latest allegations will only add to the impression that the initial investigation into the killing of Reeva Steenkamp was not entirely above reproach.
:rolleyes:
lostalex
31-05-2013, 12:36 PM
He killed her and he knew exactly what he was doing.
The prosecutions arguement seems more likely
lostalex
31-05-2013, 01:14 PM
Sounds like his lawyers are tryna turn this into another OJ Simpson case. Put all the attention on the cops. Make the cops into the bad guys.
He killed her and he knew exactly what he was doing.
Of that, there is, in my mind, no doubt - the only doubts in the tragic death of Reeva are in everything Pistorius says ..... :pipe:
Sounds like his lawyers are tryna turn this into another OJ Simpson case. Put all the attention on the cops. Make the cops into the bad guys.
The cops ARE the bad guys ..... and, if they're not bad, they're incompetent ..... :shrug:
lostalex
31-05-2013, 03:29 PM
The cops ARE the bad guys ..... and, if they're not bad, they're incompetent ..... :shrug:
that's probably true, but that doesn't make him any less of a murderer.
that's probably true, but that doesn't make him any less of a murderer.
No, but when the investigating officer is himself facing SEVEN charges of attempted murder, you have to wonder at the "scales" of justice in South Africa ..... :idc:
Marcus.
31-05-2013, 06:07 PM
tiswt in the tale
lostalex
31-05-2013, 06:28 PM
No, but when the investigating officer is himself facing SEVEN charges of attempted murder, you have to wonder at the "scales" of justice in South Africa ..... :idc:
Sounds like the scales of justice should come crashing down on all of their heads.
A Plague on Both of your houses!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/leaked-pictures-show-blood-in-bathroom-where-oscar-pistorius-shot-his-lover-reeva-steenkamp-on-valentines-day-8639962.html
Speaking to Eyewitness News, Pistorius’ defence attorney Bryan Webber described the images appearance in the public domain as “distressing” and said that this was the first time the defence had seen them, despite five previous requests for access. Webber called for the National Prosecuting Authority to explain their appearance.
According to South African news outlet News24, Brigadier Phuti Setati, a spokesperson for the South African police service said they would not comment on the pictures. However, he did say: “We don't want to be distracted by these deliberate tactics. All that we want to do is secure conviction, so we are working throughout and investigating professionally.”
A couple of weird statements ..... :suspect:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/01/us-safrica-pistorius-idUSBRE95002R20130601
A spokesman for the National Prosecuting Authority said it was unclear how Sky had obtained the pictures. Police declined to say whether they were part of the formal investigation but said they would make no difference to the trial.
South Africa does not have trial by jury so pre-trial media coverage is seldom deemed to be prejudicial.
That's all right, then ..... :idc:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-after-the-shouts-the-whispers-grow-8640799.html
Evidence that neighbours of Oscar Pistorius heard him arguing with his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, just hours before he shot and killed her is undermined in a documentary to be broadcast tomorrow night.
In the second of two Channel 5 documentaries to be aired tomorrow, a day before Pistorius appears in the dock for a pre-trial hearing on Tuesday, two of South Africa's top barristers use experts and a full-size reconstruction of Pistorius's bathroom and bedroom to dissect the evidence on which his fate hangs, dismissing claims that neighbours heard the couple rowing.
Immediately before that, in Why Did Oscar Pistorius Kill Our Daughter?, Ms Steenkamp's parents say that their daughter told them the couple were arguing, and explain why they feared for her safety. For the first time they will also show her painting of a gunman, an angel and a stairway to heaven – images that they claim were a "premonition".
The prosecution must provide a motive to have him convicted of premeditated murder, and part of that case relies on two witness statements saying the couple were arguing. But, in Pistorius Trial: The Key Questions, on Monday at 10pm, those statements from neighbours living 300 metres from the athlete's home, are called into question. Technology used to measure the noise impact of new train lines suggests that voices arguing could not be heard from 300 metres away, but only from a distance of about 50 metres.
Two barristers, Estelle Kilian acting for the prosecution and Marius Du Toit for the defence, agree this witness evidence is likely to be undermined. But, the documentary says, unsubstantiated claims that the pair had sent texts to others could still provide a motive.
It has been alleged that Pistorius sent texts to another woman of a "flirtatious nature" after he had begun his four-month relationship with Ms Steenkamp, which might provide a motive, while Ms Steenkamp, 29, is said to have been trading messages with a previous boyfriend. Why she took her mobile phone to the bathroom – where it was found by police – in the middle of the night is also under scrutiny.
The documentary also asks whether it is plausible that Pistorius, 26, didn't notice Reeva was not in bed before he started shooting. An illumination engineer backs Pistorius's claims that it was "pitch black" and he could not see that Ms Steenkamp was not in bed as he manoeuvred around the bed to get his 9mm pistol and confront the supposed burglar.
But Laurie Peters, a criminologist, says the fact that he didn't check whether Reeva, whom he shot four times while she was in the bathroom, was in bed or not was illuminating. She says: "He didn't even bother to find out where Reeva was before he fired blindly into the dark. That would be a red flag to me because psychologically the first thing you would do is find the people you want to protect."
TWO programs for the RECORD button, then ..... :idc:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/02/oscar-pistorius-church-aunt
Oscar Pistorius is seeking solace in God and attends church regularly, his family said, as the athlete prepares for his return to court this week.
Lois Pistorius, the athlete's aunt, revealed he has been quietly attending church most Sundays. "He's been going to church and people from the church are visiting him," she said. "He attends the English service and I attend the Afrikaans service.
"At home he's reading the bible a lot. If you've got a purpose in life and you believe in God, it gives you a reason to understand things when they're not going smoothly because you rely on God who is everlasting and always there. Humans make mistakes. None of us is perfect."
Pistorius, 26, has been living as a virtual recluse with Lois and her husband, Arnold, at their luxury home in Pretoria.
Lois, 55, added: "He rarely goes out. It's very difficult for him. He reads a lot of stuff, newspapers, the Bible, he's doing some work on the computer.
" He's got a strong character and he's exercising a lot. We brought in some equipment for him to exercise on. A family member or two and friends come and join him.
"It happened on 14 February. Where are we now? Three and a half months later. Things must go back to normal. We hope he will compete again one day because he's got the natural talent."
Pistorius sometimes fails to shave, Lois added, though she did not know if his beard will be seen in court. "He's got one then he hasn't got one. It comes and goes."
She said Pistorius's finances have taken a hit from legal fees and the loss of commercial deals. "He has lost a lot of sponsors but there will always be bread on the table. Someone will help you somewhere. What do you need in life? You don't need a fancy car or fancy house to survive," she added.
Pictures of the bloody bathroom where Pistorius shot Steenkamp were broadcast by Britain's Sky News last week. Lois said she had not yet talked to Pistorius about the images of what she described as "the accident scene". She added: "It was leaked by police officers. My opinion is not important.
"The most important thing is that he must get a fair trial and the truth must prevail so people can understand it was terrible accident and tragedy. They were two beautiful young people and this has changed their lives together."
In an interview on the Carte Blanche programme on South Africa's M-Net channel, Arnold Pistorius said his nephew had received counselling and was going to the gym twice a day "to get his mind right".
Arnold added: "I saw him crying this morning before he went to the gym. We did the standard procedure, he reads scripture and he prays. He grieves all the time and, it's such a personal thing, it's difficult for me to talk about this but he's going through a very, very tough time."
Pistorius still has photos of Steenkamp on his walls, his uncle said. "He grieves every day. He's getting his pastor in once a week from his church. At the house they have a gathering every week and they work on this, but it's tough."
"Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" ..... :rolleyes:
"Why? Why did he shoot her? I want to know why he shot her," Mrs Steenkamp says. "She must have been so afraid in the toilet.
"One bullet had already hit her, so she must have been in severe pain. Then he shot her, shot her until she was dead."
Just so ..... :sad:
How the lovely Reeva's parents can remain so dignified is beyond me ..... :sad:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22763300
South African athlete Oscar Pistorius has appeared in court for the first time since he was freed on bail over the killing of his girlfriend.
After a brief hearing in Pretoria, the magistrate agreed to a request from both prosecution and defence to postpone the hearing until August.
Mr Pistorius wore a grey suit and appeared composed as he arrived at court to meet a barrage of photographers and journalists. He was surrounded by his family and friends for the hearing.
He spoke only once, confirming "Yes, Your Honour" when asked if he understood the magistrate's comments.
Both the prosecution and the defence teams asked that the hearing be postponed until 19 August to give them more time to prepare their case.
Magistrate Daniel Thulare agreed to the postponement and extended Mr Pistorius's bail conditions until that date.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2013/jun/04/oscar-pistorius-back-in-court-for-pre-trial-hearing-live-coverage
In a short pre-trial hearing at Pretoria magistrates court, magistrate Daniel Thulare expressed concern about a trial by media in the case. He said the South African national prosecuting authority should look seriously at whether any of the coverage had scandalised the court, asked international journalists to respect the South African judicial process, and told anyone with information about the case to approach the prosecution, not the media. The courtroom was packed with journalists, as it has been for every stage of this case so far.
Thulare asked the prosecution team why they wanted a postponement until August. Prosecutor Andrea Johnson said she could not share that information in public, but the defence agreed with the delay.
:idc:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338079/Oscar-Pistorius-The-stunning-blonde-keeping-sprinter-focused-athletics-faces-murder-trial.html
As Oscar Pistorius awaits his trial for the killing of his lover, Reeva Steenkamp, another attractive young blonde is constantly at his side.
But there’s no danger of athlete Claudia Viljoen stepping into tragic model Miss Steenkamp’s shoes – her role with the Paralympic gold medallist is very different.
Her job as double amputee sprinter Pistorius’s training partner is to keep his mind focused on athletics and not on the case due to be heard in August, following his shooting of 29-year-old Reeva on Valentine’s Day.
Viljoen, 24, a former international 100m and 200m hurdler, is a regular visitor to the Pretoria home of Pistorius’s uncle Arnold, where a gym has been built in the pool house.
The pair train together on a treadmill, bicycle and weights equipment each day, but Viljoen, an old friend of 26-year-old Pistorius, has told friends she is reporting back regularly to his coach, Ampie Louw, on the Paralympian’s state of mind as he tries to rebuild his shattered life.
‘Claudia trains with Oscar in the morning, often together with his uncle Arnold’s family,’ said a source close to the Pistorius family. ‘She’s a very good friend of Oscar.’
Viljoen, who describes herself as ‘a 100m hurdler and sports scientist’, is engaged to business consultant James Heunis, 30.
She was in South Africa’s preparation squad for the 2008 Beijing Olympics, but suddenly dropped out, apparently because of personal issues.
Aside from her athletics, she works for her family’s plant hire business.
Her looks earned her a place in the Athletics South Africa 2011 calendar as Miss July, where she appeared in a carefully-posed shot wearing only briefs and a medal.
:idc:
The date of the next court hearing, 19th August, would have been Reeva's 30th birthday, had Pistorius not killed her ..... :sad:
http://www.newsday.co.zw/2013/06/17/oliveira-breaks-oscar-pistorius-record/
BERLIN — Brazilian Alan Oliveira has become the world’s fastest amputee after breaking Oscar Pistorius’ 100m T43 record.
The 20-year-old ran the record time of 10,77 seconds at the IPC Athletics Grand Prix in Berlin on Saturday.
Oliveira’s time is 0,14 seconds faster than the previous record of 10,91, which was set by Pistorius in April 2007 and equalled by Blake Leeper of the United States in July.
It is also 0,08 seconds faster than the 100m T44 record held by England’s Jonnie Peacock.
Oliveira made headlines last year when he beat Pistorius to gold in the T43/44 200m at the London Paralympics, which prompted the South African to complain about the length of his opponent’s blades.
The T43 category includes double below-the-knee amputees and other athletes with impairments deemed equivalent, while the T44 category is for those athletes who are single below-the-knee amputees and equivalent impairments.
Pistorius is currently out of competition as he prepares for his murder trial in the shooting death of girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.
More bad news for Pistorius ..... :idc:
lostalex
17-06-2013, 05:45 PM
he knew that she was in the bathroom. he killed her. go to jail plzzz.
RichardG
19-08-2013, 12:07 PM
A date has been set for the trial of South African athlete Oscar Pistorius for the premeditated murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp at a hearing at Pretoria magistrates' court.
The prosecutor in the case said the dates of 3 to 20 March had been mutually agreed for the trial.
The prosecution handed a copy of the indictment to Mr Pistorius.
Mr Pistorius denies murdering Ms Steenkamp. He says he shot her after mistaking her for an intruder.
He was granted bail in February and has since resumed some low-key training.During Monday's brief hearing, prosecutor Gerrie Nel also said he planned to transfer case to the high court: "We have prepared the indictment."
Oscar Pistorius looked stern-faced as he appeared in court, says the BBC's Andrew Harding at the hearing. Before proceedings started, he could be seen crying and holding hands with his siblings.
Mr Pistorius was also indicted on a charge of illegal possession of ammunition.
The double amputee won gold at the London 2012 Paralympic Games and also competed at the Olympics.
His arrest in February stunned many South Africans who saw him as a national sporting hero after his long legal battle to be able to take part in the Olympics.
rest of article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23750551
Iceman
11-09-2014, 08:06 AM
Verdict imminent
MrWong
11-09-2014, 08:14 AM
I have been following this trial from the beginning.
Very interested in the verdict.
Iceman
11-09-2014, 08:25 AM
So have I.
The judge has discounted all the witnesses.
Also seems to be leaning towards believing the defence and not the state
Iceman
11-09-2014, 08:31 AM
Also the evidence about screaming all points to it being oscar screaming as reeva would have been too incapacitated to scream. (Just for the person at the start of the thread who kept posting links about reeva screaming)
user104658
11-09-2014, 08:33 AM
I still say he didn't intentionally kill her, but rather, they were fighting and she locked herself in, he shouted, he tried to beat the door, it didn't budge, he flipped his lid and shot at the door in a blind rage - and only then realised that the bullets had gone through and killed her.
However, for whatever reason, the prosecution seemed to be arguing deliberate murder, which is a stretch, and therefore I think he'll probably avoid prison. That's not to say he "gets away with it" exactly... his career and reputation are in tatters.
MrWong
11-09-2014, 08:33 AM
It's weird that she finds the witnesses evidence unreliable and influenced by the media.
Yet, Dr Stipp turned up to Oscars home because he heard a woman screaming. Zero media influence :conf:
MrWong
11-09-2014, 08:54 AM
Ear witnesses evidence - Unreliable
Phone message evidence - Unreliable
Stomach contents evidence - Unreliable
Not looking good for the prosecution.
MrWong
11-09-2014, 09:37 AM
I still say he didn't intentionally kill her, but rather, they were fighting and she locked herself in, he shouted, he tried to beat the door, it didn't budge, he flipped his lid and shot at the door in a blind rage - and only then realised that the bullets had gone through and killed her.
However, for whatever reason, the prosecution seemed to be arguing deliberate murder, which is a stretch, and therefore I think he'll probably avoid prison. That's not to say he "gets away with it" exactly... his career and reputation are in tatters.
I wouldn't rule out a prison sentence.
Dolus Eventualis - Killing an intruder, is still a possibility.
user104658
11-09-2014, 10:07 AM
I wouldn't rule out a prison sentence.
Dolus Eventualis - Killing an intruder, is still a possibility.
I don't know, for dolus eventualis it has to be established that the consequences were a known possibility at the time of the incident, even if that's a tiny possibility, what's important is that it was "known"... i.e. when he shot at the apparent intruder he would have KNOWN that it was possibly an innocent victim. Based on his version of events, he was 100% convinced that it was a home invasion... he didn't think "it might not be but I'll shoot anyway"... which would be the important factor.
An example often used is if someone was to try to burn down their home to make an insurance claim, and their neighbour's house was then to catch fire and cause a death. The fire-starter didn't intend to kill anyone, but would definitely have known that death or injury was a possibility when they struck the match, and therefore dolus eventualis would apply.
I suppose it depends on SA's self/home defense laws? Is it "legal" to kill an intruder?
Iceman
11-09-2014, 10:54 AM
Not guilty of both counts of murder
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 10:54 AM
pfft
Liam-
11-09-2014, 10:56 AM
How could he have shot at a door and think the bullets wouldn't go straight through? Completely the wrong verdict in my eyes.
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 10:58 AM
How could he have shot at a door and think the bullets wouldn't go straight through? Completely the wrong verdict in my eyes.
It's a joke
Ninastar
11-09-2014, 11:04 AM
wtf :/
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
11-09-2014, 11:05 AM
Well duh he's a white in South Africa there was no way they were going to find him guilty. :laugh:
Northern Monkey
11-09-2014, 11:33 AM
Well duh he's a white in South Africa there was no way they were going to find him guilty. :laugh:
Black judge:shrug:
Tom4784
11-09-2014, 11:34 AM
He was never going to be convicted, the South African justice system is famously wonky.
Right verdict though really, the prosecution had no conclusive evidence at all and its there job to prove him guilty which they didn't do a very good job off in truth
michael21
11-09-2014, 11:38 AM
He was never going to be convicted, the South African justice system is famously wonky.
but he can still be punished just outside the law
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
11-09-2014, 11:53 AM
Black judge:shrug:
do you really think she had a final say in this? :laugh: Backstage shenanigans.
Wow. Pretty sure his girlfriend's still pretty dead and he still filled her with lead. Is he facing any kind of punishment at all or is he getting to run away on his blades? An OJ Simpson case for a new generation.
Northern Monkey
11-09-2014, 11:58 AM
do you really think she had a final say in this? :laugh: Backstage shenanigans.
I honestly have no idea about the South African legal system.
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 11:59 AM
Wow. Pretty sure his girlfriend's still pretty dead and he still filled her with lead. Is he facing any kind of punishment at all or is he getting to run away on his blades? An OJ Simpson case for a new generation.
mmhmm was just thinking that
Ninastar
11-09-2014, 12:01 PM
Wow. Pretty sure his girlfriend's still pretty dead and he still filled her with lead. Is he facing any kind of punishment at all or is he getting to run away on his blades? An OJ Simpson case for a new generation.
well said.
Jake.
11-09-2014, 12:05 PM
Pathetic.
Brother Leon
11-09-2014, 12:18 PM
Right decision. It should be Culpable Homicide. Not near enough evidence for Premeditated or Murder.
Northern Monkey
11-09-2014, 12:31 PM
Looks like he'll be getting a culpable homicide verdict.The judge said "His conduct was negligent" and then finished for the day.Pretty sure earlier on she said that any negligence would have to result in a culpable homocide verdict.
Bluerang1
11-09-2014, 12:32 PM
BULLCRAP
smudgie
11-09-2014, 12:32 PM
Just give him another ruddy medal...we can't knock down a national hero now can we.
Let's just hope he is found guilty of culpable homicide.
Brother Leon
11-09-2014, 12:33 PM
Looks like he'll be getting a culpable homicide verdict.The judge said "His conduct was negligent" and then finished for the day.Pretty sure earlier on she said that any negligence would have to result in a culpable homocide verdict.
Yep. Looked the clear Verdict since it happened really.
Iceman
11-09-2014, 12:34 PM
Yep. Looked the clear Verdict since it happened really.
Yeah definitely
Northern Monkey
11-09-2014, 12:39 PM
Yep. Looked the clear Verdict since it happened really.
Maximum sentence would be 15 years.Guy on Sky is guessing 6-7 years.
Vicky.
11-09-2014, 12:41 PM
Why is it even a question about if he thought the bullet might go through the door and kill the person behind it? If he thought it wouldnt he wouldnt have shot. Stupid thing to be going over and over :laugh:
Liam-
11-09-2014, 12:45 PM
I don't see how they can say he didn't mean to kill her, he deliberately picked up a gun and fired it at the door of the room the poor woman was in.. unless he thought the door was made from a material that would miraculously stop bullets, he would have known that the bullets would have gone through and hit her, in my eyes it is clear murder, if he wasn't who he is, he would be going down for first degree murder, yet another person being let off of a crime for being in the spotlight, yay celebrity culture.
Right decision. It should be Culpable Homicide. Not near enough evidence for Premeditated or Murder.
I agree, you can't play the guessing game in court
Iceman
11-09-2014, 12:51 PM
I don't see how they can say he didn't mean to kill her, he deliberately picked up a gun and fired it at the door of the room the poor woman was in.. unless he thought the door was made from a material that would miraculously stop bullets, he would have known that the bullets would have gone through and hit her, in my eyes it is clear murder, if he wasn't who he is, he would be going down for first degree murder, yet another person being let off of a crime for being in the spotlight, yay celebrity culture.
His defence is he thought it was an intruder and she was in the bed. Its the right outcome anyhow. Nothing to do with celebrity culture. :idc:
Liam-
11-09-2014, 12:55 PM
His defence is he thought it was an intruder and she was in the bed. Its the right outcome anyhow. Nothing to do with celebrity culture. :idc:
An intruder.. using his bathroom? :laugh:
If your Mrs wasn't in the bed next to you when he heard the so called intruder in the bathroom, you'd first assume that it was her.. not go and shoot through the bathroom door like a lunatic.
An intruder.. using his bathroom? :laugh:
If your Mrs wasn't in the bed next to you when he heard the so called intruder in the bathroom, you'd first assume that it was her.. not go and shoot through the bathroom door like a lunatic.
He heard the window slide open and thought someone came in through it hence why he shot bullets into the bathroom, the window was actually open and his fingerprints weren't found on it, his story can't really be shunted as lies
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 12:58 PM
His defence is he thought it was an intruder and she was in the bed. Its the right outcome anyhow. Nothing to do with celebrity culture. :idc:
His defense is a crock of ****, as if anyone who thought there was an intruder in their house wouldn't first of all wake the person who's supposed to be in bed next them, see if they heard something? Get them to phone the Police? Also, if Reeva just got up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom, which would be the case if we're to believe Oscars story, why would she lock herself into the bathroom? I don't think I've ever in my life locked the bathroom door in the middle of the night when my partner is the only person in the house.
Iceman
11-09-2014, 12:58 PM
An intruder.. using his bathroom? :laugh:
If your Mrs wasn't in the bed next to you when he heard the so called intruder in the bathroom, you'd first assume that it was her.. not go and shoot through the bathroom door like a lunatic.
You cant argue that this isn't his defence though. Regardless of what you THINK is right or wrong its not for you to say
Liam-
11-09-2014, 01:00 PM
You cant argue that this isn't his defence though. Regardless of what you THINK is right or wrong its not for you to say
It might be his defence, but it's a load of bull, It's the most jacked up story I've ever heard in my life.
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 01:01 PM
It might be his defence, but it's a load of bull, It's the most jacked up story I've ever heard in my life.
Indeed
Vicky.
11-09-2014, 01:03 PM
I agree that the defense is complete bull****. Before shooting you would at the very least glance at the other side of the bed to check its not your partner :S
Iceman
11-09-2014, 01:04 PM
His defense is a crock of ****, as if anyone who thought there was an intruder in their house wouldn't first of all wake the person who's supposed to be in bed next them, see if they heard something? Get them to phone the Police? Also, if Reeva just got up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom, which would be the case if we're to believe Oscars story, why would she lock herself into the bathroom? I don't think I've ever in my life locked the bathroom door in the middle of the night when my partner is the only person in the house.
You might think that though but you cant call it ****. Its HIS defence.
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 01:05 PM
He heard the window slide open and thought someone came in through it hence why he shot bullets into the bathroom, the window was actually open and his fingerprints weren't found on it, his story can't really be shunted as lies
Were Reevas? If they were having an argument and she feared for her safety (rightly so clearly) maybe she tried to get out
Liam-
11-09-2014, 01:05 PM
Any normal person would check on their partner if they thought they heard someone breaking in, if not at least to see if they were okay, to tell them to call the police, to make sure they stayed where they were.. they wouldn't roll out of bed straight away, grab a gun and fire it through a door, no knowing who or what is on the other side, it just doesn't make sense at all.
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 01:06 PM
You might think that though but you cant call it ****. Its HIS defence.
I can call it exactly that, it's complete bull ****
Iceman
11-09-2014, 01:06 PM
Were Reevas? If they were having an argument and she feared for her safety (rightly so clearly) maybe she tried to get out
If being the keyword
Vicky.
11-09-2014, 01:06 PM
How were his fingerprints not found on his own window? :conf:
Liam-
11-09-2014, 01:07 PM
You might think that though but you cant call it ****. Its HIS defence.
I can call it **** because it is, anyone with half a brain can see that it's a load of bull, he was up on a murder charge, he would say anything to get off.
There is no evidence to prove his version of events is lies though, the Doctor who came to his house after said he in his expierence looked genuinely distressed by what had happened and that along with the Window actually being open and the argument that Reeva couldn't have screamed after she was shot because of where she was shot and how soon she died so the screams must have been from him is much better to go off then anything the prosecution thrown up in the case, they did a terrible job and the Judge did the right thing
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 01:09 PM
If being the keyword
lol you actually believe his story?, that he got out of his own bed thinking he heard an intruder in his toilet and the thought never occurred to him that maybe it was the woman who was supposed to be lying next him? Never once noticed that she wasn't there or thought to double check first? Or atleast ask Reeva is that you? before blindly firing through a locked door?
Brother Leon
11-09-2014, 01:13 PM
There is no evidence to prove his version of events is lies though, the Doctor who came to his house after said he in his expierence looked genuinely distressed by what had happened and that along with the Window actually being open and the argument that Reeva couldn't have screamed after she was shot because of where she was shot and how soon she died so the screams must have been from him is much better to go off then anything the prosecution thrown up in the case, they did a terrible job and the Judge did the right thing
This. It's a court of law. You can't just go "OMG, he obviously did it, look at all these things" when most of it is assumptions and none of them is cold hard evidence that proves it beyond doubt. At the end of the day the incident that has the most evidence is the one of Reeva being killed due to his negligence and rash actions.
There just isn't anywhere near enough proof to hand a Premeditated Murder verdict on him.
Iceman
11-09-2014, 01:14 PM
lol you actually believe his story?, that he got out of his own bed thinking he heard an intruder in his toilet and the thought never occurred to him that maybe it was the woman who was supposed to be lying next him? Never once noticed that she wasn't there or thought to double check first? Or atleast ask Reeva is that you? before blindly firing through a locked door?
Yeah I do no need for the lol just because you believe a ficticious version of events. No need to be so rude and dismissive.
Niamh.
11-09-2014, 01:16 PM
Yeah I do no need for the lol just because you believe a ficticious version of events. No need to be so rude and dismissive.
I feel very strongly that this is a huge injustice, his story is bull****, if you take offence to me thinking that, that's not my problem
Well the Judge has spoken and in the eyes of the law he isn't a murderer and I guess that's all that matters for now
arista
11-09-2014, 01:22 PM
Well the Judge has spoken and in the eyes of the law he isn't a murderer and I guess that's all that matters for now
The Judge is Corrupt
Thats what matters here
Corrupt Nation
arista
11-09-2014, 01:27 PM
Piss off you
Bollocks to you
I'm just about sick of you
Liam-
11-09-2014, 01:30 PM
Yeah I do no need for the lol just because you believe a ficticious version of events. No need to be so rude and dismissive.
You're being equally as dismissive about other peoples opinions though.. the ruling might have been made, but people are still entitled to think that the ruling was a load of ****, because it quite clearly is.
michael21
11-09-2014, 01:32 PM
Bollocks to you
no need for that :nono:
icecakes
11-09-2014, 03:05 PM
If your famous and rich, you can get away with murder,oops looks like he has
Brother Leon
11-09-2014, 03:06 PM
If your famous and rich, you can get away with murder,oops looks like he has
Not really. He's still being done for Homicide as he should be.
MrWong
11-09-2014, 03:26 PM
I don't know, for dolus eventualis it has to be established that the consequences were a known possibility at the time of the incident, even if that's a tiny possibility, what's important is that it was "known"... i.e. when he shot at the apparent intruder he would have KNOWN that it was possibly an innocent victim. Based on his version of events, he was 100% convinced that it was a home invasion... he didn't think "it might not be but I'll shoot anyway"... which would be the important factor.
An example often used is if someone was to try to burn down their home to make an insurance claim, and their neighbour's house was then to catch fire and cause a death. The fire-starter didn't intend to kill anyone, but would definitely have known that death or injury was a possibility when they struck the match, and therefore dolus eventualis would apply.
I suppose it depends on SA's self/home defense laws? Is it "legal" to kill an intruder?
I've been reading a number of comments on twitter saying that say the judge has made an error in law by the way she restricted dolus eventualis to Reeva only, when it's irrelevant who was behind the door.
Can't find a more detailed explanation though. Do you know if there's any truth to it?
joeysteele
11-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Well the Judge has spoken and in the eyes of the law he isn't a murderer and I guess that's all that matters for now
It does indeed,I do however feel there is more likely than not a guilty verdict coming for the similar to manslaughter charge from her tomorrow.
Not certain by any means as I felt she would have had little hesitation saying so to that today.
I actually thought the Judge had really looked into everything really carefully.
For me,I prefer a jury system of law for those pleading not guilty but I do think this Judge has done a really good job.
CaudleHalbard
11-09-2014, 08:00 PM
He could still get up to 15 years in the slammer apparently.
user104658
11-09-2014, 08:00 PM
I've been reading a number of comments on twitter saying that say the judge has made an error in law by the way she restricted dolus eventualis to Reeva only, when it's irrelevant who was behind the door.
Can't find a more detailed explanation though. Do you know if there's any truth to it?
Only if it's illegal to shoot and kill an intruder, otherwise IF there's a convincing enough argument that he, personally, had no doubt that it was an intruder then it technically wouldn't apply. The key in it is not there being an objective risk of hurting an innocent bystander - but that the person themselves KNEW what they were doing risked harm to an innocent bystander.
It sounds like he is going to be charged in some way or other, though. At the very least, he has a history of being reckless with firearms AND of being paranoid about home invasion, so having those weapons around at all was somewhat negligent in my opinion. Let alone the way he actually used one.
Like I said earlier I think the prosecution got it totally wrong in going for premeditated / deliberate murder. I fully believe that he knew it was her in the bathroom, but I think he was just angry in the heat of an argument and lost it when she locked him out of the bathroom. I don't think he actually meant to kill her, and that fits with the witness' description of how distressed he was (he probably snapped out of the anger as soon as he realised what he had done).
I'm completely unsurprised that any justice here has been on the extremely soft side, though. Their methods of trial are questionable at best and he's a very high profile celebrity over there.
user104658
11-09-2014, 08:07 PM
For me,I prefer a jury system of law for those pleading not guilty but I do think this Judge has done a really good job.
Yes, the whole thing is a little bit too Judge Dredd for me.
I would prefer a jury made up of experts, personally; psychologists, doctors, criminologists, forensic scientists etc.
A jury of peers is something that would terrify me if I was on trial for something I hadn't done. A random sample of the general public is, unfortunately, by definition likely to have a very "average" average intelligence level and frankly... average intelligence falls somewhere between "a bit slow" and "moderately retarded". Average Mr Public is very easily lead and reactionary. You also have the (huge) problem of people changing their stance to go with the majority simply so that everyone gets to go home / can get back to their jobs.
So yeah, I'd have a similar system with a large pool of potential jurors but with people only being signed up to that pool once they've achieved certain qualifications... and it would just be an expected part of the job for people going into those fields.
Angelika
11-09-2014, 09:43 PM
[QUOTE=joeysteele;7260676I prefer a jury system of law for those pleading not guilty but I do think this Judge has done a really good job.[/QUOTE]
South African law is a very sophisticated modern system derived from Roman-Dutch, Westminster and Customs connected to the population. Its fair and relies on leading legal experts, Judges, to examine and decide the case. The Judge is able to chose Accessors to hear the evidence and give opinions. The Accessors are sometimes other judges or experts in fields relating to the type of evidence the case may provide.
I would rather have my fate was determined by experts rather than random individuals drawn from our society.
The Judge and two Accessors in the Pistorious case have done a sterling job applying the law and sifting through the hours of evidence.
Angelika
11-09-2014, 09:52 PM
Yes, the whole thing is a little bit too Judge Dredd for me.
I would prefer a jury made up of experts, personally; psychologists, doctors, criminologists, forensic scientists etc.
A jury of peers is something that would terrify me if I was on trial for something I hadn't done. A random sample of the general public is, unfortunately, by definition likely to have a very "average" average intelligence level and frankly... average intelligence falls somewhere between "a bit slow" and "moderately retarded". Average Mr Public is very easily lead and reactionary. You also have the (huge) problem of people changing their stance to go with the majority simply so that everyone gets to go home / can get back to their jobs.
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We should start pushing for judicial reforms and abolish jury of peers in GB. It's very risky.
Just imagine a jury made up of Pauline from BB, James Jordan, Dee, Jo Essex, Ryland etc. They can't be better than experts with proven track records.
Angelika
11-09-2014, 10:07 PM
Any normal person would check on their partner if they thought they heard someone breaking in, if not at least to see if they were okay, to tell them to call the police, to make sure they stayed where they were.. they wouldn't roll out of bed straight away, grab a gun and fire it through a door, no knowing who or what is on the other side, it just doesn't make sense at all.
It's people like you that make the jury system in the UK very dangerous!
Speculating, coming to false conclusions, pre-judging and projecting your own prejudices onto the accused. You simply have no idea about the circumstances, the culture or the people concerned to be able to make any judgement.
The Judge in the Case has in fact got insight and all the facts and has heard the evidence so why don't you just leave the judgement to her. The judge is an expert.
GypsyGoth
11-09-2014, 10:12 PM
He is a short tempered scumbag who got away with murder.
andybigbro
11-09-2014, 10:16 PM
I think it's shocking :bored:
Angelika
11-09-2014, 10:40 PM
If your famous and rich, you can get away with murder,oops looks like he has
Your prejudice is showing!
It's not thoughtful or clever to make a remark like that..........it reveals more about you than anyone else.
You might be easy to pay off, but you are insinuating the Honorable Judge in the case is on your level. I don't think so!
Think about this very carefully : We can only judge others by what we would do
in the same situation. When you make a suggetion as you have above - it's not because you know they did something but because that is what you would do in those circumstances. :nono:
Kizzy
12-09-2014, 12:09 AM
It's OJ all over again....
Brother Leon
12-09-2014, 12:28 AM
It's OJ all over again....
Maybe if he actually walked free......
GypsyGoth
12-09-2014, 07:17 AM
I think if he is let off people with no legs will get beaten up all over the world.
I think if he is let off people with no legs will get beaten up all over the world.
lets get them!!!!
Niamh.
12-09-2014, 09:06 AM
Only if it's illegal to shoot and kill an intruder, otherwise IF there's a convincing enough argument that he, personally, had no doubt that it was an intruder then it technically wouldn't apply. The key in it is not there being an objective risk of hurting an innocent bystander - but that the person themselves KNEW what they were doing risked harm to an innocent bystander.
It sounds like he is going to be charged in some way or other, though. At the very least, he has a history of being reckless with firearms AND of being paranoid about home invasion, so having those weapons around at all was somewhat negligent in my opinion. Let alone the way he actually used one.
Like I said earlier I think the prosecution got it totally wrong in going for premeditated / deliberate murder. I fully believe that he knew it was her in the bathroom, but I think he was just angry in the heat of an argument and lost it when she locked him out of the bathroom. I don't think he actually meant to kill her, and that fits with the witness' description of how distressed he was (he probably snapped out of the anger as soon as he realised what he had done).
I'm completely unsurprised that any justice here has been on the extremely soft side, though. Their methods of trial are questionable at best and he's a very high profile celebrity over there.
Yeah, to me, this sounds like the most logical explanation for what happened.
I don't mean to sound condescending when I ask this but I wonder if any of the people who believe his version of events actually share a bed with a full time partner? Just because for me it seems so bizarre that you wouldn't instinctively turn to them in the bed first thing if you thought you heard an intruder or if you thought you heard someone in your bathroom that your first thought wouldn't be that it's your partner in there? So you'd atleast make sure that they were lying next to you before you unload a gun through the locked door
lostalex
12-09-2014, 09:24 AM
it depends what you mean by premeditated murder. I think he has a long history of abuse, and he definitely intended to hurt women over and over and over again. Do i think he planned to kill her a week in advance? no, but i do think based on his actions he planned on shooting her at least 10 minutes in advance. is 10 minutes long enough to be considered premeditated?
how long exactly is "premeditated"?
lostalex
12-09-2014, 09:26 AM
I think abusive straight men like him should have similar restrictions put on them just like child molesters do. He shouldn't be allowed within 50 yards of any women and should be totally isolated. He obviously has a problem with abusing women, and no women are safe around him unsupervised. he's clearly a misogynist piece of ****.
Niamh.
12-09-2014, 09:28 AM
it depends what you mean by premeditated murder. I think he has a long history of abuse, and he definitely intended to hurt women over and over and over again. Do i think he planned to kill her a week in advance? no, but i do think based on his actions he planned on shooting her at least 10 minutes in advance. is 10 minutes long enough to be considered premeditated?
how long exactly is "premeditated"?
I guess the difference is doing it in the heat of the moment while in the middle of a rage or calmly planning it in advance? I don't know, either way dead is dead for that woman
lostalex
12-09-2014, 09:29 AM
I guess the difference is doing it in the heat of the moment while in the middle of a rage or calmly planning it in advance? I don't know, either way dead is dead for that woman
exactly, it doesn't matter if it was premeditated or not, the fact is he is a danger to the public (especially women) and a killer either way.
how can he ever be trusted to be alone with a woman ever again? even if it is a psychological disorder, he could snap at any moment. we know this about him, and he has a long history of it.
I hope with all my heart he's not given some reduced sentence because of his disability and his nature as a high profile celebrity and all that... just watch it happen now.
Northern Monkey
12-09-2014, 10:18 AM
His defense councellor is a dumbass.He just gave his address out live on TV!:facepalm:
lostalex
12-09-2014, 10:21 AM
I hope all women in abusive relationships are paying attention. He will kill you.
Niamh.
12-09-2014, 10:29 AM
Back on topic please
the truth
12-09-2014, 11:05 AM
Glad hes going to prison. He gung ho attitude with guns is a disgrace. I found his testimony to be bizarre and his general tone hinted at self pity, impatience, temper and used to demanding his own way. He seems emotionally unstable too. I just cant believe what he did? was he drunk? Reading his angry text messages before too hint at a person with serious issues. dreadful business, my love goes out to reeva and her family and friends
Brother Leon
12-09-2014, 11:48 AM
Guilty of Culpable Homicide. Right decision. His 12 months House Arrest will probably be considered for the sentence.
the truth
12-09-2014, 11:59 AM
Guilty of Culpable Homicide. Right decision. His 12 months House Arrest will probably be considered for the sentence.
yes. if hes a good boy from now on and seeks counselling and so on , good behaviour in prison , if he survives it, then it could be fewer than 5 years
joeysteele
12-09-2014, 02:00 PM
It could be a lot less, some experts feel she may even suspend any prison sentence.
This is a really odd case and I say again,I am really grateful for our way of law than the South African way.
Angelika
12-09-2014, 10:04 PM
I think abusive straight men like him should have similar restrictions put on them just like child molesters do. He shouldn't be allowed within 50 yards of any women and should be totally isolated. He obviously has a problem with abusing women, and no women are safe around him unsupervised. he's clearly a misogynist piece of ****.
The jury system defo has to go!
Livia
12-09-2014, 10:47 PM
It could be a lot less, some experts feel she may even suspend any prison sentence.
This is a really odd case and I say again,I am really grateful for our way of law than the South African way.
Completely agree about our legal system. And yes, I was reading a suspended sentence might be likely.
The jury system defo has to go!
What do you intend to replace it with, exactly?
Brother Leon
12-09-2014, 11:02 PM
The jury system defo has to go!
There isn't a Jury in south Africa. It is down to the Judge.
jaxie
13-09-2014, 01:34 PM
I was quite surprised by the outcome of the Oscar Pistorius trial as it stands so far. I don't buy his story at all, it seems ridiculously far fetched that you wouldn't alert your girlfriend to a possible intruder, call out to her, check she is in bed or get her to call the cops while you investigate. It seems incredible that someone would shoot through a locked door four times without knowing who was on the other side and where other people in the household were. I feel so sorry for her family, they must be in agony that he appears to be getting off lightly.
I think they had a row, she locked herself in the bathroom, he went and got his gun.
Thoughts anyone?
Beastie
13-09-2014, 01:36 PM
I am surprised too. Wait is he going to jail? I know he is guilty of at least one charge. He should go to jail for at least 20 years.
jaxie
13-09-2014, 01:43 PM
I am surprised too. Wait is he going to jail? I know he is guilty of at least one charge. He should go to jail for at least 20 years.
They were saying on the news he may get community service or something. He is still on bail. He has been nightclubbing while on bail apparently. So um you kill your lover and feel ok to go nightclubbing while on trial for murder? :shrug: If I killed someone I cared about by accident I'd be in a dark room, rocking!
Livia
13-09-2014, 04:06 PM
Justice... from the same country that brought you apartheid. I know none of us know all the facts of the trial, but from what we do know, to hear he may get a suspended sentence, or even community service just sounds ridiculous to me.
user104658
13-09-2014, 08:34 PM
Justice... from the same country that brought you apartheid. I know none of us know all the facts of the trial, but from what we do know, to hear he may get a suspended sentence, or even community service just sounds ridiculous to me.
All I can say is, if it was my daughter, he would be well advised to request a lengthy stay in a nice, safe prison cell.
joeysteele
13-09-2014, 08:57 PM
I am surprised too. Wait is he going to jail? I know he is guilty of at least one charge. He should go to jail for at least 20 years.
We don't know, the next sentencing hearing starts on 13th October,however what he has been found guilty of means for that, he can only go to prison for up to 15 years maximum.
So if she decides on a prison term then it is likely to be a lot less after her thoughts as to summing up the original murder charges too which she acquitted him on.
There is also a gun charge she found him guilty of too but that is more likely to be a fine according to some experts interviewed.
So we, and he, still don't know if he is going to prison, at least in our system an accused found guilty of something is told they likely face a custodial sentence.
Whereas here, this Judge hasn't indicated any thoughts as to what possible sentence she will be or even may be looking at.
Bluerang1
13-09-2014, 09:29 PM
He KILLED someone. He deserves jail time I don't care the reason besides self defense. And this was not self defense because he wasn't attacked, he only "assumed" there was an intruder behind the door.
GypsyGoth
13-09-2014, 09:54 PM
He KILLED someone. He deserves jail time I don't care the reason besides self defense. And this was not self defense because he wasn't attacked, he only "assumed" there was an intruder behind the door.
Yep, the judge got it wrong, he intended to kill the person behind the door, his gun was loaded with explosive bullets. It doesn't matter that as he claims he thought it was someone other than Reeva.
He is guilty of murder.
arista
13-09-2014, 10:38 PM
Yep, the judge got it wrong, he intended to kill the person behind the door, his gun was loaded with explosive bullets. It doesn't matter that as he claims he thought it was someone other than Reeva.
He is guilty of murder.
Bang On Right
Nedusa
14-09-2014, 04:58 AM
I'm sorry but just don't buy any of the defence's story, all the crying in the world by Mr Pistorius doesn't alter the facts in this case.
He shot someone 4 times in locked toilet cubicle so he he intended to cause harm and/or death to that person. So that is enough for murder in the second degree.
But reading the circumstances in this case I would argue he had a massive argument with his girlfriend for whatever reason and she decided to take refuge from him in the toilet upon which he deliberately fired his gun at her 4 times with intent to murder. So for me the sentence should be murder in the first degree ie premeditated murder.
I don't buy any of this intruder nonsense , utter baloney he lived in gated community and was known for having firearms , besides intruders in South Africa usually come through the front door and make lots of noise to frighten the homeowners, sometimes they go to the kitchen and boil water to assail their victims with. They do not I repeat do not hide in toilets.
Utter nonsense , what happened that night is pretty clear to most people and in a jury trial I'm pretty sure he would have been found guilty .
I feel sorry for the parents and family of Reva Steenkamp as they have not had justice. This trial has been hijacked by the media and has been used to further certain political aims.
I only hope he serves a reasonable amount of jail time but am fearful this farcical trial may even pass a non custodial sentence.
joeysteele
14-09-2014, 10:18 AM
I'm sorry but just don't buy any of the defence's story, all the crying in the world by Mr Pistorius doesn't alter the facts in this case.
He shot someone 4 times in locked toilet cubicle so he he intended to cause harm and/or death to that person. So that is enough for murder in the second degree.
But reading the circumstances in this case I would argue he had a massive argument with his girlfriend for whatever reason and she decided to take refuge from him in the toilet upon which he deliberately fired his gun at her 4 times with intent to murder. So for me the sentence should be murder in the first degree ie premeditated murder.
I don't buy any of this intruder nonsense , utter baloney he lived in gated community and was known for having firearms , besides intruders in South Africa usually come through the front door and make lots of noise to frighten the homeowners, sometimes they go to the kitchen and boil water to assail their victims with. They do not I repeat do not hide in toilets.
Utter nonsense , what happened that night is pretty clear to most people and in a jury trial I'm pretty sure he would have been found guilty .
I feel sorry for the parents and family of Reva Steenkamp as they have not had justice. This trial has been hijacked by the media and has been used to further certain political aims.
I only hope he serves a reasonable amount of jail time but am fearful this farcical trial may even pass a non custodial sentence.
I agree with all you say really Nedusa, however as to the bit in bold, the Judge has said she is satisfied that was not his intention and that the State hasn't persuaded her otherwise.
She has found him guilty of culpable homicide but onlt from being negligent and using excessive force.
For the time this trial has taken and its stops and starts,I applaud even more our Law system, which can take a lot of time to get through the courts at times too but I believe is far more reflective and accurate as to the results.
Ninastar
15-09-2014, 11:53 PM
Watching the trial documentary on bBC3... Thought they would try and make on he was innocent... But it's been very non-biased
I totally think he did it on purpose though... A witness heard women's screams before he shot her! Like what the hell
Brother Leon
16-09-2014, 12:06 AM
Watching the trial documentary on bBC3... Thought they would try and make on he was innocent... But it's been very non-biased
I totally think he did it on purpose though... A witness heard women's screams before he shot her! Like what the hell
And other witnesses heard Male screams. Judge rightfully decided the witness reports couldn't to be a big factor in terms of deciding the decision.
Ninastar
16-09-2014, 12:11 AM
That's not the only thing, the text messages just a few weeks beforehand, the position of her body in the bathroom and the fact people heard them screaming at each other before (other occasions)
I did think that there could well have been enough doubt for him not to get a murder conviction. If you look at all the evidence, both sides of the argument, and the judge's reasoning for her decision then you can see why he was acquitted on that charge
Also it should be remembered that the judge was a female who has a strong track record of giving harsh sentences to men who abuse women, and the main international and media pressure would have been pushing for a murder conviction. The fact she rejected that is more due to the prosecution's case not being strong enough, it isn't proof of corruption or a really messed up justice system imo.
lostalex
16-09-2014, 12:15 AM
Let's all take a moment to think about all the times he beat the **** out of women and terrorized women and didn't kill them. To get to this point, it means he has been terrorizing women for a long ass time.\\ then he finally killed one.
but according to the judge, that is "normal in relationships". because all relationships have conflict. south african women must feel very safe right now.
lostalex
16-09-2014, 12:17 AM
I did think that there could well have been enough doubt for him not to get a murder conviction. If you look at all the evidence, both sides of the argument, and the judge's reasoning for her decision then you can see why he was acquitted on that charge
Also it should be remembered that the judge was a female who has a strong track record of giving harsh sentences to men who abuse women, and the main international and media pressure would have been pushing for a murder conviction. The fact she rejected that is more due to the prosecution's case not being strong enough, it isn't proof of corruption or a really messed up justice system imo.
the prosecution's case was the cold hard facts, how was that enough??? you and I have a very different idea of justice bro.
Niamh.
16-09-2014, 09:23 AM
Watching the trial documentary on bBC3... Thought they would try and make on he was innocent... But it's been very non-biased
I totally think he did it on purpose though... A witness heard women's screams before he shot her! Like what the hell
Also, they said that Reeva had her bags packed, I didn't know that, makes it even more unbelievable tbh.
Speaking of that documentary, how weird were those drawings her parents showed that she drew when she was a teenager? :shocked:
Ninastar
16-09-2014, 10:37 AM
Also, they said that Reeva had her bags packed, I didn't know that, makes it even more unbelievable tbh.
Speaking of that documentary, how weird were those drawings her parents showed that she drew when she was a teenager? :shocked:
very, very weird... this is why I believe in premonitions and some 'spiritual' stuff... Incredible. Incredible, but also heartbreaking.
didnt realise she had her bags packed... very strange is that.
Niamh.
16-09-2014, 10:38 AM
very, very weird... this is why I believe in premonitions and some 'spiritual' stuff... Incredible. Incredible, but also heartbreaking.
didnt realise she had her bags packed... very strange is that.
It was, I felt so bad for her dad especially (her mom as well obviusly but her dad just looked completely broken)
I did think that there could well have been enough doubt for him not to get a murder conviction. If you look at all the evidence, both sides of the argument, and the judge's reasoning for her decision then you can see why he was acquitted on that charge
Also it should be remembered that the judge was a female who has a strong track record of giving harsh sentences to men who abuse women, and the main international and media pressure would have been pushing for a murder conviction. The fact she rejected that is more due to the prosecution's case not being strong enough, it isn't proof of corruption or a really messed up justice system imo.
Yeah have to agree with this 100%
I am South African and whilst most of my family and friends + myself believe he intended to murder her, Nell did not do enough to prove this in court.
Whilst the texts were indeed proof that he is a grade A knob...it's not proof of murder.
One thng that has always bothered me about this case is that nobody has mentioned the panic button ,99.99% in gated communities there is one beside the bed aswell as various other places throughout the house.Given how his own defence played on how paranoid he was I find it unbelievable that he wouldn't have one.
If I was to believe him that he thought there was intruders why didn't he press it ?
If myself and my sister (who still lives in SA) are on skype and she goes out for a cigarette she will always take a panic button with her and she is nowhere security obsessed as he was described
Niamh.
16-09-2014, 02:28 PM
Yeah have to agree with this 100%
I am South African and whilst most of my family and friends + myself believe he intended to murder her, Nell did not do enough to prove this in court.
Whilst the texts were indeed proof that he is a grade A knob...it's not proof of murder.
One thng that has always bothered me about this case is that nobody has mentioned the panic button ,99.99% in gated communities there is one beside the bed aswell as various other places throughout the house.Given how his own defence played on how paranoid he was I find it unbelievable that he wouldn't have one.
If I was to believe him that he thought there was intruders why didn't he press it ?
If myself and my sister (who still lives in SA) are on skype and she goes out for a cigarette she will always take a panic button with her and she is nowhere security obsessed as he was described
Good to hear a South Africans perspective on it Lime. That's a very interesting point you raise about the panic button, makes sense that if he's paranoid enough to keep a loaded gun under his bed, he would have a panic button too
Ninastar
16-09-2014, 02:46 PM
It was, I felt so bad for her dad especially (her mom as well obviusly but her dad just looked completely broken)
Yep me too. Was hard to watch! Nearly had me crying at parts
lostalex
17-09-2014, 02:09 PM
If were Reeva's Dad, I would chop off Pistorius' arms.
I'd leave him just a pathetic blob with 4 stumps.
Niamh.
17-09-2014, 02:12 PM
If were Reeva's Dad, I would chop off Pistorius' arms.
I'd leave him just a pathetic blob with 4 stumps.
Poor man had a stroke just before the trial started, no doubt brought about by it all
Decision imminent for his sentence
Niamh.
21-10-2014, 09:11 AM
Just got 5 years
Vanessa
21-10-2014, 09:12 AM
:shocked:
Niamh.
21-10-2014, 09:13 AM
Oscar Pistorius jailed for 5 years for killing girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp
OSCAR PISTORIUS HAS been sentenced to five years in jail for killing his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on St Valentine’s Day last year.
He was also given a three-year suspended sentence for gun charges.
Handing down the sentences today, Judge Thokozile Masipa emphasised that the “decision on sentence is mine and mine alone”, despite the presence of two assessors in the courtroom.
She told the court that sentencing is an imprecise and imperfect procedure and that there are a number of appropriate sentences often available to criminal judges.
As she came towards her conclusion, she said that nothing she could do today would “reverse what happened on 14 February 2013″, but added that she hoped her decision would give closure to the Steenkamp family so they could “move on with their lives”.
She said that to reach an appropriate sentence, she was “duty-bound” to consider the nature and seriousness of the offences and the personal circumstances of the accused, as well as the interest of society.
Sentencing is about finding a balance, Masipa added, citing retribution, deterrence and rehabilitation as important factors.
Judge Masipa spent over 60 minutes delivering her rationale for the sentence. She said she was “satisfied” that the South African prison system can deal with people with special needs, an argument used by the defence lawyers as they tried to help the Paralympian avoid jail time.
“I have no reason that the accused would present the correctional services with an insurmountable challenge,” Masipa added.
She also said she was “uneasy” with the defence’s painting of the Olympian, noting that although he was “vulnerable”, he also has “excellent coping skills”.
He rarely saw himself as disabled and he excelled at his chosen sport, she noted.
Masipa also dismissed defence arguments that Pistorius would suffer more in prison than other convicted criminals.
It would be a sad day for this country if an impression were to be created that there was one law for the poor and disadvantaged and another for the rich and famous.
The judge cited a number of other culpable homicide cases where non-custodial sentences were handed down, but she noted that Oscar Pistorius’s case was “dissimilar”.
She said that there was an aggravating and significant factor in that the athlete was trained in the use of the gun.
“Using a lethal weapon, a loaded firearm, the accused fired not one, but four shots into the door,” she continued.
“The toilet was a small cubicle and there was no room for escape for the person behind the door.”
Speaking outside court after the hearing, the Steenkamp family said they were hoping to move forward.
“We are satisfied,” Reeva’s father told reporters. ”I am just happy it is over,” added her mother, June.
Pistorius was found not guilty of murder after a six-month long trial this year. The court had heard how the man who became the first Paralympian in history to compete against able-bodied athletes at the 2012 London Olympics has lost his career and a loved one.
Masipa noted during the ruling the “enormous” contribution he had made to society, through charitable donations – both monetary and time – and by inspiring those with disability, as well as changing the public’s perception of disability.
http://www.thejournal.ie/oscar-pistorius-sentenced-1736505-Oct2014/
Crimson Dynamo
21-10-2014, 09:26 AM
He will be out in 10 months
unbelievable
Niamh.
21-10-2014, 09:27 AM
He will be out in 10 months
unbelievable
It's a disgrace
Vicky.
21-10-2014, 09:28 AM
****ing disgraceful. I really feel for Reevas family tbh
Crimson Dynamo
21-10-2014, 09:30 AM
The judge in summing up sounded like she was more covering her own ass than serving justice
Both Reeva's parents and the lawyer for her family have said they are happy with the sentence
arista
21-10-2014, 09:37 AM
It's a disgrace
Yes I blame the Corrupt Judge
Kizzy
21-10-2014, 09:38 AM
If he'd shot my daughter I wouldn't be... shocking outcome.
Niamh.
21-10-2014, 10:11 AM
Both Reeva's parents and the lawyer for her family have said they are happy with the sentence
probably because they thought he'd walk away with community service
Liam-
21-10-2014, 10:42 AM
That's a disgustingly low amount of time to be served by a cold blooded murderer.
Shaun
21-10-2014, 11:49 AM
Indeed, which is why he wasn't found guilty of premeditated murder...
Tom4784
21-10-2014, 11:56 AM
I'm pleasantly surprised that he got any jail time, I heard that he might have been able to avoid prison completely due to a lack of prisons being able to facilitate his condition. I'm glad he'll face some prison time at least.
Nedusa
21-10-2014, 12:11 PM
Roses are Red, Violets are Glorious....Never creep up on Oscar Pistorious
Nedusa
21-10-2014, 12:15 PM
When asked if he was going to continue his running career after prison, Mr Pistorious was heard replying that rather than worry about him entering other races, he was currently more concerned with other races entering him....
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Cherie
21-10-2014, 04:13 PM
I heard on some news bulletin that Pistorious was paying Reeva's parents a sum of money every month, so maybe don't be too surprised that they are happy with the short sentence, if that is true it beggars belief that they accepted his money :nono:
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