Minimum wage may be frozen...or cut

[Vicky.]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9965039/Minimum-wage-could-be-frozen-or-cut-if-it-starts-to-cost-jobs-or-damage-economy-Government-suggests.html

Anyone surprised by this?

Fed up of demonising people on benefits...now they start to pick on the lower paid workers :rolleyes:

No minimum wage = higher benefits bill as the taxpayer has to subsidise comapnies paying lower wages. Higher benefit bill = 'need more cuts, welfare spending is out of control'. And so on.

[joeysteele]

I have always expected the Conservatives to freeze the minimum wage or reduce the increase as to it.
It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Another rotten and wrong idea.

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9965039/Minimum-wage-could-be-frozen-or-cut-if-it-starts-to-cost-jobs-or-damage-economy-Government-suggests.html

Anyone surprised by this?

Fed up of demonising people on benefits...now they start to pick on the lower paid workers :rolleyes:

Just part of your average Tory policy of stamping on the lower classes while using the labour of the masses to feather their own nests - it's the poor wot gets the blame, it's the rich wot gets the pleasure ..... :shrug:

[Jack_]

So now not only is it as if being unemployed is a crime, but being a lower paid worker is too. Well I ****ing never.

Because these recent austerity cuts are so going to improve social mobility, aren't they?

[Vicky.]

So now not only is it as if being unemployed is a crime, but being a lower paid worker is too. Well I ****ing never.

Because these recent austerity cuts are so going to improve social mobility, aren't they?

It would be funny if it wasnt so serious.

They cut benefits to apparently 'make work pay'. Then they make work pay less too.

I bet their millionaire pals will be over the moon at the prospect of being able to pay the people who actually make their money for them even less :wink:

[Omah]

The mugs from the masses who voted the Tories back into power are increasingly finding their faces covered in egg, thrown by those who are can afford to waste such a luxury item ..... :pipe:

[Jack_]

It would be funny if it wasnt so serious.

They cut benefits to apparently 'make work pay'. Then they make work pay less too.

I bet their millionaire pals will be over the moon at the prospect of being able to pay the people who actually make their money for them even less :wink:

Political Economy regards the proletarian...like a horse, he must receive enough to enable him to work. It does not consider him, during the time when he is not working, as a human being.

Karl Marx

http://tps-report.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/marx12.jpg

Funny how 75% of that has happened :whistle:

[Jake.]

Well that's bloody fantastic news for people like me

[Marc]

Where's all our money going :suspect:

[arista]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9965039/Minimum-wage-could-be-frozen-or-cut-if-it-starts-to-cost-jobs-or-damage-economy-Government-suggests.html

Anyone surprised by this?

Fed up of demonising people on benefits...now they start to pick on the lower paid workers :rolleyes:

No minimum wage = higher benefits bill as the taxpayer has to subsidise companies paying lower wages. Higher benefit bill = 'need more cuts, welfare spending is out of control'. And so on.


No Vicky
Times are Real Hard
I expect even more

[arista]

http://tps-report.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/marx12.jpg

Funny how 75% of that has happened :whistle:


No Jack
Communism
would never work.


No Nation has it

[Vicky.]

No Vicky
Times are Real Hard
I expect even more

Yes, but potentially cutting wages means less tax is collected and more benefits will have to be paid out on top too. Surely you dont support increasing the benefit bill?

[Omah]

Yes, but potentially cutting wages means less tax is collected and more benefits will have to be paid out on top too. Surely you dont support increasing the benefit bill?

The Tories have already thought of that - reduce the numbers who qualify for benefits and pay the remainder less - that way those at the bottom not providing an income for those at the top will starve or freeze to death sooner ..... :idc:

[arista]

Yes, but potentially cutting wages means less tax is collected and more benefits will have to be paid out on top too. Surely you dont support increasing the benefit bill?


No I do not.


its a temp blip.

[Jesus.]

No Vicky
Times are Real Hard
I expect even more

Arista, at some point this information is going to have to sink in. You say it does, but then you just repeat the same nonsense over again.

Times don't have to be this hard, and there are proven ways to ease the burden on the British people.

My work is not immune to recession, but it's not directly affected by it either, and minimum wage is not a personal issue for me, but growth comes from the bottom, and when more people do well it rises everyone else's level up.

People at the bottom spend every penny of their money in the economy - which currently needs it, whereas people at the top save their money, and invest very little in the economy.

When you build a house, you don't start with the roof.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21998784

Chancellor George Osborne is to defend benefits and tax changes, saying "nine out of 10 working households will be better off".

Mr Osborne is set to say: "For too long, we've had a system where people who did the right thing - who get up in the morning and work hard - felt penalised for it, while people who did the wrong thing got rewarded for it.

"That's wrong. So this month we're going to put things right."



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117

20 March 2013

Unemployment

The number of people out of work rose by 7,000 to 2.52 million in the three months to January, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The unemployment rate of 7.8% of the economically active population was unchanged from the previous quarter.

Where are the jobs, George ..... :rolleyes:

[arista]

"My work is not immune to recession"


Yes JHC
I have to Invest in China
to get a better return.


Sign Of The Times

[joeysteele]

Arista, at some point this information is going to have to sink in. You say it does, but then you just repeat the same nonsense over again.

Times don't have to be this hard, and there are proven ways to ease the burden on the British people.

My work is not immune to recession, but it's not directly affected by it either, and minimum wage is not a personal issue for me, but growth comes from the bottom, and when more people do well it rises everyone else's level up.

People at the bottom spend every penny of their money in the economy - which currently needs it, whereas people at the top save their money, and invest very little in the economy.

When you build a house, you don't start with the roof.

Very well said.

[Kizzy]

"My work is not immune to recession"


Yes JHC
I have to Invest in China
to get a better return.


Sign Of The Times

You don't worry about China, they're OK.
Any employer that outsources to china or the developing world are by default ruining this country.

[arista]

You don't worry about China, they're OK.
Any employer that outsources to china or the developing world are by default ruining this country.


Kizzy they are Not OK
in one city they can not breath due to the Toxic Smog.


I help the UK with Contracts from the World.



As for using China
Every Big Company does it.

Wharfedale Speakers are Designed and tested here in the UK
but have to be made in a China Hi Fi Factory
or they would go under.


Kizzy you can not change these things.
I must fly you to America some time.

[Kizzy]

Yes, they do it to cut production costs, I see your 'how exploitative can it be' argument as without UK work they would suffer ... but we are suffering too.
If pot noodle can do it?... haha
I am fine in the UK ta but cheers for the offer :)

[Kizzy]

Then you see this... :devil:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/02/queen-gets-5m-payrise-taxpayer

[arista]

Then you see this... :devil:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/02/queen-gets-5m-payrise-taxpayer


What do you want
the Palace like a Disney World
bringing in bigger cash

The Queen Downsized to one place

[arista]

Yes, they do it to cut production costs, I see your 'how exploitative can it be' argument as without UK work they would suffer ... but we are suffering too.
If pot noodle can do it?... haha
I am fine in the UK ta but cheers for the offer :)

I know you are fine in the UK
but a 4 day trip can only help you.

[Kizzy]

Help me what?.. how could going to America possibly help me understand the problems within the UK better?

[Shaun]

ridiculous.

[arista]

Help me what?.. how could going to America possibly help me understand the problems within the UK better?


Travel Expands your ideas.
Never Knock Travel Kizzy

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/02/article-2302597-190BD82E000005DC-454_634x400.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/02/article-2302597-190B98A7000005DC-689_634x400.jpg

At Morrisons in Kent
he asked all those Hard Working UK Workers
if any thought people on benefits should be on £26,000 a year
Not One Worker raised a hand
Fact

[Jack_]

'For hardworking people'

just **** off

[arista]

'For hardworking people'

just **** off


No Jack
thats TV News
Do Not Insult those Morrisons Workers.

I will get Angry with you.

[Kizzy]

Arista, nobody thinks that is acceptable! working or otherwise, who is this person who is on this money? there is none...
The question you have to ask yourself is why are the conservatives trying to turn everyone against benefit claimants?...
So the workfare scheme is more socially acceptable... how will those workers in morrybobs feel when they are replaced by a conveyor belt of jobseeker claimants every three weeks all chasing their tails trying to get out of the benefit trap?
Not a clue some people, you keep reading the sun, keep digesting the lies and the spin they feed you, gobble it up and spew it out on here.....

[arista]

Arista, nobody thinks that is acceptable! working or otherwise, who is this person who is on this money? there is none...
The question you have to ask yourself is why are the conservatives trying to turn everyone against benefit claimants?...
So the workfare scheme is more socially acceptable... how will those workers in morrybobs feel when they are replaced by a conveyor belt of jobseeker claimants every three weeks all chasing their tails trying to get out of the benefit trap?
Not a clue some people, you keep reading the sun, keep digesting the lies and the spin they feed you, gobble it up and spew it out on here.....

Because New Labour left them to get bigger.


Also I read the Guardian
and use the D.Mail for better Photos
that the Guardian does not want.

[Kizzy]

Because New Labour left them to get bigger.


Also I read the Guardian
and use the D.Mail for better Photos
that the Guardian does not want.
Lets conveniently forget the thatchers years, and the butchery of British industries then eh?

[arista]

Lets conveniently forget the thatchers years, and the butchery of British industries then eh?


No
But the Labour years and Union Control
had to go.

Even Warmonger Blair agreed on that

[joeysteele]

Because New Labour left them to get bigger.


Also I read the Guardian
and use the D.Mail for better Photos
that the Guardian does not want.

Even if, and I stress if, that were true, how can it just and fair to punish those people by removing entitlements they were told were right to claim.

I can understand not giving new entitlements,I can understand limiting rises in benefits but I will never accept in any decent society that it is right to remove in an instant funds that are badly needed by the most vulnerable in the UK,

Whether the welfare problem is the fault of Labour or the Conservatives, (for me though it would have to be both party's who have never in the last 30 years between them done anything to ensure those in most need were fully protected now and in the future),it still cannot be right to be wheeling such extra hardship to people, who have only claimed what they were told was their right to claim, by these measures now.

It is cruel and if Osborne can stand there with signs saying for hardworking people and to then maybe be looking at possibly freezing or cutting the minimum wage shows the political liar and hypocrite he really is and it seems he is among a good few others like that in this sick excuse for a Govt too.

Osborne, the man who every year since 2010 has got near all his forecasts wrong and has had to downgrade them every year since in every statement he has made.
What a total waste of space to be looking after the UK economy,

[arista]

Joey Not One Hard Worker
in that Kent Morrisons
Raised a hand.

You need to watch Ch4News

[joeysteele]

Joey Not One Hard Worker
in that Kent Morrisons
Raised a hand.

You need to watch Ch4News

I rarely watch Channel 4, but then what did the Conservatives say in the the past about people in Unions being asked about decisions in public and that all should be done by secret ballot.

Even in Uni arista, I have been with a group of people who have had something put to them with few raising their hands or even saying anything at all.

Afterwards away from that situation they have disagreed with plenty and said a great deal more as to it too.
I would have liked to hear these workers after this hypocrite had gone, more than what they did while he was lecturing them.

[arista]

I rarely watch Channel 4, but then what did the Conservatives say ain the past bout people in Unions being asked about decisions in public and that all should be done by secret ballot.

Even in Uni arista, I have been with a group of people who have had something put to them with few raising their hands or even saying anything at all.

Afterwards away from that situation they have disagreed with plenty and said a great deal more as to it too.
I would have liked to hear these workers after this hypocrite had gone more than what they did while he was lecturing them.

But Ch4 News spoke to the Workers
and they back Our PM

[joeysteele]

But Ch4 News spoke to the Workers
and they back Our PM

Probably known Conservative supporters then, specially invited to listen to him.

Funny, I can find a lot of people who believe the benefits need to be simplified and looked at again but I find very few that think this Govt is doing it fairly and with understanding of the real problems people face.

Kent is a beautiful place but also is usually strong Conservative heartland however, so I wouldn't put too much strength as to that being the view nationwide arista.

[arista]

Probably known Conservative supporters then, specially invited to listen to him.

Funny, I can find a lot of people who believe the benefits need to be simplified and looked at again but I find very few that think this Govt is doing it fairly and with understanding of the real problems people face.

Kent is a beautiful place but also is usually strong Conservative heartland however, so I wouldn't put too much strength as to that being the view nationwide arista.


No.

[Kizzy]

Ha ha yeah, that's the only way they can drum up support, in fact that was the tory party conference, they just handed out hi viz jackets to pop on over their suits ;)

[arista]

Ha ha yeah, that's the only way they can drum up support, in fact that was the tory party conference, they just handed out hi viz jackets to pop on over their suits ;)


No it was 100% Morrisoins Workers
The press were there Kizzy

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=arista;5917009]No it was 100% Morrisoins Workers
The press were there Kizzy[/QUOTE

Of course, the press are pillars of virtue.:suspect:

[Kizzy]

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[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/02/article-2302597-190BC5F6000005DC-211_634x400.jpg

[joeysteele]

I watched all the news tonight, of all those people who were listening to him, they were then asked if anyone wanted to stay and ask him questions, only 4 did,apparantly 3 asking a question as to Europe.
It really sounds a success.

[Kizzy]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/02/article-2302597-190BC5F6000005DC-211_634x400.jpg

Look it's getting silly now... I haven't seen one publicity shot without a strategically placed can of coke in it for months...
I know it's slightly off topic, but am I going nuts?

[Livia]

Probably known Conservative supporters then, specially invited to listen to him.

Funny, I can find a lot of people who believe the benefits need to be simplified and looked at again but I find very few that think this Govt is doing it fairly and with understanding of the real problems people face.

Kent is a beautiful place but also is usually strong Conservative heartland however, so I wouldn't put too much strength as to that being the view nationwide arista.

I wonder if they could find that many Conservative supporters in one place who'd want to turn out to listen to George, the man with the successful personality bypass.

The Conservative Party refuse to say how many members they have. Do you know why that is? Because they have alienated so many people that they have hardly any members left. That's bad for a party who rely solely on supporters and donations, unlike Labour who currently get Union support. It seems to me that since they formed the Coalition, the Tories have only ever opened their mouths to change feet. They've lurched from one dilemma to another and followed ludicrously unpopular decision with another ludicrously unpopular decision, so much so that even their dyed-in-the-wool faithful are deserting them in droves. And when you think things couldn't get any worse for them, someone at HQ calls the people raising the money and doing the actual supporting, swivel-eyed loons. It's like they have a death-wish. They're out at the next election, and sadly, I can't see anyone better waiting in the wings.

[CaudleHalbard]

Sorry but this has nothing to do with parties, which are an irrelevance.

FACT: our wage rates are too high to be internationally competitive.

National minimum wage has contributed to unemployment, without a doubt. Ultimately it needs to scrapped altogether, otherwise we risk losing our entire manufacturing base and we will become a nation of benefit claimants but with very little tax revenue to pay the benefits.

The future is very worrying.

All the parties know this. None of them are brave enough to say NMW should be scrapped. So they talk about freezing or cutting it. I guess it is a start though.

[Livia]

Sorry but this has nothing to do with parties, which are an irrelevance.

FACT: our wage rates are too high to be internationally competitive.

National minimum wage has contributed to unemployment, without a doubt. Ultimately it needs to scrapped altogether, otherwise we risk losing our entire manufacturing base and we will become a nation of benefit claimants but with very little tax revenue to pay the benefits.

The future is very worrying.

All the parties know this. None of them are brave enough to say NMW should be scrapped. So they talk about freezing or cutting it. I guess it is a start though.


I was wrong... there are some supporters left.

[Kizzy]

Sorry but this has nothing to do with parties, which are an irrelevance.

FACT: our wage rates are too high to be internationally competitive.

National minimum wage has contributed to unemployment, without a doubt. Ultimately it needs to scrapped altogether, otherwise we risk losing our entire manufacturing base and we will become a nation of benefit claimants but with very little tax revenue to pay the benefits.

The future is very worrying.

All the parties know this. None of them are brave enough to say NMW should be scrapped. So they talk about freezing or cutting it. I guess it is a start though.

Are you having a bubble?
Looking at your statement objectively there may be a grain of truth in it...
BUT only if the rest of Europe raised theirs to be more in line with ours to stop the 'working tourists'...
And the cost of living dramatically reduced, at the mo food, rent, travel, and utilities make any reduction impossible to maintain any standard of living on any less.
And even on our minimum wage some are still welfare dependant especially in the south where the cost of living is a lot higher.