Max Clifford Guilty Verdict from 1966 to 1985 : 8 years in prison

[arista]

Breaking News

Was just on BBC London Live News


28th of May
he goes to court.


Max has said these are false assault claims
of course.

[Nedusa]

He needs a publicist to put over his side of the story... Wonder who he'll use ??

[Kazanne]

Breaking News

Was just on BBC London Live News


28th of May
he goes to court.


Max has said these are false assault claims
of course.

Just seen this arista ,are you shocked?

[arista]

Just seen this arista ,are you shocked?


On SkyNewsHD now. And Ch4News Live now





Yes I thought Max was a Good Guy

[arista]

1 girl aged 14 in 1966
1 women aged 18 on 1974/75
3 girl aged 15 in 1977/78
1 women aged 19 in 1978
2 girl aged 16 or 17 in 1981/82
1 women aged 19 in 1980/81
2 women aged 18 in 1984/85


From Ch4News

[Kazanne]

1 girl aged 14 in 1966
1 women aged 18 on 1974/75
3 girl agewd 15 in 1977/78
1 women aged 19 in 1978
2 girl aged 16 or 17 in 1981/82
1 women aged 19 in 1980/81
2 women aged 18 in 1984/85


From Ch4News

Oh dear,he has been busy.if it's true:puzzled:

[arista]

Oh dear,he has been busy.if it's true:puzzled:



Yes Ch4News asked him to go live
but he said he was to tired after the police session

[Vanessa]

I've never liked him, but i didn't expect this! :eek:

[Nedusa]

The first case of underage sexual misconduct/indecent assault was back in 1977/78 over 35 years ago. With the best will in the world I cannot see how any sort of meaningful trial could proceed with such a long time gap.

I have mixed feelings about these current celeb sex abuse claims. Whilst I recognise the CPS would not bring charges without the realistic prospect of a conviction , I struggle to see given the huge amount of time that has passed how any solid conviction could possibly be obtained.

Why did none of these girls/woman ever come forward thirty, twenty, ten or five years ago...????

[MTVN]

He's always been a bit of a dodgy geezer

[Patrick]

Shocked. The bloke always seemed like a nice guy.

Never the less, I'm fed up hearing about these 'scandals' now - the Jimmy Saville story got boring very quickly, now it's simply Police and the Press going around any old celebrity they think is 'abit dodgy' - and either hoping some attention seeking *****, will make a statement claiming they were assaulted by them in the 70s, as if it's at all relevant now - or the Police will try their hardest to find someone willing to 'confess' to being touched by a man.

It's pathetic now. Just let it go. If the girls were in that much distress they would of ******ing came forward decades ago, they don't need Police and the Media all over the show, squeezing them like a lemon, for some sort of juicy X-Rated gossip about Max Clifford's cock.

[arista]

The first case of underage sexual misconduct/indecent assault was back in 1977/78 over 35 years ago. With the best will in the world I cannot see how any sort of meaningful trial could proceed with such a long time gap.

I have mixed feelings about these current celeb sex abuse claims. Whilst I recognise the CPS would not bring charges without the realistic prospect of a conviction , I struggle to see given the huge amount of time that has passed how any solid conviction could possibly be obtained.

Why did none of these girls/woman ever come forward thirty, twenty, ten or five years ago...????

Because they may have thought no one would trust there words

[Nedusa]

Because they may have thought no one would trust there words

Really...??? Surely 35 years ago Max Clifford was just another aspiring wannabe celeb type, not famous at all so why would any woman/ girl who had been assaulted by him not come forward immediately ??

[joeysteele]

Like Nedusa I wonder at all the people no saying anything at the time that were the victims or involved.

I guess though since the Police have been looking at Saville and others that likely many names have been given as also doing these acts.
Really,nothing now surprises me as to the names of 'celebrities' suspected or investigated and charged from decades ago though.

[Kazanne]

Like Nedusa I wonder at all the people no saying anything at the time that were the victims or involved.

I guess though since the Police have been looking at Saville and others that likely many names have been given as also doing these acts.
Really,nothing now surprises me as to the names of 'celebrities' suspected or investigated and charged from decades ago though.

Some surprising names in there Joey,Rolf harris being one of them,their careers are ruined whether they are guilty or not.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh I've always thought that Max Clifford was a bit dodgy so I wouldn't be surprised if his guilty.

And how many of these guys gonna keep being suspected of raping young girls in the past? It's getting quite disturbing how The Police never suspected anything back then.

[Jack_]

It's getting quite disturbing how The Police never suspected anything back then.

Ah come on Mock that's a bit unfair, Sting was a very busy man at the time

[joeysteele]

Some surprising names in there Joey,Rolf harris being one of them,their careers are ruined whether they are guilty or not.

I am still completely stunned Kazanne that Rolf Harris is even suspected, that is a massive shocker if it is really true, apparantly his is just a single allegation at this time. I really hope it is wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Ah come on Mock that's a bit unfair, Sting was a very busy man at the time

:joker:

Very good Jack.

[Livia]

I'm with Nedusa on this one.

Having said that... although he's brilliant at what he does, Max Clifford is an odious individual. Of course being odious isn't against the law, unfortunately.

[joeysteele]

Ah come on Mock that's a bit unfair, Sting was a very busy man at the time

:joker: That was really good and quick Jack.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1083538/max-clifford-charged-with-11-sex-assaults


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/26/max-clifford-charged-indecent-assault

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10021974/Max-Clifford-is-charged-with-eleven-counts-of-indecent-assault.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315388/Max-Clifford-charged-ELEVEN-counts-indecent-assault-police-investigating-Jimmy-Savile-abuse.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/26/article-2315388-1980F9F1000005DC-366_306x527.jpg
Today talking to the Media

[Suze]

I have never really liked him, but that doesn't mean I am apt to believe any or some of the stuff against him or the few others they have been looking into. Anyway, did he suddenly stop all the activity in 85' then? I have no idea what is or isn't true anyway with the names coming out in it all. So many that I can't help that feel there is some bandwagon jumping in amongst the allegations and a few truths maybe.

[King Gizzard]

Not particularly shocked, not that I thought he'd be capable of stuff like this, but he always seemed quite slimey

[Z]

I do agree that coming forward several decades later seems a bit dodgy, but then again, I've technically been the victim of a sexual assault. Sexual assault isn't always a life ruining rapist attacking a victim in public, or a creepy uncle abusing his family connections. In my case, I was very drunk and was forced to do things that I would never have agreed to do in a sober frame of mind with the person who forced themselves upon me. I'm no worse off for the experience - I was very drunk at the time and I can only remember sketchy details, but I later found out from other people that there had been some bragging about what had happened so other people knew what had gone on. As mad as it sounds, I don't want to ruin someone else's life over something that could well have just been a drunken mistake. They might never do that ever again in their lives. I'm not in need of surgery or therapy over the incident, I don't want to ruin someone else's life over something like that...

However, if, some time down the line, I heard that this person was being taken to court over sexual assault, I would seriously reconsider my position on the matter. That, I imagine, is how these situations come to be. Lots of victims who don't necessarily feel victimised, thinking they are isolated incidents. Perhaps they're even friends with the person who committed the assault. I sometimes see the person who assaulted me socially and I don't harbour any ill will towards them. These things can be incredibly complex...

[Nedusa]

I do agree that coming forward several decades later seems a bit dodgy, but then again, I've technically been the victim of a sexual assault. Sexual assault isn't always a life ruining rapist attacking a victim in public, or a creepy uncle abusing his family connections. In my case, I was very drunk and was forced to do things that I would never have agreed to do in a sober frame of mind with the person who forced themselves upon me. I'm no worse off for the experience - I was very drunk at the time and I can only remember sketchy details, but I later found out from other people that there had been some bragging about what had happened so other people knew what had gone on. As mad as it sounds, I don't want to ruin someone else's life over something that could well have just been a drunken mistake. They might never do that ever again in their lives. I'm not in need of surgery or therapy over the incident, I don't want to ruin someone else's life over something like that...

However, if, some time down the line, I heard that this person was being taken to court over sexual assault, I would seriously reconsider my position on the matter. That, I imagine, is how these situations come to be. Lots of victims who don't necessarily feel victimised, thinking they are isolated incidents. Perhaps they're even friends with the person who committed the assault. I sometimes see the person who assaulted me socially and I don't harbour any ill will towards them. These things can be incredibly complex...

That was quite a tough post to read, you have my support for relating what is clearly quite traumatic details of an experience that was for you not consensual

I know from my own experiences that some men make assumptions about a situation that are completely wrong.

I hope you have sought and received the necessary help and support needed to rise above this and have been able to move forward.

[Cherie]

I do agree that coming forward several decades later seems a bit dodgy, but then again, I've technically been the victim of a sexual assault. Sexual assault isn't always a life ruining rapist attacking a victim in public, or a creepy uncle abusing his family connections. In my case, I was very drunk and was forced to do things that I would never have agreed to do in a sober frame of mind with the person who forced themselves upon me. I'm no worse off for the experience - I was very drunk at the time and I can only remember sketchy details, but I later found out from other people that there had been some bragging about what had happened so other people knew what had gone on. As mad as it sounds, I don't want to ruin someone else's life over something that could well have just been a drunken mistake. They might never do that ever again in their lives. I'm not in need of surgery or therapy over the incident, I don't want to ruin someone else's life over something like that...

However, if, some time down the line, I heard that this person was being taken to court over sexual assault, I would seriously reconsider my position on the matter. That, I imagine, is how these situations come to be. Lots of victims who don't necessarily feel victimised, thinking they are isolated incidents. Perhaps they're even friends with the person who committed the assault. I sometimes see the person who assaulted me socially and I don't harbour any ill will towards them. These things can be incredibly complex...

Agree with you, and I'm sure you are not alone in what you have described, individuals will react differently, just because it is years later should not diminish the impact, and should be given just a fair a hearing as something that happened yesterday.

[arista]

On SkyNewsHD
Max just said he will still go to his children Charity.


He says these charges are on not true

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/26/234694/default/v1/mirrorpapers-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/26/234685/default/v1/starpapers-1-329x437.jpg

[Jesus.]

The papers will be all over him. I bet he's caused them no end of grief over the years, and the chance to stick the knife in will be far too tempting.

Salman already started a MC sex offences thread.


Arista should have searched


But he is not wise like Vicky.



Can a good mod merge them please.

[arista]

The papers will be all over him. I bet he's caused them no end of grief over the years, and the chance to stick the knife in will be far too tempting.

Salman already started a MC sex offences thread.


Arista should have searched


But he is not wise like Vicky.



Can a good mod merge them please.


No I did not know the title to search
my first post was a Live Event.

The fact there is now 4 threads on Max
just means no mod has merged them all.

[Jesus.]

No I did not know the title to search
my first post was a Live Event.

The fact there is now 4 threads on Max
just means no mod has merged them all.

Should have searched Max Clifford

You know better than 4 threads.

Life in the slow lane.

[arista]

Should have searched Max Clifford

You know better than 4 threads.

Life in the slow lane.


On Live Posting
I did not have time.


Staff need to merge the lot.


Life In The Fast Lane

[arista]

Found Guilty for 8 Charges


http://news.sky.com/story/1250859/max-clifford-found-guilty-of-sex-charges


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/4/14/302277/default/v1/max-clifford-1-402x293.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh dear max

you have been busted

[Shaun]

Vermin.

[Livia]

I wonder who's going to do his PR?

[arista]

One British girl was 15
he met in 1977 in Spain
and gave her a card of his office.

I guess she may have thought he would get her into being a model
in his Office loads of photos of stars.

[Nedusa]

I reckon Dave Lee Travis will be getting seriously worried how it will turn out for him after this verdict on Max Clifford

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/28/article-2614941-1D6D10E000000578-748_634x489.jpg
produced in the style of Banksy,
appeared on a wall in Battersea. The piece of graffiti was spotted by passersby on a building in York Road on March 28]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614941/BREAKING-NEWS-Max-Clifford-GUILTY-eight-indecent-assaults.html#ixzz30Cr8xLC2

[Z]

Well there you go... what's his sentence?

[Nedusa]

I would be surprised if he avoided a custodial sentence and due to the nature of his crimes he will have to sign the sex offenders register and be banged up along with all the nonces and paedos.

well as they say.......what goes around.. comes around

Looks like he may have to get used to the trousers and pants around the ankles pose

[arista]

He will be Sentenced at 2PM today

[Nedusa]

Informed legal opinion is that he will receive a sentence of about 2 years with 1 year suspended so he will go to prison and probably spend about 6 months inside.

When I say inside I mean inside an open prison with all the comforts of home. He should be able finally make a start on his memoirs...

Can you imagine the stuff he must know ?

[Z]

Informed legal opinion is that he will receive a sentence of about 2 years with 1 year suspended so he will go to prison and probably spend about 6 months inside.

When I say inside I mean inside an open prison with all the comforts of home. He should be able finally make a start on his memoirs...

Can you imagine the stuff he must know ?

It's sadly fitting that a sleazy sex offender is full of sleazy showbiz gossip. The blackmail he must have on so many people...

[arista]

His PR company is due to close today.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His PR company is due to close today.


Indeed

Pervert Relations was never a good name for a company anyway

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/02/article-2618575-1D8483B700000578-511_634x423.jpg

off to prison soon

[AnnieK]

He still looks smug

[arista]

He still looks smug


yes he will order his SkyHD
for his cell
paying in advance

[arista]

He got 8 years

he has no remorse


http://news.sky.com/story/1253963/clifford-jailed-for-eight-years-for-sex-crimes

[AnnieK]

Wow....that's much longer than I expected he'd get. Obviously some fairly strong evidence...

[jackc1806]

I thought he'd either get off or get 1-2 years. Surprised but pleasantly surprised

[Kazanne]

Another dirty old perv getting his just desserts.

[Livia]

Judges are bound by sentencing guidelines. He'll be out in four.

[Smithy]

surprised by that tbh, just assumed it was another bunch of bandwagon accusations like with the corrie actors

[Marsh.]

It's pathetic now. Just let it go. If the girls were in that much distress they would of ******ing came forward decades ago

:facepalm:

[Marsh.]

:suspect:

uMB_e0PH3Hg

[Crimson Dynamo]

he will do 4 of course - 4 years is a still long time

[Tom4784]

I'm pleasantly surprised, I thought he'd be out in a year or less. I'm glad he's going to spend at least a few years behind bars.

[arista]

:suspect:

uMB_e0PH3Hg


Yes like he is the Director of it
at that time.


The Judge was Angry about this Report
"that Max Clifford could do that behind a reporter like that"

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/2/306655/default/v2/bmqnhr0iiaau-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/2/306646/default/v1/bmqhdfmceaa7knb-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/2/306651/default/v1/bmqphfzcqaevgih-1-329x437.jpg

[Nedusa]

I think most people are surprised he got 8 years, as his crimes were committed before the laws were changed in theory he should have got no more than two years.

But to make the sentence fit the current Max sentence for this type of crime the judge ordered that he serve his eight sentences ranging from 6 months to 24 months, consecutively not concurrently as is normally the case.

So now he has 8 years or 4 with good behaviour

I think he will need a bigger overnight bag.

[Cherie]

oh the irony, remember when Max said there would be a load of high profile people worried about Operation Yewtree. Worried for himself more like.

[Aduk]

This conviction is why Operation Yewtree is necessary despite the criticism it has faced over unearthing historic sexual allegations and being some form of 'witch-hunt'.