Foreign workers

[thesheriff443]

How do you feel about foreign workers?
There are a few members that talk badly about them, and this is wrong in my opinion!, why knock someone for wanting to work!, why knock someone for having the strength to leave their family and friends to make a better life for them self's.
there is no difference in one of us wanting to work in or live in another country so why abuse them.

[Ammi]

..I can't see that there is any difference, so long as employing a 'foreign worker' is based on merits because they're the best person for the job..and not just because they may be thought to be hard workers or cheap to employ etc because that's exploitation and discriminaton imo...

[Marc]

They're beneficial in some ways because some of them want to do the work that we don't. I wish their work ethic could rub off on our youth (I sound so old :()

[Jesus.]

Dirty foreigners need to get the ****** out of my country. I didn't fight in 2 world wars so some dirty eastern European could could over 'ere and steal jobs from white Brits.

[Wildcat!]

As long as its legal, and they pay their taxes, its fine. Obviously, Brits should get the first look, if the qualifications are the same, and thats only fair. I am a foreigner, in the UK, so I quite understand it.

[Glenn.]

The majority of foreign workers I know are the most hardworking people I've ever met.

Its foreigners sponging our benefits that doesn't sit right with me but then the same can be said for the UK nationals.

I agree with Marc, it's a shame the youths don't have the same work ethnic.

[Vicky.]

I used to work with a polish guy, and I can honestly say I have never seen anyone as hardworking as he was. Mind my employers took the piss a lot, he was only getting £2 per hour while we were on £5ish.

[GiRTh]

I don't see a problem with them. If they want to work and the jobs are there then its all good.

[Kizzy]

I used to work with a polish guy, and I can honestly say I have never seen anyone as hardworking as he was. Mind my employers took the piss a lot, he was only getting £2 per hour while we were on £5ish.

This is what I don't understand... how do employers get away with this? if they're not being paid a fair wage then they won't be unable to contribute to society and pay their taxes and NI will they?

[arista]

I used to work with a polish guy, and I can honestly say I have never seen anyone as hardworking as he was. Mind my employers took the piss a lot, he was only getting £2 per hour while we were on £5ish.


Yes Vicky I agree
some Polish Workers are Utter
Hard Workers

[Vicky.]

This is what I don't understand... how do employers get away with this? if they're not being paid a fair wage then they won't be unable to contribute to society and pay their taxes and NI will they?

If someone came in to check the books and stuff, they wouldnt get away with it. But noone ever seems to check. They should check regularly in places like pizza shops, chippies (where I was working), fast food places and such IMO..as thats where the underpaid workers usually are.

[Ammi]

..I've only known one Polish lady, who was indeed a very hard worker, so I do agree with Vicky and Glenn about that..but I also don't think that UK people have experienced the same level of poverty/hardships they have..and they can't really help that..they will only acquire that 'work ethic' if employers take the time and effort to teach them it but it is also taught in the home as well from a very early age..that they have to work for things..

..I also feel that if employers value 'foreign people' as good workers then they should pay them that value and not exploit them as the maximum amount of work for the least cost possible..and also not recruit them because they feel they'll get 'value for money' but give everyone an equal chance of proving themselves...

[Kizzy]

If someone came in to check the books and stuff, they wouldnt get away with it. But noone ever seems to check. They should check regularly in places like pizza shops, chippies (where I was working), fast food places and such IMO..as thats where the underpaid workers usually are.

Ah right, it is straight up exploitation then? hope they throw the book at these employers, if they make an example of one or two then it might stop.
They are so diligent in cases where they are working too for our minimum wage as it is almost three times theirs, I think there was an article on is a while ago. It will seem like a fortune to them to earn what we call a pittance, it is humbling.

[Vicky.]

Ah right, it is straight up exploitation then? hope they throw the book at these employers, if they make an example of one or two then it might stop.
They are so diligent in cases where they are working too for our minimum wage as it is almost three times theirs, I think there was an article on is a while ago. It will seem like a fortune to them to earn what we call a pittance, it is humbling.

Yeah usually, they know they will work for less, so they pay them less. I think this is why you usually see a lot of foreigners working in food places/local small shops/etc. In some cases though, the worker isnt actually allowed to work in this country..so both the employer and the worker are getting a good deal :S

[Ammi]

Yeah usually, they know they will work for less, so they pay them less. I think this is why you usually see a lot of foreigners working in food places/local small shops/etc. In some cases though, the worker isnt actually allowed to work in this country..so both the employer and the worker are getting a good deal :S

..we had a local Chinese restaurant closed down recently for employing cheap labour...

[Marc]

Can we deport some of the lazy unemployed kids in our country and replace them with hard working Polish people? Would this be ethical?

[Jesus.]

..we had a local Chinese restaurant closed down recently for employing cheap labour...

I bet that came as a complete wok to the community?

You can have that one for free.

[Ammi]

I bet that came as a complete wok to the community?

You can have that one for free.

..well, in your mood today I guess I wokked right into that one...but as usual you're talking rubbish and I don't know what you're China say....

[arista]

Ah right, it is straight up exploitation then? hope they throw the book at these employers, if they make an example of one or two then it might stop.
They are so diligent in cases where they are working too for our minimum wage as it is almost three times theirs, I think there was an article on is a while ago. It will seem like a fortune to them to earn what we call a pittance, it is humbling.


Yes goes back years.


But Vicky and her Team
gave us Quality



Life In The City

[Jesus.]

..well, in your mood today I guess I wokked right into that one...but as usual you're talking rubbish and I don't know what you're China say....

You must be absolutely prawn crackers if you believe anyone will take you seriously.

Do you understand what I'm trying Satay?

[Livia]

Allowing people to arrive in this country and work it's allowing our benefits drawers to live on the state while jobs are being done by incomers. All the time we have indiginous unemployed I don't see the sense of importing workers. I suppose there is a reason why British people are not flocking to Poland (or similar) to work, so it's not even like it's a reciprocal arrangement.

[GiRTh]

'Indigenous unemployed'? You make it sound like they were born to be unemployment. Is that an official expression? I've never heard it before

[Livia]

'Indigenous unemployed'? You make it sound like they were born to be unemployment. Is that an official expression? I've never heard it before

By 'indiginous' I'm referring to our own home-grown unemployed. It's not a slur on those who are out of work. I've used it as a collective term to differentiate them from people who arrive and may be unemployed.

My own family were refugees here after WW2. I'm not putting anyone down.

[GiRTh]

I didn't think you were putting anyone down I'd just never heard that expression before.:blush:

[InOne]

I don't really mind them, there are tons here. But they're not all hardworking. At one point in my city we were just getting all the Polish chavs over who basically just drank and trashed the streets. Also there's quite a few of the homeless population who are Eastern European. I've never seen them really intergrate much into our society either in the last 10 years or so, we have Polish areas where they basically just work in their own shops and supermarkets. I think the a lot of the 'good ones' went home when our economy collapsed.

[Kizzy]

I can't see anyone working in poland for their minimum wage when our is not considered a ' living' wage, the days of 'auf weidersein pet' are over.
I wasn't only our economy that collapsed, they work here, save as much as they can return home to spread the wealth.

[Livia]

Auf Wiedersehen Pet was set in Germany, wasn't it?

I think it's strange that people from Poland seem to struggle through on a wage not considered a "living wage" by people who have no job at all and get paid by the state.

[Kizzy]

Auf Wiedersehen Pet was set in Germany, wasn't it?

I think it's strange that people from Poland seem to struggle through on a wage not considered a "living wage" by people who have no job at all and get paid by the state.

Germany is in Europe is it not?...
Are you referring to me personally there livia?

[Livia]

Germany is in Europe is it not?...
Are you referring to me personally there livia?

How many economic migrants do you think come from Germany? The Auf Wiedersehen Pet analogy was way off.

I was not referring to you personally. You overestimate my interest in you. Anything I have said has been 100% referencing the topic. I'm sure if you really thought I was was referencing you personally you'd have been all over the report button by now.

[MTVN]

Now now

[Kizzy]

It is so nice to be back MTVN, hope you are well.
My analogy was apt, it highlights the movement of skilled and semi-skilled workers across europe.

[MTVN]

Glad you are enjoying being back Kizzy, I am very well thank you

[arista]

How many economic migrants do you think come from Germany? The Auf Wiedersehen Pet analogy was way off.

I was not referring to you personally. You overestimate my interest in you. Anything I have said has been 100% referencing the topic. I'm sure if you really thought I was was referencing you personally you'd have been all over the report button by now.


No need for Cat fight

[Cherie]

Immigrants in some people's eyes can't do right for doing wrong if they are working they are taking jobs from British Citizens, if out of work they are sponging off the state even if they are genuinely seeking asylum. It's a no win situation. Obviously there are some that abuse the system, but that is down to sucessive governments not closing that loophole.

[arista]

Immigrants in some people's eyes can't do right for doing wrong if they are working they are taking jobs from British Citizens, if out of work they are sponging off the state even if they are genuinely seeking asylum. It's a no win situation. Obviously there are some that abuse the system, but that is down to sucessive governments not closing that loophole.


You mean Fecking New Labour

[Kizzy]

Immigrants in some people's eyes can't do right for doing wrong if they are working they are taking jobs from British Citizens, if out of work they are sponging off the state even if they are genuinely seeking asylum. It's a no win situation. Obviously there are some that abuse the system, but that is down to sucessive governments not closing that loophole.

Some have an 'island mentality' I think cherie.

[joeysteele]

Immigrants in some people's eyes can't do right for doing wrong if they are working they are taking jobs from British Citizens, if out of work they are sponging off the state even if they are genuinely seeking asylum. It's a no win situation. Obviously there are some that abuse the system, but that is down to sucessive governments not closing that loophole.

Very well said Cherie, it is successive Govts that failed to really address any perceived problems immigration may seem to have caused.

Yes,I would be one of the first to say that Labour as a Govt in their 13 years of power should have done a great deal more on this issue,just as the Conservatives before them should have too with their massive 18 years of power.

It won't happen but I am so sick of all parties making immigration a political football while dealing with people lives and rights like this issue does,that for me it should be something that has consensus from the whole spectrum of politics not a narrow section of it.

This Govt really hasn't got to grips with the issue as yet,in fact all this Govt can do is set out to demonise the groups of people they find a nuisance and a perceived burden.
Often,in my opinion, very wrongly and vastly overstating the problems caused by them too.

[Ninastar]

All for foreign workers I know are very very hard workers. when people say 'foreign people are taking all the good jobs!!!!11' i want to punch them because no, they aren't. They take the jobs that no one wants and are willing to work for any amount of money.

theres a polish woman I know who does what i do (40 hours in 5 days) goes to college to learn english, has italian lessons (her boyfriend is italian and she wants to teach her children it) and has a bar job too.