Male or female

[thesheriff443]

Will we have a male or female winner this series?
Will we have a mixed sex final two, or two girls or two boys?

[Stankleberry]

I think it will be a male winner again this year. Two boys again. Hopefully they will be much more interesting ones.

[Marcus.]

male winner
hopefully and mixed final two

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I don't know.

I cant see into the future.

[lostalex]

white or black?
gay or str8?
religious or atheist?
tall or short?
fat or skinny?
old or young?
rich or poor?

[Raph]

I mean the odds favor male winners, but at the same time the last female winner of the civilian series' was Josie back in 2010 so a female winner is completely probable too. But really it depends on the housemates. If we get a female who's not too sexually open and likes disney/avoiding confrontation that sort of stuff, a female winner is totally possible!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I mean the odds favor male winners, but at the same time the last female winner of the civilian series' was Josie back in 2010 so a female winner is completely probable too. But really it depends on the housemates. If we get a female who's not too sexually open and likes disney/avoiding confrontation that sort of stuff, a female winner is totally possible!

Actually the last female winner was Luke A.

Yes we reffered to him as a man but the fact is he still has a vagina and is able to get pregnant (weird to think).

If he had had the op then yeah but a deep voice and a mastectomy does not make you a bloke.

[lostalex]

Umm, how could he get pregnant? he's married to a woman...

[Raph]

Actually the last female winner was Luke A.

Yes we reffered to him as a man but the fact is he still has a vagina and is able to get pregnant (weird to think).

If he had had the op then yeah but a deep voice and a mastectomy does not make you a bloke.

But to be fair, Luke identified as male, so I consider him as a male housemate. Also, at the launch of last season Luke was part of the 8 guys, and there were 8 other girls so he was cast as male, too. Thus making him a male winner.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

But to be fair, Luke identified as male, so I consider him as a male housemate. Also, at the launch of last season Luke was part of the 8 guys, and there were 8 other girls so he was cast as male, too. Thus making him a male winner.

Ok then I could slap some high heels on and a wig and I would be a female winner?

Luke has a vagina so is therefor a female.

Its different with the likes of Nadia who had no cock and balls so fair enough yes she is a female winner but Luke A is not a man.

[lostalex]

Ok then I could slap some high heels on and a wig and I would be a female winner?

Luke has a vagina so is therefor a female.

Its different with the likes of Nadia who had no cock and balls so fair enough yes she is a female winner but Luke A is not a man.

So what if they had on an Iraq war veteran. A british soldier that identified as a man, but had his cock and balls blown off by a terrorist bomb. WOuld you call him a woman too?

[Raph]

Ok then I could slap some high heels on and a wig and I would be a female winner?

Luke has a vagina so is therefor a female.

Its different with the likes of Nadia who had no cock and balls so fair enough yes she is a female winner but Luke A is not a man.

Well I respect your opinion, and i'm not saying it's wrong, let's just agree to disagree :)

[Stankleberry]

Ok then I could slap some high heels on and a wig and I would be a female winner?

Luke has a vagina so is therefor a female.

Its different with the likes of Nadia who had no cock and balls so fair enough yes she is a female winner but Luke A is not a man.


He probably straps one on, that counts. I bet he has a huge one.

[Stankleberry]

And a small one as well.

[Raph]

^ ewww :(

[daniel-lewis-1985]

So what if they had on an Iraq war veteran. A british soldier that identified as a man, but had his cock and balls blown off by a terrorist bomb. WOuld you call him a woman too?

No because he wouldn't have ovaries and a vagina.

Some people are just dumb....Seriously.

[lostalex]

No because he wouldn't have ovaries and a vagina.

Some people are just dumb....Seriously.

but you just said because Nadia doesn't have a cock and balls, you consider her a woman... but she doesn't have ovaries and uterus eigther. So why do you consider her a woman, but you wouldn't consider that soldier a woman?

It has nothing to do with what's between their legs, it's how they identify, that's the difference.

I agree, SOME people are just dumb... so stop being dumb.

[armand.kay]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0zqj1xYop1qjxqtl.gif
Its a female.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

but you just said because Nadia doesn't have a cock and balls, you consider her a woman... but she doesn't have ovaries and uterus eigther. So why do you consider her a woman, but you wouldn't consider that soldier a woman?

It has nothing to do with what's between their legs, it's how they identify, that's the difference.

I agree, SOME people are just dumb... so stop being dumb.

Nadia has a vagina a soldier wouldn't have either :rolleyes:

Its a hole inbetween her legs which allows intercourse.

A war veteran with a smooth area is not the same.

Your logic is just beyond dumb.

[Gstar]

Seems so strange that Luke A can still get pregnant, because I've set my mind into thinking that he's all male

[armand.kay]

Its strange to think he has a vagina o_o

[ThisIsNickkk]

Half of this thread is beyond ludicrous and not to mention ignorant.

I don't think anyone should give a rat's patootie what's between their sodding legs, he went in with the male crop, he was a male winner.

Goodnight Vienna.

[*mazedsalv**]

For the first time ever on the last Italian BB the final 2 were both female. I reckon we will have a all female final 2... no I don't. It's near impossible.

[Gstar]

We nearly had it in BB9, Mikey ******ed it up

[Samm]

I hope we have a female winner this year

[lostalex]

Nadia has a vagina a soldier wouldn't have either :rolleyes:

Its a hole inbetween her legs which allows intercourse.

A war veteran with a smooth area is not the same.

Your logic is just beyond dumb.

You really don't understand the principle i'm citing though, which is that it's how someone IDENTIFIES which is important.

I'm not dumb.

[Lostie!]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0zqj1xYop1qjxqtl.gif
Its a female.

I kinda love this. :laugh2:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

You really don't understand the principle i'm citing though, which is that it's how someone IDENTIFIES which is important.

I'm not dumb.

I have answered that in previous comments.

If you have not noticed I havent referred to him as a she I see him as male but he actually isn't.

Im just stating its a fact Luke A can have babies and a vagina lol.

Hes a pre op transsexual.

[Jordan.]

Male again unless there's a fat ugly none threatening woman in there.

[lostalex]

I have answered that in previous comments.

If you have not noticed I havent referred to him as a she I see him as male but he actually isn't.

Im just stating its a fact Luke A can have babies and a vagina lol.

Hes a pre op transsexual.

Being able to have babies means nothing. there are plenty of women who are not able to have babies, they arn't any less female though. I'm adopted, and my mom was not able to have biological children, being able to get pregnant has NOTHING to do with being a woman or not.

he's not a woman. period. (no pun intended)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Being able to have babies means nothing. there are plenty of women who are not able to have babies, they arn't any less female though. I'm adopted, and my mom was not able to have biological children, being able to get pregnant has NOTHING to do with being a woman or not.

he's not a woman. period. (no pun intended)

I know it doesn't make you any less of a woman lol but being able TO have children and give birth through your vagina makes you a female!

LOL at period.

[rachelricci]

daniel-lewis-1985 some of the stuff you are saying is quite offensive in one respect, Luke A is a man, and no less of a man then you. what I'm saying is, gender is more then just whats in a persons pants

[daniel-lewis-1985]

daniel-lewis-1985 some of the stuff you are saying is quite offensive in one respect, Luke A is a man, and no less of a man then you. what I'm saying is, gender is more then just whats in a persons pants

I see Luke A as a man but at the moment he is a pre op transsexual.

Honestly did people not take biology at school?

If he was post op then fair do's there would be no Vag or ovaries etc.

Yes I know this may sound offensive but its just fact so deal with it.

[rachelricci]

I see Luke A as a man but at the moment he is a pre op transsexual.

Honestly did people not take biology at school?

If he was post op then fair do's there would be no Vag or ovaries etc.

Yes I know this may sound offensive but its just fact so deal with it.

I was good at biology at school...
But there is no need for it, there is no need to be offensive and disrespectful to a persons choices, and then just use "its a fact" as a excuse.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I was good at biology at school...
But there is no need for it, there is no need to be offensive and disrespectful to a persons choices, and then just use "its a fact" as a excuse.

I'm sorry you're offended by vaginas and babies.

I apologise.

[rachelricci]

I'm sorry you're offended by vaginas and babies.

I apologise.

Its the disrespect for a persons choice I am offended by.

[lostalex]

I agree with you Rachel and your sentiment, but it's not a choice. So using the word "choice" is not really appropriate. No one chooses to be transgender. Having the surgery or going through transition is a choice, so maybe that's what you meant.

But I agree with you that Daniel is saying offensive things. I don't know if he is intentionally being offensive just to be contrarian, or if he actually believes what he is saying.

[rachelricci]

I agree with you Rachel and your sentiment, but it's not a choice. So using the word "choice" is not really appropriate.

But I agree with you that Daniel is saying offensive things. I don't know if he is intentionally being offensive just to be contrarian, or if he actually believes what he is saying.

I know its not a choice in that sense, its the decision to go through with it is what I ment, it might be because I'm transgender myself that I feel more offended by it though.
ANYWAY
back to the point of this, I think a woman could win this years BB IF we get a good mix and not a house full of "I wanna be a model, woo glam" type people.

[lostalex]

are you MTF or FTM?

[rachelricci]

are you MTF or FTM?

MTF

[thesheriff443]

MTF

well can i just say welcome:xyxwave: its aways good to have someone that can speak from experience or looking at it from another point of view

[ruiphillips]

I want a female to win it this time.

[Marc]

I think we'll have our first animal winner