Gina wasnt warned for being 'ageist'

[Jords]

I tweeted this and was waiting for somebody to pick this up on TiBB because Ive made quite a few threads tonight but nobody has so I shall :tongue:

Gina several times remarked on Jemima's age and how she should 'behave' tonight, and BB allowed this to slide by without warning (or at least showing a warning) of this to Gina. Or if they dont want to use the term 'ageist' at least give her a verbal spanking for being offensive if they must warn Jemima over ridiculous things.

Dont you think? BB acted very unfairly.

[Jake.]

Gina should have given her a warning for her behaviour in general. Why should somebody be allowed to victimise somebody, accusing them of racism and what not and get away with it with zero repercussions. BB should have either given both a talking to or neither. But good thread Jords.

[Jords]

Thank you Jakey :pipe:

[Jake.]

No worries Jords! And you'd think that given Gina's age, she'd grow up a bit and stop acting like a child. Will be interesting to hear about how she lasts in the real world once her mothers credit card dries up.

[armand.kay]

Gina should have given her a warning for her behaviour in general. Why should somebody be allowed to victimise somebody, accusing them of racism and what not and get away with it with zero repercussions. BB should have either given both a talking to or neither. But good thread Jords.
If GINA a BLACK woman felt offended then she has the right to say so. Neither of them should of got warned it was just stupid and didn't need bb to get involved.

[Jords]

Gina is black?

[Jake.]

The right to say so? Yes I agree. The right to go around the garden labelling her as a racist? No, she didn't.

[armand.kay]

This thread is petty and several seats are required.

[Withano]

Wouldn't being ageist sound more along the lines of "I hate you because you're old, you're incapable of doing things because you are old" She was only saying that an elder lady should act more mature because of her age etc.

[iRyan]

I'm sorry Jords but this thread is just plain silly. Are you actually being serious?

[Jake.]

Not seeing how it's petty, Jords has a valid point

[iRyan]

Gina is black?

Er yes...

[armand.kay]

The right to say so? Yes I agree. The right to go around the garden labelling her as a racist? No, she didn't.
So? Was jemima not doing the same yesterday?

[Jake.]

So? Was jemima not doing the same yesterday?

Was Jemima walking around labelling Gina as a racist?

[Jords]

Wouldn't being ageist sound more along the lines of "I hate you because you're old, you're incapable of doing things because you are old" She was only saying that an elder lady should act more mature because of her age etc.

Exactly my point lol surely if Jemima was being racist she would say "I wouldnt date a black man because I hate black people"

[Jake.]

Honestly if I was accused of being a racist by somebody over something like that I'd lose it lol

[Withano]

Exactly my point lol surely if Jemima was being racist she would say "I wouldnt date a black man because I hate black people"

Oh. Good point. I'll just sit in a corner and reread stuff.

[Jake.]

Exactly my point lol surely if Jemima was being racist she would say "I wouldnt date a black man because I hate black people"

:worship:

[Withano]

But Jemima basically said you're black therefore you probably wouldn't date a white guy

Can you imagine the complaints if Big Brother ignored this. People just like to complain.

[Jake.]

She didn't really lol, she was talking about taste and what her preference generally is.. her comment to Gina was a bit ignorant and unneeded but it's all about context

[Jords]

But Jemima basically said you're black therefore you probably wouldn't date a white guy

Can you imagine the complaints if Big Brother ignored this. People just like to complain.

I agree with Vicky on this one in the poll thread about whether Jemima should have been warned or not. Jemima was backed into a corner and was trying to argue that she isnt racist (which must be really nasty to be accused of) and it just didnt come out well.

I get why they warned her, but I dont agree with it. I would have been more satisfied however if Gina was also warned, she was accusing Jem of something that could really blow out horribly on exiting the house.

[Jake.]

I agree with Vicky on this one in the poll thread about whether Jemima should have been warned or not. Jemima was backed into a corner and was trying to argue that she isnt racist (which must be really nasty to be accused of) and it just didnt come out well.

I get why they warned her, but I dont agree with it. I would have been more satisfied however if Gina was also warned, she was accusing Jem of something that could really blow out horribly on exiting the house.

This 100%. It's such a damaging accusation.

[Withano]

her comment to Gina was a bit ignorant and unneeded but it's all about context

If they ignored it how long do you think it would take for the hags and journalists to take it out of context and put Big Brother in the newspaper claiming another race row.

They're just saving their back against the temperamental, pessimistic fans who complain at every opportunity.

[Tulin]

Gina should have given her a warning for her behaviour in general. Why should somebody be allowed to victimise somebody, accusing them of racism and what not and get away with it with zero repercussions. BB should have either given both a talking to or neither. But good thread Jords.

See my thoughts in the other thread.

Basically, if the accusation can ruin somebody's life, the FALSE accusation or wielding of such power in a frivilous or ruinous manner should have similar repercussions.

As it stands right now, idiots can go around just branding innocent people "RACIST!!!!!1!!!" and destroy people's lives.

They are abhorrent.

[Jake.]

If they ignored it how long do you think it would take for the hags and journalists to take it out of context and put Big Brother in the newspaper claiming another race row.

They're just saving their back against the temperamental, pessimistic fans who complain at every opportunity.

Oh no I agree with you and get why they had to give her a warning, I'm just saying that given the context they shouldn't have had to :) but yeah, there would be a right fuss

[armand.kay]

She said she wouldn't date a black person.. So no matter what their personality is she wouldn't go there because they are black?
Me I wasn't offended but I didn't feel alright about the comment. It just felt like she was saying black people are not good enough for her, although I don't think I was as offended as gina it did still hit a nerve when she said it.
If somebody's skin colour effects how you treat them what are you? (And to make it worse she assumed gina wouldn't go out with a white guy...)

Jemima was going around talking about how gina is selfish, and stuck up and spoilt when she had not even had a conversation with her.

[Withano]

She said she wouldn't date a black person.. So no matter what their personality is she wouldn't go there because they are black?
Me I wasn't offended but I didn't feel alright about the comment. It just felt like she was saying black people are not good enough for her, although I don't think I was as offended as gina it did still hit a nerve when she said it.
If somebody's skin colour effects how you treat them what are you? (And to make it worse she assumed gina wouldn't go out with a white guy...)

Jemima was going around talking about how gina is selfish, and stuck up and spoilt when she had not even had a conversation with her.

I don't like agreeing with Gina fans because their taste in humans is abysmal, but I agree with this

[Jake.]

Really don't think she was saying that black people are not good enough for her, she was just talking about her preference in men. If she had said 'I don't usually go for white men', would there have been a fuss? Of course not. She doesn't treat people of a different skin colour any differently and no evidence has been shown of this, so for Gina to be going around shouting such nasty claims just wasn't fair.

[Jords]

She said she wouldn't date a black person.. So no matter what their personality is she wouldn't go there because they are black?
Me I wasn't offended but I didn't feel alright about the comment. It just felt like she was saying black people are not good enough for her, although I don't think I was as offended as gina it did still hit a nerve when she said it.
If somebody's skin colour effects how you treat them what are you? (And to make it worse she assumed gina wouldn't go out with a white guy...)

Jemima was going around talking about how gina is selfish, and stuck up and spoilt when she had not even had a conversation with her.

You cant help romantic/sexual attraction. Were not talking about friendships here! She never said she would treat them differently.

Edit: Im sorry you felt offended btw but there really is no need :)

[Withano]

You can help making assumptions that black girls wouldn't date white guys because they are white

This is the bottom line and Big Brother felt this among other things deserved a warning.

[Jake.]

You can help making assumptions that black girls wouldn't date white guys because they are white

This is the bottom line and Big Brother felt this among other things deserved a warning.

I honestly think that this was her attempt of trying to get out of the corner she was backed into. She didn't claim 'You wouldn't find any white people attractive'

[PInternet]

It was plain racist. She said she wouldn't date a black guy but she might go for mixed race. Regardless of attractiveness, personality, intelligence, etc. she lumped all Black and later Chinese guys into the same category of people she wouldn't date. She meant that she wouldn't date them because of their race and nothing else.

[Maneki-neko]

Because millions of people were not enslaved at one time for being old.

[Jords]

Because millions of people were not enslaved at one time for being old.

oh jesus

[armand.kay]

You cant help romantic/sexual attraction. Were not talking about friendships here! She never said she would treat them differently.

Edit: Im sorry you felt offended btw but there really is no ne
ed :)

I gues I will never understand this I don't really have a type expecially race wise. What she said does imply that if sam was black would here relationship with him be the same?

Dw I wasn't really that offended it just hit a nerve and I would of probably forgotten about it had it not caused all that mess....
I was so shocked when I saw how much darker her face was without make up that with the blond weave and the blue contacts gives me the idea Gina isn't very confident about her colour which it why she was so defencive.

[Jords]

I gues I will never understand this I don't really have a type expecially race wise. She it imply it in a way like if sam was black would here relationship with him be the same?

Dw I wasn't really that offended it just hit a nerve and I would of probably forgotten about it had it not caused all that mess....
I was so shocked when I saw how much darker her face was without make up that with the blond weave and the blue contacts gives me the idea Gina isn't very confident about her colour which it why she was so defencive.

She did say Daley was good-looking but was attached but idk :shrug:

I have a black mate who was my flatmate this year and he has never slept with a white girl and doesnt think hed be able to date one (for whatever reason), I never took offense though because he likes white people just wouldnt date a white girl. It really is just personal taste :laugh:

But maybe you have a point there, I never noticed and if that is the case I would then feel sorry for Gina and understand it.

[letmein]

Let's face it, she was talking about the people she would ****, not people she would or wouldn't be friends with.

[PInternet]

She could have easily said "I like dark men like Mediterranean men" and left it at that.
She CLARIFIED that she wouldn't date a black guy for seemingly no reason other than to make sure everybody watching knew that she was 'better than that'.

[Ammi]

I tweeted this and was waiting for somebody to pick this up on TiBB because Ive made quite a few threads tonight but nobody has so I shall :tongue:

Gina several times remarked on Jemima's age and how she should 'behave' tonight, and BB allowed this to slide by without warning (or at least showing a warning) of this to Gina. Or if they dont want to use the term 'ageist' at least give her a verbal spanking for being offensive if they must warn Jemima over ridiculous things.

Dont you think? BB acted very unfairly.

..ageism isn't a criminal offence though Jords...I do think there was some manipulation of the situation by Gina but Jemima still said it and imo what she said was a racist remark because people should see people and not colour, so it was wrong to assume Gina wouldn't be attracted to 'white guys'..why wouldn't she...?...the whole thing is quite controversial because of the circumstances and how Gina pushed her but I don't think that BB had any choice but to give her that warning....

[MatthewS]

I thought Gina was Asian until tonights ep.....no lie.

[joeysteele]

Exactly my point lol surely if Jemima was being racist she would say "I wouldnt date a black man because I hate black people"

I agree totally Jords and I also agree 100% with your opening post too.

[fruit_cake]

If GINA a BLACK woman felt offended then she has the right to say so. Neither of them should of got warned it was just stupid and didn't need bb to get involved.

I agree with this to a certain extent, in the same way Jem has the right not to like black men, Gina has the right to be offended by whatever the hell she likes...it's when BB steps in and starts taking sides where it went primarily wrong.

On the other hand Gina needs to be more carefully throwing serious accusations around willy-nilly. I thought She was wrong to tell the rest of the HM's that Jem had been racist before discussing it properly with Jem and even BB.

[joeysteele]

This thread is about Gina being ageist and it's true it is not a crime to to be ageist,sadly.
Being racist also has to be proved though, Jemima made a comment not dismissing black people as friends,housemates,work colleagues or anywhere social in general just that her preference was not be in a romantic relationship with them.
It is,to me wrong to deem that preference as any kind of racist act.

I said ageism isn't a criminal act in agreement with Ammi's original statement as to that.
However, it should be, at the very least,inappropriate to be ageist against a fellow housemate.
You could get into a lot of bother if you highlighted age against someone in a workplace so I see this as double standards by BB.

[Shaun]

She could have easily said "I like dark men like Mediterranean men" and left it at that.
She CLARIFIED that she wouldn't date a black guy for seemingly no reason other than to make sure everybody watching knew that she was 'better than that'.

Could you possibly be a little more wildly speculative?

[Livia]

I wouldn't date another woman... so therefore, clearly, I'm homophobic.

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't date another woman... so therefore, clearly, I'm homophobic.

Excellent point Livia.

[Jamesy]

She said she wouldn't date a black person.. So no matter what their personality is she wouldn't go there because they are black?

After that though she said she meant that they just don't attract her. It's never the type of guy she's ever gone for. Just like we all have preferences on relationships. Particular things turn us on/off.

You've taken that a bit out of context.

[Shaun]

she should have worded it better. it's incredibly commonplace for people to have a "type" that isn't lifted from a Benneton ad.

[Marsh.]

Exactly my point lol surely if Jemima was being racist she would say "I wouldnt date a black man because I hate black people"

Except you can be racist without hating black people.

Jade Goody, I'm sure didn't have an active dislike or hatred for black people or Indians but her behaviour and language was racially offensive.

Racism can be born out of ignorance and just having an empty head.

Jemima is not a racist person as far as I can tell, but her brainless blabbering is offensive because she doesn't think logically about the crap spilling out of her mouth.

Not so much about what she finds sexually attractive but making assumptions about other people's preferences based on the colour of their skin.

[Kizzy]

You can't suggest this issue can be equated with sexuality :joker:
But yeah what marsh said, she was just flapping her gums. she actually said blond blue eyed guys initially I thought to gina?
Jemima was so flustered she didn't express herself very clearly, the rest of the house having first being influenced negatively by gina were scared to comment.

[joeysteele]

I think since they have an ex Detective in there as to Dan, they should have asked him, would he have cautioned or arrested Jemima for that comment as being a racist one.
I would safely bet he would say something like not likely.

[Marsh.]

she actually said blond blue eyed guys initially I thought to gina?

Oh jesus, :laugh: Case closed, she's an oaf (whilst maybe a Mein Kampf reader). :joker:

[Black Dagger]

It's hardly Gina's fault some hag can't word her sentences properly, and the 'I bet you'd never date a white person' lol. Piss off love.

[Livia]

It's hardly Gina's fault some hag can't word her sentences properly, and the 'I bet you'd never date a white person' lol. Piss off love.

Awww BD, she didn't put it like that. Someone said Jemima was backed into a corner (Vicky, I think...) and that's how I saw it. Gina called her a racist long before that comment was made. It wasn't the most intelligent thing to say, but she threw it out there as a defence mechanism, I think and I don't believe that makes her racist.

Gina was spoiling for a fight. She decided she was going to bring up the whole thing and make it a racist issue long before Jemima made the "dating white men" comment.

[joeysteele]

Awww BD, she didn't put it like that. Someone said Jemima was backed into a corner (Vicky, I think...) and that's how I saw it. Gina called her a racist long before that comment was made. It wasn't the most intelligent thing to say, but she threw it out there as a defence mechanism, I think and I don't believe that makes her racist.

Gina was spoiling for a fight. She decided she was going to bring up the whole thing and make it a racist issue long before Jemima made the "dating white men" comment.

Absolutely spot on.

[armand.kay]

I wouldn't date another woman... so therefore, clearly, I'm homophobic.
no.

Its completely different from that, not going out with a Monday is in no way offensive to the homosexual community but saying that you would never give a black guy a chance is quit offensive, I didn't really feel aright when she made that comment.

[Roy Mars III]

it was obviously not racist, Big Brother was being it's out of control PC self

[MatthewS]

but saying that you would never give a black guy a chance

I'm not really a 'fan' of either, but come on now. Jemima didn't say she would "never give a black guy a chance". Let's not put words in peoples mouths. In fact, she did say she fancied the look of Daley, but he was taken and not on the market.

[Roy Mars III]

the only people who think it's racist are Gina fans who realize she will be gone soon

[fruit_cake]

no.

Its completely different from that, not going out with a Monday is in no way offensive to the homosexual community but saying that you would never give a black guy a chance is quit offensive, I didn't really feel aright when she made that comment.

but she's not saying that she wouldn't befriend a black man, just that she wouldn't want a romantic involvement. She possibly doesn't want a romantic involvement with lots of others either, the twins for example, but they aren't being offended by it so I don't see why Gina should?

[armand.kay]

But I just don't see what is wrong with black people that a relationship with them is completely out of the question...

[Livia]

no.

Its completely different from that, not going out with a Monday is in no way offensive to the homosexual community but saying that you would never give a black guy a chance is quit offensive, I didn't really feel aright when she made that comment.

Who are you to say what people should or shouldn't find attractive? I don't generally find blonde men, very dark skinned men and oriental men attractive. So what? That doesn't make me racist and it doesn't mean I wouldn't quite happily have any of those people as friends.

People are so bloody sensitive. Awww she hurt my feelings! Suck it up and get over it.

[fruit_cake]

But I just don't see what is wrong with black people that a relationship with them is completely out of the question...

perhaps she's a bit closed minded, but racist is a touch too far, at least for me.

[Yayita]

Gina is black?

LOL, with all that pancake makeup on her face, I didnt know she was black either hahahahahahaa

[letmein]

It was plain racist. She said she wouldn't date a black guy but she might go for mixed race. Regardless of attractiveness, personality, intelligence, etc. she lumped all Black and later Chinese guys into the same category of people she wouldn't date. She meant that she wouldn't date them because of their race and nothing else.

That's not what she said. She was speaking in regards to what features turn her on sexually. She was not saying she found black people ugly. She was talking about a type of man, his look that turns her on.

[letmein]

I wouldn't date another woman... so therefore, clearly, I'm homophobic.

Sexuality is inborn, so let's not go there.

[Livia]

Sexuality is inborn, so let's not go there.

I was drawing a comparison about sexual preference, I think you probably know that. So let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

[Nedusa]

Not preferring Black Men (or Women) is not racist it comes down to personal sexual preference. The racism card does not apply in this situation.

[letmein]

I was drawing a comparison about sexual preference, I think you probably know that. So let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

There is no comparison, so drop it.

[letmein]

Not preferring Black Men (or Women) is not racist it comes down to personal sexual preference. The racism card does not apply in this situation.

I'm actually surprised they even aired it.