I don't get how Jemima is the 'racist' - when...

[Patrick]

The housemates, audience, and the Bit On The Side guests - can all get away with calling Dexter 'Mr Chow' - yet Big Brother felt it was necessary to give Jemima a warning over not wanting to sleep with a black man?

Makes sense. x

[Scream]

Well calling someone Mr Chow isn't racist. If someone referred me to someone of the same ethnicity I wouldn't think anything of it. There's a resemblance though...

Also, I don't think Jemima should have got a warning but she also said Gina probably wouldn't go out with a white person. Gina has never said anything to imply that so she's saying as Gina is black she wouldn't date a white person. It could be deemed racist. :)

[Tanser_Man]

Well calling someone Mr Chow isn't racist. If someone referred me to someone of the same ethnicity I wouldn't think anything of it. There's a resemblance though...

But it could be 'deemed' racist, as was Jemima's comments.

It's all about context and interpretation, both of which can be bent and manipulated at any given time.

[MatthewS]

This isn't the first time someone on BOTS has made comments like that, and it certainly won't be the last obviously. Jamie has definitely made comments way worse then a Mr. Chow comparison. I personally see nothing wrong with it, they don't generally cross the line of what's acceptable, it's not like you'd ever hear them say anything flat out racist or something.

The interesting thing is that it appears BB holds the housemates to a higher standard then they do their own after show hosts though...

go figure.

[Raph]

I agree, Patrick. To me, the 'Mr. Chow' thing is far more racist than Jemima's sexual attraction/interest.

[Headie]

For the last damn time - Jemima wasn't warned for not liking black guys, she was warned for presuming Gina wouldn't date white guys because of her race. I don't think Big Brother gave a damn about who Jemima fancied and didn't fancy, but it's because of the comment she made to Gina about expecting her not to go for white guys (which was an ignorant comment tbh and as a black guy I can see how it can be deemed as racist) which meant that BB HAD to warn her, or else prepare for some complaints from ofcom.

[Patrick]

Well calling someone Mr Chow isn't racist. If someone referred me to someone of the same ethnicity I wouldn't think anything of it. There's a resemblance though...

Also, I don't think Jemima should have got a warning but she also said Gina probably wouldn't go out with a white person. Gina has never said anything to imply that so she's saying as Gina is black she wouldn't date a white person. It could be deemed racist. :)

Oh I don't think it's racist either (probably didn't make that clear in the OP) - what I mean is, if we're going to label anything as Politically Incorrect/Racist etc - surely it would be referring to an Asian housemate as 'Mr Chow.'

I don't find it offensive - but people could argue that it's prejudice and we're saying Dexter looks the same as all Asians. (A common stereotype that's threw about is that all Asians are identical).

I just think it's hilarious how they can give Jemima a warning for not going for Black guys, when they can publicly brand Dexter as 'Mr Chow' - because if anything is going to 'offend some viewers at home' it would certainly be that.

[Withano]

Well they're not gonna nickname him Beyonce

[lostalex]

Why are you watching BOTS to begin with?

[smeagol]

how is calling him mr chow racist lol wtf.
this is why the world has gone mad as no one really understands the word racist

could call him mr bean but he acts more like mr chow lol

[Kizzy]

Who is Mr Chow?

[Tanser_Man]

For the last damn time - Jemima wasn't warned for not liking black guys, she was warned for presuming Gina wouldn't date white guys because of her race.

Either way it's a pathetic warning which, if they were being consistent, could and maybe should have opened a plethora of warnings!

I've seen worse acts, not necessarily about race, which I deem more offensive... someone being called the C word for instance. I think after what happened with Jade all them years ago, they wanted to move fast just in case but instead moved abit too fast.

No harm though, we all saw it for what it was. A bit of ignorance from both sides.

[Urban Cragou]

how is calling him mr chow racist lol wtf.
this is why the world has gone mad as no one really understands the word racist

could call him mr bean but he acts more like mr chow lol

No one said that, though.

[Patrick]

how is calling him mr chow racist lol wtf.
this is why the world has gone mad as no one really understands the word racist

could call him mr bean but he acts more like mr chow lol

I didn't say it was - I'm guilty of shouting 'THERE'S MR CHOW' on Launch Night the second I seen his VT.

BUT, I'm saying more people (certainly of an asian background) would find them branding Dexter as 'Mr Chow' just because he's Chinese - offensive, than the amount of people who would care about what Jemima said.

Jemima made a comment based on her personal preference, and no one seen it as anything big - I have black friends who didn't even care about it.

Big Brother however, made it into a big deal because they were afraid of it 'upsetting' the wankers over at Ofcom - when tbh, throwing nicknames like Mr Chow around at Dexter - is far more upsetting to some viewers.

Who is Mr Chow?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxtxlainQu1r9ddhno1_250.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp7f9p7jMv1qarc1ko1_500.gif

[Tanser_Man]

how is calling him mr chow racist lol wtf.
this is why the world has gone mad as no one really understands the word racist

could call him mr bean but he acts more like mr chow lol

The world has gone mad but as I said before, it's about context and interpretation. What might be OK for you, might not be for another.

[armand.kay]

Big brother is a mess that warning was not needed :/

[chuff me dizzy]

The show and this forum is being wrecked by plastic do-gooders who deem EVERYTHING effin racist ,all the problems in the world and this is your only concern ? i pity you i truly do ,todays front page on Star still bringing up Jade Goody,fgs she dead and buried ,let her RIP ,It was the same plastic do-gooders that wrecked that young lasses life

[smeagol]

if someone actsor looks like someone famous you call them by it. i,e mr chow mr bean whatever. in no way could it ever be classed as racist. if there was a black guy in there who acted like prince of bell air and people called him the fresh prince would it be racist lol of course not.

[MatthewS]

What if their was a white guy who acted like the fresh prince of bell air? Could you get away with calling him that in the house? Or automatic warning? :joker:

[Tanser_Man]

What if the person being called it didn't know of Mr Chow from the movies? Context changes.

I agree though, the word racist is used very loosely in such circumstances.

[Urban Cragou]

The show and this forum is being wrecked by plastic do-gooders who deem EVERYTHING effin racist ,all the problems in the world and this is your only concern ? i pity you i truly do ,todays front page on Star still bringing up Jade Goody,fgs she dead and buried ,let her RIP ,It was the same plastic do-gooders that wrecked that young lasses life

Oh, shut up. :rolleyes:

[chuff me dizzy]

Oh, shut up. :rolleyes:

Excuse me ?

[sampvt]

What the hells the matter with you lot. You jump up and down as soon as a small misinterpretation remark is made and everyone turns into a do goody freak and at the same time your own moral codes salivate at the mere thought of one human being beating the sh 1 t out of another verbally or even physically. Are we not dealing in double standards here.

[cassieparis]

:rolleyes: :idc:

[wendywillow]

the whole thing started with gina being in a mood and looking for a fight, if it was a casual friendly talk between her and gemima, two gals talking about boys, none of this would of happened, geez what happens if someone really IS racist? cops swarm the house? (jemimas name is sadly ironic though)

[Samm]

After CBB5 big brother got more stricter on racism

[cassieparis]

the whole thing started with gina ........(jemimas name is sadly ironic though)

There are no coincidences. :joker: everything that happens is for a reason

[Jarvio]

Well calling someone Mr Chow isn't racist.

Dude, it really is...

[chuff me dizzy]

What the hells the matter with you lot. You jump up and down as soon as a small misinterpretation remark is made and everyone turns into a do goody freak and at the same time your own moral codes salivate at the mere thought of one human being beating the sh 1 t out of another verbally or even physically. Are we not dealing in double standards here.

the list of racist words grows by the day

[Jarvio]

Dude, it really is...

Edit: I've just looked up 'Mr Chow' and found out he's a character on hangover. So if they were saying he was like him character-wise, then I agree it is not racist.

I originally thought they were just calling him that because he's chinese/half-chinese... if that is/was the case, then it would be racist.

[smeagol]

i blame the french for all this lol ;)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

The British public or as I like to call then "PC Fearing public" aren't very clever.

They somehow seem to think its only racist if its towards Indians or Blacks and most of the time will complain just incase someones sensitive little feelings may have been hurt.

*Ooh that may have hurt someone elses feelings best get onto Ofcom post haste.

Aww bless them.

[tricky]

As has been suggested, the 'you probably wouldn't date a white guy' comment has worse undertones than the 'I wouldn't date a black man' one. It's like saying that because I wouldn't date another man I must be homophobic, well I wouldn't and I'm not.

[Indy]

As has been suggested, the 'you probably wouldn't date a white guy' comment has worse undertones than the 'I wouldn't date a black man' one. It's like saying that because I wouldn't date another man I must be homophobic, well I wouldn't and I'm not.

Facts tend to get in the way of a good rant, you'd probably do better not to mention them at all when people get all fired up like this.

[Jords]

As has been suggested, the 'you probably wouldn't date a white guy' comment has worse undertones than the 'I wouldn't date a black man' one. It's like saying that because I wouldn't date another man I must be homophobic, well I wouldn't and I'm not.

Welcome to the forum tricky :wavey:

Some of us agreed that Jemima was backed into a corner by Gina where she had to defend herself for not being 'racist' after the bizzare accusation. This didnt really come out well for her.

Up to you what your take is on it though.

[letmein]

As has been suggested, the 'you probably wouldn't date a white guy' comment has worse undertones than the 'I wouldn't date a black man' one. It's like saying that because I wouldn't date another man I must be homophobic, well I wouldn't and I'm not.

Uh, no. Homosexuality isn't a choice. Choosing to date someone based on race is. That isn't even the problem though. She's automatically assuming because Gina isn't white, she wouldn't date a white person. She's assuming something based on her race. Don't use someone's race to sum them up. That's a fundamental rule, and something even an idiot would know. Jemima walked right into that one. I didn't find what she originally said to be racist. She was obviously trying to give a clearer picture of the type of man she's after. What she said in the aftermath about what Gina's type would be based on her race, that was racist, and really disturbing.

BTW, can we knock off the linkage to said incident with homosexuality? It's really getting ridiculous. There is no likeness between the two.

And the Mister Chow thing -- not cool at all. People have got to stop using people's race for jokes or casual discussion. Enough already. Stop discussing race PERIOD! Why don't they tell them this before they enter?!

[Tulin]

Who is Mr Chow?

That was my question.

Is it some character in England?

Is it the name of the China man Benny Hill used to play?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy88Sxxce_4

[Me. I Am Salman]

Everyone knows the warning was unnecessary, is there really a reason to keep arguing about it and compare it to other things

[Tulin]

Excuse me ?


I hear ya.

I find THAT person's comment to you more offensive(in that he is trying to stifle your right to free speech - or worse - trying to control HOW YOU THINK)than what apparently Jemima said.

1984 indeed.

EFFIN scary.

[Me. I Am Salman]

As has been suggested, the 'you probably wouldn't date a white guy' comment has worse undertones than the 'I wouldn't date a black man' one. It's like saying that because I wouldn't date another man I must be homophobic, well I wouldn't and I'm not.

How the **** is that anyway similar

[Me. I Am Salman]

Welcome to the forum tricky :wavey:

Some of us agreed that Jemima was backed into a corner by Gina where she had to defend herself for not being 'racist' after the bizzare accusation. This didnt really come out well for her.

Up to you what your take is on it though.

Yeah I agree Jemima wasn't being racist at all but I won't call Gina the anti-Christ for how she perceived things.

[smeagol]

mr chow is not offensive or racist its a well loved character from a popular movie

[M X]

They call him 'Mr Chow' because she looks like the character Mr. Chow from The Hangover. It isn't just a random racial remark.

Commenting that somebody looks like someone from a film is not racist.

[joeysteele]

I didn't agree with the warning given to Jemima and don't consider her racist but I think all was a heated moment anyway.
I have found I have said things as to this BB on here, I would have been better to just fume inside rather than let out.
When you speak immediately on impulse it can come out the wrong way.

However, I think over the last few days Gina is becoming a really good and entertaining housemate with much more to come and clearly she has moved well on from that incident too.

[tricky]

Point of order;
I didn't link race to sexuality, I linked racism to homophobia.

[Marsh.]

How is saying he looks like Mr. Chow saying he looks like all asians though?

That's not the same thing.

[DanielLuis]

For the last damn time - Jemima wasn't warned for not liking black guys, she was warned for presuming Gina wouldn't date white guys because of her race. I don't think Big Brother gave a damn about who Jemima fancied and didn't fancy, but it's because of the comment she made to Gina about expecting her not to go for white guys (which was an ignorant comment tbh and as a black guy I can see how it can be deemed as racist) which meant that BB HAD to warn her, or else prepare for some complaints from ofcom.

Exactly. That's actually why Gina felt offended, not the other comment.