Ofcom gets 151 complaints over Jemima warning

[Calderyon]

Big Brother 2013: 151 people complain to Ofcom over Jemima Slade's 'racism' warning

More than a 150 people have complained to telly watchdog Ofcom after Big Brother bosses issued Jemima Slade a warning earlier this week over apparent offensive comments.


Jemima was called into the Diary Room by Big Brother after a row with Gina Rio, following what started out as an innocent discussion about guys.

“I go for darker looking, not black, but darker feature, Mediterranean. I wouldn’t generally go for a black guy,” Jemima said. “I like darker guys, but not black guys. Wouldn’t really go for Chinese. I like mixed race.”

She told Gina: “I wouldn’t generally go for a black guy…, I’ve gone out with Indian guys, I’d generally go out with someone in there 30s.”

Jemima later added: “You probably wouldn’t go for a white guy.”

But Gina took offense to the remarks, branding Jemima “racist”.

BB hauled Jemima into the Diary Room and warned her that the comments could be seen as offensive by her fellow housemates and viewers.

However fans have been quick to stand up for Jemima, claiming Channel 5′s warning was not needed.

Writing on our site, one commentator said: “Channel 5 needs to issue an Apology to Jemima…. This is disgusting – Not one bit of what she said was racist.”

And Joe Mount agreed, quipping: “How is it any different to her saying she prefers younger men? That’s not ageist yet this is racist? Come on BB man up (sorry if that sounds sexist)”

It seems like they aren’t the only ones to feel the warning as over the top, with 151 complaints having been made to Ofcom already, who will decide whether or not to investigate the issue.



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[GypsyGoth]

Ofcom must laugh their head off at the BB complaints every year.

[Black Dagger]

LOL, stupid *****.

So what if the old hag got a warning.

[joeysteele]

I think it is a waste of time now moaning to ofcom.
However I do think the warning was out of order really, a simple ticking off saying try to be more careful how you word things in future would have sufficed.

[Vicky.]

Probably would have been the same amount complaining if she didnt get a warning tbh. They cant win.

Mind I do disagree with the warning. I just dont see why people go running to ofcom for every little thing on BB.

[cassieparis]

Any OFCOM investigation will find that Jemima was rightly warned under the broadcasting rules in GB.
Not liking that she was warned doesn't change this fact:pipe:

[Jamesy]

Are there really people around still that watch BB and go to Ofcom?

I bet the people who have complained don't even watch the show. They just saw it on the Daily Star front page and went straight to Ofcom to complain, because that's just what they do for a living.

[Marc]

People are very sad.

[karezza]

Jemima's warning should be withdrawn and she should receive an apology from Big Brother.

:nono:

[Black Dagger]

Oh just boot her out 'Sorry Jemima... it's time to go' xo.

[Vicky.]

Are there really people around still that watch BB and go to Ofcom?

I bet the people who have complained don't even watch the show. They just saw it on the Daily Star front page and went straight to Ofcom to complain, because that's just what they do for a living.

Yup. Though I daresay there would be at least the same amount of complaints, or more likely many more..if they hadnt given her a warning :rolleyes:

[Marc]

I reckon it's the exact same people who moan all the time.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I hate Ofcom but the fact the people asking for BB to apoloogise to her for pretty much labelling her a racist ontv im all for it lol.

[Jack_]

OFCOM complainers are just one of the many factors that have contributed to Big Brother's demise.

[cassieparis]

OFCOM complainers are just one of the many factors that have contributed to Big Brother's demise.

Broadcast racism are also a contributing factor......... :pipe:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Can we confirm these complaints aren't about Jemima being racist.

They are complaints that BB warned Jemima about something that wasn't deemed as racist.

The producers just pissed the public off by warning her for doing **** all.

[Livia]

I'm not surprised people complained. A black girl calling someone else a racist before the "you probably don't date white men" comment was even made. She's made a mockery of genuine racism claims, and the warning was out of order. I don't hold with complaining to Ofcom, but I don't see how else people could show their displeasure.

[the truth]

what jemima said wasn't remotely racist, though it was a bit mindless, but so what, people say silly things all the time.....the other hm claiming it as racism is just disgusting

[Elrond Hubbard]

Sorry but I am in Australia - what the **** is an OFCOM?!?

And yes, Jemima SHOULD receive an apology and a retraction from BB for potentially ruining her life.

[Benjamin]

LOL, stupid *****.

So what if the old hag got a warning.

She didn't deserve it, that's why. Being branded a racist is no light matter.

[cassieparis]

what jemima said wasn't remotely racist, though it was a bit mindless, but so what, people say silly things all the time.....the other hm claiming it as racism is just disgusting

Yeah imagine the whole conversation reversed.
No. Really think about it. :nono:

[Benjamin]

Sorry but I am in Australia - what the **** is an OFCOM?!?

And yes, Jemima SHOULD receive an apology and a retraction from BB for potentially ruining her life.

They are an independent regulator of things shown on television, so if people feel something isn't right or shouldn't have been shown then they go to ofcom who investigate the matter and see if the channel was correct for broadcasting it.

[GiRTh]

Foolish warning. Made a mockery of real race issues and showed Gina for the clueless brat she is.

[Livia]

Yeah imagine the whole conversation reversed.
No. Really think about it. :nono:

Yeah, imagine if Gina was discussing her "type", and she said she generally went for Mediterranean types, but not really white blokes. No one would have cared.

[Kizzy]

Has anyone ever seen the first ever episode of 'wife swop'?....
Watch it, it's very interesting.

[Kizzy]

Has anyone ever seen the first ever episode of 'wife swop'?....
Watch it, it's very interesting.

[the truth]

Yeah, imagine if Gina was discussing her "type", and she said she generally went for Mediterranean types, but not really white blokes. No one would have cared.

exactly.....people from all races, cultures and all walks of life say far more radical things than that regularly.....Ive watched whole tv studious full of black people say they don't date white people. it didn't bother me, its an individuals choice. Muhammad ali used to say its natural for people to stick to marrying people within their culture, religion, ethnicity. no one said it was racist, it was just his opinion. at worst what jemima said was presumptuous. all gina had to do was say actually youre wrong to assume that about me...instead of attention seeking and playing the race card right from the bottom of the deck....what a snake

[Benjamin]

exactly.....people from all races, cultures and all walks of life say far more radical things than that regularly.....Ive watched whole tv studious full of black people say they don't date white people. it didn't bother me, its an individuals choice. Muhammad ali used to say its natural for people to stick to marrying people within their culture, religion, ethnicity. no one said it was racist, it was just his opinion. at worst what jemima said was presumptuous. all gina had to do was say actually youre wrong to assume that about me...instead of attention seeking and playing the race card right from the bottom of the deck....what a snake

That's twice this week I've agreed with you.

[Kazanne]

Seems BB can't do right for doing wrong,they are still reeling from the 'Jade' incident I think ,and are now overly sensitive.

[the truth]

Seems BB can't do right for doing wrong,they are still reeling from the 'Jade' incident I think ,and are now overly sensitive.
they've gone from one extreme to another. jade gate was bullying plain and simple. she and her cackling witches used ethnicity as a tool to bully. though we didn't get to see all the footage so who really knows. this wasn't anything like that. we would learn far more about people on this show, if in such situations we let them at least try and work it out for themselves rather than BB coming down heavy. any fool can see this isn't racism.

[cassieparis]

Yeah, imagine if Gina was discussing her "type", and she said she generally went for Mediterranean types, but not really white blokes. No one would have cared.

Interesting. That's a very limited interpretation of their conversation reversed. :suspect:
I haven't the slightest belief that most feigning outrage at Jemima's warning disliked Gina from the off. :idc:
The reverse could have gone on thus:-
I generally go for lighter guys not white, North African or light African American. I like lighter guys but not white. .......... You PROBABLY wouldn't go for a black guy
All said to the only white girl in a black house who Gina would have been guilty of targeting for no other reason than the loudest girl in the house had already picked her out.

[cassieparis]

they've gone from one extreme to another. jade gate was bullying plain and simple..........BB coming down heavy. any fool can see this isn't racism.

Fools ignore racism. :idc:

[g17m]

I hate Ofcom but the fact the people asking for BB to apoloogise to her for pretty much labelling her a racist ontv im all for it lol.

im the same, what she said wasnt racist and she needs an apology

[billy123]

Fools ignore racism. :idc:You are right cassie and there are two sides to every coin and both sides can be victimised.

[Kizzy]

Interesting. That's a very limited interpretation of their conversation reversed. :suspect:
I haven't the slightest belief that most feigning outrage at Jemima's warning disliked Gina from the off. :idc:
The reverse could have gone on thus:-
I generally go for lighter guys not white, North African or light African American. I like lighter guys but not white. .......... You PROBABLY wouldn't go for a black guy
All said to the only white girl in a black house who Gina would have been guilty of targeting for no other reason than the loudest girl in the house had already picked her out.

No idea what you have tried to do here but it doesn't work, you can't just flip the convo and expect it to prove something.
You remove all the connotation and the intonational from the text, added to that you remove the fact it was simply a convenient platform from which to influence the house.

[Jake.]

Probably would have been the same amount complaining if she didnt get a warning tbh. They cant win.

Mind I do disagree with the warning. I just dont see why people go running to ofcom for every little thing on BB.

This tbh

[cassieparis]

No idea what you have tried to do here but it doesn't work, you can't just flip the convo and expect it to prove something.
You remove all the connotation and the intonational from the text, added to that you remove the fact it was simply a convenient platform from which to influence the house.

If you don't know what I'm trying to do how do you know it hasn't worked? :laugh:
I can just flip the conversation. I just did. You grasped that I see.
The removal of connotation and intonation is your interpretation of the text ... you failed to understand or claim.
What Gina's ambition in the house is to silently listen to someone who doesn't like her speak of her and her approaches to race negatively? Cos the silence earns brownie points pun intended. :wavey:

[Sun Tzu.]

I agree with the complaints. Imagine getting a warning for that!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

This is a step forward imo.

People complaining about false accusations of racism and asking BB to apologise for being over the top/pc/.

[Speedster]

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I agree that it was over the top-she was stating a preference; it wasn't racism but BB won't say sorry to her because they're too arrogant to admit they were wrong.

[Speedster]

Foolish warning. Made a mockery of real race issues and showed Gina for the clueless brat she is.

Right and right.

[ThisIsNickkk]

I do disagree with the warning, she didn't deserve it.

Although, Big Brother is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. People would have complained if she didn't get a warning.

It makes me laugh really that people are so ruddy quick to complain to ofcom, it's sad.

[Kizzy]

If you don't know what I'm trying to do how do you know it hasn't worked? :laugh:
I can just flip the conversation. I just did. You grasped that I see.
The removal of connotation and intonation is your interpretation of the text ... you failed to understand or claim.
What Gina's ambition in the house is to silently listen to someone who doesn't like her speak of her and her approaches to race negatively? Cos the silence earns brownie points pun intended. :wavey:

It hasn't worked because it was never said, it's a hypothetical.
There was no dialogue between the two, the conversation was between Jemima and Micheal regarding physical attraction and was in no way a racial slur.
Gina manipulated the initial conversation which changed the focus.

[cassieparis]

It hasn't worked because it was never said, it's a hypothetical.
There was no dialogue between the two, the conversation was between Jemima and Micheal regarding physical attraction and was in no way a racial slur.
Gina manipulated the initial conversation which changed the focus.
Oh so you did understand but preferred to dismiss my conjecture that' s perfectly valid within the context? :shrug: not nice :nono:
I disagree with your interpretation that Jemima's comments were directed at
Michael. Disingenuous wouldn't even begin to describe it. But I see where you're going with it. :suspect:
Jemima's comments following the incident support the facts. She was talking to Gina. However if as you insist she wasn't it makes her comments even more snide! :nono:

[Marcus.]

wow

[Kizzy]

Oh so you did understand but preferred to dismiss my conjecture that' s perfectly valid within the context? :shrug: not nice :nono:
I disagree with your interpretation that Jemima's comments were directed at
Michael. Disingenuous wouldn't even begin to describe it. But I see where you're going with it. :suspect:
Jemima's comments following the incident support the facts. She was talking to Gina. However if as you insist she wasn't it makes her comments even more snide! :nono:

No need to resort to condescension.
My whole point was I don't believe your context is or could be valid, Jemima was having a conversation with Micheal and Gina interjected.
After being falsely accused Jemima was on the defensive and rather flustered therefore her wording was misconstrued in my opinion, you may disagree but that is how I viewed the incident.

[Fish_Fingers]

The old sea hag Jemima made an assumption about Gina, based on Gina's skin colour. It was ignorant, it was foolish but I just can't see it as racism.

I live in an East Asian country, and people make assumptions about me based on my skin colour all the time. They assume that I can't use chopsticks, they assume that I can't eat spicy food and they assume that I can't speak their language. As it happens, I can do all of those things and I take delight in showing them. Yet I never feel that I'm a victim of racism. If they were hunting me down, spitting on me, attacking me and denying me basic services then I would cry racism. But simple, albeit ignorant, assumptions are not racism in my book.

[cassieparis]

The old sea hag Jemima made an assumption about Gina, based on Gina's skin colour. It was ignorant, it was foolish but I just can't see it as racism.

I live in an East Asian country, and people make assumptions about me based on my skin colour all the time. They assume that I can't use chopsticks, they assume that I can't eat spicy food and they assume that I can't speak their language. As it happens, I can do all of those things and I take delight in showing them. Yet I never feel that I'm a victim of racism. If they were hunting me down, spitting on me, attacking me and denying me basic services then I would cry racism. But simple, albeit ignorant, assumptions are not racism in my book.
Actually they are.
But you have the right to interpret their behaviour in any way you like.
However if you were a child or adovacating for one receiving this behaviour your delight at integration might be bitter sweet.

[Fish_Fingers]

Actually they are.
But you have the right to interpret their behaviour in any way you like.
However if you were a child or adovacating for one receiving this behaviour your delight at integration might be bitter sweet.

Interesting theory. So what exactly should be done about people making such assumptions? If it is racism then obviously it is bad and it must be changed, perhaps even severely punished. How can we deal with, and ultimately end, such behaviour?

[Tulin]

The old sea hag Jemima made an assumption about Gina, based on Gina's skin colour. It was ignorant, it was foolish but I just can't see it as racism.

I live in an East Asian country, and people make assumptions about me based on my skin colour all the time. They assume that I can't use chopsticks, they assume that I can't eat spicy food and they assume that I can't speak their language. As it happens, I can do all of those things and I take delight in showing them. Yet I never feel that I'm a victim of racism. If they were hunting me down, spitting on me, attacking me and denying me basic services then I would cry racism. But simple, albeit ignorant, assumptions are not racism in my book.

Oh but didn't you know - it's ONLY racist when a white person does it against an Asian/black person/Jew/Aboriginal/Eskimo/Whatever
.

Didn't you hear they passed it into law - only white people can be racist. Everybody else is INCAPABLE of being racist.

You can't disagree with the law, you know, otherwise you're politically incorrect and maybe even a r****t yourself!


And we wouldn't want to be THAT, would we?!?



*Goes off to watch some classic Benny Hill as Benny squints his eyes and berates the interviewer, calling him a "sirry iriot" and I laugh my feckin arse off!!!*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy88Sxxce_4

[cassieparis]

No need to resort to condescension.
My whole point was I don't believe your context is or could be valid, Jemima was having a conversation with Micheal and Gina interjected.
After being falsely accused Jemima was on the defensive and rather flustered therefore her wording was misconstrued in my opinion, you may disagree but that is how I viewed the incident.
Condescension? Who me? :shrug: I humbly appreciate the opportunity to debate. With anyone. :hugesmile:
Gina interjected and Jemima responded with racist comments. I don't remember Gina reaching into Jemima's mouth to elicit these comments. So I continue to firmly disagree in blaming the victim.
At the risk of boring everyone else but with ver kind regards,I'll respectfully discontinue addressing reason to you on this thread.

[Livia]

Interesting. That's a very limited interpretation of their conversation reversed. :suspect:
I haven't the slightest belief that most feigning outrage at Jemima's warning disliked Gina from the off. :idc:
The reverse could have gone on thus:-
I generally go for lighter guys not white, North African or light African American. I like lighter guys but not white. .......... You PROBABLY wouldn't go for a black guy
All said to the only white girl in a black house who Gina would have been guilty of targeting for no other reason than the loudest girl in the house had already picked her out.

I had no feelings either way for either of them from the off, so I don't know what you're implying with your silly emoticon and your "feigning" implication, so spit it out if you've got something to say. For the record, I didn't like Jemima from the off, and I still don't.

All the rest of your post is pure conjecture. You can say the same old thing in as many different ways as you like, the fact is that the majority of people on this forum - and we have a few races and colours and backgrounds on here - think that what Gina did was cynical and wrong. You turning the whole thing around to a case of semantics isn't going to make anyone change their mind about what they saw. Yes, she could have phrased it differently. Shoulda, woulda, coulda... get over it.

[armand.kay]

Urgh can people just get over it :bored:

[Livia]

Urgh can people just get over it :bored:

Discussion forum. For discussion. You're not compelled to join in.

[armand.kay]

Discussion forum. For discussion. You're not compelled to join in.
I'm talking about the people complaining to ofcom.

[Kizzy]

Condescension? Who me? :shrug: I humbly appreciate the opportunity to debate. With anyone. :hugesmile:
Gina interjected and Jemima responded with racist comments. I don't remember Gina reaching into Jemima's mouth to elicit these comments. So I continue to firmly disagree in blaming the victim.
At the risk of boring everyone else but with ver kind regards,I'll respectfully discontinue addressing reason to you on this thread.

:conf:

[pcro]

I'm wondering whether Ofcom ever gets a complaint from a non-lunatic. :joker:

[Livia]

I'm talking about the people complaining to ofcom.

Apologies armand, I misunderstood.

[Tulin]

:conf:

Agreed.

Personally I find left-wing loonies just as bad as extreme right-wing nutjobs.

It's the same kind of insanity, just at the opposite end of the spectrum.

[Fish_Fingers]

Agreed.

Personally I find left-wing loonies just as bad as extreme right-wing nutjobs.

It's the same kind of insanity, just at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Extreme left, extreme right. Very little difference when examined closely.

[armand.kay]

Apologies armand, I misunderstood.
:hug:

[cassieparis]

I had no feelings either way for either of them from the off, so I don't know what you're implying with your silly emoticon and your "feigning" implication, so spit it out if you've got something to say. For the record, I didn't like Jemima from the off, and I still don't.

All the rest of your post is pure conjecture. You can say the same old thing in as many different ways as you like, the fact is that the majority of people on this forum - and we have a few races and colours and backgrounds on here - think that what Gina did was cynical and wrong. You turning the whole thing around to a case of semantics isn't going to make anyone change their mind about what they saw. Yes, she could have phrased it differently. Shoulda, woulda, coulda... get over it.
Because you had sided with a majority it does not follow that you are right. Regardless of the racial mixture of that majority. The demographic which you don't actually know.
If you don't know what I'm implying with the "silly" emoticon you can focus harder.
I do not spit things out I say them politely. You do not think or speak for everyone on this board and I remain entitled to speak my mind. Even though you've tried to silence me before.
You may continue to speculate as to how my argument affects the minds of others but in reality you don't know what's in the mind of every poster or reader of this board. So you get over it! Stop trying to control :nono:

[Livia]

Because you had sided with a majority it does not follow that you are right. Regardless of the racial mixture of that majority. The demographic which you don't actually know.
If you don't know what I'm implying with the "silly" emoticon you can focus harder.
I do not spit things out I say them politely. You do not think or speak for everyone on this board and I remain entitled to speak my mind. Even though you've tried to silence me before.
You may continue to speculate as to how my argument affects the minds of others but in reality you don't know what's in the mind of every poster or reader of this board. So you get over it! Stop trying to control :nono:


I have no need to focus on on emoticons because I mostly converse with people who can express themselves beautifully without them. You were trying to imply something... you still haven't got around to it, so I'll let it go.

How have I tried to silence you? You're on a Big Brother forum on the Internet. Get some perspective.

Actually, I do know what's in the minds of a lot of the posters on this board, because they've said so in their posts. I'm not guessing. I don't have to.

I wasn't asking you to get over it, I was suggesting Gina get over it. You obviously will never get over it.

[HD]

I could never imagine ringing OfCom and complaining... I'd feel slightly stupid :S

I just imagine all OfCom fangals to be like that happybbfan on Digital Spy.

[Ellen]

I would not call Ofcom but i do think BB was out of order giving her a warning, she did nothing wrong.

[Samm]

What is the point in ofcom anyway

[cassieparis]

I have no need to focus on on emoticons because I mostly converse with people who can express themselves beautifully without them. You were trying to imply something... you still haven't got around to it, so I'll let it go.

How have I tried to silence you? You're on a Big Brother forum on the Internet. Get some perspective.

Actually, I do know what's in the minds of a lot of the posters on this board, because they've said so in their posts. I'm not guessing. I don't have to.

I wasn't asking you to get over it, I was suggesting Gina get over it. You obviously will never get over it.
Yes, focus is required here as you still can't fathom its meaning. But the you're letting that one go. Thanks.
Yes it goes blurry if you stare too long. I was terrified you would be able to decipher the symbol and be outraged. :laugh: There I go again communicating with primitive symbols rather than the written word. Too complex for you though.
I was suggesting that you don't know whose mind my post would change. But it would seem you do. Good trick that and also miraculous. Hold on another symbol coming. Concentrate :idc:
My perspective remains reasonable yours irritable, controlling and over bearing .... honey I may never get over racism, but I'm so over you. :xyxwave:

[Livia]

Yes, focus is required here as you still can't fathom its meaning. But the you're letting that one go. Thanks.
Yes it goes blurry if you stare too long. I was terrified you would be able to decipher the symbol and be outraged. :laugh: There I go again communicating with primitive symbols rather than the written word. Too complex for you though.
I was suggesting that you don't know whose mind my post would change. But it would seem you do. Good trick that and also miraculous. Hold on another symbol coming. Concentrate :idc:
My perspective remains reasonable yours irritable, controlling and over bearing .... honey I may never get over racism, but I'm so over you. :xyxwave:


I have no freakin' clue what you're rambling on about.

[cassieparis]

I have no freakin' clue what you're rambling on about.

!

[Kizzy]

:joker:

[Rob!]

Poor channel 5 just can't win can they? :joker:

[Cherie]

Poor channel 5 just can't win can they? :joker:

Nope.

[King Gizzard]

Just telling her to be careful would have sufficed

[Marcus.]

dammed if they do dammed if they don't

[Patrick]

Quite funny - how the shoe's on the other foot now :laugh:

In 2007 they were flooded with complaints urging Big Brother to deal with the issue of Jade being a racist - and now in 2013, they're getting told to make Big Brother apologize :laugh:

It'd be quite brilliant though if BB had to call Jemima into the Diary Room and said sorry, and perhaps rewarded her with a little fruit basket and some massage oils.

Would be the first time Big Brother has ever admitted to being wrong.

[armand.kay]

As much as I think it was stupid for bb to give her a warning, "big brothers word is final" even thought bb has broken/changed allot of its own rules I would like some to remain.

[Saph]

they'd be more complaints if she hadn't have gotten a warning anyway