Hazel's reaction to Charlies comment.

[GiRTh]

What did you think? Justified or an overreaction?

[MTVN]

Justified.. can't be nice having someone who knows nothing about her relationship suggest she might have been a factor in the suicide

That's not to say Charlie was being deliberately horrible or anything though, she just wasn't thinking about insensitive it might come across

[Me. I Am Salman]

You're talking as if they had a full on argument and she spat on her face

[Calderyon]

Justified. What a horrible thing to ask.

[Scream]

Someone explain??

[GypsyGoth]

I don't think Hazel will ever forget it for the whole series.

It was a silly thing for Charlie to ask but I don't feel it was meant in a malicious way at all.

[Amy Jade]

Justified, Charlie was way out of line.

Hazel handled it quite well I think, she's not being rude and she's willing to leave it.

[Jake.]

Justified.. can't be nice having someone who knows nothing about her relationship suggest she might have been a factor in the suicide

That's not to say Charlie was being deliberately horrible or anything though, she just wasn't thinking about insensitive it might come across

Yeah, agree with this

[alchemist]

What did Charlie say? I missed it and I'm really intrigued

[Indy]

I wonder how many free passes at "she didn't mean it" Charlie will get before people decide she's doing it for gameplay and not because she's really that stupid.

[GypsyGoth]

Someone explain??

Hazel's ex boyfriend was a boxer who Daley knew and fought before. He committed suicide, and as Hazel was talking to them about it, Charlie asked if he killed himself because Hazel broke up with him. Hazel was taken aback and said she hoped not.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Someone explain??

Charlie asked whether Hazel's boyfriend killed herself because of their break up
Hazel just found it slightly uncomfortable, naturally said no and tried forgetting about it, but apparently she made a huge reaction..

[Me. I Am Salman]

You posted it in this thread like a second ago :laugh3:

[Livia]

Charlie was incredibly tactless.

[Braden]

Charlie just needs to think before she speaks.

Hazel handled it pretty well tbh, if I were her I would literally have gone crazy.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i feel really bad for charlie :sad:

she looked so upset in the dr

[Firewire]

Justified. Charlie should have kept her mouth shut. It honestly could haunt Hazel for the rest of her life.

[pcro]

Justified or not, I think this will be a major catalyst in cementing some real divides in the house.

[Gillian-73]

Justified! You don't ask a question like that! Charlie was tactless and insensitive.

[smeagol]

justified the only thing i didnt like was hazel said she doesnt want to talk about it but then talks to dan and jack and jill and god knows who else,
i just think she doesn't like her that much.

[fruit_cake]

I thought Hazel took it too far she's clearly not forgiven Charlie. That make up was totally fake imo

[Jords]

Justified but I think Charlie came off better actually in the aftermauth.

[Josy]

It was justified at first, not 7 hours later when she was still bringing it up at the same time as saying she didn't want to talk about it :idc:

[Marsh.]

Justified.

I'm not sure on what planet it could be an overreaction, she deliberately walked away so as to not cause a scene over it.

Then they resolved it maturely. By BB standards they both got out of it pretty well.

[Johnnyuk123]

It's not as if Charlie asked if she had a wart on her fanny.

[Visage]

It was justified at first, not 7 hours later when she was still bringing it up at the same time as saying she didn't want to talk about it :idc:

Yep.

[cookiemonster]

i don't think she overreacted. she would have though if she had been outside the house. that's the impression i get, and i swear she's said something along those lines. that in the house she feels you have to hold back

[Withano]

Its weird that they didn't talk for 8 hours and Hazel was the one who asked for a hug, she's clearly a lovely person.

[Pink Pegasus]

I would have gone absolutely crazy if Charlie had said something like that to me!

Not sure how Hazel managed to keep her cool at all. And I'm saying this as someone who usually prefers Charlie to Hazel.

I can't believe how unbelievably stupid and insensitive Charlie was to ask those types of questions. I agree when Hazel said that "her worst enemy" wouldn't have said those things to her.

However, I don't for a second think she meant to cause any hurt and I think she really did feel terrible and absolutely redeemed herself by not only her apology to Hazel, but also by later again acknowledging her flaws and explaining herself when Jemima and her mum were arguing.

[rionablue]

Justified. I think when Charlie started talking about it she should have gaged that it wasnt the right think to say then just say 'sorry I didnt mean that, i dont know what iw as thinking' but she kinda kept on till the end of what she was going to say then it took a second to realise it was totally the wrong thing to say. That said I know she wasnt trying to hurt Hazel and Hazel dealt with it very well. The only reason she talked to a few people about it was that they are the ppl who are closest to her as was said on BBOTS tonight

[babybella1972]

What did you think? Justified or an overreaction?

As long as Hazel leaves it there .... its all good. End of. (silly mistake from Charlie but not malicious)

[DanielLuis]

It was justified. Charlie did it unintentionally though.

[maryse12]

Absolutely justified.

[CaudleHalbard]

Charlie has all the tact of Alan Partridge! :D

[GiRTh]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119965/Darren-Sutherlands-ex-girlfriend-Hazel-O-Sullivan-reveals-tried-make-scapegoat.html
Tragic story.

[JayBlaze]

Charlie was probably right

[jjj2]

www.herald.ie/news/tragic-darrens-exgirlfriend-recuperates-abroad-27926803.html

[thesheriff443]

hazel could bore someone to death!
Charlie fell into her hands, it was already clear hazel did not like Charlie as the guys hover around Charlie, hazel laying it on nice and thick!, it was just saying without thinking in the same way Jackie slipped up with Michael saying he was the only one nominating!

[Marc]

Charlie should've just dropped the whole thing rather than try to desperately apologise to make herself feel better. It made for a very awkward situation

[Cherie]

Was anyone else surprised that that was aired? :conf: I thought HMs weren't allowed to speak about people outside the house, isn't that why we get all the twittering birds on LF? What about this poor guy's family having it discussed like that it was pretty poor imo.

[Marc]

I didn't think it was right either. Bit too personal but I guess all we'd have no else to see and the awkwardness days after wouldn't have made sense lol

[thesheriff443]

I think it was factual, rather than hear say!
clearly he died and it was ruled as suicide, so that's why it was aired.

[Daffodil]

I think Hazel overreacted. It was obvious to me that Charlie was, in her naive sort of way, trying to make a compliment of the fact that losing Hazel, her fiancé was moved to commit suicide. For Hazel to then not want to talk about it (for the next 6 hours!!) was hypocritical to say the least. Hazel's act of forgiveness at the end of this time was very theatrical. I really wanted Charlie to say 'thanks but no thanks' to the requested 'hug' - (grasp of the preying mantis). Hazel realised that she looked a complete berk making such a song and dance of it, hence the back-tracking. I personally like Charlie. She seems a genuinely nice girl and would NOT have meant for Hazel to take what she said, in the way she did. I also got the impression that the 6 hours of discussion about it was a game-playing tactic by Hazel. Not sure I like her any more. Does she ever go without make-up????

[jjj2]

I think Hazel overreacted. It was obvious to me that Charlie was, in her naive sort of way, trying to make a compliment of the fact that losing Hazel, her fiancé was moved to commit suicide. For Hazel to then not want to talk about it (for the next 6 hours!!) was hypocritical to say the least. Hazel's act of forgiveness at the end of this time was very theatrical. I really wanted Charlie to say 'thanks but no thanks' to the requested 'hug' - (grasp of the preying mantis). Hazel realised that she looked a complete berk making such a song and dance of it, hence the back-tracking. I personally like Charlie. She seems a genuinely nice girl and would NOT have meant for Hazel to take what she said, in the way she did. I also got the impression that the 6 hours of discussion about it was a game-playing tactic by Hazel. Not sure I like her any more. Does she ever go without make-up????Every word of this is amazingly insensitive /cold hearted

[fruit_cake]

I think Hazel overreacted. It was obvious to me that Charlie was, in her naive sort of way, trying to make a compliment of the fact that losing Hazel, her fiancé was moved to commit suicide. For Hazel to then not want to talk about it (for the next 6 hours!!) was hypocritical to say the least. Hazel's act of forgiveness at the end of this time was very theatrical. I really wanted Charlie to say 'thanks but no thanks' to the requested 'hug' - (grasp of the preying mantis). Hazel realised that she looked a complete berk making such a song and dance of it, hence the back-tracking. I personally like Charlie. She seems a genuinely nice girl and would NOT have meant for Hazel to take what she said, in the way she did. I also got the impression that the 6 hours of discussion about it was a game-playing tactic by Hazel. Not sure I like her any more. Does she ever go without make-up????

I agree in part with this, Hazel was milking the situation to the max, using it to suck others into seeing her as a victim of a huge scandal..whereas in reality it was just an honest mistake.

Plus, Hazel did actually allude to it in a way and Charlie was almost just finishing her sentence of for her. If Hazel was so sensitive about it, why did she even bring it up in the first place?

For me it was a small thing that got twisted into something much more sinister.

[Daffodil]

Plus, Hazel did actually allude to it in a way and Charlie was almost just finishing her sentence of for her. If Hazel was so sensitive about it, why did she even bring it up in the first place?


Absolutely spot on!

[Vanessa]

Hazel milked it for all it was worth. :nono:

[GiRTh]

Plus, Hazel did actually allude to it in a way and Charlie was almost just finishing her sentence of for her. If Hazel was so sensitive about it, why did she even bring it up in the first place?
Agree. The way Hazel said it she implied as much.

I think it was a genuine misunderstanding between the two. These two don't seem to get on all that well if they can have such a huge misunderstanding. Hazel has implied that she's not too keen on Charlie too. This could be a feud to watch for the future.

[Stateofconfusion]

I don't think Hazel's reaction was an overreaction. I think she just needed some time to think about, talk it through with the people she is closest with and get over it. I mean she hugged Charlie as if to say she was over it and accepted Charlie's earlier apology.

[fruit_cake]

Agree. The way Hazel said it she implied as much.

I think it was a genuine misunderstanding between the two. These two don't seem to get on all that well if they can have such a huge misunderstanding. Hazel has implied that she's not too keen on Charlie too. This could be a feud to watch for the future.

haha definitely, Hazel really doesn't feel to me to have forgiven Charlie at all.

[MTVN]

It's not like Hazel banged on about it to everyone to try and milk sympathy from them, the only person she talked to about it was the one she's closest to in Dan, and after discussing it with him in a calm and reasonable way she took the initiative to make up with Charlie and accept her apology

Don't think Hazel could really have handled it any better

[Niamh.]

I thought Hazel took it too far she's clearly not forgiven Charlie. That make up was totally fake imo

Took it too far in what way? She did nothing but talk to her friend in the house about it and then she gave Charlie a hug and made up with her (not that she'd actually even fallen out with her) God give the girl a break, she was pretty nice about something pretty hurtful (not that I think Charlie intended to hurt her but ****ing hell it was a horrible thing to ask someone)

[fruit_cake]

Took it too far in what way? She did nothing but talk to her friend in the house about it and then she gave Charlie a hug and made up with her (not that she'd actually even fallen out with her) God give the girl a break, she was pretty nice about something pretty hurtful (not that I think Charlie intended to hurt her but ****ing hell it was a horrible thing to ask someone)

I agree about the Charlie bit being insensitive, but if Hazel didn't want to talk about it, why did she bring it up in the first place..?

[Niamh.]

I agree about the Charlie bit being insensitive, but if Hazel didn't want to talk about it, why did she bring it up in the first place..?

She didn't want to talk about Charlie asking her if his suicide was her fault, infact I don't think they were even talking about the fact that he committed suicide at all, they were just talking about the guy himself as Daley also knew him. It was Charlie who asked how he died and then asked if it was because of Hazel

[Stateofconfusion]

She didn't want to talk about Charlie asking her if his suicide was her fault, infact I don't think they were even talking about the fact that he committed suicide at all, they were just talking about the guy himself as Daley also knew him. It was Charlie who asked how he died and then asked if it was because of Hazel

I didn't see it as her asking if it was because of Hazel. I think she was curious and went about asking it the wrong way. She didn't think before she spoke.

[Niamh.]

I didn't see it as her asking if it was because of Hazel. I think she was curious and went about asking it the wrong way. She didn't think before she spoke.

She said something like Do you think he killed himself because of the break up or something along those lines.........

[GiRTh]

I think, the way Hazel framed the statement she said one thing straight after the other giving the impression they were related. Charlies chain of thought was fair enough IMO she just shouldn't have said it out loud.

[Niamh.]

I think, the way Hazel framed the statement she said one thing straight after the other giving the impression they were related. Charlies chain of thought was fair enough IMO she just shouldn't have said it out loud.

Sure, I agree and yeah I think most people will agree that Charlie wasn't being nasty, she just has a bit of a Homer Simpson thing going on saying stuff she should just be thinking :laugh:

[the truth]

Its simply a bunch of women using anything to get cheap attention on a reality tv show....theyre all pathetic

[GiRTh]

Sure, I agree and yeah I think most people will agree that Charlie wasn't being nasty, she just has a bit of a Homer Simpson thing going on saying stuff she should just be thinking :laugh:Agree. She needs to think more.