For Jemima: a dictionary definition of 'death'

[MilkMaid]

death [deth] (noun) 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Dan is generally pompous and pious and Jemima isn't a racist BUT tonight he was right and she was really annoying!

[GypsyGoth]

:laugh2:

[Me. I Am Salman]

People can die for a moment and be resuscitated

[fingers]

People can die for a moment and be resuscitated
That is not death.

[JTM45]

People can die for a moment and be resuscitated

They cannot, clearly!
Death is not a short term or temporary thing, unless you're a Zombie!!!:hugesmile:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Well Jemima clearly thought otherwise, and I've certainly heard that phrase being used before..

[smudgie]

Sounds like tne daughter could have had a febrile fit.
Sounds like the mother had a hissy fit.

[Marsh.]

She knows that she just wanted a completely unrelated conversation to suddenly be about her.

"****, I'm up for eviction, blah blah blah blah MY DAUGHTER DIED!!!!"

:eek:

"Urgh, and then she wasn't."

:nono:

[KingOfTheMods]

Well Jemima clearly thought otherwise, and I've certainly heard that phrase being used before..

Jemima's clearly a twat who thinks all her life experiences are significantly more important and traumatic than other people's. Eff her. Eff everybody.

[Withano]

When I breathe in underwater, am I dead?

[Blue Cadillac]

death [deth] (noun) 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Dan is generally pompous and pious and Jemima isn't a racist BUT tonight he was right and she was really annoying!

Couldn't agree more.

[Amy Jade]

You can die and be revived.

[Blue Cadillac]

Death is permanent. If you're revived, it's no longer permanent.

[MilkMaid]

We should probably remember that Jemima originally said her daughter had died in retaliation to Jackie talking about Charlie's grandmother dying in front of her. Unless I'm mistaken, the grandmother has not done a Lazarus, so it was hardly a like-for-like comparison.

Also note that Jemima only mentioned that her daughter's "death" was a temporary thing after a few minutes of one-upmanship! She was quite happy to give the impression that it was the usual version, ie, permanent, presumably for dramatic effect.

Let's be honest, most people when told that someone had died would not expect to have them round for dinner the next week. Unless you're into some very weird stuff...

[MTVN]

You can be named 'clinically dead' and then revived so Jemima wasn't enitrely wrong, but the way she talked about it gave the impression that her daughter had completely passed away

[JTM45]

You can die and be revived.

You CANNOT!!!!!!
Death is permanent. You cannot die for a short period of time!

[Amy Jade]

You CANNOT!!!!!!
Death is permanent. You cannot die for a short period of time!
Yes you can.

[Blue Cadillac]

I found this, if it helps:

"Death was historically believed to be an event that coincided with the onset of clinical death. It is now understood that death is a series of physical events, not a single one, and determination of permanent death is dependent on other factors beyond simple cessation of breathing and heartbeat".

Since Jemima's daughter was described as having stopped breathing, one could argue that permanent death had not taken place, and that it was more the case that she'd stopped breathing, but other physical events had not occurred in order to determine death.

[cookiemonster]

Yes you can.
not really. it's called stopped breathing. if they never regain consciousness then they've died

[Annemarie]

Jemima you are not in junior school don't dramatize and make competitions out of yeah well my daughter died beat that! How pathetically childish!.

[Vicky.]

You can be named 'clinically dead' and then revived so Jemima wasn't enitrely wrong, but the way she talked about it gave the impression that her daughter had completely passed away

This.

[fingers]

The difference between clinical death and biological death is small: just a few crucial minutes, in fact. Clinical death is the point at which a person's heart stops beating. At that time, breathing and blood circulation stop. Biological death occurs some four to six minutes later, when the brain cells die from lack of oxygen.

When brain death occurs, all neurological functions irreversibly cease. The brain simply cannot survive for very long without oxygen. When oxygen is withheld beyond that six-minute threshold, brain death is the result. The reason the brain-death clock starts ticking down once the heart stops is because cardiac activity is the whole ballgame for our bodies, and brains. When the heart stops, oxygen cannot be transported to the brain and the brain dies from lack of it. The legal time of death is noted at the moment in which a doctor determines that a patient's entire brain has ceased to function.

It's still possible to resuscitate a person who has undergone clinical death and keep them alive by artificial means of life support, such as a respirator. However, when biological death has been established and the brain has been too long deprived of oxygen, resuscitation is impossible. Often, at that point, another clock starts ticking away in the background: the clock for organ donation. :wavey:

[Amy Jade]

not really. it's called stopped breathing. if they never regain consciousness then they've died
Yes, you really can.

[BigSister]

haha I knew someone would make a thread out of this and jemama was really annoying me tonight

[rionablue]

We should probably remember that Jemima originally said her daughter had died in retaliation to Jackie talking about Charlie's grandmother dying in front of her. Unless I'm mistaken, the grandmother has not done a Lazarus, so it was hardly a like-for-like comparison.

Also note that Jemima only mentioned that her daughter's "death" was a temporary thing after a few minutes of one-upmanship! She was quite happy to give the impression that it was the usual version, ie, permanent, presumably for dramatic effect.

Let's be honest, most people when told that someone had died would not expect to have them round for dinner the next week. Unless you're into some very weird stuff...

I totally agree MilkMaid. Well said :hugesmile:

[MatthewS]

Jemima did herself no favours with that rant to Jackie tonight...

[babybella1972]

death [deth] (noun) 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Dan is generally pompous and pious and Jemima isn't a racist BUT tonight he was right and she was really annoying!

I totally agree ... how to stretch the reality according to Jemima ... the conversation went round in a circle again and SUPRISE ... it was all about Jemima ....

[Jords]

I think youll find Jem claimed her daughter died not deathed :idc:

[fingers]

I think youll find Jem claimed her daughter died not deathed :idc:

sorry, you lost me there! :hugesmile:

[Bluerang1]

I think youll find Jem claimed her daughter died not deathed :idc:

you win.

[joeysteele]

death [deth] (noun) 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Dan is generally pompous and pious and Jemima isn't a racist BUT tonight he was right and she was really annoying!

Spot on, the term Jemima should have used was her child arrested.yes the heart may have been stopped for a minute or more but you are not even classed as dead until over 3 minutes or more have passed.
It was I think anyway, an attempt to turn a traumatic event around to be all about her.

[cookiemonster]

it was. if it was that traumatic you don't bring it up in an argument to be used a trump card, sorry

[Jords]

sorry, you lost me there! :hugesmile:

Somebody's death is their final moment of living. If Jemima said "My daughter's death..." this would imply that she died and stayed dead as the definition suggests.

Because Jem said "My daughter died..." it implied she stopped living without knowing the time frame.

died, dy·ing (dng), dies
1. To cease living; become dead; expire.

Her daughter ceased living for just over a minute.

:tongue:

[Marsh.]

You can die and be revived.

Yes you can.

Yes, you really can.

Wow, what a convincing case you make. I have no option but to believe you.

[Roy Mars III]

:joker:

[Josy]

You can be named 'clinically dead' and then revived so Jemima wasn't enitrely wrong, but the way she talked about it gave the impression that her daughter had completely passed away

This.

Jemima was a complete twat tonight and only brought that incident into the conversation to get one up on Jacke saying Charlie had witnessed her grandmothers death and basically make herself the centre of attention again.

She's the type of person that would lie about anything to make her sound better than you, if you said you ate 2 sausages for breakfast you could pretty much guarantee Jemima would say she had ate 3.

[cookiemonster]

Wow, what a convincing case you make. I have no option but to believe you.
:joker:

[fingers]

Somebody's death is their final moment of living. If Jemima said "My daughter's death..." this would imply that she died and stayed dead as the definition suggests.

Because Jem said "My daughter died..." it implied she stopped living without knowing the time frame.



Her daughter ceased living for just over a minute.

:tongue:

What gobbledygook is that?

[Marsh.]

She exclaimed her daughter died and allowed everyone to presume that was the case, her daughter dropped dead in front of her and only later mentioned she revived her.

Even poor Gina had to clarify "So she's not dead?" after she'd been crying.

Every conversation she has, it's a constant oneupmanship with her. So self centred. Even when it came to someone mentioning they had a friend who surfs, she said "my friend surfs all the time... He's blind". She's full of bull****.

[Scream]

I don't know why people are making a joke out of it...it would be a horrible thing to go through. If Jemima wants to say her daughter died then she can say her daughter died...I think it's really insensitive of Dan to pull her up on that. Jemima is a nice woman, every argument she's had, it's been started by someone else. Good for her for sticking her for herself.

[Jords]

What gobbledygook is that?

Only trying to help apologies if you dont understand :pat:

She exclaimed her daughter died and allowed everyone to presume that was the case, her daughter dropped dead in front of her and only later mentioned she revived her.

Even poor Gina had to clarify "So she's not dead?" after she'd been crying.

Every conversation she has, it's a constant oneupmanship with her. So self centred.

That was exactly the problem, not the used of "died"

[cookiemonster]

scream, no one's denying it'd be traumatic to go through. but it's not then something you use to 'one-up' someone in an argument

[fingers]

Only trying to help apologies if you dont understand :pat:



That was exactly the problem, not the used of "died"
Who invented the word "deathed"?:conf:

[Scream]

scream, no one's denying it'd be traumatic to go through. but it's not then something you use to 'one-up' someone in an argument

You can't prove that she was using that as an excuse to be 'one-up' on Jackie, nor can I claim she wasn't but I still don't think people should judge that and be laughing about it. Also, why the hell did Jackie even bring up Charlie's Nan dying in front of her to begin with? No relevance.

[Jords]

Who invented the word "deathed"?:conf:

That is exactly my point. The OP is a definition of 'death', Jemima said 'died'.

Anyway this is pretty boring.

[Marsh.]

I don't know why people are making a joke out of it...it would be a horrible thing to go through. If Jemima wants to say her daughter died then she can say her daughter died...I think it's really insensitive of Dan to pull her up on that. Jemima is a nice woman, every argument she's had, it's been started by someone else. Good for her for sticking her for herself.

Of course it's horrible but did it have anything to do with the conversation? No.

They were discussing Charlie, nothing else. Nobody can say anything about themselves without Jemima wanting the limelight.

[Scream]

Of course it's horrible but did it have anything to do with the conversation? No.

They were discussing Charlie, nothing else. Nobody can say anything about themselves without Jemima wanting the limelight.

Charlie's Nan dying didn't have anything to do with the conversation? Just because the convo was about Charlie doesn't mean Jackie needed to bring up that. People just don't like Jemima, that's all it is.

[fingers]

That is exactly my point. The OP is a definition of 'death', Jemima said 'died'.

Anyway this is pretty boring.
It is boring and obfuscation makes for a poor argument.:sleep:

[Jords]

It is boring and obfuscation makes for a poor argument.:sleep:

So is nitpicking at HMs for their choices of wording.

[Josy]

Charlie's Nan dying didn't have anything to do with the conversation? Just because the convo was about Charlie doesn't mean Jackie needed to bring up that. People just don't like Jemima, that's all it is.

Jackie was explaining the circumstances leading up to Charlies problems, Jemima just jumped in with the news about her daughter so she could be the centre of attention.

[Pink Pegasus]

Charlie's Nan dying didn't have anything to do with the conversation? Just because the convo was about Charlie doesn't mean Jackie needed to bring up that. People just don't like Jemima, that's all it is.

Jackie was talking about some of the things Charlie had been through and the granny dying in Charlie's arms was one of those things.
Jemima replied by screaming, "my daughter died!", "my daughter died in my arms!" and kept repeating it.
And yes, sure I can't prove it unless Jemima admitted it, but imo I think it was blatantly obvious that she only started screaming about that to make her own story sound more traumatic compared to Charlie's.

[Indy]

You CANNOT!!!!!!
Death is permanent. You cannot die for a short period of time!

There is a state known as "clinical death", which means the heart and lung functions have ceased. It is medically induced during certain surgical procedures. It can occur during hypothermia - it is also a reason hypothermia is also used as a medical treatment, because the chance of permanent injury is reduced. Only with medical intervention is this state reversible, but it is reversible.

Considering no language has a single cut and dried definition of "life", it's a bit silly to be cocksure about death.

[Niamh.]

You can be named 'clinically dead' and then revived so Jemima wasn't enitrely wrong, but the way she talked about it gave the impression that her daughter had completely passed away

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that

[fruit_cake]

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that

hmm I'm not convinced that would be the best thing for Charlie, on the one hand we're all supposed to be up in arms because Hazel was offended and shown on national TV that she may or may not have had some involvement in a suicide, yet when Charlie's life and medical history are splashed all over our screens, we are supposed to think it's all fine because it's her mother who does it..? I don't buy that.

[Jemal]

I reckon the house wil so go against the mother and daughter you know...

[Me. I Am Salman]

No way, Charlie is a bore and the bores stick together.

[anne666]

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that
LOL Oh dear what a carry on !!! One over- protective mother , not being listened to( apart from petty one upmanship purposes) and a self obsessed screeching ,drama queen, who was also clearly NOT ANNOYED by the noms LOL. It must have been pretty embarrassing for Charlie. She is 26 not a toddler. Jeremiah I think has now guaranteed her exit and if that was what they have had to put up with for over a week I am not surprised she is up for eviction.:sleep:

[Niamh.]

hmm I'm not convinced that would be the best thing for Charlie, on the one hand we're all supposed to be up in arms because Hazel was offended and shown on national TV that she may or may not have had some involvement in a suicide, yet when Charlie's life and medical history are splashed all over our screens, we are supposed to think it's all fine because it's her mother who does it..? I don't buy that.

I don't think "we're all supposed to be up in arms" about what Charlie said

[Kizzy]

If they took I out of the dictionary Jemima would have NOTHING to talk about.

[the truth]

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

[Niamh.]

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

Oh For Gods sake, can you leave the sexism behind you for once please? It's getting really old now.

[Kizzy]

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

Even this you make a sexist issue?....

[the truth]

Even this you make a sexist issue?....

the behaviour of the women has made it an issue not me. Theyre a disgrace.

[the truth]

Oh For Gods sake, can you leave the sexism behind you for once please? It's getting really old now.

Yes it is getting old lets hope these women can learn to behave better.

[Niamh.]

Yes it is getting old lets hope these women can learn to behave better.

:bored: you really need to start looking at people as individuals and stop putting them in boxes according to their gender.

[Ammi]

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

..modern women..?..this is how some people behave, whether they are male or female..it's a reality TV show and they choose people who they think will create interest with their personalities regardless of their gender..sometimes the arguments/conflict is with females and sometimes it's equally with males...'modern males', I guess you would call them...

[fruit_cake]

this thread probably needs to get back on topic seems to me

[armand.kay]

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?
:laugh:

[Ammi]

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

..oh, I should also say that I've never heard females 'scoring points' over a death either on TV or in real life either...it's not that it's a specific female thing it was just a situation that escalated for whatever reason and had nothing to do with gender...I've also never known a female use a freezer as a toilet on TV either as Jay did..bad behaviour is not gender specific...

[aman201]

I loved when Dan screamed "SHES NOT DEAD THOUGH, SHES ALIVE"

Great tv.

[Vanessa]

I loved when Dan screamed "SHES NOT DEAD THOUGH, SHES ALIVE"

Great tv.

He was so right. :hugesmile:

[Marsh.]

Charlie's Nan dying didn't have anything to do with the conversation? Just because the convo was about Charlie doesn't mean Jackie needed to bring up that. People just don't like Jemima, that's all it is.

No. Jemima was having digs at Charlie to try and get a reaction. Jackie just responded to explain that Charlie is a bit immature/naive for her age and doesn't think before she speaks, and is only now going through her "growing up phase" or whatever. The nan dying comment was just that a passing comment to illustrate some of the things that has caused that.

Jemima then turns it around into who's been through the most in their life, when that wasn't what the conversation was about. Jackie wasn't sat there saying Charlie has gone through the most out of everyone in the house, or that she is the most damaged person in the world. She was simply trying to explain this one individual's behaviour, in this one incident because this person who it didn't have anything to do with was flapping her gums.

Jemima was spoiling for some kind of argument because she said she'd do anything to stay in the house and the Charlie/Hazel thing was the current topic. Then exposed her true intentions when it suddenly became all about herself. Give the girl her own spotlight.

[thom_bombadil]

That is not death.

It's not 'death', but if she stopped breathing she was technically dead.

[Marsh.]

It's not 'death', but if she stopped breathing she was technically dead.

Technically, no she wasn't. Death occurs several minutes after you stop breathing and your heart stops beating. Her daughter was revived and therefore saved from death. She didn't die.

The closest you could call it is a "near death" incident, but that doesn't translate to "MY DAUGHTER DIED".

[Razor]

Jemima is a stupid self centred cow and needs a reality check.

[anne666]

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?
Men would never be capable of such low behaviour LOL. All the women? By all do you mean all the women in the audience or THE women asked the question? I don't remember a man being asked his opinion so your statement is invalid.Merely a sweeping sexist statement. Poll both sexes on here why don't you.That at least would be a basis for some real statistics.

[fingers]

Technically, no she wasn't. Death occurs several minutes after you stop breathing and your heart stops beating. Her daughter was revived and therefore saved from death. She didn't die.

The closest you could call it is a "near death" incident, but that doesn't translate to "MY DAUGHTER DIED".

She almost had to have her arm twisted to admit that the child was resuscitated, All the housemates were aghast believing that the child had DIED.

[optimisticcynic]

Stopping breathing is not death. Jemima's daughter could not have been proclaimed dead as Jemima told the world that she touched "her stomach" to resuscitate her and she gasped, suggesting noone medically trained was even present. Jemima claims her child died, and I would be loathe to take her word at face value. She is an eejit. On a side note, why was the ??botox advert woman claiming that numerology and astrology are branches of "science" on BBOTS?

[anne666]

Jemima is nuts.

[Livia]

I suspect if anyone here had a loved one stop breathing, or their heart stopped and they needed CPR... they'd be a little less concerned with the dictionary definition of 'death'.

Having said that, Jemima is clearly a screaming attention-seeker.

[fingers]

I suspect if anyone here had a loved one stop breathing, or their heart stopped and they needed CPR... they'd be a little less concerned with the dictionary definition of 'death'.

Having said that, Jemima is clearly a screaming attention-seeker.
Kinda agree, the initial shock would be they're dead! however in retelling it years later one might say "I thought my daughter had died" or "I thought my daughter was dead" but that doesn't make for a good, dramatic, attention getter":joker:

[Jesus.]

We're all partially dead.

[Chuckyegg]

Yes you can. No you can't. Hope this helps.