What's with the massively OTT reaction to the the twist?

[Me. I Am Salman]

I see people calling for a boycott just because of the noms twist, and thinking immediately that Big Brother's trying to save Wolfy :crazy: what actually indicates that they're trying to save Wolfy? And why on earth do people think the house all of a sudden adore Wolfy and will save her?

Honestly, stop running to such random conclusions just because there's a slight chance someone you hate might be saved. The same thing seems to be happening on DS :bored: the producers will never take any of us seriously if this thing persists because they'll just assume we like to moan at everything so there's no point listening to us when they do something really dreadful & we complain.

[GiRTh]

Because its a blatant manipulation to keep Wolfy in the house. Manipulation is one of the things that ruined BB on channel 4 and it looks like 5 haven't learned from the lesson.

[karezza]

It isn't a twist - it is a fix.

[Roy Mars III]

what GiRTh said. It is an obvious fix

[Me. I Am Salman]

How :crazy: it's Dan's first time up too. There's no logic in this theory

[elliebrew]

What on earth makes people think they want to save wolf! You people make the most random conclusions out of nothing!!!

[Roy Mars III]

because Wolfy will be saved(who was 100% going)

and it's being announced after nominations

[Me. I Am Salman]

Maybe you conspiracy theorists should take into account that there's 4 people up, so maybe they're trying to narrow it down, and that makes much more sense

[fingers]

...and like I said in another thread, why should Fans and Viewers be allowed to ruin BBs mapped out Soap?

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Well it's clearly a fix they're to save Wolfie and if she is on Wednesday I'll be boycotting the show as i can't handle manipulation !!!!

[Saph]

idgi.. Wolfy is up for eviction so how are they trying to save her? :s

[Cherie]

and if Dan gets saved is it a fix to save him? it could easily go either way.

[elliebrew]

Well it's clearly a fix they're to save Wolfie and if she is on Wednesday I'll be boycotting the show as i can't handle manipulation !!!!

WHY would they wanna save wolf! seriously! it makes no sense

[Ellen]

I think Dan is more likely to stay if its an HM save but i do think it is wrong to announce after the nominations.

[Me. I Am Salman]

because Wolfy will be saved(who was 100% going)

and it's being announced after nominations

It was so obvious Wolfy was gonna be up, she annoyed loads of HMs regarding the cigarettes, so they would have known. Much more logical to assume after realising 4 people were up they wanted to introduce the twist.

[GiRTh]

What on earth makes people think they want to save wolf! You people make the most random conclusions out of nothing!!!OK ask yourself why now? Why after no twist last week we have the face to face nomination - which were announced last week - then suddenly with no announcement we wake up to find they've changed the eviction process. Then ask yourself who is more likely to be saved by the HM's?

[Josy]

Maybe you conspiracy theorists should take into account that there's 4 people up, so maybe they're trying to narrow it down, and that makes much more sense

Yes because they would normally do stuff like this to save the public from spending more money on voting....

Not usually one for shouting fix but there's something not right with this twist.

I'm not saying it's to save Wolfy though because I think theres a good chance Dan will be saved.

[elliebrew]

OK ask yourself why now? Why after no twist last week we have the face to face nomination - which were announced last week - then suddenly with no announcement we wake up to find they've changed the eviction process. Then ask yourself who is more likely to be saved by the HM's?

again! Why would they save wolf! What makes her so special!?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Well it's clearly a fix they're to save Wolfie and if she is on Wednesday I'll be boycotting the show as i can't handle manipulation !!!!

I'm sure that'll have a huge effect on ratings. You don't even have a BARB box I bet

[vortex]

We will see but so far it's pretty obvious Wolfy's gonna be saved also why the need to do this twist out of the blue? just let the public choose between the 4 options, whoever gets the most to be evicted is out, the twist is unnecessary and it reeks of fix.

[GiRTh]

again! Why would they save wolf! What makes her so special!?I don't know maybe she's mole, maybe they like her earth mother nonsense but to change the rule with absolutely no warning smells like a fix.

[Me. I Am Salman]

again! Why would they save wolf! What makes her so special!?

I see it as people being bitter they won't get their way. Really childish

[Kazanne]

I see people calling for a boycott just because of the noms twist, and thinking immediately that Big Brother's trying to save Wolfy :crazy: what actually indicates that they're trying to save Wolfy? And why on earth do people think the house all of a sudden adore Wolfy and will save her?

Honestly, stop running to such random conclusions just because there's a slight chance someone you hate might be saved. The same thing seems to be happening on DS :bored: the producers will never take any of us seriously if this thing persists because they'll just assume we like to moan at everything so there's no point listening to us when they do something really dreadful & we complain.

Well WE are supposed to decide Salman,obviously it's BB that decides,the housemates nominated 4 so 4 should be up if it's a fair playing field.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

I'm sure that'll have a huge effect on ratings. You don't even have a BARB box I bet

I don't care if it has an effect on ratings im boycotting it if Wolfie is saved !!! the only chance we had to evict Wolfie and it could be taken away from us ashameful.... :nono:

[elliebrew]

I see it as people being bitter they won't get their way. Really childish

Same here. TBH id rather Dan go anyway

[Josy]

I see it as people being bitter they won't get their way. Really childish

Or people think theres something funny after waiting for housemates they want to vote out to get nominated the chance to get rid is then taken away from them?

[elliebrew]

I don't care if it has an effect on ratings im boycotting it if Wolfie is saved !!! the only chance we had to evict Wolfie and it could be taken away from us ashameful.... :nono:

ITS ONLY WEEK 3 there will be plenty of opportunities to evict Wolfy!

[Me. I Am Salman]

Or people think theres something funny after waiting for housemates they want to vote out to get nominated the chance to get rid is then taken away from them?

I can sort of understand if people may speculate something shady is going on, but specifically getting wound up because they think it's about Wolfy makes no sense at all. It's not like she's getting a good edit and it's not like the house love her. Have people forgot the whole cigarette thing?

[Glenn.]

I don't vote so it doesn't really bother me tbh

[GiRTh]

Or people think theres something funny after waiting for housemates they want to vote out to get nominated the chance to get rid is then taken away from them?This. They're interfering with the process.

[Kazanne]

I don't care if it has an effect on ratings im boycotting it if Wolfie is saved !!! the only chance we had to evict Wolfie and it could be taken away from us ashameful.... :nono:

Well if more people follow that example it COULD make a difference,if she gets saved this time she may well make it into the final,she seems cocksure she will anyway, maybe she knows something we don't.

[Me. I Am Salman]

This. They're interfering with the process.

That's a completely different argument

[fingers]

It would have been simpler to just stick to letting the public decide, by having ONE or TWO saved on Wednesday by the least number of PUBLIC votes!

[karezza]

The producers are morons. We want Wolfy out.

[smeagol]

its a conspiracy salman works for bb lol and is part of the conspiracy to thow us of guard they want the preciousss

[elliebrew]

The producers are morons. We want Wolfy out.

I actually want Dan out tbh

[Roy Mars III]

I really hope this doesn't become the nom. That if there are more than 3 housemates up, the house gets to save someone

[Me. I Am Salman]

The producers are morons. We want Wolfy out.

I don't want any 4 to go but if I had to choose I'd say Wolfy as I think the other three are more entertaining. So yes I will be mad if Wolfy is saved. I won't yell fix though.

[fingers]

Of course, it could just be that the producers are simply trying to whip up controversy to prop up a dying concept?

[GiRTh]

That's a completely different argumentNot really. c5 has already established a procedure of three HM's being up and one being saved by the public. Now there are 4 why is it not 2 saved by the public? As far as I'm concerned the HM's have decided who they don't want by nominating them they should have no further say on who stays.

[Josy]

Not really. c5 has already established a procedure of three HM's being up and one being saved by the public. Now there are 4 why is it not 2 saved by the public? As far as I'm concerned the HM's have decided who they don't want by nominating them they should have no further say on who stays.

:worship:


They will soon need to change the catchphrase to "Who goes? You decide sometimes when we want you to"

[Me. I Am Salman]

Not really. c5 has already established a procedure of three HM's being up and one being saved by the public. Now there are 4 why is it not 2 saved by the public? As far as I'm concerned the HM's have decided who they don't want by nominating them they should have no further say on who stays.

Arguing the public should have complete control over eviction and arguing Wolfy is the golden girl the producers want to save is a different argument though. That's not what I started the thread for

[sampvt]

Years ago when BB was pulling 5 mil plus the prods decided to mess with the programs voting ethos. It resulted in people regarding the show as a soap opera with the prods at the helm of all the drama and it lost its appeal.

Now the show is teetering just over 1 mil, they still cant keep their noses out. Its a reality show with real situations, not manipulated for the companies financial coffers. If they want to shock us all with twists, then make the show a no vote scenario because the more we spend, the more they make a fool of us.

After all, over 4,000,000 people have voted with their feet and it wont be long before this series is consigned to the bin. Messing with the ethos of BB is like messing with the minds of its viewers. Most people think this will be the one and only chance to get rid of Wolfy and they don't want BB to mess that up.

[GiRTh]

Arguing the public should have complete control over eviction and arguing Wolfy is the golden girl the producers want to save is a different argument though. That's not what I started the thread for Golden girl Wolfy is not too illogical a thought. I keep asking the question why have they changed the procedure to let the HM' choose?. There must be a reason. I look at the odds, I look at who hated and see Wolfy is fave to go out and top of most hated polls. Then I think who are the HM's likely to save. Given the way she's been lately and in particular ridiculously accusing Dan of bullying her Wolfy. Then I ask who else has Dan p*ssed off, I remember the argument he had with one of the twins and other HM's accusing him of being patronising and Bingo, looks like Dan is probably a goner so they're looking to save Wolfy. There is no reason to let the HM's choose who to save unless BB is betting they're gonna save a particular HM. And , that is what everyone is objecting to.

[GiRTh]

:worship:


They will soon need to change the catchphrase to "Who goes? You decide sometimes when we want you to":joker:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Just go by yesterday's noms, no reason to think so deeply. Wolfy got the most along with Dexter which is a big indication she won't be saved

[Josy]

Just go by yesterday's noms, no reason to think so deeply. Wolfy got the most along with Dexter which is a big indication she won't be saved

Dexter 10 Gina 4 Wolfy and Dan 2 each.

[smeagol]

dont worry bb will fix it so she wins 50k soon then leaves. like that did with conor.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Dexter 10 Gina 4 Wolfy and Dan 2 each.

Oh LMAO

[Me. I Am Salman]

Still doesnt mean Wolfy is the producers golden girl

[sampvt]

The prods think that the public are stupid and we cant do the right thing. What they actually mean is that they want more money by keeping the voters stirred up so we vote and give them loads of dosh. If Wolfy goes, the ethos of the house will revert back to a game playing show like with Aaron and they cant let that happen.

They will hope that the HM,s will save Wolfy and if they do, dan will be safe and Dexter and gina will be offered as the sacrificial lambs. Gina would beat Dexter but the prods wont cry over that as his storyline is getting old hat so he is expendable.

Personally I will keep watching but I think the show will loose a lot of interest this year.

[Jordan.]

What would the producers gain out of fixing it to save the current most hated housemate? :crazy:

[Kate!]

I hate this twist. Wolfy has been piling on the emotional blackmail and it is almost a foregone conclusion the housemates will save her :rolleyes: It should stay as it is, four of them up. We decide.

[sampvt]

What would the producers gain out of fixing it to save the current most hated housemate? :crazy:

Simple answer....future storylines....do you need any more info or will that do.

BTW the loco thingy is not necessary to emphasise your point. words are better and less patronising.

[Jordan.]

Simple answer....future storylines....do you need any more info or will that do.

Because Dan, Gina and Dexter have nothing at all to offer?

[Vicky.]

The problem with these twists..is time and time again..they seem to come AFTER the producers know who is up. And as such it makes it look like a 'fix'

Even moreso this time when Wolfy was almost a dead cert to be evicted, and now is most likely to be saved by the HMs.

[sampvt]

Because Dan, Gina and Dexter have nothing at all to offer?

Your logic sucks bearing in mind that Wolfy got numerous posters blood boiling last night and is thee most hated HM so they want her there to stri it up. Dan is a big girl and has only bitching in his arsenal, Gina cant function as a bitch devoid of booze and Dexters days and storyline are getting rusty.

So you think Wolfy has nothing to offer eh, sad as I used to respect your views Jordan.

[Jordan.]

Your logic sucks bearing in mind that Wolfy got numerous posters blood boiling last night and is thee most hated HM so they want her there to stri it up. Dan is a big girl and has only bitching in his arsenal, Gina cant function as a bitch devoid of booze and Dexters days and storyline are getting rusty.

So you think Wolfy has nothing to offer eh, sad as I used to respect your views Jordan.

If you think Wolfy has so much to offer to the show why are you whining it's a fix? Just be happy the producers are keeping the entertainment in that case.

[Brother Leon]

The twist is **** when you have someone hated by pretty much everyone and another person hated by about half the HMs always facing eviction. If anything make a twist taking the power away from the pack.

[MTVN]

There is no reason for them to want to keep Wolfy in over the others, plus they have been portraying her horribly in the highlights last few nights so it's not like she is being given a favourable edit, not to mention that in every other series Wolfy wouldn't even have been up and it's only because of how they've changed it that she's facing eviction anyway

Nominations were live for us all to see last night, do people really think that they originally planned to open the lines and everything immediately but then went in to a mad rush to try and cook up a twist to save Wolfy for no apparent reason? Or is it more likely that they had always planned to do this anyway?

[DanielLuis]

Well it's clearly a fix they're to save Wolfie and if she is on Wednesday I'll be boycotting the show as i can't handle manipulation !!!!

To be honest if it was a twist to save Dexter you wouldn't boycott the show :idc:

[Chris82]

There is no reason for them to want to keep Wolfy in over the others, plus they have been portraying her horribly in the highlights last few nights so it's not like she is being given a favourable edit, not to mention that in every other series Wolfy wouldn't even have been up and it's only because of how they've changed it that she's facing eviction anyway

Nominations were live for us all to see last night, do people really think that they originally planned to open the lines and everything immediately but then went in to a mad rush to try and cook up a twist to save Wolfy for no apparent reason? Or is it more likely that they had always planned to do this anyway?

If it had been planned already it would have been announced on BOTS.

[GiRTh]

If it had been planned already it would have been announced on BOTS.Agree.

Also, whats the format for the save? Do the HM's decide amongst themselves and agree who to save or do they go round them individually each picking their HM to save? If they go individually there might be a tie. What do we do in the event of a tie? Are the nominate HM's exempt or do they get a say in who's saved? Too many questions need answering and if they had the answers the whole thing it would have been announced ages ago. They're doing this one the fly for sure.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

To be honest if it was a twist to save Dexter you wouldn't boycott the show :idc:

Would you be saying the same if Gina is evicted and wolfie gets saved by them on wednesday? i think i know the answer exactly..... :bawling:

[joeysteele]

Well from my own angle and I do see your point Salman completely,I also agree that Dan could be saved over Wolfy or maybe even Gina.
I cannot guess who the housemates may choose so I accept all that.

However, I prefer having the housemates nominate, BB decides sets the rules as to whether its a min 2 or min 3 housemates up for eviction and then we the public take over and evict one of however many are up that week.

I hate manipulation in any way.
I hate the nomination process being meddled with but I hate even more the meddling with the eviction procedure too, especially after the housemates have nominated and BB have already declared who would be up for eviction as they did last night.

Even more to my dislike is the freezing of the lines ona wednesday and this further rumoured twist makes that all the more distasteful.
The ask the housemates to nominate face to face as to who they wnat out, then they ask the same housemates to change their minds and save one, not even giving the public a say.

That is what to me, is wrong with this twist,no matter who is saved.
I don't hate Wolfy, or Dexter, Gina and certainly not Dan but I would be saying all this still even if Dan was the one to get saved by this twist.

Just why can they not leave nominations and evictions alone.
If they are going to alter the nominations made by this twist and a housemate is then taken out of the process with no public voting at all, then why even bother to do nominations in the first place.

It stinks quite frankly,really rotten too and they are ruining a rather good series by such 'engineering' as I call it.

[Bluerang1]

There is no reason for them to want to keep Wolfy in over the others, plus they have been portraying her horribly in the highlights last few nights so it's not like she is being given a favourable edit, not to mention that in every other series Wolfy wouldn't even have been up and it's only because of how they've changed it that she's facing eviction anyway

Nominations were live for us all to see last night, do people really think that they originally planned to open the lines and everything immediately but then went in to a mad rush to try and cook up a twist to save Wolfy for no apparent reason? Or is it more likely that they had always planned to do this anyway?

The crying about being bullied made me feel bad for her, and I'm sure many casual vote-happy viewers felt the same. The whole arrogant "I will be saved" thing however will be view negatively if aired on the main show.

[sampvt]

If you think Wolfy has so much to offer to the show why are you whining it's a fix? Just be happy the producers are keeping the entertainment in that case.

Babies whine, grown men like me join forums like this to voice opinions which are either accepted or declined by other posters and healthy debate is entered into. Sadly some of those posters think they are the morality police and decline to accept anyone's point of view bar their own. (If the cap fits)

If you took time to read my post, you would have noticed that the primary WHINE as you put it, was nothing to do with who is or is not interesting, but was pointed squarely at the producers meddling in the ethos of the show by offering Wolfy a get out clause.

Like all the other cash paying voters and supporters of the show, I reserve the right to choose my target and this week I wanted Wolfy to suffer due to her actions but it looks like BB have stripped me of that choice by changing the goalposts mid game. That my learned friend is not playing cricket.

[elliebrew]

Well from my own angle and I do see your point Salman completely,I also agree that Dan could be saved over Wolfy or maybe even Gina.
I cannot guess who the housemates may choose so I accept all that.

However, I prefer having the housemates nominate, BB decides sets the rules as to whether its a min 2 or min 3 housemates up for eviction and then we the public take over and evict one of however many are up that week.

I hate manipulation in any way.
I hate the nomination process being meddled with but I hate even more the meddling with the eviction procedure too, especially after the housemates have nominated and BB have already declared who would be up for eviction as they did last night.

Even more to my dislike is the freezing of the lines ona wednesday and this further rumoured twist makes that all the more distasteful.
The ask the housemates to nominate face to face as to who they wnat out, then they ask the same housemates to change their minds and save one, not even giving the public a say.

That is what to me, is wrong with this twist,no matter who is saved.
I don't hate Wolfy, or Dexter, Gina and certainly not Dan but I would be saying all this still even if Dan was the one to get saved by this twist.

Just why can they not leave nominations and evictions alone.
If they are going to alter the nominations made by this twist and a housemate is then taken out of the process with no public voting at all, then why even bother to do nominations in the first place.

It stinks quite frankly,really rotten too and they are ruining a rather good series by such 'engineering' as I call it.

The entire poit of the game is nominations an evictions

ANY an EVERY twist will affect nominations or evictions in some way

It's always been the nature of the game.

I love a twist o proceedings. It breaks up the weeks and allows people who wouldn't ordinarily be in the firing line to be potentially evicted.

[joeysteele]

The entire poit of the game is nominations an evictions

ANY an EVERY twist will affect nominations or evictions in some way

It's always been the nature of the game.

I love a twist o proceedings. It breaks up the weeks and allows people who wouldn't ordinarily be in the firing line to be potentially evicted.

That is your view and fine, I respect all that.

I have my thoughts and view too and this announcement coming after the noms were done is distasteful in my view and clearly to a good many other people on the forum too.

I am trying very hard to,maybe you could help or tell me, when though did they ever do a twist that involved the housemates being asked to nominate and change their minds as to one who they nominated and save them from being up for eviction though.
I see absolutely no point in that whatsoever,as a twist or otherwise.

For me it seems 'odd' but to you it is fine.

[Jordan.]

Babies whine, grown men like me join forums like this to voice opinions which are either accepted or declined by other posters and healthy debate is entered into. Sadly some of those posters think they are the morality police and decline to accept anyone's point of view bar their own. (If the cap fits)

If you took time to read my post, you would have noticed that the primary WHINE as you put it, was nothing to do with who is or is not interesting, but was pointed squarely at the producers meddling in the ethos of the show by offering Wolfy a get out clause.

Like all the other cash paying voters and supporters of the show, I reserve the right to choose my target and this week I wanted Wolfy to suffer due to her actions but it looks like BB have stripped me of that choice by changing the goalposts mid game. That my learned friend is not playing cricket.

That's fair enough to be annoyed at them for messing with the nominations but I don't agree with people saying it's fixed just to save Wolfy when there's no reason for her to stay over the other 3 + it isn't even guaranteed she'll be the one saved :shrug:

[sampvt]

In the past we have had loads more HM,s up. Why all of a sudden are they letting one be saved. Doesn't gain any reasoning for me. Its a pure kink by BB to allow BB to control the flow of the show. Not something their track record shows as being the best of ideas. Let the dam show flow at its own rate. Everything they touch falls apart, tossers.

[Nedusa]

The twist is **** when you have someone hated by pretty much everyone and another person hated by about half the HMs always facing eviction. If anything make a twist taking the power away from the pack.

I agree, last minute twists have to be to the detriment of the group not giving them the power to change the balance of HM in an instant. This is not BB logic and serves no one and REALLY winds up the viewing public so please STOP these stupid twists...

[joeysteele]

I agree, last minute twists have to be to the detriment of the group not giving them the power to change the balance of HM in an instant. This is not BB logic and serves no one and REALLY winds up the viewing public so please STOP these stupid twists...

Absolutely, well said Nedusa.

[Visage]

What is the twist?

I'm looking but obviously not in the right places.

Was something mentioned on last night's BOTS?

As far as I know, it's four up for eviction.

[GiRTh]

What is the twist?

I'm looking but obviously not in the right places.

Was something mentioned on last night's BOTS?

As far as I know, it's four up for eviction.
One of the four is to be saved by the Hm's in tomorrows show.

[Visage]

One of the four is to be saved by the Hm's in tomorrows show.

Thanks.

Was it mentioned on BOTS?

[GiRTh]

Thanks.

Was it mentioned on BOTS?
No. Thats why the outrage. Looks like they decided to do this after they found out who was nominated.

[Visage]

No. Thats why the outrage. Looks like they decided to do this after they found out who was nominated.

Okay thanks.

It does seem a bit odd, when you think the nominations have been acknowledged.

I turned off BOTS last night after 10 minutes (I'm struggling with the show this year) and wondered if they put the phone numbers up for all four.

I guess they didn't otherwise they couldn't take the votes if one of them is going to be saved.

[joeysteele]

They will have a bbbots audience tonight all likely primed up to say the twist is fantastic and the daft people dealing with twitter at the end of bbbots only selecting the ones that agree it is a good idea.
Phone calls also likely only selected if they are in favour of it too.