Hazel "I was terrified!" [MERGED]

[GiRTh]

On BOTS just now to Dan. What do we think?

Dan - You were scared?

Hazel - I was terrified.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Oh hellz no!!

Get Hazel out. :bawling: She's going to play the innocent card now, and I definitely saw the abusive signs in him card. :bawling:

[Beso]

She looked it to me.

[cookiemonster]

yeh, i bet she was. why is there any disputing that?

[Benjamin]

Oh hellz no!!

Get Hazel out. :bawling: She's going to play the innocent card now, and I definitely saw the abusive signs in him card. :bawling:

I know. :mad:

[smeagol]

could tell she was when she sat over side of the room. and dan said what u doin over there. he knew it

[GiRTh]

I started a thread on this but mines less biased :joker:

[Kazanne]

Oh hellz no!!

Get Hazel out. :bawling: She's going to play the innocent card now, and I definitely saw the abusive signs in him card. :bawling:

If she was terrified ,she hid it well!!!

[Marsh.]

She clearly looked it too. Getting straight off the bed and leaping to the other side of the room illustrates that.

[Jords]

She was clearly scared when he grabbed her around the neck, when he was called into the DR she went and sat on the chair the furthest spot away from him.

[reece(:]

I thought she was scared but was trying not to show it.

[GypsyGoth]

I was scared just watching it.

His head was very close to her when he jerked it towards her face. He didn't miss by much.

[serensilver]

wouldn't you be too!

[Johnnyuk123]

Didn't Dan say the same when Hazel rested her boobs on his head?

[Patricia4]

She maybe was scared but she is now going to play on it to stay in.

[CaudleHalbard]

Again I would use the analogy of a person poking at a pit-bull with a stick..........

.......... and then getting "terrified" at its reaction.

What a stupid cow! The entire incident was caused by Hazel's lust. She couldn't leave the knucklehead alone and there was an almost predictable reaction.

[Jordan.]

LOL she's so playing on it. Good for her though atleast she's becoming far more interesting and memorable than most models on BB.

[rusticgal]

What Daley did was unforgivable and he deserved to go....however Hazel goaded him all the way knowing that she was safe... her reactions to Daley did not come from a women that was afraid....jumping on the couch after Daley was called to the diary room was an afterthought.... she is evil and had a part to play in the evenings activities.

[Jamie585]

Of course she was scared!!!!!! How could you not be, she just tried to hide it, but feels comfortable enough with Dan to tell him the truth.

[Jords]

I hope she doesnt manipulate the situation, thats not fair in the slightest.

[user104658]

I think she was very scared by the time he was called away, but it's disappointing that she's now claiming he was being aggressive to scare her on purpose. From what she said in the DR both at the time and when getting her own warning, she knew that it was just something that had gone too far and that he hadn't realised she was scared. She should say the same to the other housemates but it sounds like she's now going to attempt to use it...

[rusticgal]

Every time he threatened her...she returned the threat up until the 'little girl' comment and what happened after.
Daley was extremely scary but she goaded him....any normal person would have stepped out of the room before that. She knew she was safe because of where she was...it was only when he got called to the DR that she ran to the chair in 'victim' like fashion.

She played a big part of what happened.

[rionablue]

Every time he threatened her...she returned the threat up until the 'little girl' comment and what happened after.
Daley was extremely scary but she goaded him....any normal person would have stepped out of the room before that. She knew she was safe because of where she was...it was only when he got called to the DR that she ran to the chair in 'victim' like fashion.

She played a big part of what happened.

She never for a minute realised he was serious. She thought he was just play acting even thought what he said was disgusting. Nobody can defend what Daley did and even though Hazel is a flirt etc she CANNOT be said to be playing a big part in what happened

[kefln]

I dont care how you feel about Hazel, but blaming her for this, is just wrong/sick/crazy.

Yes she was flirting, yes she was looking for attention, maybe she was looking for a little bed action, but she wasnt looking/expecting what happened.

It all went wrong from the point that daley stood on the bed, in a dominate pose, calling her a mother******, then telling her to respect him, then holding her by the throat and throwing her a headbutt.

The sooner BB called him to the diaryroom, she fled to the chair.

Hazels conflict of interest was plain to see. Daley is/was her friend, his change was so extreme that she didnt know how to react. She was in shock.


And I am in shock over peoples reactions. Listening to the callers BBBOTS a lot of the blame was being dropped on hazels lap. Which is twisted. When does slapping a guy on the arse equate to being threatened with a headbutt? When does pulling someones pants down, in the dark, whike laughing, equal being grabbed by the throat?

It reminds me of girls wearing short skirts being blamed for inappropriate reactions by men.

[anne666]

She never for a minute realised he was serious. She thought he was just play acting even thought what he said was disgusting. Nobody can defend what Daley did and even though Hazel is a flirt etc she CANNOT be said to be playing a big part in what happened

This

[Benjamin]

If she was so terrified why did she sleep in the same room as him for the rest of the night?

[reece(:]

She wasn't permitted to leave the safe house and I thought she didn't want to show herself as weak willed.

[jackc1806]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/16/article-2364715-1AD4B583000005DC-756_638x494.jpg

Don't blame her

[Nia-96]

I do think she was provoking a reaction from him, by pulling down his trousers, however that does not justify the way he reacted. I do also think she was genuinely scared, and I don't think she was expecting what happened.

[rusticgal]

She never for a minute realised he was serious. She thought he was just play acting even thought what he said was disgusting. Nobody can defend what Daley did and even though Hazel is a flirt etc she CANNOT be said to be playing a big part in what happened

I will make it clear I am not defending Daley....he was vile and it was completely right for him to go. However Hazel is a teaser....she pushed him and goaded him returning his threats on two occassions... She said she didnt fear 'aggressive' men like him which meant she had recognised his aggression was for real....that was when she should have got out....not cuddled him later saying 'he didnt do anything wrong'...

[CaudleHalbard]

If she was so terrified why did she sleep in the same room as him for the rest of the night?

Or indeed in the same bed!

Funny way of showing her "terror". ;)

[boomoo]

I dont care how you feel about Hazel, but blaming her for this, is just wrong/sick/crazy.

Yes she was flirting, yes she was looking for attention, maybe she was looking for a little bed action, but she wasnt looking/expecting what happened.

It all went wrong from the point that daley stood on the bed, in a dominate pose, calling her a mother******, then telling her to respect him, then holding her by the throat and throwing her a headbutt.

The sooner BB called him to the diaryroom, she fled to the chair.

Hazels conflict of interest was plain to see. Daley is/was her friend, his change was so extreme that she didnt know how to react. She was in shock.


And I am in shock over peoples reactions. Listening to the callers BBBOTS a lot of the blame was being dropped on hazels lap. Which is twisted. When does slapping a guy on the arse equate to being threatened with a headbutt? When does pulling someones pants down, in the dark, whike laughing, equal being grabbed by the throat?

It reminds me of girls wearing short skirts being blamed for inappropriate reactions by men.

What went wrong was Hazel pushing a man she knew nothing about, If Hazel had been playful in this way with any number of the men that I know she would have been safe because they would have given her a wide berth from the start and would never hit a woman. The slap was one thing but the hand on the throat was unacceptable especially as the papers have recently been full of such an action.
Hazel was also warned because she was part of what happened and most of the time she was laughing. BB should have thrown her out to teach young girls to more careful in what they do. Hazel was lucky she was in the BB house.

[YodaBB]

I was scared watching it! And I cannot stand Hazel, but being in that situation I would be so scared too tbh. After she was obviously panicked despite what she said, she wasn't exactly going to say, "You completely offended & scared me" to a lunatic

[rionablue]

Again I would use the analogy of a person poking at a pit-bull with a stick..........

.......... and then getting "terrified" at its reaction.

What a stupid cow! The entire incident was caused by Hazel's lust. She couldn't leave the knucklehead alone and there was an almost predictable reaction.

Thats a dreadful thing to say. Nothing can justify Daleys actions no matter how much teasing or flirting went on. She thought he was being jokey but when she realised he was serious the look on her face and her body language showed just how afraid she was getting

[CaudleHalbard]

Hazel's terror was an afterthought.

If she was truly terrified she would have asked BB to move her (or Daley) out of the safe house.

Did she do that? Er no, she snuggled up with him in bed after the "terrifying" incident!

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee, as they say! ;)

[smudgie]

Hazel's terror was an afterthought.

If she was truly terrified she would have asked BB to move her (or Daley) out of the safe house.

Did she do that? Er no, she snuggled up with him in bed after the "terrifying" incident!

Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee, as they say! ;)

How do we the public know where either of them slept last night. Do we even know what time Daley was removed. I have no idea myself.

[armand.kay]

I wold be scared too if he had his hand around my ****ing neck, Jesus.

[armand.kay]

God not everything housemates do is a strategical move to win, ****ing hell.

[swinearefine]

Obviously she was scared :bored: I'm sure the last thing on her mind when he had his hand around her throat was manipulating the situation, and to suggest that it was is absolutely disgusting. She was playing along until he started becoming aggressive, and you can tell she was scared and confused at that point. I can't stand Hazel but I honestly can't believe all the **** she's getting from this.

[Loukas]

She was clearly scared and i felt extremely uncomfortable watching it. I don't like Hazel but she obviously didn't deserve to be treated the way she was, even though she wound him up. I don't understand why she wanted to stay in the same room with him, if that happened to me i just wouldn't be able to sleep.
However now i do have a feeling she's going to play the victim and act completely innocent even though she wound him up.

[MTVN]

You could tell she was really scared whole way through, first backing right up to the end of the bed looking quite taken aback and then moving to sit on that chair when BB intervened, her laughing and 'play fighting' I think was more a way of trying to diffuse the situation and calm him down because he was obviously being pretty threatening

[armand.kay]

You could tell she was really scared whole way through, first backing right up to the end of the bed looking quite taken aback and then moving to sit on that chair when BB intervened, her laughing and 'play fighting' I think was more a way of trying to diffuse the situation and calm him down because he was obviously being pretty threatening
Exactly this.

[Benjamin]

I will make it clear I am not defending Daley....he was vile and it was completely right for him to go. However Hazel is a teaser....she pushed him and goaded him returning his threats on two occassions... She said she didnt fear 'aggressive' men like him which meant she had recognised his aggression was for real....that was when she should have got out....not cuddled him later saying 'he didnt do anything wrong'...

Or indeed in the same bed!

Funny way of showing her "terror". ;)

Glad to see I'm not the only person with this thinking.

[Rob!]

sorry but if this had happened to Gina people wouldn't be saying that she was a liar. Anyone who is needs to separate their views on Hazel as a housemate and their views on what happened in that house last night. Hazel was terrified. She looked it, she acted it. I believe her - I don't agree with what she did in regards to the relationship with Daley but this is a completely sepearate matter and people need to realise that.

[Benjamin]

sorry but if this had happened to Gina people wouldn't be saying that she was a liar. Anyone who is needs to separate their views on Hazel as a housemate and their views on what happened in that house last night. Hazel was terrified. She looked it, she acted it. I believe her - I don't agree with what she did in regards to the relationship with Daley but this is a completely sepearate matter and people need to realise that.

But if she was so terrified why did she not sleep elsewhere. BB would have let her if she was that scared. Also as CaudleHalbard pointed out, she went back into the same bed as him. Sorry but something doesn't sit right with this story.

Please don't think I want Daley to stay, his ejection was justified, but she played up to the whole thing.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Hazel on LF just now: "I can't believe Daley's gone, I'm so disappointed."

[MTVN]

Maybe she just stayed there as a way of keeping the peace and not wanting to exacerbate the whole situation in the middle of the night when everyone had been drinking quite a bit? Or she didn't want to show herself as powerless or whatever? Who knows really, but I don't think it's that important anyway, fact is she was obviously scared at the time and Daley's behaviour was pretty threatening, don't think it's really fair for Hazel's actions to be the ones under scrutiny

[GypsyGoth]

In the moment he tried to headbutt her face, she was terrified. She knew then things had gotten out of control and he was like a different person. BB called him to the DR the moment he put her in danger.

After he had calmed down, the lead up to the situation wasn't going to repeat itself. The danger had passed and he was like his normal self again. But that doesn't diminish the fact that she was terrified in that moment.

[Benjamin]

Maybe she just stayed there as a way of keeping the peace and not wanting to exacerbate the whole situation in the middle of the night when everyone had been drinking quite a bit? Who knows really, but I don't think it's that important anyway, fact is she was obviously scared at the time and Daley's behaviour was pretty threatening, don't think it's really fair for Hazel's actions to be the ones under scrutiny

I think it is very fair. If we are going to scrutinise the whole situation then both Daley and Hazel's actions need to be inspected.

[GypsyGoth]

don't think it's really fair for Hazel's actions to be the ones under scrutiny

:worship:

[CaudleHalbard]

don't think it's really fair for Hazel's actions to be the ones under scrutiny

What a strange comment when it was Hazel who instigated the whole thing when all Daley wanted to do is sleep.

This is not defending Daley but Hazel deserves the spotlight shone on her actions too.

In any case, Daley is out. Hazel is still in the house although it's arguable whether she deserves to be.

[Tom4784]

It's moments like these that remind me why I hate most people. I honestly do not get how people can honestly blame Hazel, I really don't like her but she did NOTHING to deserve what she got from Daley.

There's some very twisted people on here.

[MTVN]

What a strange comment when it was Hazel who instigated the whole thing when all Daley wanted to do is sleep.

This is not defending Daley but Hazel deserves the spotlight shone on her actions too.

In any case, Daley is out. Hazel is still in the house although it's arguable whether she deserves to be.

So messing around saying she wants a hug before going to sleep is now an instigator to being threatened like that?

[kefln]

What a strange comment when it was Hazel who instigated the whole thing when all Daley wanted to do is sleep.

This is not defending Daley but Hazel deserves the spotlight shone on her actions too.

In any case, Daley is out. Hazel is still in the house although it's arguable whether she deserves to be.

Hazel instigated the flirtation - in a relationship that daley started. She however was not expecting to be forced to lie down with hands on her throat.

[Marsh.]

It's moments like these that remind me why I hate most people. I honestly do not get how people can honestly blame Hazel, I really don't like her but she did NOTHING to deserve what she got from Daley.

There's some very twisted people on here.

This. I'm quite surprised tbh.

[Miranda123]

On BOTS just now to Dan. What do we think?

Dan - You were scared?

Hazel - I was terrified.

So terrified that she returned to the safe house, climbed into bed with him and cuddled him to sleep..................................

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

So terrified that she returned to the safe house, climbed into bed with him and cuddled him to sleep..................................

and daley still had no clue that afternoon that she was uncomfortable about it last night as she gave him cuddles and kisses that morning without any hint..... she must have been so shaken deary me :cat:

[GypsyGoth]

BB dropped the ball on this, a volatile guy like that should never have been let into the house. The place is meant to be a safe one to flirt with and have fun with whomever. Hazel's confidence was born out of the fact she knew there were security on the other side of the door.

Anyway trying to turn the spotlight onto her is just madness and shows how backwards this world can be at times. Was Hazel too flirtatious? So she earned a near headbutt to her face and her throat grabbed pinning her to the bed.

Daley is the one people should be focusing on and condemning for his horrid actions. What he did was wrong!

[GypsyGoth]

So terrified that she returned to the safe house, climbed into bed with him and cuddled him to sleep..................................

Here is your answer.........................................
In the moment he tried to headbutt her face, she was terrified. She knew then things had gotten out of control and he was like a different person. BB called him to the DR the moment he put her in danger.

After he had calmed down, the lead up to the situation wasn't going to repeat itself. The danger had passed and he was like his normal self again. But that doesn't diminish the fact that she was terrified in that moment.

[Jords]

I still cant believe on national TV that Daley gripped Hazel around the neck, he is mad.

Without that, it was bad roleplay, Hazel herself if I recall correctly said something about "I can handle an aggressive man" in a flirty dirty way, but that was taking 10 strides right across the line.

I dont think he would have ever hit her though.

[Jords]

In the moment he tried to headbutt her face, she was terrified. She knew then things had gotten out of control and he was like a different person. BB called him to the DR the moment he put her in danger.

After he had calmed down, the lead up to the situation wasn't going to repeat itself. The danger had passed and he was like his normal self again. But that doesn't diminish the fact that she was terrified in that moment.

Wait what?! I was unaware this happened :o

[Miranda123]

I dont care how you feel about Hazel, but blaming her for this, is just wrong/sick/crazy.

Yes she was flirting, yes she was looking for attention, maybe she was looking for a little bed action, but she wasnt looking/expecting what happened.

It all went wrong from the point that daley stood on the bed, in a dominate pose, calling her a mother******, then telling her to respect him, then holding her by the throat and throwing her a headbutt.

The sooner BB called him to the diaryroom, she fled to the chair.

Hazels conflict of interest was plain to see. Daley is/was her friend, his change was so extreme that she didnt know how to react. She was in shock.


And I am in shock over peoples reactions. Listening to the callers BBBOTS a lot of the blame was being dropped on hazels lap. Which is twisted. When does slapping a guy on the arse equate to being threatened with a headbutt? When does pulling someones pants down, in the dark, whike laughing, equal being grabbed by the throat?

It reminds me of girls wearing short skirts being blamed for inappropriate reactions by men.


i dont think anyone should condone what Daley did but there are some double standards here

Hazel has spent the last 2 weeks touching him up inappropriately and when he has asked her to back off and leave him alone (because he was getting aroused) she proceeded to touch him again and wiggle herself on his lap

I think if that had been a guy, touching a girl, who was asking not to be touched, he would have been warned off but BB wanted them to 'get it on' so they just let her continue

She should have been thrown out too is all Im saying

Him for his aggressive behaviour

Her for her sexually aggressive behaviour

[Miranda123]

She wasn't permitted to leave the safe house and I thought she didn't want to show herself as weak willed.

Oh ok, that must be it then

Big brother spoke to her in the Diary room, she told them she was scared but they forced her back into the Safe House and made her sleep with him

Yeah cause that could happen lololol



She could have requested not to go back there but went of her own accord

In fact if BB hadnt thrown him out, she'd be laying on that same bed with him tonight demanding 'hugs' and we all know what 'hugs' means

Do not say she wouldnt, cause she definetly would

[GypsyGoth]

Wait what?! I was unaware this happened :o

When he had her by the throat, he said something like - before i nut you one. And he jabbed his head slightly towards her face. She couldn't move.

BB called him to the DR at that moment.

[Jords]

When he had her by the throat, he said something like - before i nut you one. And he jabbed his head slightly towards her face. She couldn't move.

BB called him to the DR at that moment.

I didnt see him do that, Jesus Id have chucked him out right away.

[DanielLuis]

It was visible that she was a bit scared during the incident.

[Kizzy]

What a strange comment when it was Hazel who instigated the whole thing when all Daley wanted to do is sleep.

This is not defending Daley but Hazel deserves the spotlight shone on her actions too.

In any case, Daley is out. Hazel is still in the house although it's arguable whether she deserves to be.

Then why did he not say, sorry hazel I have had a lot to drink this evening an I'm tired?.....
No.... he had spent a hour keying himself up whilst she was speaking to charlie in the garden and he was left alone to pace and rant away alone, he lied swearing on his childrens lives then did some bizarre 'countdown' after which he was whipped into such a frenzy he was past any rational conversation!

[Miranda123]

How do we the public know where either of them slept last night. Do we even know what time Daley was removed. I have no idea myself.

Yes we do know she spent the night with him, not just because Daley said that they had slept together in the same bed cuddling, when he was called to be evicted but because they were woken up together this morning and he was called again to the Diary room after last nights talking to, to be evicted

[GypsyGoth]

I didnt see him do that, Jesus Id have chucked him out right away.

Go to 3:52 on this vid

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[Miranda123]

Here is your answer.........................................

OH I GET IT NOW

a guy you hardly know (but are more than eager to be alone with) uses threatening behaviour towards you and 'terrifies' you

But, wait a minute, he seems to be calming down now, what should I do

Answers:

A. Run a bleeding mile

B. Run a bleeding mile

C. Jump into bed beside him and spoon him for the rest of the evening and then wake up and kiss him and say 'Good Morning Husband'

Obviously its C..............DOH

[optimisticcynic]

Go to 3:52 on this vid

P0_PX-R4Mfo

Good spot Gypsy, but why no mention of her pretendng to headbutt him at 3:33?

[user104658]

So terrified that she returned to the safe house, climbed into bed with him and cuddled him to sleep..................................

She was scared of him during the incident - it doesn't mean that she suddenly stopped liking him or thinking that, generally, he's her friend (possibly slightly more). Christ... people stay in full on abusive relationships for years where most of the time things are good, but one (or both) people get out of hand sometimes (often with a drink in them).

So yeah... she knew the situation had been defused, she was glad to be out of it, she didn't really have time to process what had gone on but was happy to see "normal Daley" back again and wanting to cuddle up is actually quite understandable. Think of a child who is hit or verbally abused by their parent: all they want, is for their parent to "be nice again" and give them a cuddle. The incident didn't make her hate him... it just shocked her and she wanted him to "be nice again". She tries to get things back to being silly / nice / flirty during the lead up to being pinned down, but he doesnt listen until Big Brother calls him away. After they had both been to the diary room, she was just glad to have him back, I reckon.

I don't think any of it made her dislike him; she just saw a side of him that she wasn't comfortable with. I doubt she wanted to see him kicked out, either.

[GypsyGoth]

OH I GET IT NOW

a guy you hardly know (but are more than eager to be alone with) uses threatening behaviour towards you and 'terrifies' you

But, wait a minute, he seems to be calming down now, what should I do

Answers:

A. Run a bleeding mile

B. Run a bleeding mile

C. Jump into bed beside him and spoon him for the rest of the evening and then wake up and kiss him and say 'Good Morning Husband'

Obviously its C..............DOH

Her actions might not seem rational to you, but you'd have to be in a situation like that to know how you'd act, and I hope you never are. What she faced was scary and really menacing.

By keeping the focus on Hazel you're what,

A. Trying to understand her actions?

B. Deflecting others attention away his sickening behaviour?

C. Trying to justify what he did in some way?

[Jords]

Go to 3:52 on this vid

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wow I think the internet distracted me so I didnt catch that, Hazel was scared at that point definitely.

Its so confusing though, I watched that whole clip. I cant seem to find the point where things were getting nasty. I actually didnt realise that Hazel slapped Daley's arse first, but her and his return both seem like playfight and they both were laughing. Even when Hazel pulled down his shorts he was laughing and its somewhere after he got angry, at first it does seem like aggressive roleplay building up to snogging each other's faces off but that leant in headbutt no no thats scary.

[Jords]

Good spot Gypsy, but why no mention of her pretendng to headbutt him at 3:33?

Hazel was flauting herself at him wasnt a headbutt.

[GypsyGoth]

Good spot Gypsy, but why no mention of her pretendng to headbutt him at 3:33?

Thanks, and I didn't mention that because it never happened, she got into his face but never in a threatening manner.

Also you do realise he is a boxer??


Is this world gone mad? :rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

Women stay in toxic relationships because they (wrongly) take on the blame for the behaviours of their abusers... A bit like hazel here actually, you can see she's feeling guilty that daley has been ejected and may even think it's her fault due to her flirting.
Which of course is rollocks, daley is an adult with a brain he is the only person to be held accountable for his actions.

[YodaBB]

Jesus, people on the channel 5 website are all saying she should be removed as well.. :bored:

A guy pins a girl to a bed and threatens to headbutt her for not respecting him, and everyone rushes to their computers to cry outrage that she isn't also out for her behaviour. Just, wow.

And this is coming from someone who dislikes Hazel.

[GypsyGoth]

Women stay in toxic relationships because they (wrongly) take on the blame for the behaviours of their abusers... A bit like hazel here actually, you can see she's feeling guilty that daley has been ejected and may even think it's her fault due to her flirting.
Which of course is rollocks, daley is an adult with a brain he is the only person to be held accountable for his actions.

I think that's a wonderful point :worship:

Sadly it'll be lost on people here who seem to condone his behaviour.

[Roy Mars III]

it would be pretty odd if she wasn't scared, it was a scary situation for anyone to be in. It obviously started out as play fighting but Daley changed halfway through or so and got serious (even if he thought he was play fighting). There was no indication that I could see that he was joking around. I think anyone would be afraid in that situation. Daley is a big guy and who knows what he could potentially do. I know I would be ****ting myself in a similar situation. No one should be able to put someone in the position and still be in the house

[user104658]

Its so confusing though, I watched that whole clip. I cant seem to find the point where things were getting nasty.


The whole thing was charged with sexual aggression from both, she tries to calm it down once or twice throughout but sort of keeps going with it. He doesn't actually get "nasty"... he thinks he's being sexually dominant, he doesn't realise she doesn't like it. The exact point where it goes too far (for her) is 3.35 where he grabs her neck and says "pipe down". Completely changes in tone there. The problem isn't what he said or did - which would have been fine if she was into it. Each to their own, right? The problem was that it should have been pretty clear and he should have realised that it was a step too far and she wasn't comfortable any more, but he didn't, he was too wrapped up in it to notice. Which really is a problem. When you're playing that sort of "game" you HAVE to know that the game is still "on" or you risk very dodgy situations and that's exactly what happened.

[Roy Mars III]

Jesus, people on the channel 5 website are all saying she should be removed as well.. :bored:

A guy pins a girl to a bed and threatens to headbutt her for not respecting him, and everyone rushes to their computers to cry outrage that she isn't also out for her behaviour. Just, wow.

And this is coming from someone who dislikes Hazel.

she deserved a warning for that pants thing, but it is ridiculous to even entertain the idea of her being ejected

[optimisticcynic]

Thanks, and I didn't mention that because it never happened, she got into his face but never in a threatening manner.

Also you do realise he is a boxer??


Is this world gone mad? :rolleyes:

I don't actually think she was going to headbutt him, but his later behaviour mimics hers to an extent. She gestures as though about to get him and he doesn't flinch, and he stupidly does the same and people think he was about to bray her. Does my head in when people go on about his profession gender or size. It's like the ridiculous idea that it's ok for women to go around slapping men - "she's smaller than him. he should have just walked away." Noone should slap anyone, and if she's trying to make him flinch to assert sexual dominance, and the idiot does the same seconds later, he's not suddenly some uber-villain because he's male and built. She was hammering him minutes before with a pillow and he laughed but if he had done that to her, once again the gender/size/profession card would have been played.

[Kizzy]

I think that's a wonderful point :worship:

Sadly it'll be lost on people here who seem to condone his behaviour.

Thankyou gypsy :) I know as I spent two years feeling like that, until the scales fell from my eyes.

[user104658]

it would be pretty odd if she wasn't scared, it was a scary situation for anyone to be in. It obviously started out as play fighting but Daley changed halfway through or so and got serious (even if he thought he was play fighting). There was no indication that I could see that he was joking around. I think anyone would be afraid in that situation. Daley is a big guy and who knows what he could potentially do. I know I would be ****ting myself in a similar situation. No one should be able to put someone in the position and still be in the house

I think people can only see it from the outside perspective; if you imagine the whole scene from her viewpoint, it's extremely intense. I also can't help but think the same situation in private, without the cameras and Big Brother to intervene, would have gotten even worse. Not because he's evil and wanted to hurt her but because he really had no clue that she was scared, so he would have carried on.

Daley had to be thrown out for it. If anything, so that he might realise how he was so very wrong when he looks back at it, and be more mindful in these situations in future.

[Marsh.]

OH I GET IT NOW

a guy you hardly know (but are more than eager to be alone with) uses threatening behaviour towards you and 'terrifies' you

But, wait a minute, he seems to be calming down now, what should I do

Answers:

A. Run a bleeding mile

B. Run a bleeding mile

C. Jump into bed beside him and spoon him for the rest of the evening and then wake up and kiss him and say 'Good Morning Husband'

Obviously its C..............DOH


The same reason abused partners stay around, once they've returned to normal and are their regular selves, they forgive, forget and hope to move on.

Unfortunately for Daley, in the BB house only one incident is enough to get you thrown out.

[Maneki-neko]

Oh hellz no!!

Get Hazel out. :bawling: She's going to play the innocent card now, and I definitely saw the abusive signs in him card. :bawling:

Shut the **** up

[optimisticcynic]

Thankyou gypsy :) I know as I spent two years feeling like that, until the scales fell from my eyes.

I empathise with your self-disclosure, but maintain you are projecting your experiences without sufficient evidence as to his intentions or thoughts.

[Roy Mars III]

I think people can only see it from the outside perspective; if you imagine the whole scene from her viewpoint, it's extremely intense. I also can't help but think the same situation in private, without the cameras and Big Brother to intervene, would have gotten even worse. Not because he's evil and wanted to hurt her but because he really had no clue that she was scared, so he would have carried on.

Daley had to be thrown out for it. If anything, so that he might realise how he was so very wrong when he looks back at it, and be more mindful in these situations in future.

yea, it's easy to watch it and say that she wasn't scared and that she knew he was play fighting. Maybe she is lying, but I will assume she's not seeing that the situation was so intense and scary. I think a lot of the people arguing that she is somehow lying about being scared just don't like the girl and their negative opinion of her is clouding their judgement

[GypsyGoth]

I don't actually think she was going to headbutt him, but his later behaviour mimics hers to an extent. She gestures as though about to get him and he doesn't flinch, and he stupidly does the same and people think he was about to bray her. Does my head in when people go on about his profession gender or size. It's like the ridiculous idea that it's ok for women to go around slapping men - "she's smaller than him. he should have just walked away." Noone should slap anyone, and if she's trying to make him flinch to assert sexual dominance, and the idiot does the same seconds later, he's not suddenly some uber-villain because he's male and built. She was hammering him minutes before with a pillow and he laughed but if he had done that to her, once again the gender/size/profession card would have been played.

No you're missing what happened. The series of events weren't all play fighting and flirting, and seeing who was the most dominant sexually.

Here is a good account of them:

The whole thing was charged with sexual aggression from both, she tries to calm it down once or twice throughout but sort of keeps going with it. He doesn't actually get "nasty"... he thinks he's being sexually dominant, he doesn't realise she doesn't like it. The exact point where it goes too far (for her) is 3.35 where he grabs her neck and says "pipe down". Completely changes in tone there. The problem isn't what he said or did - which would have been fine if she was into it. Each to their own, right? The problem was that it should have been pretty clear and he should have realised that it was a step too far and she wasn't comfortable any more, but he didn't, he was too wrapped up in it to notice. Which really is a problem. When you're playing that sort of "game" you HAVE to know that the game is still "on" or you risk very dodgy situations and that's exactly what happened.

He didn't have a clue at the moment BB called him, what appropriate behaviour was. It was like he seen her as some type of enemy.

Now him being a boxer means there was very little she could do to him to make him feel threatened or scared for his life. She never aggressively hit him or pinned him down or tried to headbutt him.

And if you think his actions are somehow ok in this society, you are very much mistaken.

[Kizzy]

I empathise with your self-disclosure, but maintain you are projecting your experiences without sufficient evidence as to his intentions or thoughts.

Not at all, I can however sense when an atmosphere has soured that never leaves you.

[CaudleHalbard]

So messing around saying she wants a hug before going to sleep is now an instigator to being threatened like that?

Hazel was doing more than talking. Watch the videos FFS.

[Jords]

The whole thing was charged with sexual aggression from both, she tries to calm it down once or twice throughout but sort of keeps going with it. He doesn't actually get "nasty"... he thinks he's being sexually dominant, he doesn't realise she doesn't like it. The exact point where it goes too far (for her) is 3.35 where he grabs her neck and says "pipe down". Completely changes in tone there. The problem isn't what he said or did - which would have been fine if she was into it. Each to their own, right? The problem was that it should have been pretty clear and he should have realised that it was a step too far and she wasn't comfortable any more, but he didn't, he was too wrapped up in it to notice. Which really is a problem. When you're playing that sort of "game" you HAVE to know that the game is still "on" or you risk very dodgy situations and that's exactly what happened.

I think thats a very good post! Good analysis.

[Kizzy]

Hazel was doing more than talking. Watch the videos FFS.

There's no need to be so rude!
She did nothing to make him react in the way he did, stop trying to justify it, it's impossible.

[optimisticcynic]

My opinion does not significantly differ from Toy Soldier's other than the fact I feel they are equally to blame for commencing down the sexual roleplay route, with no adult discussion of boundaries or expectations, especially in the absence of any true knowledge of each other, and with any potential communication stifled by the pretence that their behaviour is borne of no sexual tension/energy. It's very similar to watching two boys wrestling and stating "this will end in tears" as they lack the ability to recognise or communicate escalation until it is too late. I still believe Daley meant Hazel no harm and probably thought she'd be aroused by his behaviour and in this sense, the situation has been sensationalised instead of both parties sharing responsibility.

[Kizzy]

My opinion does not significantly differ from Toy Soldier's other than the fact I feel they are equally to blame for commencing down the sexual roleplay route, with no adult discussion of boundaries or expectations, especially in the absence of any true knowledge of each other, and with any potential communication stifled by the pretence that their behaviour is borne of no sexual tension/energy. It's very similar to watching two boys wrestling and stating "this will end in tears" as they lack the ability to recognise or communicate escalation until it is too late. I still believe Daley meant Hazel no harm and probably thought she'd be aroused by his behaviour and in this sense, the situation has been sensationalised instead of both parties sharing responsibility.

I 100% disagree, him muttering on the way to the diary room he just wanted his cover and to go to sleep says to me he wasn't thinking of getting amorous at all.

[optimisticcynic]

I 100% disagree, him muttering on the way to the diary room he just wanted his cover and to go to sleep says to me he wasn't thinking of getting amorous at all.

He's fully aware at this point that their behaviour's been flagged and he's likely pretty worried about his part in it with blood flow to his real brain being restored. Hence the child-like "She started it" response.

[Kizzy]

He's fully aware at this point that their behaviour's been flagged and he's likely pretty worried about his part in it with blood flow to his real brain being restored. Hence the child-like "She started it" response.

Exactly he was childish and pathetic, using his huge frame to dominate like that. What a disgusting display of aggression. Stick to the ring you thug!

[PInternet]

Maybe I'm the crazy one but watching that didn't make me think Daley was being harmfully aggressive but more sexually-frustrated playfully aggressive and Hazel was completely goading it on. If she felt she was in danger, she would have asked him to stop, not pulled down his pants and then kept telling him to "do it" when he was "threatening" her. Like when he said "I'll finish you" and she said "I bet I'll finish you quicker". I mean, come the **** on.

[optimisticcynic]

Maybe I'm the crazy one but watching that didn't make me think Daley was being harmfully aggressive but more sexually-frustrated playfully aggressive and Hazel was completely goading it on. If she felt she was in danger, she would have asked him to stop, not pulled down his pants and then kept telling him to "do it" when he was "threatening" her. Like when he said "I'll finish you" and she said "I bet I'll finish you quicker". I mean, come the **** on.

Preach.

[Bridget51]

Am I going mad or what? Did they not spend the night together after they had both been called to the diary room and before Daley was ejected? She must have been really scared then? She deserves an Oscar

[joeysteele]

I thought she was scared but was trying not to show it.

I agree, sometimes that can be a defence mechanism.

[Kazanne]

Or indeed in the same bed!

Funny way of showing her "terror". ;)

Why are people overlooking these facts?

[Jesus.]

What an absolute bitch. Fancy being terrified when some guy pins you to the bed by your neck, and comes within millimeters of headbutting you.

What a gameplaying slut*****.

I have no idea why Hazel is getting any grief for what happened.

[Niamh.]

But if she was so terrified why did she not sleep elsewhere. BB would have let her if she was that scared. Also as CaudleHalbard pointed out, she went back into the same bed as him. Sorry but something doesn't sit right with this story.

Please don't think I want Daley to stay, his ejection was justified, but she played up to the whole thing.

The fact of the matter is BB called her to the Diary room straight after it happened and asked her what went on and how she felt about it, as far as I could see she told the truth about how she felt, she looked scared and as if she thought he'd crossed a line and she said that, she didn't start shaking or crying or demand he be removed from the house. Maybe after the dust had settled she thought Oh look he was drunk and went a bit far and maybe she forgave him and wanted to "be friends" again........that doesn't mean BB felt the same about it obviously.

[Rawrbear]

She did not look terrified but she looked really uncomfortable.

[Kazanne]

What an absolute bitch. Fancy being terrified when some guy pins you to the bed by your neck, and comes within millimeters of headbutting you.

What a gameplaying slut*****.

I have no idea why Hazel is getting any grief for what happened.

I see your point,but also see the point of others pointing out she (after the event) was laughing and joking told him he'de done nothing wrong and then slept with him? that's the part I find weird.

[Jesus.]

I see your point,but also see the point of others pointing out she (after the event) was laughing and joking told him he'de done nothing wrong and then slept with him? that's the part I find weird.

If I was in her position, and had been on the receiving end of his aggression, I doubt I would have been pointing out his flaws that night either. The most telling thing for me, was after it happened, she moved as far away from him as possible, and her body language was definitely self comforting/protecting.

I'm sure husbands that batter their wives (and I'm not saying Daley did), snuggle up after the abuse, and the female would take part in that. There is probably some weird psychology that takes place in these instants.

Hazel isn't to blame for what happened to her, and I don't think she deserved it or made the most of a situation for her own ends. Maybe in the cold light of day, after reflecting on the events and playing them through over and over in her head, she realised exactly what happened, and what could have potentially happened.

[smudgie]

Okay. I have obviously missed this evidence of Hazel and Daley sleeping together and cuddling up after all this happened.

I know Daley said they had a cuddle afterwards, but I was assuming he meant the rather awkward hug he gave her when she as going to the diary room.

Would BB really risk putting them both back in the same room after having to intervene when Daley had his hands around her throat...I think not somehow.

[Vanessa]

I'm sue she was. The guy is a total nutjob. :crazy:

[Niamh.]

I'm sue she was. The guy is a total nutjob. :crazy:

I know right? Beggers belief how people are trying to put any blame on Hazel for that. Fair enough she's not a popular HM but for Gods Sake :bored:

[the truth]

if she was scared why did she try and pull his pants down?

[Cherie]

Okay. I have obviously missed this evidence of Hazel and Daley sleeping together and cuddling up after all this happened.

I know Daley said they had a cuddle afterwards, but I was assuming he meant the rather awkward hug he gave her when she as going to the diary room.

Would BB really risk putting them both back in the same room after having to intervene when Daley had his hands around her throat...I think not somehow.

Smudgie, why in that case were the HMs so gobsmacked by his departure, if Hazel had returned to the main house in the night they would have been aware something had gone on. They both returned to the safe house, it does beggar belief really.

[Vanessa]

I know right? Beggers belief how people are trying to put any blame on Hazel for that. Fair enough she's not a popular HM but for Gods Sake :bored:

Hazel did go too far, but she didn't ask to be threatened or assaulted. If i was in her place i'd press charges.

[Jesus.]

if she was scared why did she try and pull his pants down?

Because she did that when she thought they were joking around, not when he had her by the throat.

[Vanessa]

Because she did that when she thought they were joking around, not when he had her by the throat.

Agreed. They were messing around at the beginning, but then Daley just went psycho.

[smudgie]

if she was scared why did she try and pull his pants down?

I don't think she was scared until he started with the threats and threatening stance.
You could see the change, she asked him to have a hug to calm it all down. She was not blameless, but up until then it was all horseplay.
I don't think she realised how pulling his pants down would lead to all that aggression.
Might teach her a lesson in future...you play with fire..you get burnt.

[MTVN]

Tbh I'm not even sure her pulling his trousers down was just messing around, it came just after he had smacked her ass really hard which she seemed a bit surprised by and then he stood over her saying "do you want me to ****ing go mad, do you remember when I said when I go mad it's ****ing scary, doesn't mean I'm gonna hit you but it's scary sh*t"

I actually think her responding by pulling his shorts down was her trying to get a bit more control in the situation, might not have been the best move but I think there had been a notable change in how she was looking at him before that

[bez87]

Jesus christ, she was absolutely terrified, if you couldn't tell by her body and just by her eyes alone you could tell she was scared. and seriously, do you think these people don't have feelings in their, most have probably forgot about the camera's at times, she is only telling someone she has no one in there to talk properly with, if you think she is playing a game to win the game think again she was just talking with dan, you heartless people.

[bez87]

Tbh I'm not even sure her pulling his trousers down was just messing around, it came just after he had smacked her ass really hard which she seemed a bit surprised by and then he stood over her saying "do you want me to ****ing go mad, do you remember when I said when I go mad it's ****ing scary, doesn't mean I'm gonna hit you but it's scary sh*t"

I actually think her responding by pulling his shorts down was her trying to get a bit more control in the situation, might not have been the best move but I think there had been a notable change in how she was looking at him before that

Thinking about it i completely agree, that slap from Daley changed her slightly, i think it was pretty hard and at that moment i honestly think she wanted to try and take control or just to try lighten the mood and show him what she wanted, yes the wrong thing to do, but she thought they were playing and i honestly Daley was just peed off. and if your playing why would anyone say half of what he said, you wouldn't even in playful sense, esp when you don't truly no them.

[Niamh.]

Thinking about it i completely agree, that slap from Daley changed her slightly, i think it was pretty hard and at that moment i honestly think she wanted to try and take control or just to try lighten the mood and show him what she wanted, yes the wrong thing to do, but she thought they were playing and i honestly Daley was just peed off. and if your playing why would anyone say half of what he said, you wouldn't even in playful sense, esp when you don't truly no them.

Exactly, people are trying to say it was sexual role play to defend Daley but seriously, they have never even slept together once, would you seriously start on that kind role playing without really knowing the other person and what they are and are not comfortable with in the bedroom? And test that out on national TV? I don't think so

[Stankleberry]

Exactly, people are trying to say it was sexual role play to defend Daley but seriously, they have never even slept together once, would you seriously start on that kind role playing without really knowing the other person and what they are and are not comfortable with in the bedroom? And test that out on national TV? I don't think so

Alcohol is a wonderful thing.

[Niamh.]

Alcohol is a wonderful thing.

Yeah alcohol has never made me threaten to head butt someone but there you go

[Stankleberry]

Yeah alcohol has never made me threaten to head butt someone but there you go


Has a hot Irish chick ever stole your covers?

[Niamh.]

Has a hot Irish chick ever stole your covers?

I am a hot Irish Chick :idc:

[Stankleberry]

I am a hot Irish Chick :idc:


Women don't go around choking men mostly because they are too weak to be able to. It's not an accomplishment.

[Niamh.]

Women don't go around choking men mostly because they are too weak to be able to. It's not an accomplishment.

And a guy choking a woman is an accomplishment?

[CaudleHalbard]

And a guy choking a woman is an accomplishment?

If it's part of sex play, I guess you can say it is.

Some people have managed to strangle themselves in a bid to heighten their sexual highs, including an MP. But I guess that's too much information! Lol! ;)

[Niamh.]

If it's part of sex play, I guess you can say it is.

Some people have managed to strangle themselves in a bid to heighten their sexual highs, including an MP. But I guess that's too much information! Lol! ;)

Again, I really doubt they'd be going straight down that road before they'd even actually had sex with eachother.........

[Jesus.]

All these people claiming it's part of sex play are obviously virgins who've watched a lot of porn.

Sex play generally starts once you've actually had sex and the relationship develops. I'm flabbergasted by the way some people are excusing a man pinning a women to the bed by her neck, threatening and motioning to headbutt her, whilst missing her by millimeters. I just don't get the reasoning.

[CaudleHalbard]

Sex play generally starts once you've actually had sex and the relationship develops.

Hilarious! :D

Rather sweet though, in a naive kinda way! Awww. ;)

[the truth]

the trouble is too,, daley is spectacularly dumb, he clearly doesn't have the mental capacity to cope with such a show, so why was he allowed on and why didn't BB step in sooner

[Niamh.]

All these people claiming it's part of sex play are obviously virgins who've watched a lot of porn.

Sex play generally starts once you've actually had sex and the relationship develops. I'm flabbergasted by the way some people are excusing a man pinning a women to the bed by her neck, threatening and motioning to headbutt her, whilst missing her by millimeters. I just don't get the reasoning.

Exactly

[kefln]

Cant believe this debate is still going on. And I cant believe that people are still trying to push blame on hazel.

Yes she was flirty. Yes on hind sight she was pushing the envelope.

But taking a girl by the neck, telling her that she needs to learn respect, telling her he was going to end her, forcing her into a pillow and threatening to "nut" her is not exceptable.

For all those saying that it was "roleplay", would you say the same if that was your friend, your sister, your mother, or anyone you knew? No.

Does a build up of flirtation, or sexual tention, mean that physical acts of violence are acceptable? No. Therefore neither are threats.

All we have seen so far between hazel and daley is flirtation, hesitation and a little touchy feely . They havent even properly kissed. Yet people want to believe that they automatically jumped to auto erotic asphyxiation, without discussing it.

Hazel is guilty of being a flirt. But nothing in life prepares you to deal with an aggressive situation like that, without training, or experience. Trying to defuse the situation, or get it back on track, is natural. As is denial. Most people woud react with the thought of "that cant of really happened". For hazel, it was all in good fun. Daley was her friend. She was hopeful that there would be more. She was not expecting his reation.

Defending his actions, trying to shift blame around, result in the same thing. The conclusion that its ok to physically restrain, or hurt, someone, as long as they showed an interest leading up to the point of aggression.

[the truth]

Cant believe this debate is still going on. And I cant believe that people are still trying to push blame on hazel.

Yes she was flirty. Yes on hind sight she was pushing the envelope.

But taking a girl by the neck, telling her that she needs to learn respect, telling her he was going to end her, forcing her into a pillow and threatening to "nut" her is not exceptable.

For all those saying that it was "roleplay", would you say the same if that was your friend, your sister, your mother, or anyone you knew? No.

Does a build up of flirtation, or sexual tention, mean that physical acts of violence are acceptable? No. Therefore neither are threats.

All we have seen so far between hazel and daley is flirtation, hesitation and a little touchy feely . They havent even properly kissed. Yet people want to believe that they automatically jumped to auto erotic asphyxiation, without discussing it.

Hazel is guilty of being a flirt. But nothing in life prepares you to deal with an aggressive situation like that, without training, or experience. Trying to defuse the situation, or get it back on track, is natural. As is denial. Most people woud react with the thought of "that cant of really happened". For hazel, it was all in good fun. Daley was her friend. She was hopeful that there would be more. She was not expecting his reation.

Defending his actions, trying to shift blame around, result in the same thing. The conclusion that its ok to physically restrain, or hurt, someone, as long as they showed an interest leading up to the point of aggression.

believe it....he is a nutjob and rightly gone as weve all said 1001 times....but she is a home wrecker, she demanded sexual attention 24/7 she gave him sleep deprivation to start with, she jumped into his bed against his will, she kept grabbing him and thrusting herself on him against his will, she pulled his pants down on national tv against his will, she should have been booted too

[Niamh.]

Cant believe this debate is still going on. And I cant believe that people are still trying to push blame on hazel.

Yes she was flirty. Yes on hind sight she was pushing the envelope.

But taking a girl by the neck, telling her that she needs to learn respect, telling her he was going to end her, forcing her into a pillow and threatening to "nut" her is not exceptable.

For all those saying that it was "roleplay", would you say the same if that was your friend, your sister, your mother, or anyone you knew? No.

Does a build up of flirtation, or sexual tention, mean that physical acts of violence are acceptable? No. Therefore neither are threats.

All we have seen so far between hazel and daley is flirtation, hesitation and a little touchy feely . They havent even properly kissed. Yet people want to believe that they automatically jumped to auto erotic asphyxiation, without discussing it.

Hazel is guilty of being a flirt. But nothing in life prepares you to deal with an aggressive situation like that, without training, or experience. Trying to defuse the situation, or get it back on track, is natural. As is denial. Most people woud react with the thought of "that cant of really happened". For hazel, it was all in good fun. Daley was her friend. She was hopeful that there would be more. She was not expecting his reation.

Defending his actions, trying to shift blame around, result in the same thing. The conclusion that its ok to physically restrain, or hurt, someone, as long as they showed an interest leading up to the point of aggression.

Yes, if you don't do that straight away you're obviously a prude..........dontcha know ;)

[kefln]

believe it....he is a nutjob and rightly gone as weve all said 1001 times....but she is a home wrecker, she demanded sexual attention 24/7 she gave him sleep deprivation to start with, she jumped into his bed against his will, she kept grabbing him and thrusting herself on him against his will, she pulled his pants down on national tv against his will, she should have been booted too

Well of course. A single woman is always to blame when men cant remember that they have girlfriends, partners, or family responsibly. Its always the womans fault, if she doesnt remind the man that he isnt single.

Its always the womans fault if the man is getting sexually aroused. Its always the womans fault if the man pursues her and she shows interest.

Its always the womans fault if the man grabs her by the throat, threatens to end her and "nut" her.

After all men are completely brainless, and are completely without blame when a woman comes into their line of sight.

Note my complete, and utter, sarcasm in everything said above, then multiply it by an infinite number...

[amu]

When she moved towards the chair she was playing the victim.

[kefln]

When she moved towards the chair she was playing the victim.

Or maybe putting distance between herself and the man that just hand his hands around her throat...

[courses]

When she moved towards the chair she was playing the victim.

Trouble with that idea is, she IS the victim. How about taking the incident as completely isolated from any previous behaviour from Hazel and Daley, as if it's a court case. Then try to argue that it is Hazel's fault.

[Jesus.]

Hilarious! :D

Rather sweet though, in a naive kinda way! Awww. ;)

It's neither sweet or hilarious. It says a lot about you, that anyone suggesting you don't start strangling women as soon as you're alone together is seen as naive. I'm happy with my approach to women and to life, and I'll take it over yours any day of the week.

[anne666]

All these people claiming it's part of sex play are obviously virgins who've watched a lot of porn.

Sex play generally starts once you've actually had sex and the relationship develops. I'm flabbergasted by the way some people are excusing a man pinning a women to the bed by her neck, threatening and motioning to headbutt her, whilst missing her by millimeters. I just don't get the reasoning.
Agreed. They are all also simply very unaware people.You have already been called naive!! say no more.

[anne666]

When she moved towards the chair she was playing the victim.

Really LOL Unbelievable !!!!

[Tribal Spaceman]

I just wish they'd both been ejected.

[Niamh.]

I just wish they'd both been ejected.

Hazel did nothing to warrant ejection

[GiRTh]

Cant believe this debate is still going on. And I cant believe that people are still trying to push blame on hazel.

Yes she was flirty. Yes on hind sight she was pushing the envelope.

But taking a girl by the neck, telling her that she needs to learn respect, telling her he was going to end her, forcing her into a pillow and threatening to "nut" her is not exceptable.

For all those saying that it was "roleplay", would you say the same if that was your friend, your sister, your mother, or anyone you knew? No.

Does a build up of flirtation, or sexual tention, mean that physical acts of violence are acceptable? No. Therefore neither are threats.

All we have seen so far between hazel and daley is flirtation, hesitation and a little touchy feely . They havent even properly kissed. Yet people want to believe that they automatically jumped to auto erotic asphyxiation, without discussing it.

Hazel is guilty of being a flirt. But nothing in life prepares you to deal with an aggressive situation like that, without training, or experience. Trying to defuse the situation, or get it back on track, is natural. As is denial. Most people woud react with the thought of "that cant of really happened". For hazel, it was all in good fun. Daley was her friend. She was hopeful that there would be more. She was not expecting his reation.

Defending his actions, trying to shift blame around, result in the same thing. The conclusion that its ok to physically restrain, or hurt, someone, as long as they showed an interest leading up to the point of aggression.This.

I think Hazels behavior will be under scrutiny and I think she needs to explain some of her comments during the assault but to ultimately shift the blame to her is wrong.

[Tribal Spaceman]

Hazel did nothing to warrant ejection

Please stop stating your opinions as facts, it's not polite.

Let's look at Hazel:

i) encouraged Daley to cheat on his girlfriend with her (they are equally to blame here)
ii) engaged in creepy aggressive roleplay with him (again, equals)
iii) egged on and encouraged him even when he started to say frankly quite troubling things (with a smile on her face)
iv) didn't think anything was wrong with the situation until BB called Daley away and made it into an issue (and then went and sat in the corner and thought about how she would be perceived by those watching)

Hazel is a strong, independent woman that does what she wants and gets what she wants. There is no way on this Earth that she'd have let Daley act that way with her if she felt in any way scared or threatened. Give the woman some credit there - she's only known him for a few weeks, it's not like she was in a longterm relationship with him and frightened to leave. Plus she's taking part in a TV gameshow, with cameras filming her every move. If she was frightened she would have done something about it.

The fact that Daley seemingly gets off in acting in an aggressive manner says a lot about his character, but this is a two-way situation and they are both to blame here.

This whole thing is making a mockery of those people who are in real abusive relationships and situations.

[Livia]

Please stop stating your opinions as facts, it's not polite.

Let's look at Hazel:

i) encouraged Daley to cheat on his girlfriend with her (they are equally to blame here)
ii) engaged in creepy aggressive roleplay with him (again, equals)
iii) egged on and encouraged him even when he started to say frankly quite troubling things (with a smile on her face)
iv) didn't think anything was wrong with the situation until BB called Daley away and made it into an issue (and then went and sat in the corner and thought about how she would be perceived by those watching)

Hazel is a strong, independent woman that does what she wants and gets what she wants. There is no way on this Earth that she'd have let Daley act that way with her if she felt in any way scared or threatened. Give the woman some credit there - she's only known him for a few weeks, it's not like she was in a longterm relationship with him and frightened to leave. Plus she's taking part in a TV gameshow, with cameras filming her every move. If she was frightened she would have done something about it.

This whole situation is making a mockery of those people who are in real abusive relationships and situations.


Despite all that... Niamh was right. Hazel did nothing to warrant being ejected.

[Vicky.]

Please stop stating your opinions as facts, it's not polite.

Let's look at Hazel:

i) encouraged Daley to cheat on his girlfriend with her (they are equally to blame here)
ii) engaged in creepy aggressive roleplay with him (again, equals)
iii) egged on and encouraged him even when he started to say frankly quite troubling things (with a smile on her face)
iv) didn't think anything was wrong with the situation until BB called Daley away and made it into an issue (and then went and sat in the corner and thought about how she would be perceived by those watching)

Hazel is a strong, independent woman that does what she wants and gets what she wants. There is no way on this Earth that she'd have let Daley act that way with her if she felt in any way scared or threatened. Give the woman some credit there - she's only known him for a few weeks, it's not like she was in a longterm relationship with him and frightened to leave. Plus she's taking part in a TV gameshow, with cameras filming her every move. If she was frightened she would have done something about it.

The fact that Daley seemingly gets off in acting in an aggressive manner says a lot about his character, but this is a two-way situation and they are both to blame here.

This whole thing is making a mockery of those people who are in real abusive relationships and situations.

I dont think its fair to say that..big brother called him a few seconds after he said he would nut her..I think she had just realised at that moment that he definitely was not flirting. Nothing to do with BB calling him.

[Tribal Spaceman]

I don't think she believes that at all. She saw a way out of the situation, and ran with it. We've already seen from her conversation with Dexter last week that she is extremely concerned with the public's perception of her, especially considering that she is a model. This was her 'Get Out Of Jail' card.

Look how quickly Daley 'switched off' from the situation when he was called into the diary room. If he was as angry as he was making out to be he couldn't have done that, he'd have torn the place to pieces.

I think the thing that's getting people so upset right now is the thought that making Hazel accountable for her actions somehow diminishes Daley's behaviour. It does not. What he did was creepy and tasteless and uncomfortable to watch. But Hazel magnified and encouraged it, and should have been dealt with accordingly. I stand by my belief that they both should have been evicted, or at least punished.

[erinp5]

Dan and Hazel.

Tonight’s Big Brother 2013 sees Hazel O’Sullivan telling the housemates about why Daley Ojuederie was kicked out of the house.




Yesterday Big Brother booted Daley from the show for being abusive, aggressive and threatening to Hazel in the safe house the night before.

Following the announcement to the house by Big Brother, the group were naturally keen to understand what had happened.

Detective Dan naturally led the questioning, asking Hazel: “Did he try it on hard or something?”

“No he just flipped…I don’t need anybody knowing this at all…it was just really weird, like we were messing and I hugged him…we were messing around pulling on each other’s covers and play fighting like you do when you’re drunk,” Hazel explained. “I don’t know he just turned; the eyes and everything. I had my knees up to his chest trying to push him away, really really intense.

“I just grabbed his throat, pushing him away saying you don’t think I am afraid of aggressive men do you, I was pushing him away. Then at that second Big Brother were like ‘Daley come to the diary room.’ I didn’t want anyone to be kicked out, just got a little bit of a fright.”

Dan claimed: “I am not surprised this has happened.”

Hazel admitted: “I just can’t believe it got him kicked out.”

But Dan asked: “You were scared right?”

“Yeah, I was terrified,” commented Hazel.

Dan told her: “There you go. If you were scared and you felt threatened by that then even if it was a *******ing joke it was too much then the right thing has happened.”

Speaking later with Dan and Charlie, Hazel said: “I just don’t want my whole time in this thing to have been about him. My mind was changed last night; he was very drunk last night.”

She added: “As well and good as it is being in the there, it is very intense. I’m a very straight person, my personality doesn’t change much. So when people flip on me, when I don’t know what somebody is going to do next, that frightens me.”

Big Brother UK airs tonight at 10PM on Channel 5.



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[boomoo]

I dont care how you feel about Hazel, but blaming her for this, is just wrong/sick/crazy.

Yes she was flirting, yes she was looking for attention, maybe she was looking for a little bed action, but she wasnt looking/expecting what happened.

It all went wrong from the point that daley stood on the bed, in a dominate pose, calling her a mother******, then telling her to respect him, then holding her by the throat and throwing her a headbutt.

The sooner BB called him to the diaryroom, she fled to the chair.

Hazels conflict of interest was plain to see. Daley is/was her friend, his change was so extreme that she didnt know how to react. She was in shock.


And I am in shock over peoples reactions. Listening to the callers BBBOTS a lot of the blame was being dropped on hazels lap. Which is twisted. When does slapping a guy on the arse equate to being threatened with a headbutt? When does pulling someones pants down, in the dark, whike laughing, equal being grabbed by the throat?

It reminds me of girls wearing short skirts being blamed for inappropriate reactions by men.

No one can say that Daley was right and no one should be making excuses for Hazel. She began this flirting and took it way too far with a man she knew nothing about. If she had gone into that room with Daley and settled to sleep, with none of this flirting the rest would not have happened. What you say is current thinking but it is dangerous behaviour for a woman. Hazel was just fortunate that she tried this inside the big brother house where the action was being monitored. Women can wear their shorts and they will be safe as long as they do not start shaking a ' a red rag in front of a bull'.

It would help us all if men and women learnt from this episode.

[boomoo]

the trouble is too,, daley is spectacularly dumb, he clearly doesn't have the mental capacity to cope with such a show, so why was he allowed on and why didn't BB step in sooner

They should have been straight in there when she pulled his pants down. But no, they wanted to see what would happen. Denise Welsh only tweaked a woman's pyjamas and there was hell on.
As Hazel said he flipped. This possibility should have been picked up by the selectors. Why pay for psychiactric assessment that cannot pick out those with a violent streak. He said it was just fun. He needs his ideas reassessed.

[kefln]

No one can say that Daley was right and no one should be making excuses for Hazel. She began this flirting and took it way too far with a man she knew nothing about. If she had gone into that room with Daley and settled to sleep, with none of this flirting the rest would not have happened. What you say is current thinking but it is dangerous behaviour for a woman. Hazel was just fortunate that she tried this inside the big brother house where the action was being monitored. Women can wear their shorts and they will be safe as long as they do not start shaking a ' a red rag in front of a bull'.

It would help us all if men and women learnt from this episode.

You know one of the first things people say when they find out that their neighbour is an axe wielding maniac, who kept women locked in his basement, is "but he was always such a quiet, friendly sort".

You never know whats going on in someones head until you live with them and get to see them at their best, and worst.

You cant blame a girl for flirting and thinking that the guy that see now considers a friend, is in reality a thug. Nothing in life prepares you for that. If all that she has known is good decent men, then why would be expect any different here?

Its wrong to place blame on the victims. Even if its only a brief brush with violence, there are lasting effects.

[Tom4784]

Her body language pretty much screamed scared to me, If she wasn't fussed by his actions she would have been comfortable enough to stay where she was. It was plain to see that she was very unnerved by what happened.

As for why she stayed she probably tried to rationalise the situation in her head, you get it a lot in abusive relationships. The person getting abused will try to convince themselves everything is okay.

[fingers]

I just find it odd that people feel the need to "get inside" other people's heads and explain what they were really thinking as if they, and only they, were capable of interpreting what they thought they saw.

Look forward to Hazel telling it like it is, in her own words, tonight (fat chance!)

[boomoo]

But if she was so terrified why did she not sleep elsewhere. BB would have let her if she was that scared. Also as CaudleHalbard pointed out, she went back into the same bed as him. Sorry but something doesn't sit right with this story.

Please don't think I want Daley to stay, his ejection was justified, but she played up to the whole thing.

BB would have asked her this when she was called to the diary. At the time she said everything was all right. She had no idea he had done anything that warranted his eviction.

[CaudleHalbard]

I have a feeling Hazel is genuinely shocked Daley was ejected and feels it was an OTT reaction by BB.

She will also suffer a touch of guilt, but I doubt that will last.

[kistar]

If she was scared why did she grab him round the neck when he was doing it to her , surely you would just ask him to stop and make it clear enough was enough.

[boomoo]

You know one of the first things people say when they find out that their neighbour is an axe wielding maniac, who kept women locked in his basement, is "but he was always such a quiet, friendly sort".

You never know whats going on in someones head until you live with them and get to see them at their best, and worst.

You cant blame a girl for flirting and thinking that the guy that see now considers a friend, is in reality a thug. Nothing in life prepares you for that. If all that she has known is good decent men, then why would be expect any different here?

Its wrong to place blame on the victims. Even if its only a brief brush with violence, there are lasting effects.


I was just surprised that Hazel who claims to be experienced (she knew how to deal with aggressive men, her words) did not see the warning signs.
I told my daughter, -if a man even looks as if he is thinking of being aggressive, leave and do not go back'.
I do not want any woman to be hurt this way, or man for that matter so it is essential that people can learn what exactly went wrong here. A one sided view wont help.
I do not believe that Hazel thought anything was wrong until BB called him in.
She went and slept in the same bed for the rest of the night. If she was really afraid she could have asked BB to let her be moved but I saw a clip where she said she was alright,
I hope Hazel learns something from this but I doubt it. Will the public learn not to walk with a dog in a field where a cow has calves? No. Therefore we keep hearing of walkers being trampled to death.

They were put into that room together to increase viewing and they certainly did that.

[amu]

She is a liar, and she is trying to look innocent, it is fake.