Anyone who defends Daley..

[lily.]

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

[Beso]

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

A****ingmen

[snail69]

Do we really need all these threads that are essentially about the same thing?

I think all threads regarding this Daley thing should be merged.

[GypsyGoth]

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

:worship:

[cookiemonster]

indeed

abuse is not a laughing matter. it destroys people lives. it goes unnoticed because people turn a blind eye

[Beso]

He even blamed her as the door hit his ass on exiting the house.

[lily.]

I find it even more disturbing when it's women defending his behaviour.

[CaudleHalbard]

Who has defended him?

It was right that he should go. But Hazel should (arguably) have gone as well. But at least she got a formal warning, so BB has acknowledged she shares some part of the blame for the incident.

[Drew.]

hopefully nobody's defending his behavior, but i think some people are defending whether or not he should have been kicked out of the house or not.

[cookiemonster]

some people are saying it's 'clearly' just role playing and he didn't mean it like that. which is as good as defending him

[Stankleberry]

They were both clearly joking around. She started the aggressiveness, and continued to allow it to escalate with her sexiness. This is a normal human male female relationship.

I think they got rid of him for the publicity more than anything, which is pretty lame.

[GiRTh]

I think his actions were unacceptable long before he grabbed her by the throat but she wasnt afraid at all points in the incident.

[reece(:]

I find it even more disturbing when it's women defending his behaviour.

I'd recommend you to stay well of twitter then.

[Speedster]

I find it even more disturbing when it's women defending his behaviour.

This^^^ If you look on twitter (it's trending) there seems to be a clear divide between men and women-the men are on Hazel's side (mostly) and the women are on Daley's side.

[GiRTh]

This^^^ If you look on twitter (it's trending) there seems to be a clear divide between men and women-the men are on Hazel's side (mostly) and the women are on Daley's side.Its quite disturbing.

[optimisticcynic]

I really doubt there was any intention to harm. Not a Daley fan at all, but the bit that swayed it for me was when, standing above her, he stops to ask if she wants him to be aggressive, clarifying beforehand that he'd never hit her, as though saying "I'm all bark and no bite". She in turn then eggs him on as though sexually excited by it all. Not to everyone's taste, and people may understandably not be fans of domination and the like, but he seemed to be establishing safety in what is otherwise aggressive foreplay.

[YodaBB]

I agree, It was actually really distressing and hard to watch

[anne666]

Who has defended him?

It was right that he should go. But Hazel should (arguably) have gone as well. But at least she got a formal warning, so BB has acknowledged she shares some part of the blame for the incident.

She received a warning for her behaviour which does not in any way justify his

[swinearefine]

:worship: I had already mostly given up hope on society, but I'm actually shocked at the amount of support he's getting.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

No one is defending him, the argument is being based on hazel being evicted with the lunatic as well !!!

[Roy Mars III]

No one is defending him, the argument is being based on hazel being evicted with the lunatic as well !!!

lol I think you are the only one arguing that point

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

lol I think you are the only one arguing that point

yeah but some people are misinterpeting it as we are defending daley when we are not lool.... :spin:

[mr rochester]

This is a normal human male female relationship.

This is categorically not a normal male female relationship...

[PInternet]

I think the real problem here is that many people who post on "Big Brother" forums are possibly a tad prudish and haven't experienced anything like this in real life. The same people who have sex once a month in missionary position for 3 minutes and then roll over and go to sleep and consider that normalcy. I guess it's difficult to be able to identify sexual tension if you've never had it. There's plenty of couples that playfight and choke each other and say "threatening" things to each other without having to sit down and set boundaries beforehand. Some people live in the moment.

If some of you sincerely think that Daley was trying to kill Hazel over a duvet cover, then I just don't know what say. She pulled down his pants; she responded to all of his "threats" with sexual innuendo and goaded him on at every turn. Was he supposed to think that they weren't playing and she wasn't liking it when all of her actions were sexual banter/advances; especially given their history over the past weeks? Not at a single point did she ask him to stop. If Big Brother hadn't called him to the diary room, they probably would have ended up having sex. Again, when he said "I'll finish you"; something that's been put out as one of his "threats", she replied "I bet I'll finish you quicker". That definitely sounds like something that someone feeling threatened would say. Not to mention, that they both knew that they were being filmed and were in a live TV studio with plenty of other people and that there would be intervention before anything criminal happened.

Let's also not forget the fact that after this whole debacle, she spent the whole night sleeping in the same room as him, talking, etc. And for some of you to bring out "Battered Woman's Syndrome" as a defense of that is just horrendous. That's not something that occurs acutely but rather through long chronic abuse in which the woman gains dependence and fears the loss of her partner more than being abused. This is not the type of relationship Hazel and Daley had, nor were they even in a real relationship at all.

[ConnieLingus]

I think the real problem here is that many people who post on "Big Brother" forums are possibly a tad prudish and haven't experienced anything like this in real life. The same people who have sex once a month in missionary position for 3 minutes and then roll over and go to sleep and consider that normalcy. I guess it's difficult to be able to identify sexual tension if you've never had it. There's plenty of couples that playfight and choke each other and say "threatening" things to each other without having to sit down and set boundaries beforehand. Some people live in the moment.

If some of you sincerely think that Daley was trying to kill Hazel over a duvet cover, then I just don't know what say. She pulled down his pants; she responded to all of his "threats" with sexual innuendo and goaded him on at every turn. Was he supposed to think that they weren't playing and she wasn't liking it when all of her actions were sexual banter/advances; especially given their history over the past weeks? Not at a single point did she ask him to stop. If Big Brother hadn't called him to the diary room, they probably would have ended up having sex. Again, when he said "I'll finish you"; something that's been put out as one of his "threats", she replied "I bet I'll finish you quicker". That definitely sounds like something that someone feeling threatened would say. Not to mention, that they both knew that they were being filmed and were in a live TV studio with plenty of other people and that there would be intervention before anything criminal happened.

Let's also not forget the fact that after this whole debacle, she spent the whole night sleeping in the same room as him, talking, etc. And for some of you to bring out "Battered Woman's Syndrome" as a defense of that is just horrendous. That's not something that occurs acutely but rather through long chronic abuse in which the woman gains dependence and fears the loss of her partner more than being abused. This is not the type of relationship Hazel and Daley had, nor were they even in a real relationship at all.

Not much to argue with there.

[Blue Cadillac]

I think the real problem here is that many people who post on "Big Brother" forums are possibly a tad prudish and haven't experienced anything like this in real life. The same people who have sex once a month in missionary position for 3 minutes and then roll over and go to sleep and consider that normalcy. I guess it's difficult to be able to identify sexual tension if you've never had it. There's plenty of couples that playfight and choke each other and say "threatening" things to each other without having to sit down and set boundaries beforehand. Some people live in the moment.

If some of you sincerely think that Daley was trying to kill Hazel over a duvet cover, then I just don't know what say. She pulled down his pants; she responded to all of his "threats" with sexual innuendo and goaded him on at every turn. Was he supposed to think that they weren't playing and she wasn't liking it when all of her actions were sexual banter/advances; especially given their history over the past weeks? Not at a single point did she ask him to stop. If Big Brother hadn't called him to the diary room, they probably would have ended up having sex. Again, when he said "I'll finish you"; something that's been put out as one of his "threats", she replied "I bet I'll finish you quicker". That definitely sounds like something that someone feeling threatened would say. Not to mention, that they both knew that they were being filmed and were in a live TV studio with plenty of other people and that there would be intervention before anything criminal happened.

Let's also not forget the fact that after this whole debacle, she spent the whole night sleeping in the same room as him, talking, etc. And for some of you to bring out "Battered Woman's Syndrome" as a defense of that is just horrendous. That's not something that occurs acutely but rather through long chronic abuse in which the woman gains dependence and fears the loss of her partner more than being abused. This is not the type of relationship Hazel and Daley had, nor were they even in a real relationship at all.

Spot on.

[Johnnyuk123]

Who's Daley?

[thesheriff443]

They were both clearly joking around. She started the aggressiveness, and continued to allow it to escalate with her sexiness. This is a normal human male female relationship.

I think they got rid of him for the publicity more than anything, which is pretty lame.

one of the worst post's I have ever read!

[Cherie]

I think the real problem here is that many people who post on "Big Brother" forums are possibly a tad prudish and haven't experienced anything like this in real life. The same people who have sex once a month in missionary position for 3 minutes and then roll over and go to sleep and consider that normalcy. I guess it's difficult to be able to identify sexual tension if you've never had it. There's plenty of couples that playfight and choke each other and say "threatening" things to each other without having to sit down and set boundaries beforehand. Some people live in the moment.

If some of you sincerely think that Daley was trying to kill Hazel over a duvet cover, then I just don't know what say. She pulled down his pants; she responded to all of his "threats" with sexual innuendo and goaded him on at every turn. Was he supposed to think that they weren't playing and she wasn't liking it when all of her actions were sexual banter/advances; especially given their history over the past weeks? Not at a single point did she ask him to stop. If Big Brother hadn't called him to the diary room, they probably would have ended up having sex. Again, when he said "I'll finish you"; something that's been put out as one of his "threats", she replied "I bet I'll finish you quicker". That definitely sounds like something that someone feeling threatened would say. Not to mention, that they both knew that they were being filmed and were in a live TV studio with plenty of other people and that there would be intervention before anything criminal happened.

Let's also not forget the fact that after this whole debacle, she spent the whole night sleeping in the same room as him, talking, etc. And for some of you to bring out "Battered Woman's Syndrome" as a defense of that is just horrendous. That's not something that occurs acutely but rather through long chronic abuse in which the woman gains dependence and fears the loss of her partner more than being abused. This is not the type of relationship Hazel and Daley had, nor were they even in a real relationship at all.

Great post.

[thesheriff443]

Great post.

cant believe you said great post,
there where two drunk people in that room! one wanted to play fight, the other wanted to fight!

[Suze]

He even blamed her as the door hit his ass on exiting the house.

That was unbelievable wasn't it :o He went through all the it was only play fighting, although his face and demeanour suggested otherwise, then completely shattered any tiny belief of that, by saying, she this and she that and she desprespected me, on his departure from the diary room. I reckon that young man needs some kind of anger management. Hazel is a wind up merchant by the looks of it, but her actions did not at all warrant that from him. He knew he had done wrong as he turned to Hazel as soon as he was called to the diary room and asked her if he had been ok with her, and she said he had whilst she was cowering on the chair looking shocked.

[thesheriff443]

That was unbelievable wasn't it :o He went through all the it was only play fighting, although his face and demeanour suggested otherwise, then completely shattered any tiny belief of that, by saying, she this and she that and she desprespected me, on his departure from the diary room. I reckon that young man needs some kind of anger management. Hazel is a wind up merchant by the looks of it, but her actions did not at all warrant that from him. He knew he had done wrong as he turned to Hazel as soon as he was called to the diary room and asked her if he had been ok with her, and she said he had whilst she was cowering on the chair looking shocked.

now this a great post!:xyxwave:
when he said to her when I go mad its scary, clearly he's done it before!

[joeysteele]

No way would I defend him the tiniiest bit, I thought him lower than the low for his public humiliation of his girlfriend Katie, after last nights highlights,he went even lower if that was possible.

I will say though, he was in his own bed with his own cover and had Hazel just gone to sleep rather than try to force a 'cuddle' moment,it may not have happened as it turned out to.

However, that showed another really bad side to him and also a sinsister one so maybe it was a good thing it came out as it did.
I hope his girlfriend Katie was watching still, she has likely had a lucky escape in my view if she is now finished with him.

[joeysteele]

That was unbelievable wasn't it :o He went through all the it was only play fighting, although his face and demeanour suggested otherwise, then completely shattered any tiny belief of that, by saying, she this and she that and she desprespected me, on his departure from the diary room. I reckon that young man needs some kind of anger management. Hazel is a wind up merchant by the looks of it, but her actions did not at all warrant that from him. He knew he had done wrong as he turned to Hazel as soon as he was called to the diary room and asked her if he had been ok with her, and she said he had whilst she was cowering on the chair looking shocked.

That is a great post.
''I'll finish you'' and the words ''nut you'', do not sound like any play acting or fun to me.

He has likely been smouldering for a while now over the gossiping about them in the house, still not being sure what Dexter had said to Hazel in the tree house and once alone,it was only a matter of time with the added bravado of having had alcohol, that he exploded.

[arista]

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.


Yes so his Former lady was the Dormat
that loved him for the Pig he is.




Will it Help his Boxing - Yes


Life In The City

[Raph]

I think the real problem here is that many people who post on "Big Brother" forums are possibly a tad prudish and haven't experienced anything like this in real life. The same people who have sex once a month in missionary position for 3 minutes and then roll over and go to sleep and consider that normalcy. I guess it's difficult to be able to identify sexual tension if you've never had it. There's plenty of couples that playfight and choke each other and say "threatening" things to each other without having to sit down and set boundaries beforehand. Some people live in the moment.

If some of you sincerely think that Daley was trying to kill Hazel over a duvet cover, then I just don't know what say. She pulled down his pants; she responded to all of his "threats" with sexual innuendo and goaded him on at every turn. Was he supposed to think that they weren't playing and she wasn't liking it when all of her actions were sexual banter/advances; especially given their history over the past weeks? Not at a single point did she ask him to stop. If Big Brother hadn't called him to the diary room, they probably would have ended up having sex. Again, when he said "I'll finish you"; something that's been put out as one of his "threats", she replied "I bet I'll finish you quicker". That definitely sounds like something that someone feeling threatened would say. Not to mention, that they both knew that they were being filmed and were in a live TV studio with plenty of other people and that there would be intervention before anything criminal happened.

Let's also not forget the fact that after this whole debacle, she spent the whole night sleeping in the same room as him, talking, etc. And for some of you to bring out "Battered Woman's Syndrome" as a defense of that is just horrendous. That's not something that occurs acutely but rather through long chronic abuse in which the woman gains dependence and fears the loss of her partner more than being abused. This is not the type of relationship Hazel and Daley had, nor were they even in a real relationship at all.

Very well put, completely agree with you :worship:

[Cherie]

That was unbelievable wasn't it :o He went through all the it was only play fighting, although his face and demeanour suggested otherwise, then completely shattered any tiny belief of that, by saying, she this and she that and she desprespected me, on his departure from the diary room. I reckon that young man needs some kind of anger management. Hazel is a wind up merchant by the looks of it, but her actions did not at all warrant that from him. He knew he had done wrong as he turned to Hazel as soon as he was called to the diary room and asked her if he had been ok with her, and she said he had whilst she was cowering on the chair looking shocked.

Yes I agree with all this but if she was so terrified why did she return to the safe house and get into bed with him. Hazel needs to take some responsibility here as well, most woman would have insisted on returning to the main house and telling Daley in no uncertain terms that his behaviour had crossed the line,( in fact he had crossed the line the previous day when he told her she shouldn't wear too much make up), and she would discuss it with him in the cold light of day, instead she ended up in bed with him laughing about it. That really pees me off because she made light of what happened after the event, even last night on LF she said she was "disappointed" Daley had left, she really needs to look at herself in this and how her actions immediately after the event appear to condone his behaviour.

[bez87]

I think the real problem here is that many people who post on "Big Brother" forums are possibly a tad prudish and haven't experienced anything like this in real life. The same people who have sex once a month in missionary position for 3 minutes and then roll over and go to sleep and consider that normalcy. I guess it's difficult to be able to identify sexual tension if you've never had it. There's plenty of couples that playfight and choke each other and say "threatening" things to each other without having to sit down and set boundaries beforehand. Some people live in the moment.

If some of you sincerely think that Daley was trying to kill Hazel over a duvet cover, then I just don't know what say. She pulled down his pants; she responded to all of his "threats" with sexual innuendo and goaded him on at every turn. Was he supposed to think that they weren't playing and she wasn't liking it when all of her actions were sexual banter/advances; especially given their history over the past weeks? Not at a single point did she ask him to stop. If Big Brother hadn't called him to the diary room, they probably would have ended up having sex. Again, when he said "I'll finish you"; something that's been put out as one of his "threats", she replied "I bet I'll finish you quicker". That definitely sounds like something that someone feeling threatened would say. Not to mention, that they both knew that they were being filmed and were in a live TV studio with plenty of other people and that there would be intervention before anything criminal happened.

Let's also not forget the fact that after this whole debacle, she spent the whole night sleeping in the same room as him, talking, etc. And for some of you to bring out "Battered Woman's Syndrome" as a defense of that is just horrendous. That's not something that occurs acutely but rather through long chronic abuse in which the woman gains dependence and fears the loss of her partner more than being abused. This is not the type of relationship Hazel and Daley had, nor were they even in a real relationship at all.

Nope completely disagree, I agree that Hazel was making it sexual, but Daley had absolute no intention of sex. You've completely missed the tone of his voice and the reactions he was giving to her being more sexual. He was not playing, you point out the whole i'll finish you, and she did reply i'll finish you quicker. But you have clearly forgot that after she replied he looked at her and was confused and actually said in an aggressive way, in what way. At no point did i feel that Daley was doing this for a sexual pleasure, he was really peed off she took the cover, a controlling and a aggressive person that Daley has shown the last couple of days, and his views on women all point, to that he wants control over her and her taking the duvet signaled in his mind she had no respect for him.

If you had paid attention you'd of known that Hazel was getting very scared and she became very quiet, she rolled over and allowed him to get the quilt because her sexual advances hadn't done anything to his tone of voice or his mood once he had got his quilt this would of been the moment where he could of either jumped in his own bed with the quilt he wanted, or jumped in with hazel, but he didn't he took it even further by telling her to respect her elders and if she didn't he would nut her, and actually pretended to nut her, where have you got this sexual tension from, maybe if she had been flirting before hand but they hadn't, Daley was in bed, he never gave any sign that he was just playing, this had nothing to do with sex for Daley, this was because she was disrespecting his wishes and she wound him up.

Hazel pulling his pants down was her way of trying to lighten the mood and pursue sexual relations, but it backed fired. I understand Hazel did push him but she did not think he would go that far. yes they cuddled when he went back, but she was very scared of him, she didn't know what to think.
Daley non the other hand knew exactly what he had done, as soon as big brother spoke it clicked in his head. They wouldn't of had sex, When BB called Daley to the DR, Hazel jumped up and pretty much ran to the other side of the room and sat nervously on the chair, her eyes told the whole story from her point of view, and Daley knew straight away because he became scared.

You also talk about couples choking each other, but this wasn't choking each other, there was only daley doing it, and he did it after they had stopped, while he was walking to the diary room he knew what he'd done, because he was trying to justify his actions in his own mind, this comes down to a very unstable person. and when he got kicked out, how he turned it round saying she was devious and it was all her, is a massive indication that he is unstable.

You've either not picked up on it for the last few days or didn't think anything of it, but it started or at least i noticed something strange with his attitude, when dexter was having a one on one with hazel, and daley's tone changed and became slightly threatening towards dexter trying to get him down and to tell him everything. Once they got into the safe house, it was abit strange him going on about how good looking she was without make up but then it turned into a very controlling tone of voice and conversation from him about she should not where make up and he likes his girls natural and she should do as he says. He also tried to control what she wore. and while all that play fighting was happening it was so creepy that he kept calling her his little girl. it's also come to light on last nights show that the housemates knew his fews that women should cook clean and all that. it all adds up to a control freak and the way he can't string sentences together also suggests he is very unstable in what he wants to say.

He had to go, a warning doesn't cut it, i'm not saying he was going to kill her, but in no way shape or form he was doing it for sexual pleasure, not on his part. And i'm not prudish far from it, and i'm not a person who does the missionary position for how ever minutes, i've done the whole play fighting and rough play plenty, but what i watched last night, i did fear for her. and she knew it to.

[Cherie]

ual pleasure, not on his part. And i'm not prudish far from it, and i'm not a person who does the masonry position for how ever minutes, i've done the whole play fighting and rough play plenty, but what i watched last night, i did fear for her. and she knew it to.


:suspect: does that involve some type of blocklaying or brickwork?

[Kazanne]

Yes I agree with all this but if she was so terrified why did she return to the safe house and get into bed with him. Hazel needs to take some responsibility here as well, most woman would have insisted on returning to the main house and telling Daley in no uncertain terms that his behaviour had crossed the line,( in fact he had crossed the line the previous day when he told her she shouldn't wear too much make up), and she would discuss it with him in the cold light of day, instead she ended up in bed with him laughing about it. That really pees me off because she made light of what happened after the event, even last night on LF she said she was "disappointed" Daley had left, she really needs to look at herself in this and how her actions immediately after the event appear to condone his behaviour.

Agree Cherie,no one is defending Daley as I can see but some people can see what part she played.

[bez87]

:suspect: does that involve some type of blocklaying or brickwork?

I'm tired leave me alone. lol

[GiRTh]

I think the real problem here is that many people who post on "Big Brother" forums are possibly a tad prudish and haven't experienced anything like this in real life. The same people who have sex once a month in missionary position for 3 minutes and then roll over and go to sleep and consider that normalcy. I guess it's difficult to be able to identify sexual tension if you've never had it. There's plenty of couples that playfight and choke each other and say "threatening" things to each other without having to sit down and set boundaries beforehand. Some people live in the moment.

If some of you sincerely think that Daley was trying to kill Hazel over a duvet cover, then I just don't know what say. She pulled down his pants; she responded to all of his "threats" with sexual innuendo and goaded him on at every turn. Was he supposed to think that they weren't playing and she wasn't liking it when all of her actions were sexual banter/advances; especially given their history over the past weeks? Not at a single point did she ask him to stop. If Big Brother hadn't called him to the diary room, they probably would have ended up having sex. Again, when he said "I'll finish you"; something that's been put out as one of his "threats", she replied "I bet I'll finish you quicker". That definitely sounds like something that someone feeling threatened would say. Not to mention, that they both knew that they were being filmed and were in a live TV studio with plenty of other people and that there would be intervention before anything criminal happened.

Let's also not forget the fact that after this whole debacle, she spent the whole night sleeping in the same room as him, talking, etc. And for some of you to bring out "Battered Woman's Syndrome" as a defense of that is just horrendous. That's not something that occurs acutely but rather through long chronic abuse in which the woman gains dependence and fears the loss of her partner more than being abused. This is not the type of relationship Hazel and Daley had, nor were they even in a real relationship at all.:thumbs:

[smeagol]

the facts are he crossed the line and should of been removed straight away not next day.
one minute they were having fun the next he is in serious psycho mode. i dont think she could work out if he was joking still or not. he went too far and beyond
no one should be sticking up for him. there is no excuse or normality in what he said and done. that's just psycho .

the whole slappin & pulling down trouser thing yeah all thats fun messing about both of them thats what people do. but the threatening to nut someone hold em down etc is not.

[bez87]

the facts are he crossed the line and should of been removed straight away not next day.
one minute they were having fun the next he is in serious psycho mode. i dont think she could work out if he was joking still or not. he went too far and beyond
no one should be sticking up for him. there is no excuse or normality in what he said and done. that's just psycho .

the whole slappin & pulling down trouser thing yeah all thats fun messing about both of them thats what people do. but the threatening to nut someone hold em down etc is not.

Completely agree

[Cherie]

I'm tired leave me alone. lol

Aw sorry I know it was a typo just made me laugh.

[bez87]

Aw sorry I know it was a typo just made me laugh.

made me laugh when i read it back.

[Stankleberry]

one of the worst post's I have ever read!


It is the truth. This is how almost all men acted not very many years ago. Hazel knew exactly what she was doing.

[Niamh.]

It is the truth. This is how almost all men acted not very many years ago. Hazel knew exactly what she was doing.

What? When are you talking about? medieval times lol

[MTVN]

The good old days when men could pin their women to the bed and keep their heads held high

[Niamh.]

The good old days when men could pin their women to the bed and keep their heads held high

:laugh2:

[thesheriff443]

the facts are he crossed the line and should of been removed straight away not next day.
one minute they were having fun the next he is in serious psycho mode. i dont think she could work out if he was joking still or not. he went too far and beyond
no one should be sticking up for him. there is no excuse or normality in what he said and done. that's just psycho .

the whole slappin & pulling down trouser thing yeah all thats fun messing about both of them thats what people do. but the threatening to nut someone hold em down etc is not.

another great post:xyxwave:

[Cherie]

The good old days when men could pin their women to the bed and keep their heads held high

Ah yes, those were the days.:joker:

[Niamh.]

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

:worship:

[thesheriff443]

The good old days when men could pin their women to the bed and keep their heads held high

I just know your thinking of sallie when you wrote this:joker:

[thesheriff443]

as to members questioning why she went back to bed, im sure there where many emotion's running thru her mind!, a large amount of shock and disbelief, and wanting the morning to come round very quickly.

[Niamh.]

as to members questioning why she went back to bed, im sure there where many emotion's running thru her mind!, a large amount of shock and disbelief, and wanting to morning to come round very quickly.

mmhhmm, also maybe she was thinking, Am I over reacting?, or maybe If I cause a fuss and ask to leave the safe house it'll be my fault if he gets in more trouble........ people don't know what was going on in her head but what we do know is what we saw and heard Daley do and say to her, that should be more than enough evidence that he crossed a line

[CaudleHalbard]

mmhhmm, also maybe she was thinking, Am I over reacting?, or maybe If I cause a fuss and ask to leave the safe house it'll be my fault if he gets in more trouble........ people don't know what was going on in her head but what we do know is what we saw and heard Daley do and say to her, that should be more than enough evidence that he crossed a line

She knew she was part of the problem but she might be able to go into victim mode if she played her cards right.

I do think Hazel does have evil inside..... as she said on her own VT. I took particular note of her and Daley during the interview task. Daley's eyes were like a puppy's. Hazel's were quite scary.

In terms of gameplaying, she has done quite well so far.

Anyway Daley has gone and 100% rightly so. There is no point discussing him: he behaved like a drunken lout.

All that remains to discuss is whether Hazel's punishment was sufficient. I personally don't think it was. In addition to the warning she should have been automatically put up for nomination every week until the end of the series. Let the public decide!

[Niamh.]

She knew she was part of the problem but she might be able to go into victim mode if she played her cards right.

I do think Hazel does have evil inside..... as she said on her own VT. I took particular note of her and Daley during the interview task. Daley's eyes were like a puppy's. Hazel's were quite scary.

In terms of gameplaying, she has done quite well so far.

Anyway Daley has gone and 100% rightly so. There is no point discussing him: he behaved like a drunken lout.

All that remains to discuss is whether Hazel's punishment was sufficient. I personally don't think it was. In addition to the warning she should have been automatically put up for nomination every week until the end of the series. Let the public decide!

But she didn't "go into victim mode" God I can't believe people are calling Hazel evil because of what her eyes look like after, she'd basically been assaulted, jesus

[Bbviewersince2000]

His actions were aggressive and threatening, but at no point did Hazel tell him to stop or express her concern, even cuddling him after. They had no choice but to evict him after behaviour like that and hazel looked visibly upset in the diary room, but she didn't show this to daley, well not that we have seen.

[the truth]

I thought her actions were passive aggressive too.....she scared me just as much as him with the way she went out of her way to tire him, tease him, slap his backside, pull his pants down on live tv, humiliate him and his family, demand boob hugs endlessly? she actually preyed on him as he was mentally weaker and hes clearly not bright. she deliberately went out of her way to tire him, irritate him and get this reaction. he was wrong what he did, but so was she

[Marc]

He just turned bat crazy...

[CaudleHalbard]

I have no doubt in my mind that Hazel has a greater propensity for evil of the two. Just because she speaks with a soft Irish accent, and Daley speaks like a bro from the hood doesn't alter that.

Much is being made of Daley's hands on her throat. I do not believe he would have taken it any further. He wanted to scare her into silence... and to a minor extent he succeeded. But even then she wasn't all that scared.

Hazel meekly accepted her punishment when she was called to the DR. She is probably quietly relieved she wasn't kicked out of the house for her behaviour.

If she really thought she was being abused she would have screamed her protests at BB.

[Niamh.]

I have no doubt in my mind that Hazel has a greater propensity for evil of the two. Just because she speaks with a soft Irish accent, and Daley speaks like a bro from the hood doesn't alter that.

Much is being made of Daley's hands on her throat. I do not believe he would have taken it any further. He wanted to scare her into silence... and to a minor extent he succeeded. But even then she wasn't all that scared.

Hazel meekly accepted her punishment when she was called to the DR. She is probably quietly relieved she wasn't kicked out of the house for her behaviour.

If she really thought she was being abused she would have screamed her protests at BB.

Oh please, what kind of "evil" are you talking about that you think she's capable of? Serial killer perhaps? And seriously, all he wanted to do was "scare her into silence" was it? Yeah cos normal people do that all the time :rolleyes:

[CaudleHalbard]

Oh please, what kind of "evil" are you talking about that you think she's capable of? Serial killer perhaps? And seriously, all he wanted to do was "scare her into silence" was it? Yeah cos normal people do that all the time :rolleyes:

There are different levels of evil. I was merely using the word Hazel used to describe herself!

She is probably used to rough sex and it will not be the first time hands have been put around her throat. Her "fear" started when BB called Daley to the DR. At that point she remembered the cameras were on her...................

Sorry to be cynical about Hazel, but I am immune to her charms! ;)

I think Daley behaved badly and it is right he should be booted. It will be interesting to see his interview with Emma.

[Stankleberry]

She is probably used to rough sex and it will not be the first time hands have been put around her throat. Her "fear" started when BB called Daley to the DR. At that point she remembered the cameras were on her...................

Sorry to be cynical about Hazel, but I am immune to her charms! ;)



Yes, this is correct I think. She kept goading him further, she could have stopped the whole thing at any point. She loved it.

[Niamh.]

There are different levels of evil. I was merely using the word Hazel used to describe herself!

She is probably used to rough sex and it will not be the first time hands have been put around her throat. Her "fear" started when BB called Daley to the DR. At that point she remembered the cameras were on her...................

Sorry to be cynical about Hazel, but I am immune to her charms! ;)

I think Daley behaved badly and it is right he should be booted. It will be interesting to see his interview with Emma.

I feel like I'm repeating myself alot but anyway, ok lets assume they're into rough sex and role play for a minute, do you really think that they'd be testing eachother boundaries of that out on national TV without having even slept with eachother once before? I really don't think so.

[Miranda123]

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

Look, I havent seen anyone on here defending him

They are just trying to point out that she was complict in all that happened, knowing he was drunk and starting a \play fight' that she knew he didnt want

I wouldnt do that with my partner if he wanted to sleep, but to do it to a guy you barely know, who has already said things to you that make you uncomfortable (as she told Charle)

Im sorry, but she was ACTUALLY asking for it, literally, when she said, I am not afraid of aggressive men, WTF?? She was actually asking???

[Niamh.]

Look, I havent seen anyone on here defending him

They are just trying to point out that she was complict in all that happened, knowing he was drunk and starting a \play fight' that she knew he didnt want

I wouldnt do that with my partner if he wanted to sleep, but to do it to a guy you barely know, who has already said things to you that make you uncomfortable (as she told Charle)

Im sorry, but she was ACTUALLY asking for it, literally, when she said, I am not afraid of aggressive men, WTF?? She was actually asking???

Oh wow I suppose you blame victims of rape if they're not dressed appropriately too

[Miranda123]

I feel like I'm repeating myself alot but anyway, ok lets assume they're into rough sex and role play for a minute, do you really think that they'd be testing eachother boundaries of that out on national TV without having even slept with eachother once before? I really don't think so.

She has been testing boundaries with him since she first threw herself on him

The way she has been touching him inappropriately and rubbing herself up against him while he has been asking her not to (to save embarrassment) is a sure sign that she has NO boundaries on tv or otherwise

Sorry but the girl is not blameless in this and the crowd will let all housemates know that on Friday

GET HAZEL OUT

[Niamh.]

She has been testing boundaries with him since she first threw herself on him

The way she has been touching him inappropriately and rubbing herself up against him while he has been asking her not to (to save embarrassment) is a sure sign that she has NO boundaries on tv or otherwise

Sorry but the girl is not blameless in this and the crowd will let all housemates know that on Friday

GET HAZEL OUT

I bet they won't.

[Miranda123]

his actions were aggressive and threatening, but at no point did hazel tell him to stop or express her concern, even cuddling him after. They had no choice but to evict him after behaviour like that and hazel looked visibly upset in the diary room, but she didn't show this to daley, well not that we have seen.

she was only upset cause she realised that we all see her for what she is

she didnt get upset at all until he was called to the diary room

[susie q]

The problem is by supporting Daley it sends out the message that his behaviour was acceptable and that he doesnt need to change attitude towards women in general, from his seriel cheating through to his abusive streak. He also acted like a typical abuser by blaming Hazel/alcohol etc he didnt even take 50percent of the blame. He really does have deep seated problems. The scary thing is that there are some children involved! He is not a
great model for them. I also think that he may have gone for other housemates who crossed him particularly when drunk. It was right that he was removed it should have been done immediately.

[the truth]

Oh please, what kind of "evil" are you talking about that you think she's capable of? Serial killer perhaps? And seriously, all he wanted to do was "scare her into silence" was it? Yeah cos normal people do that all the time :rolleyes:

murder isn't the only evil in the world.....99.99% of evil is far more subtle in the way it destroys people. her behaviour was evil

[the truth]

The problem is by supporting Daley it sends out the message that his behaviour was acceptable and that he doesnt need to change attitude towards women in general, from his seriel cheating through to his abusive streak. He also acted like a typical abuser by blaming Hazel/alcohol etc he didnt even take 50percent of the blame. He really does have deep seated problems. The scary thing is that there are some children involved! He is not a
great model for them. I also think that he may have gone for other housemates who crossed him particularly when drunk. It was right that he was removed it should have been done immediately.

this is the problem in PC UK....we are banned from discussing this, which is wrong. everyone says daley is bad and rightly booted. that topic is over. what were discussing is what should hazels punishment have been

[the truth]

Oh wow I suppose you blame victims of rape if they're not dressed appropriately too

that's a disgusting outrageous thing to say. totally out of proportion and way ott

[Beso]

she was only upset cause she realised that we all see her for what she is

she didnt get upset at all until he was called to the diary room

Which was about 3 seconds after he threatened to headbutt her while snarling inches from her face.

[bez87]

I honestly can not believe people are putting the blame onto Hazel, like she made him do it, and no she was scared before BB intervened, the moment he slapped her on the arse was the moment it changed for her, you could see it in her face, she had already asked for a hug to calm the situation down, he was having non of it, she then did a silly thing and pulled his pants down to try and make humour of a sour few moments, he then went on to threaten her, she moved to the side he got his quilt and then he went back and grabbed her by the throat and threatened her, then BB stepped in immediately, how can you say she was not scared before hand, just watch it, jesus some people are crazy.

[the truth]

I honestly can not believe people are putting the blame onto Hazel, like she made him do it, and no she was scared before BB intervened, the moment he slapped her on the arse was the moment it changed for her, you could see it in her face, she had already asked for a hug to calm the situation down, he was having non of it, she then did a silly thing and pulled his pants down to try and make humour of a sour few moments, he then went on to threaten her, she moved to the side he got his quilt and then he went back and grabbed her by the throat and threatened her, then BB stepped in immediately, how can you say she was not scared before hand, just watch it, jesus some people are crazy.

theyre not. they are simply saying daley was a disgrace and deserved the boot, but she was also a disgrace.

[lily.]

I think his actions were unacceptable long before he grabbed her by the throat but she wasnt afraid at all points in the incident.

I think she was disturbed when he had her by the neck, but regardless of whether she was or wasn't, I totally agree that his actions were unacceptable throughout.

That being said, I think her actions were also unacceptable when she pulled his shorts down. Had he done that to her and she was commando, I think he'd have been booted out. So, what's the difference. She exposed him against his will. For that, she should have been ejected.

[the truth]

I think she was disturbed when he had her by the neck, but regardless of whether she was or wasn't, I totally agree that his actions were unacceptable throughout.

That being said, I think her actions were also unacceptable when she pulled his shorts down. Had he done that to her and she was commando, I think he'd have been booted out. So, what's the difference. She exposed him against his will. For that, she should have been ejected.

100% agreed,thats a very fair post,, bravo:wavey:

[lily.]

Look, I havent seen anyone on here defending him

They are just trying to point out that she was complict in all that happened, knowing he was drunk and starting a \play fight' that she knew he didnt want

I wouldnt do that with my partner if he wanted to sleep, but to do it to a guy you barely know, who has already said things to you that make you uncomfortable (as she told Charle)

Im sorry, but she was ACTUALLY asking for it, literally, when she said, I am not afraid of aggressive men, WTF?? She was actually asking???

Asking for it? So saying she's not afraid of him equates to asking to be choked and spoken to like she's worthless?

I totally disagree.

And, I don't think Niamh was far off the mark when she compared that statement to people saying rape victims are asking for it by how they dress etc.

There's a culture to blame the victims in these situations. Daley put his hands around her throat and verbally threatened to nut her. No matter what events led up to that, it was wrong, and the only person to be blamed for bad behaviour is the person who is behaving badly. There is no justification for what he did. Fact.

We can argue back and forth about Hazel's behaviour. A lot of her behaviour has been wrong also. And, for that, she's to blame. But to blame her for Daley's behaviour is dangerous. He's a grown man and has to take responsibility for his own actions. In my view, he doesn't seem to be able to do that. It's possibly a lack of intelligence, but it's disturbing that so many viewers are reinforcing his opinion that it's okay to behave this way.

[the truth]

men like daley need to beware of such women. he also needs to control himself far better. he should have gone straight to big brother and say hes not happy with her behaviour. sadly BB should have stepped in at that stage.

[arista]

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Beauty and the Beast

[arista]

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No Daley you went beyond kinky there


He can go to the Daily Mirror or a sunday paper
not the star or express, though

[lily.]

men like daley need to beware of such women. he also needs to control himself far better. he should have gone straight to big brother and say hes not happy with her behaviour. sadly BB should have stepped in at that stage.

If he wasn't happy with her behaviour, yes, he should have gone to BB. He had that option. However, he chose a different option, and now he's paying for that choice.

[CaudleHalbard]

Hazel could have gone to BB and complained when her bum got slapped. It clearly hurt and at that point anyone with two brain cells to rub together might have thought it's time to call a halt to all the antics and just go to sleep.

But she didn't did she? ;)

[Niamh.]

Hazel could have gone to BB and complained when her bum got slapped. It clearly hurt and at that point anyone with two brain cells to rub together might have thought it's time to call a halt to all the antics and just go to sleep.

But she didn't did she? ;)

So therefore she deserved to be choked and threatened?.......................

[lily.]

CaudleHalbard, are you male or female?

Either way, it's bad. If you're male and think it's okay to do that to a girl, I feel sorry for any girl who spends time with you. If you're female and think it's okay for a guy to turn full-on crazy and choke you, I feel sorry for you.

[Livia]

So therefore she deserved to be choked and threatened?.......................

Seriously... I can hardly believe some of the stuff that's been written here. And we've all seen some unacceptable stuff written on here during previous BBs... but this takes the biscuit for me.

[CaudleHalbard]

Was it Daley who said "Go for it" after some aggressive talk?

Oh sorry, my mistake, it was Hazel wasn't it! Silly me! :rolleyes:

[Vicky.]

I think she showed she was beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable when she mentioned security..if it was all just playing, then security wouldnt have entered her mind.

[lily.]

Was it Daley who said "Go for it" after some aggressive talk?

Oh sorry, my mistake, it was Hazel wasn't it! Silly me! :rolleyes:

Oh of course.. I completely forgot that 'go for it' means 'Feel free to choke me and talk to me like I'm dirt on your shoe whilst threatening to headbutt me. I'm totally fine with that.'

My mistake.

[GiRTh]

She said 'go for it' after he made a comment about how unpleasant he could be when he got angry.

This is my point entirely, her actions and comments need to be explained. Im, sorry and I don't care if I endure the wrath of the female forum members but in the cold light of day comments like 'Go for it and 'I'm not afraid of aggressive men ' could be misinterpreted. She was very silly to try and escalate the situation if she was as scared as some say.

[kefln]

She said 'go for it' after he made a comment about how unpleasant he could be when he got angry.

This is my point entirely, her actions and comments need to be explained. Im, sorry and I don't care if I endure the wrath of the female forum members but in the cold light of day comments like 'Go for it and 'I'm not afraid of aggressive men ' could be misinterpreted. She was very silly to try and escalate the situation if she was as scared as some say.

Misinterpreted?

Misinterpreted is a miss communication. A trained fighter forcing a girl to lie down with his fist around her neck is not a misinterpretation, its a completely different language.

[MTVN]

I would think that "I'm not afraid of aggressive men" should be a pretty damning indictment of his actions, it should imply to him that he was being aggressive and his behaviour could be seen as frightening but she didn't want to let herself seem powerless so went on the defensive, there was a lot of tension there but it wasn't sexual. Unlike a lot of people I actually don't think Hazel was trying to be flirtatious at all either, more that she was quite concerned and threatened early on in the incident but didn't want to lose control over the situation

[GiRTh]

Misinterpreted?

Misinterpreted is a miss communication. A trained fighter forcing a girl to lie down with his fist around her neck is not a misinterpretation, its a completely different language.

I have said a number of times that Daley actions are deplorable. I'm not coming down on either side. Every comment I've made today is about Hazel and how I think the events in the video and the things she said can be interpreted in a number of ways ,so I dont know what you're trying to say in your post.

[kefln]

I would think that "I'm not afraid of aggressive men" should be a pretty damning indictment of his actions, it should imply to him that he was being aggressive and his behaviour could be seen as frightening but she didn't want to let herself seem powerless so went on the defensive, there was a lot of tension there but it wasn't sexual. Unlike a lot of people I actually don't think Hazel was trying to be flirtatious at all either, more that she was quite concerned and threatened early on in the incident but didn't want to lose control over the situation

Thats my thinking too.

It was evident that she had lost "control" of the situation. She tried a couple of times to bring it back. Some attempts were less than successful. But its important to remember, that up until this point, they as a couple were quite close.

Daley was getting steadily more aggressive. She was holding her own, still playing it down. Right up until he said that he could end her. Because she replied in kind. You could see the confusion in his face. She was standing up to him and he couldnt work out, at that point, what it all meant. So he gained control by the use of his fists.

He forced her into the pillow, and reminded her that he could hurt her, if he wanted too.

BB intervened and she couldnt get out of the bed fast enough.

[susie q]

In response to "the truth" Apologies for forgetting to put My views on Hazels punishment.
It was right that she was warned, but that was enough. However the comment about being PC was unwarranted, I was merely stating my view On Daleys part in the incident,
as an ex-casualty nurse I have dealt with the end results of such behaviour far to often.
I also hope he gets help for his own sake. In the meantime I will put forward the idea that any debate about domestic abuse can only be a good thing. Laying the blame at Hazels door I will leave to others.

[the truth]

Thats my thinking too.

It was evident that she had lost "control" of the situation. She tried a couple of times to bring it back. Some attempts were less than successful. But its important to remember, that up until this point, they as a couple were quite close.

Daley was getting steadily more aggressive. She was holding her own, still playing it down. Right up until he said that he could end her. Because she replied in kind. You could see the confusion in his face. She was standing up to him and he couldnt work out, at that point, what it all meant. So he gained control by the use of his fists.

He forced her into the pillow, and reminded her that he could hurt her, if he wanted too.

BB intervened and she couldnt get out of the bed fast enough.

this is all true and he rightly was booted out, but it also misses out crucial factors such as her role in escalating the situation...she should also be judged as her actions were pretty deplorable

[GypsyGoth]

this is all true and he rightly was booted out, but it also misses out crucial factors such as her role in escalating the situation...she should also be judged as her actions were pretty deplorable

No surprise to see a misogynist like yourself side the ones trying to justify the abuse.

[Samuel.]

Not defending Daley, seems he was fairly kicked out, but if somebody has a different opinion on the situation they ".. need to seriously re-assess their life."? ... really?

Would've been branded as a ridiculous thread had someone lesser well liked posted it.

[Tribal Spaceman]

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

[Niamh.]

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

They weren't actually having sex..............or never had

[Tribal Spaceman]

They weren't actually having sex..............or never had

Love life, then. Don't be pedantic.

[kefln]

this is all true and he rightly was booted out, but it also misses out crucial factors such as her role in escalating the situation...she should also be judged as her actions were pretty deplorable

Attempting to sexually engage someone that has been chasing you for a few weeks is not a deplorable act.

As haley had no idea that daley was capable of grabbing a girl by the throat and "nutting" her, then up until things got uncomfortable, she was escalating a sexual relationship with a friend. Nothing more.

Blaming a girl for flirting, both mentally and physically, with a guy, without the knowledge that he is capable of such actions, is wrong.

Haley is not responsible for daleys reactions, no more than dan is responsible for the crowds booing wolfie. Sure some of his comments annoyed her, but how she dealt with the situation is completely on her. Its the same for anyone

[Niamh.]

Love life, then. Don't be pedantic.

Pedantic really? People grab eachother by the throat and threaten to "nut them" whilst "courting" in your world, do they? ...............

[GypsyGoth]

Not defending Daley, seems he was fairly kicked out, but if somebody has a different opinion on the situation they ".. need to seriously re-assess their life."? ... really?

Would've been branded as a ridiculous thread had someone lesser well liked posted it.

Lily's popularity has nothing to do with this.

What Daley did was wrong, it's not something open to interpretation, like people having different opinions on a painting. This act, his threatening to headbutt her and jerking his forehead towards her face while she is pinned by his hand on her throat, is not acceptable in society.

People who condone it or try to justify it are in the wrong. If a thread like this helps people re-evaluate their stance on the subject then it's one of the best threads on the subject here.

[anne666]

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

This

[Tribal Spaceman]

They weren't actually having sex..............or never had

There's no need to be pedantic.

It was a weird roleplay scenario, straight out of one of those kinky novels they sell in supermarkets. Was it uncomfortable to watch? Very. Was it threatening behaviour? No way. It was a two-way thing and Hazel only changed tack once Big Brother called Daley away and made it into an issue.

I should point out that I'm not a fan of either of them, and have wanted them both gone for a while now, but to make Daley out to be some violent thug while Hazel is seen as the victim is all kinds of wrong.

[GypsyGoth]

Love life, then. Don't be pedantic.

I guess you and your partner exchanging headbutts while making love is the norm? :rolleyes:

[Marc]

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

What on earth are you on about

[kefln]

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

Im willing to bet most couples dont grab each other by the throat, force their partner into the pillows and threaten to "nut" them...

Especially couples that up to that point had never even shared a kiss. Never mind a sex life.

I cant imagine that any couples first "romantic" private moment involve physical abuse and threats of bodily harm.

And suggesting thst what we saw last night was, in anyway, "normal", well..

[Niamh.]

There's no need to be pedantic.

It was a weird roleplay scenario, straight out of one of those kinky novels they sell in supermarkets. Was it uncomfortable to watch? Very. Was it threatening behaviour? No way. It was a two-way thing and Hazel only changed tack once Big Brother called Daley away and made it into an issue.

I should point out that I'm not a fan of either of them, and have wanted them both gone for a while now, but to make Daley out to be some violent thug while Hazel is seen as the victim is all kinds of wrong.

No you're wrong. People who've never even slept together don't generally break into that sort of role play without some sort of discussion about it first. This is real life not a porn film

[Tribal Spaceman]

No, you're completely wrong. This has been building up for weeks and the producers shouldn't have encouraged it.

I didn't say it was "normal", it's just not uncommon. Some of the things people get off on in a sexual way seriously baffle me, but I'm not going to judge them as we are all different.

[Samuel.]

Lily's popularity has nothing to do with this.

What Daley did was wrong, it's not something open to interpretation, like people having different opinions on a painting. This act, his threatening to headbutt her and jerking his forehead towards her face while she is pinned by his hand on her throat, is not acceptable in society.

People who condone it or try to justify it are in the wrong. If a thread like this helps people re-evaluate their stance on the subject then it's one of the best threads on the subject here.

I agree to an extent, but nobody on here has the right to tell people what they can or can not think about anything. Everything really is open to opinion.

Telling anybody they need to reassess their life is outrageous, especially over a Big Brother-related topic.

[Niamh.]

No, you're completely wrong. This has been building up for weeks and the producers shouldn't have encouraged it.

I didn't say it was "normal", it's just not uncommon. Some of the things people get off on in a sexual way seriously baffle me, but I'm not going to judge them as we are all different.

People who are into role playing like that would discuss it first, you have to find out what peoples boundaries are before grabbing them by the neck and threatening to head butt them. It was quite clear Hazel was uncomfortable with that............as would most people. there's been sexual tension building up between them for sure but I don't see how the producers or anyone else could have predicted this turn of events

[Cherie]

What on earth are you on about

I would have thought it was obvious, you need to broaden your foreplay to include threatening behaviour, spice it up here and there with a head butt and a bucketload of abusive language. I hope you now know where you have been going wrong all these years :laugh:

[reece(:]

Yes, this is correct I think. She kept goading him further, she could have stopped the whole thing at any point. She loved it.

I've now concluded that you're a troll, she loved getting a man's hands around her neck in a threatening way? I just can't with some members here.

[Northern Monkey]

He's an idiot!You can't grab a womans throat or threaten to nut her on national tv,role playing or not.He can't handle his drink and he took it too far and should have realised he would be kicked out.No sympathy for him at all.

[bez87]

There's no need to be pedantic.

It was a weird roleplay scenario, straight out of one of those kinky novels they sell in supermarkets. Was it uncomfortable to watch? Very. Was it threatening behaviour? No way. It was a two-way thing and Hazel only changed tack once Big Brother called Daley away and made it into an issue.

I should point out that I'm not a fan of either of them, and have wanted them both gone for a while now, but to make Daley out to be some violent thug while Hazel is seen as the victim is all kinds of wrong.

how do you work that one out, their was no roleplay involved on daleys side, for me daley was out right peed off, because she wasn't respecting him, he even told her when she came in that she had to go to sleep, he was very controling, this was no way shape or form role play. Hazel was trying to be funny about it, and make it into a sexual thing, Daley had no idea and was so outraged that she would undermine him with the quilt/cover.

I've had rough play and threatening play but their is always a point to it, there's always the feeling and showing of s*x, in Daleys case there was nothing but anger.

[Vicky.]

To me..theres a difference between enjoying rough sex and what happened last night. Hazel clearly was not comfortable with it right towards the end, yes she seemed to be enjoying it before that but no-one knows for sure. For all we know she could have been playing along in the hope he got no worse, she did mention security at one point which I am inclined to think was a kind of cry for help.

I do, however, think she would have had sex with him had he chosen to kiss her at the point where she said 'I would finish you first'. As at that point I still think she was a bit confused about if he was playing or not, and kissing her would have meant he was playing (in her head at least)

However once it crossed over into hands on her neck and threatening to headbutt her, it was clear to her that he was NOT playing. And thats when she became very uncomfortable and threatened.

[GypsyGoth]

I agree to an extent, but nobody on here has the right to tell people what they can or can not think about anything. Everything really is open to opinion.

Telling anybody they need to reassess their life is outrageous, especially over a Big Brother-related topic.

This is a forum and within the rules people can say anything to one another. Telling someone to reassess their lives because they try to justify abuse, well that seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Maybe if the guys supporting Daley, thought of their sisters or moms being pinned and almost headbutted, well maybe then they would reassess their opinion on what happened.

[anne666]

Reading some of the comments on here suggests sad cheap porn viewing by many.

[Niamh.]

He's an idiot!You can't grab a womans throat or threaten to nut her on national tv,role playing or not.He can't handle his drink and he took it too far and should have realised he would be kicked out.No sympathy for him at all.

Welcome to TiBB, great first post :love:

[Niamh.]

To me..theres a difference between enjoying rough sex and what happened last night. Hazel clearly was not comfortable with it right towards the end, yes she seemed to be enjoying it before that but no-one knows for sure. For all we know she could have been playing along in the hope he got no worse, she did mention security at one point which I am inclined to think was a kind of cry for help.

I do, however, think she would have had sex with him had he chosen to kiss her at the point where she said 'I would finish you first'. As at that point I still think she was a bit confused about if he was playing or not, and kissing her would have meant he was playing (in her head at least)

However once it crossed over into hands on her neck and threatening to headbutt her, it was clear to her that he was NOT playing. And thats when she became very uncomfortable and threatened.

Exactly spot on.

[Niamh.]

Reading some of the comments on here suggests sad cheap porn viewing by many.

lol it certainly does

[Samuel.]

This is a forum and within the rules people can say anything to one another. Telling someone to reassess their lives because they try to justify abuse, well that seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Maybe if the guys supporting Daley, thought of their sisters or moms being pinned and almost headbutted, well maybe then they would reassess their opinion on what happened.

I don't think anybody is justifying abuse though, rather if they believe it to be abuse in the first place. Which is up to interpretation.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.
while i agree with that.. aha.
I'm sure if they were having sex.. and he didn't say he'd nut her one, it wouldn't have ended this badly, he wasn't planning to have sex with her, i honestly feared for her safety.

[YodaBB]

I don't think anybody is justifying abuse though, rather if they believe it to be abuse in the first place. Which is up to interpretation.

I don't think it is up for interruption to be fair, holding anybody, male or female to their neck & threatening to nut them (headbutt them) in such an aggressive way is abuse. Especially with his head closing in on hers

[Jesus.]

Pedantic really? People grab eachother by the throat and threaten to "nut them" whilst "courting" in your world, do they? ...............

This is me reading TIBB and discovering a subculture of sexual violence.

-kl4hJ4j48s

[Northern Monkey]

Welcome to TiBB, great first post :love:

Thank you!!:blush:

[anne666]

This is me reading TIBB and discovering a subculture of sexual violence.

-kl4hJ4j48s

The internet is a wonderful thing LOL

[Niamh.]

This is me reading TIBB and discovering a subculture of sexual violence.

-kl4hJ4j48s

:laugh:

[GiRTh]

This is me reading TIBB and discovering a subculture of sexual violence.

-kl4hJ4j48s:worship: You should read the BBUK twitter feed.

[Tribal Spaceman]

I don't think anyone is condoning aggressive behaviour or violence. Many of us simply don't believe that situation was 'real', that's all.

Without going into details I've experienced domestic abuse myself, and I honestly didn't see anything in Hazel's body language to suggest she was actually frightened of Daley. Nothing anyone says on here will convince me otherwise, so I'm not going to waste time on here arguing with you fine folk about it. I'd rather talk about Queen Gina, to be honest. :)

This should be Hazel's eviction song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHnSbSpJCw

[Livia]

I don't think anyone is condoning aggressive behaviour or violence. Many of us simply don't believe that situation was 'real', that's all.

Without going into details I've experienced domestic abuse myself, and I honestly didn't see anything in Hazel's body language to suggest she was actually frightened of Daley. Nothing anyone says on here will convince me otherwise, so I'm not going to waste time on here arguing with you fine folk about it. I'd rather talk about Queen Gina, to be honest. :)

This should be Hazel's eviction song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHnSbSpJCw

No one needs to convince you. Legally, he assaulted her. There isn't anything else to say.

[Novo]

i think there might be something else to say

[Jesus.]

I don't think anyone is condoning aggressive behaviour or violence. Many of us simply don't believe that situation was 'real', that's all.

Without going into details I've experienced domestic abuse myself, and I honestly didn't see anything in Hazel's body language to suggest she was actually frightened of Daley. Nothing anyone says on here will convince me otherwise, so I'm not going to waste time on here arguing with you fine folk about it. I'd rather talk about Queen Gina, to be honest. :)

This should be Hazel's eviction song.
VQHnSbSpJCw

Just wanted to see what song it was.


*Now I've seen it.

Wow - really clever.

[Livia]

i think there might be something else to say

What I meant by that statement is, there is no defence against striking someone.

[rusticgal]

I really doubt there was any intention to harm. Not a Daley fan at all, but the bit that swayed it for me was when, standing above her, he stops to ask if she wants him to be aggressive, clarifying beforehand that he'd never hit her, as though saying "I'm all bark and no bite". She in turn then eggs him on as though sexually excited by it all. Not to everyone's taste, and people may understandably not be fans of domination and the like, but he seemed to be establishing safety in what is otherwise aggressive foreplay.

This...

[reece(:]

Was it ****** aggressive foreplay.....

[CaudleHalbard]

Was it ****** aggressive foreplay.....

What, in your experience, is aggressive foreplay then? :)

[optimisticcynic]

"She was being playful", "she was trying to control a dangerous situation", and my fave , "he assaulted her - FACT".
He was trying to go to sleep - what out of control situation was she rescuing from this "aggressor" by robbing his duvet and taunting him? She also hit him first but when he slaps her arse, that's where the counter begins. Of course it may have hurt. He's built like a brick sh&&house - drunken flirting arse slapping will likely be overdone but not necessarily maliciously. She also sexually assaulted him and pulled down his pants but let's ignore that. She also moved as though to headbutt him when she said she didn't fear aggressive men and would finish him quicker. He reciprocates like a bellend, and he's suddenly posterboy for "domestic abuse". Ridiculous. They both got carried away, were pretty irresponsible considering the clear emotional loading of watchers of the show and they should both be out. And would the histrionic amongst us please stop claiming everyone else is justifying abuse. Noone is. We're mostly saying we're unconvinced this was actually intent to harm, but sexual roleplay gone wrong and planned very badly. P.S I can't stand either of them anyway.

[reece(:]

What, in your experience, is aggressive foreplay then? :)
Anyone, kinky or not, knows that using a horrid tone and saying deep threats before clutching at someone's neck is not in anyway a sexual advance. The only foreplay was coming from Hazel (evident from Daley acting strange when he swore on his child's life) and that ceased when she realised he was acting menacing.

[optimisticcynic]

Anyone, kinky or not, knows that using a horrid tone and saying deep threats before clutching at someone's neck is not in anyway a sexual advance. The only foreplay was coming from Hazel (evident from Daley acting strange when he swore on his child's life) and that ceased when she realised he was acting menacing.

Remarkable assumption but an invalid one. Lots of people associate aggression with sex and have very fulfilling existences. You may not approve/partake or even run in such circles but it doesn't make them bad/good. Problem arises when tastes distinctly differ.

[Soniamad]

It is sad to read o many lame excuses made for this guy. Hazel most certainly behaved badly. She has behaved badly throughout. But here is the key difference, and I ask all of you who equate his behaviour with hers to think on this. Daley used his size and strength in attempting to physically intimidate another person. Regardless of gender, regardless of what happened before, no civilized society should ever tolerate that behaviour. If we do, we are no better than animals.

It is very disheartening to see that so many people can't understand that simple point. Indeed Daley himself feels that he doesn't even have to apologise to Hazel, but rather to the viewers. Anybody who saw the true error in their ways would admit that there was NO EXCUSE for what he did.

[reece(:]

Remarkable assumption but an invalid one. Lots of people associate aggression with sex and have very fulfilling existences. You may not approve/partake or even run in such circles but it doesn't make them bad/good. Problem arises when tastes distinctly differ.
If you took Daley's assault on Hazel as aggressive foreplay then I think you've been watching too many homemade DVDs.

[CaudleHalbard]

Anyone, kinky or not, knows that using a horrid tone and saying deep threats before clutching at someone's neck is not in anyway a sexual advance

So you have no personal experience then. Thought not. ;)

[optimisticcynic]

It is sad to read o many lame excuses made for this guy. Hazel most certainly behaved badly. She has behaved badly throughout. But here is the key difference, and I ask all of you who equate his behaviour with hers to think on this. Daley used his size and strength in attempting to physically intimidate another person. Regardless of gender, regardless of what happened before, no civilized society should ever tolerate that behaviour. If we do, we are no better than animals.

It is very disheartening to see that so many people can't understand that simple point. Indeed Daley himself feels that he doesn't even have to apologise to Hazel, but rather to the viewers. Anybody who saw the true error in their ways would admit that there was NO EXCUSE for what he did.

There is nothing he can do that would ever make him smaller or weaker than Hazel so he's pretty much damned from the get-go. And in the context of sexual roleplay, of course he'd use that to dominate her. It's his physical size and strength that she was likely drawn to. Never saw her draping herself over Dexter. In fact if I remember correctly she was mocking his physique to Daley when Dexter streaked.

[Roy Mars III]

Remarkable assumption but an invalid one. Lots of people associate aggression with sex and have very fulfilling existences. You may not approve/partake or even run in such circles but it doesn't make them bad/good. Problem arises when tastes distinctly differ.

but there has to be some sort of understanding and agreement between the two people that sort of thing is about to take place. Both parties would have to want that. Daley can not act that way, without some sort of understanding that Hazel wants him to. And I saw no encouragement from her for him to act that way

[optimisticcynic]

If you took Daley's assault on Hazel as aggressive foreplay then I think you've been watching too many homemade DVDs.

Your dislike of sexual practices or interests does not make them disappear.

[optimisticcynic]

but there has to be some sort of understanding and agreement between the two people that sort of thing is about to take place. Both parties would have to want that. Daley can not act that way, without some sort of understanding that Hazel wants him to. And I saw no encouragement from her for him to act that way

Hi Roy. That's the part, in my opinion, where dexter asked if she wanted him to be aggressive, whilst clearly adding "I'd never actually hit you though but it can be really scary" to which Hazel replied "go for it". They foolishly had still not clarified what each person had envisioned when consenting, but stupidity, lust, alcohol and the fact that they were still pretending it was platonic precluded this.

[reece(:]

So you have no personal experience then. Thought not. ;)
Well you're the only one on here that perceives Daley's violent act as that, says more about you than anyone else.

[optimisticcynic]

Well you're the only one on here that perceives Daley's violent act as that, says more about you than anyone else.

Clearly untrue, even if you only read every fifteenth post.

[reece(:]

Clearly untrue, even if you only read every fifteenth post.
Name the fifteen+ people then.. ? #HopAboardTheDelusionTrain

[Kizzy]

So you have no personal experience then. Thought not. ;)

I see you trying to pass this off as some kind of sexual deviance, daley made no reference to that tonight so why are you still purporting that fallacy?

[optimisticcynic]

Name the fifteen+ people then.. ? #HopAboardTheDelusionTrain

Reece, I can't have a discussion with you if you're not even reading what I write but responding to a conversation you believe we're having.
Kizzy, he's maintained that they were playfighting. Of course the muppet's not going to admit what's clearly been going on - he still claims to love Katie and probably thinks he can win her back. How many good looking, sexually abstinent adults "play fight" without a sexual connotation? This question is rhetorical Reece, so no need to google.

[optimisticcynic]

Sorry, kizzy. It's only a deviance to those that don't like it.

[CaudleHalbard]

I see you trying to pass this off as some kind of sexual deviance, daley made no reference to that tonight so why are you still purporting that fallacy?

I have not used the term deviance at any stage.

Methink some people are reading words which aren't there! :D

[reece(:]

Good lord, never heard such bull**** asinine replies in all my life, atleast try and add to the debate instead of trolling such irrelevant turd about sexual play that only you and Daley seem to apparently know about but are holding in.

[Kizzy]

So what you are saying is you think katie would be more reassured thinking he attacked hazel than if it was some weird sex frolic?....
I despair I really do.

[optimisticcynic]

Good lord, never heard such bull**** asinine replies in all my life, atleast try and add to the debate instead of trolling such irrelevant turd about sexual play that only you and Daley seem to apparently know about but are holding in.

I still await an original valid thought from you Reece, but rest assured I am confident it will one day come. There are more names that share the opinion but maybe reading two posts has exhausted you. Bless.
Kizzy, Daley has never shown himself to be bright, as portrayed by his belief that noone would see through his "friendship" with Hazel, as well as the fact he's claiming to love a girlfriend he denied only days after cavorting with Hazel under a duvet. My impression from his crappy interview is that relationship salvage is main focus presently, and then couple interviews about his "ordeal under Hazel's spell" will then follow. Baffled that Katie seems to be playing along.

[reece(:]

Evidence the names then??? Another resident bull****ter in our midsts it seems.

[optimisticcynic]

Evidence the names then??? Another resident bull****ter in our midsts it seems.

You are very exhausting but I will explain why you are misguided. You told Habard he was the only person on the forum with his view, and I pointed out this was false as there are many of us that while not supporting Daley are able to give him the benefit of the doubt. He was stupid to think his behaviour was appropriate but that doesn't make him an abuser. My statement to you was that there is one such opinion expressed regularly in this thread, hence the nature of debate. Read my post again. I never said there are fifteen people which you are somehow clinging to. Hence my comment if you're not even reading what is written by others, how can you offer valid debate?

[Niamh.]

but there has to be some sort of understanding and agreement between the two people that sort of thing is about to take place. Both parties would have to want that. Daley can not act that way, without some sort of understanding that Hazel wants him to. And I saw no encouragement from her for him to act that way

Exactly and they weren't having sex or leading into having sex, he even said in his interview that he was annoyed, not once did he mention it was sexual or role playing.

[lily.]

Not defending Daley, seems he was fairly kicked out, but if somebody has a different opinion on the situation they ".. need to seriously re-assess their life."? ... really?

Would've been branded as a ridiculous thread had someone lesser well liked posted it.


Did I seriously get an infraction for calling Samuel. an idiot in response to this? I've seen far worse insults thrown around this site.

[amu]

Daleys physical actions were totally unnacceptable, we can all agree on that.

[Shaun]

^...

lol

I just despair. I really do.

[Benjamin]

Lily's popularity has nothing to do with this.

What Daley did was wrong, it's not something open to interpretation, like people having different opinions on a painting. This act, his threatening to headbutt her and jerking his forehead towards her face while she is pinned by his hand on her throat, is not acceptable in society.

People who condone it or try to justify it are in the wrong. If a thread like this helps people re-evaluate their stance on the subject then it's one of the best threads on the subject here.

No, most of you see those people as wrong. Everyone has differing opinions, and yes, they may not be in the majority but still does not make their opinion wrong. We all interpret things differently, you of all people should be aware of that and I thought you would be more accepting of differing opinions.

And this goes to everyone. Again, I am not condoning what Daley did, but this slating and slagging off those that are not seeing the same opinions as most of you is ridiculous and had this been any other subject, a lot more would be done about it (that is not a dig at the mods btw).

[tonster76]

I thought Hazel said, "I'm not afraid" and "come on then". That is after she pulled his pants down and asked him to get into her bed many times

[the truth]

Daleys physical actions were totally unnacceptable, we can all agree on that.

yes everyone here does agree,,a lot of her actions were also unacceptable a lot will agree on that to

[Northern Monkey]

They were both to blame,She inflamed the situation by trying to make him look stupid on TV but he should have just pulled her pants down instead of getting all freaky deaky like he did.

[WozMan]

Daleys physical actions were totally unnacceptable, we can all agree on that.

I agree that his physical actions if done with any malicious or controlling intent or without the permission of the recipient is absolutely wrong.

I also believe that Hazel was STILL laughing and smiling even after Daley put his hand around her throat. In fact it she was saying something to Daley in a relaxed manner while BB was calling Daley to the DR. My considered opinion is that hazel was relaxed until BB called Daly to the DR. It is also my opinion that she gave Daly permission to be sexually aggressive. This was a good step up from mere play fighting of course. My opinion is that it is consentual bondage 'play'

[Kazanne]

No, most of you see those people as wrong. Everyone has differing opinions, and yes, they may not be in the majority but still does not make their opinion wrong. We all interpret things differently, you of all people should be aware of that and I thought you would be more accepting of differing opinions.

And this goes to everyone. Again, I am not condoning what Daley did, but this slating and slagging off those that are not seeing the same opinions as most of you is ridiculous and had this been any other subject, a lot more would be done about it (that is not a dig at the mods btw).

Well said Ben,and I like your boxers btw:evilgrin:

[Niamh.]

I agree that his physical actions if done with any malicious or controlling intent or without the permission of the recipient is absolutely wrong.

I also believe that Hazel was STILL laughing and smiling even after Daley put his hand around her throat. In fact it she was saying something to Daley in a relaxed manner while BB was calling Daley to the DR. My considered opinion is that hazel was relaxed until BB called Daly to the DR. It is also my opinion that she gave Daly permission to be sexually aggressive. This was a good step up from mere play fighting of course. My opinion is that it is consentual bondage 'play'

They never even slept together, it certainly wasn't leading up to them having sex and Daley admitted that he was annoyed and drink fueled so I think we can safely say that it wasn't "consentual bondage 'play'"

[fingers]

I think the real problem here is that many people who post on "Big Brother" forums are possibly a tad prudish and haven't experienced anything like this in real life. The same people who have sex once a month in missionary position for 3 minutes and then roll over and go to sleep and consider that normalcy. I guess it's difficult to be able to identify sexual tension if you've never had it. There's plenty of couples that playfight and choke each other and say "threatening" things to each other without having to sit down and set boundaries beforehand. Some people live in the moment.

If some of you sincerely think that Daley was trying to kill Hazel over a duvet cover, then I just don't know what say. She pulled down his pants; she responded to all of his "threats" with sexual innuendo and goaded him on at every turn. Was he supposed to think that they weren't playing and she wasn't liking it when all of her actions were sexual banter/advances; especially given their history over the past weeks? Not at a single point did she ask him to stop. If Big Brother hadn't called him to the diary room, they probably would have ended up having sex. Again, when he said "I'll finish you"; something that's been put out as one of his "threats", she replied "I bet I'll finish you quicker". That definitely sounds like something that someone feeling threatened would say. Not to mention, that they both knew that they were being filmed and were in a live TV studio with plenty of other people and that there would be intervention before anything criminal happened.

Let's also not forget the fact that after this whole debacle, she spent the whole night sleeping in the same room as him, talking, etc. And for some of you to bring out "Battered Woman's Syndrome" as a defense of that is just horrendous. That's not something that occurs acutely but rather through long chronic abuse in which the woman gains dependence and fears the loss of her partner more than being abused. This is not the type of relationship Hazel and Daley had, nor were they even in a real relationship at all.

You won't get far on here posting sensible accounts!

[WozMan]

They never even slept together
Bondage play does not occur solely during actual sex acts. It also happens as foreplay to stimulate both partners.

it certainly wasn't leading up to them having sex Put up a poll asking where the interaction would have gone had BB not intervened. Several people on here have already said it was foreplay/leading to sex.

Daley admitted that he was annoyed and drink fueled Yes he was quite annoyed when Hazel was outside talking to Charlie and he wanted to get to sleep. When Hazel came in she quickly turned that into flirting with all her talk about cuddles and him being 'rude' for not giving her a cuddle. If a man had behaved like that to a woman he could be charged with sexual harrasment. Not to mention all the other flirting behaviour she demonstrated after that. She got a reaction out of him alright stealing the duvet but once again she made it VERY clearly sexual by pulling down his boxers. He was turned on, not angry.

so I think we can safely say that it wasn't "consentual bondage 'play'" YOU can safely say whatever you want. You are entitled to your opinion and this is a well moderated forum. I can safely say I disagree with your conclusion.