If a male pulled a females pants down?

[the truth]

what would be the consequences?

would BB call him immediately to the diary room?

clearly this is when daley went nuts....BB should have stepped in immediately at that moment to stop the situation getting so out of control

I notice denise welsh did this to the American twins, the twins went nuts about it, yet she got away with it...but if a man invaded a womans boundaries this way and pulled her pants down on live tv, well the reaction would be massive and hed be immediately pulled up , possibly evicted.

double standards. hazel invaded his boundaries big time and BB should have stepped in immediately.

[chuff me dizzy]

EXACTLY !!

[Firewire]

happened with the shannon twins, did it not?

[elliebrew]

Typical always trying to blame the female!

You did the same with Poor Denise in CBB9

ONLY when you hate the person do you find any excuse in the book to bring them down

[HBB1508]

Totally agree with the OP.

[the truth]

happened with the shannon twins, did it not?

yea that's what I just said.....denise welsh pulled their pants down, she also HIT Michael madsen in the face a few times and verbally abused and stalked him for weeks in a bitter drunken stupor.....not only was she not booted, the GREAT british public voted her their winner.....what a biased misandrist double standard male hating sexist culture we now have.....if a male had done half what she did, hed be in prison

[steviebhoy]

Hazel should have been booted out too, no arguements,

Selective editing by C5 for starters, and then Hazel bleeting on to Dan in the BOTS exclusive, she should have gone along with Daley,

and i'm not condoning Daley's behaviour, but Hazel was far from innocent in the whole debacle!!!

[Jesus.]

A man doing it to a woman has very different connotations, because of the way men generally have physical power over women. It crosses a very grey area.

I'm not saying Hazel didn't deserve her warning, but if she'd done that to me, I wouldn't be particularly bothered about it.

[Marc]

She got a warning for it. Not worth throwing out

[the truth]

Typical always trying to blame the female!

You did the same with Poor Denise in CBB9

ONLY when you hate the person do you find any excuse in the book to bring them down

yes poor denise, the violent abusive drunk who hit mike madsen in the face several times and verbally abused him endlessly and of course who tried to pull the pants down of the American twins and duly ran off with a another man after the show....poor innocent little victim

[chuff me dizzy]

Typical always trying to blame the female!

You did the same with Poor Denise in CBB9

ONLY when you hate the person do you find any excuse in the book to bring them down

Nothing to do with blaming the female, Im a female myself ,but she crossed the line that should never be crossed by a man or a woman

[Niamh.]

Totally agree with the OP.

It's never happened so how can you agree with it? They didn't call Daley into the Diary room immediately when he slapped Hazels arse really hard so why assume they would have if Daley jokingly tugged at her pants?

[chuff me dizzy]

yes poor denise, the violent abusive drunk who hit mike madsen in the face several times and verbally abused him endlessly and of course who tried to pull the pants down of the American twins and duly ran off with a another man after the show....poor innocent little victim

She didnt hit him hard enough :idc::wink:

[smeagol]

hazel pulled his pants down they were having fun its what girls do. its what couples do like pillow fights. blimey string her up to a tree pelt her with eggs send her to the gallows lol
crime of the century .

[HBB1508]

It's never happened so how can you agree with it? They didn't call Daley into the Diary room immediately when he slapped Hazels arse really hard so why assume they would have if Daley jokingly tugged at her pants?

I was agreeing that it's double standards that IF Daley had pulled Hazel's pants down on TV that would be unacceptable so why is it ok for Hazel to do that to Daley and nothing is done?

[bez87]

hahahahaha are you joking. pulling his pants down was a bit of fun between 2 people who had been flirting for over a week, who were in a room on the own, not infront of anyone, how can this even be a talking point. she was being playful i'd say the same if daley had done it to her in a playful manner, seeing as tho they probably saw each others bits. and come on BB didn't need to show that part they could of stopped it, it's not like they have no control on whats broadcast even in a live stream their is a delay

[the truth]

hazel pulled his pants down they were having fun its what girls do. its what couples do like pillow fights. blimey string her up to a tree pelt her with eggs send her to the gallows lol
crime of the century .

wrong, this was nasty , she invaded his boundaries to humiliate and degrade him on live national tv , if he had claimed sexual assault hed have won his case. imagine any male anywhere trying to pull down a womans pants ? in a workplace or on national tv? hed have been reprimanded immediately

[Jemal]

I gaurantee if hazel done what Daley done to him, she wouldn't get ejected lol...

[Jake.]

Jedward done so with Amy Childs?

[smeagol]

wrong, this was nasty , she invaded his boundaries to humiliate and degrade him on live national tv , if he had claimed sexual assault hed have won his case. imagine any male anywhere trying to pull down a womans pants ? in a workplace or on national tv? hed have been reprimanded immediately

happens to me all the time lol i dont sue. guys dont pull womens pants down its rare, women do it all the time.
she was having fun. its what people do. couples which they basically were.

she got a warning - pathetic in my view but she did

[CaudleHalbard]

Jedward done so with Amy Childs?

No.

[the truth]

hahahahaha are you joking. pulling his pants down was a bit of fun between 2 people who had been flirting for over a week, who were in a room on the own, not infront of anyone, how can this even be a talking point. she was being playful i'd say the same if daley had done it to her in a playful manner, seeing as tho they probably saw each others bits. and come on BB didn't need to show that part they could of stopped it, it's not like they have no control on whats broadcast even in a live stream their is a delay

wrong, the intention was humiliation........if you tried that on any female colleague at work, no one would see any fun in it , youd lose your job and probably end up in court.

[MTVN]

wrong, the intention was humiliation........if you tried that on any female colleague at work, no one would see any fun in it , youd lose your job and probably end up in court.

And Daley smacking her ass really hard wasn't I suppose?

[Vicky.]

I would bet if he had done that to her he would have been ejected for that alone.

However that doesn't excuse his behavior either.

In hindsight, BB probably should have stepped in sooner, but they were clearly wanting it all to lead to a 'steamy romp'. Bet they got a shock when it went the way it did :o

[Niamh.]

I would bet if he had done that to her he would have been ejected for that alone.

However that doesn't excuse his behavior either.

In hindsight, BB probably should have stepped in sooner, but they were clearly wanting it all to lead to a 'steamy romp'. Bet they got a shock when it went the way it did :o

I really don't think they would have. they didn't step in when he slapped her arse pretty hard and clearly hurt her

[Miranda123]

what would be the consequences?

would BB call him immediately to the diary room?

clearly this is when daley went nuts....BB should have stepped in immediately at that moment to stop the situation getting so out of control

I notice denise welsh did this to the American twins, the twins went nuts about it, yet she got away with it...but if a man invaded a womans boundaries this way and pulled her pants down on live tv, well the reaction would be massive and hed be immediately pulled up , possibly evicted.

double standards. hazel invaded his boundaries big time and BB should have stepped in immediately.

Im glad you mentioned Denise Welch, yes she stayed in and WON ut she was severley reprimanded for the act and it was a big deal on BB at the time

Here we have a nasty girl, not letting a man sleep cause she wants to 'play' with him, when he gets nasty, she goads him until she gets a massive reaction and then tells BB and Dan, she was terrified. It was obvious to anyone that Daley was not a man to be played with in drink (or not on drink to be honest) but she didnt seem to care about that cause she had a Bb Story and that was her intention

I would never say she deserved what she got, cause that would imply that I agree with domestic violence, but she certainly wanted something to happen and perhaps her mother needs to sew a message into her knickers before letting her out of the house

"what goes around, comes around"

Im hoping it willl all come around on Friday when the crowd ignore evictees and scream GET HAZEL OUT

That should trigger Dan to understand that she is NOT telling the truth in its entirety

[smudgie]

I don't think she done it to humiliate him. All horseplay, he appeared to be ok at first, then within a minute he changed.
Do they forget the cameras are on, if so then I can see no harm at all in it, a bit of fun between them. Being in the safe house alone together might lull them into thinking they were " on their own" .

[the truth]

I don't think she done it to humiliate him. All horseplay, he appeared to be ok at first, then within a minute he changed.
Do they forget the cameras are on, if so then I can see no harm at all in it, a bit of fun between them. Being in the safe house alone together might lull them into thinking they were " on their own" .

I think she did, but we can agree to disagree on that, even regardless of intent she was bang out of order, that's considered sexual assault and many men have gone to jail for that. BB should have stepped in immediately, shed slapped his backside,,, hed slapped hers , she tried to pull his pants down, BB were asleep at the wheel.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

what would be the consequences?

would BB call him immediately to the diary room?

clearly this is when daley went nuts....BB should have stepped in immediately at that moment to stop the situation getting so out of control

I notice denise welsh did this to the American twins, the twins went nuts about it, yet she got away with it...but if a man invaded a womans boundaries this way and pulled her pants down on live tv, well the reaction would be massive and hed be immediately pulled up , possibly evicted.

double standards. hazel invaded his boundaries big time and BB should have stepped in immediately.

Daley went nuts before this.

It was clever editing.

Hazel was given a warning.

Back in 2005 Science pulled the duvet of Makosi when she was naked and on her period and wasn't given a warning I believe.

Its not double standards, Hazel was given a warning for pulling down his pants but this wasn't the cause of him going mental if you watched live feed he was having tantrums and talking to himself about her being outside talking when she should be in bed (in his opinion).

[the truth]

Daley went nuts before this.

It was clever editing.

Hazel was given a warning.

Back in 2005 Science pulled the duvet of Makosi when she was naked and on her period and wasn't given a warning I believe.

Its not double standards, Hazel was given a warning for pulling down his pants but this wasn't the cause of him going mental if you watched live feed he was having tantrums and talking to himself about her being outside talking when she should be in bed (in his opinion).

It is double standards, youre always biased in favour of women in every situation so you opinion is meaningless

[Jake.]

It is double standards, youre always biased in favour of women in every situation so you opinion is meaningless

The irony

[the truth]

The irony

no irony. I agree daley should have been booted

[smeagol]

I think she did, but we can agree to disagree on that, even regardless of intent she was bang out of order, that's considered sexual assault and many men have gone to jail for that. BB should have stepped in immediately, shed slapped his backside,,, hed slapped hers , she tried to pull his pants down, BB were asleep at the wheel.

they were a couple its what couples do
they wern't sitting around the dinner table with the rest of them they were in the love nest bb created for them. bb want sex at some point those shorts need to come of lol or it isnt happening.

now if hazel randomly went up to callum or dex or someone in the house for no reason n done it in full view of others then maybe thats a different story
and obviously any guy doing it.
but couples in the love shack is a different story thats what they were in for

[daniel-lewis-1985]

yea that's what I just said.....denise welsh pulled their pants down, she also HIT Michael madsen in the face a few times and verbally abused and stalked him for weeks in a bitter drunken stupor.....not only was she not booted, the GREAT british public voted her their winner.....what a biased misandrist double standard male hating sexist culture we now have.....if a male had done half what she did, hed be in prison

No she didn't.

She raised her hand and he grabbed it.

Why do you keep making things up?

Michael also verbally abused Denise by calling her crazy, unstable on live tv.

Why are your posts allways based on sex fgs im sick of it.

[the truth]

they were a couple its what couples do
they wern't sitting around the dinner table with the rest of them they were in the love nest bb created for them. bb want sex at some point those shorts need to come of lol or it isnt happening.

now if hazel randomly went up to callum or dex or someone in the house for no reason n done it in full view of others then maybe thats a different story
and obviously any guy doing it.
but couples in the love shack is a different story thats what they were in for

pulling someones pants down against their will is sexual assault. he said no, she still did it.....if it was the other way around hed have been in the diary room immediately

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Jedward done so with Amy Childs?

Yeah they did actually when she was sunbathing in the garden and they pulled the back of her bakini bottoms down exposing her bum crack.

They got away with it.

[smeagol]

pulling someones pants down against their will is sexual assault. he said no, she still did it.....if it was the other way around hed have been in the diary room immediately


lol its called foreplay you must of experienced it. your acting like they are strangers.
this isnt charlie pulling dexters trousers down at the diner table this is a couple having fun in the bedroom.

context is everything

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It is double standards, youre always biased in favour of women in every situation so you opinion is meaningless

How is it double standards.

She got a warning for it.

She was reprimanded for her actions and did not get away with it.

I don't allways support the woman at all but you are judging all of this based on heavily edited highlights when if you watched the build up in the live feed over 2 days he was very very disturbing.

He wouldn't be kicked out for just pulling down her pants but would have got a warning.

He grabbed her by the throat and threatened to nut her.

[Jemal]

No she didn't.

She raised her hand and he grabbed it.

Why do you keep making things up?

Michael also verbally abused Denise by calling her crazy, unstable on live tv.

Why are your posts allways based on sex fgs im sick of it.

The aggressive intention was there from Denise.....
Partly the reason Daley got done for aggressive intent, this is civilian big brother, celebrity much more action should be taken because they should know how to act professional at all times, most housemates in civilian bb arent used to doing that. But like i said if it was Michael doing what Denise was doing he would get ejected lol. If hazel done what Daley done she wouldn't get ejected. Im not turning this into a gender war or anything but i just think its true lol. Bb have more leeway for girls than boys. And for a gender tht wants to be treated equally to us men, it seems they dont really mind less punishment being giving out on them.

[Johnnyuk123]

She can pull my pants down anytime! ;)

[the truth]

How is it double standards.

She got a warning for it.

She was reprimanded for her actions and did not get away with it.

I don't allways support the woman at all but you are judging all of this based on heavily edited highlights when if you watched the build up in the live feed over 2 days he was very very disturbing.

He wouldn't be kicked out for just pulling down her pants but would have got a warning.

He grabbed her by the throat and threatened to nut her.

she did hit madsen in the face , that's the truth youre telling pork pies again
she also stalked him and verbally abused him for weeks, even offerinvg him sex which he politely declined, she then got nastier, she of course also pulled down the pants of the American twin, yet despite this physical and sexual assault she wasn't booted and the violent abusive drunk was voted as winner by the dumbed down voters. you are always biased towards the women.

[the truth]

The aggressive intention was there from Denise.....
Partly the reason Daley got done for aggressive intent, this is civilian big brother, celebrity much more action should be taken because they should know how to act professional at all times, most housemates in civilian bb arent used to doing that. But like i said if it was Michael doing what Denise was doing he would get ejected lol. If hazel done what Daley done she wouldn't get ejected. Im not turning this into a gender war or anything but i just think its true lol. Bb have more leeway for girls than boys. And for a gender tht wants to be treated equally to us men, it seems they dont really mind less punishment being giving out on them.

100% correct. Bravo.:wavey: It is double standards and the punishment is different for genders, which is wrong. equal laws should apply. otherwise its a farce where women know they can abuse more and get away with more. then eventually they get their wish which is to antagonise the man to lose his temper , at this point the woman then turns on the tears , gets all the attention and votes. this is how denise won the show. it is wrong and the double standard must stop from the very beginning, otherwise we will see this sad sequence of events again and again and again

[Jesus.]

I tell you who you sound like, the truth, Daley - when he was spouting his "this iz 2 fousand and firteen - equal rights" bollocks.

Equal rights is a female to male thing, not the other way round. And the fact equal rights were needed at all, was due to the abhorrent way us males have treated the females throughout human history.

Females are generally not any kind of sexual danger to men.

[fingers]

hahahahaha are you joking. pulling his pants down was a bit of fun between 2 people who had been flirting for over a week, who were in a room on the own, not infront of anyone, how can this even be a talking point. she was being playful i'd say the same if daley had done it to her in a playful manner, seeing as tho they probably saw each others bits. and come on BB didn't need to show that part they could of stopped it, it's not like they have no control on whats broadcast even in a live stream their is a delay

They DID censor the pants being pulled down on LF but only so that they could include it in the HLs show.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

she did hit madsen in the face , that's the truth youre telling pork pies again
she also stalked him and verbally abused him for weeks, even offerinvg him sex which he politely declined, she then got nastier, she of course also pulled down the pants of the American twin, yet despite this physical and sexual assault she wasn't booted and the violent abusive drunk was voted as winner by the dumbed down voters. you are always biased towards the women.


She didn't hit him in the face-She went to and he grabbed her arm (You said in a previous post she hit him in the face "several times) which she did not

She received a severe warning for pulling down the Shannon twins pants so she didn't get away with that (btw I thought we were talking about if a man did it to a woman?)

Hazel got a warning for her "offensive behaviour" so I don't see how you think she got away with it?

I am not allways biased towards women thats YOU. Dexter is my favourite this year and guess what...HE HAS A PENIS!!! My least favourite housemate it Jackie who has a VAGINA

Again I repeat myself...Hazel received a warning and was warned so BB also took her behaviour as offensive.

My opinion is totally unbiased as im not judging their behaviour based on the gender

[the truth]

Youre opinion is biased and youre being disingenuous....you can shout as loud as you like its a sure sign of insecurity. as long as the housemate is either gay or has a vagina youre biased in favour of that person. youre biased against hetrosexual men. youre endless threads about the same thing which is nearly always male bashing is a waste of space. denise welch assaulted Michael madsen and the American twin, yet she didn't get booted and you didn't ask her to get booted. you also didn't start multiple threads claling out her disgraceful behaviour. that makes you biased and youre opinions utterly irrelevant.

[the truth]

I tell you who you sound like, the truth, Daley - when he was spouting his "this iz 2 fousand and firteen - equal rights" bollocks.

Equal rights is a female to male thing, not the other way round. And the fact equal rights were needed at all, was due to the abhorrent way us males have treated the females throughout human history.

Females are generally not any kind of sexual danger to men.

100% wrong. equal rights is universal, its not a female thing or a race thing,, its equal rights or its unequal. Ive not treated any woman abhorrently, and its wrong to generalize about all men, speak for yourself

[rionablue]

How is it double standards.

She got a warning for it.

She was reprimanded for her actions and did not get away with it.

I don't allways support the woman at all but you are judging all of this based on heavily edited highlights when if you watched the build up in the live feed over 2 days he was very very disturbing.

He wouldn't be kicked out for just pulling down her pants but would have got a warning.

He grabbed her by the throat and threatened to nut her.

Well said buddy :dance:

[the truth]

Well said buddy :dance:

so its ok for a female housemate to physically assault one housemate and sexually assault another and stay in the house? if shes female?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Youre opinion is biased and youre being disingenuous....you can shout as loud as you like its a sure sign of insecurity. as long as the housemate is either gay or has a vagina youre biased in favour of that person. youre biased against hetrosexual men. youre endless threads about the same thing which is nearly always male bashing is a waste of space. denise welch assaulted Michael madsen and the American twin, yet she didn't get booted and you didn't ask her to get booted. you also didn't start multiple threads claling out her disgraceful behaviour. that makes you biased and youre opinions utterly irrelevant.


I just told you my favourite housemate is male (dexter) and my least favourite is female (Jackie).

So how can you say I don't support hetrosexual men.

I am sick of you calling me heterophobic and the fact you think I only support gay men is you being very very offensive. Yes im gay but that doesn't mean I support someone based on their sexuality if that was the case I would be voting for Dan but im not.

Are you seriously dumb?

You don't read my posts at all.

[bez87]

wrong, the intention was humiliation........if you tried that on any female colleague at work, no one would see any fun in it , youd lose your job and probably end up in court.

What it was at night, on their own, infront of non of the other housemates, for all they knew at that moment in time it wasn't getting shown on tv :S i mean do you think that they always remember there being watched i'm pretty sure if i was in their at point i'd forget if i was in the middle of something.

[the truth]

What it was at night, on their own, infront of non of the other housemates, for all they knew at that moment in time it wasn't getting shown on tv :S i mean do you think that they always remember there being watched i'm pretty sure if i was in their at point i'd forget if i was in the middle of something.

you don't seem to be making any point here?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

BTW my fav housemate from CBB9 was, wait for it.....Michael Madsen.

Enough said.

[the truth]

BTW my fav housemate from CBB9 was, wait for it.....Michael Madsen.

Enough said.

shame you didn't have the backbone to start multiple threads asking for his abuser, denise welch to be kicked out. enough said

[bez87]

you don't seem to be making any point here?

The point is the law comes into play, due to the situation the person is in, and not just because someone pulled someones pants down, so it's a criminal offence. you haven't got a point either, you can't judge the situation and say well if you was at work and someone did it, its a criminal offence, this is a totally different situation, 2 people in one room, at night, everyone else is asleep, in the middle of something, she pulls his pants down, to either make a joke with that person who appears to be angry and try to make him realise it was just a laugh, or to gain some control in the situation, forget the live tv feed, which they aren't a where of whats being broadcast and whats not, at that time.

[MatthewS]

I think if a male houstmate pulled down a female housemates pants they would be sent packing. Maybe not in previous Big Brothers, but I do think in this one it would happen. Things have changed, BB is much more inclined to 'play it safe' these days, it appears.

Do I think Daley was wrong? Obviously. Do I think both Daley and Hazel's actions contributed to things getting to the point to where it was 'out of hand'? Absolutely. From what I can tell in the video, Hazel was the one who was went to Daley's bed initially, she's the one who took his covers and refused to give them back when he asked. She's the one who started the 'play fighting' and then pulled Daley's pants down. Daley obviously shouldn't have taken it as far as he did and was rightly sent home because of his eventual actions, but Hazel's actions are a contributing factor to the development and escalation of that situation as well.

[the truth]

The point is the law comes into play, due to the situation the person is in, and not just because someone pulled someones pants down, so it's a criminal offence. you haven't got a point either, you can't judge the situation and say well if you was at work and someone did it, its a criminal offence, this is a totally different situation, 2 people in one room, at night, everyone else is asleep, in the middle of something, she pulls his pants down, to either make a joke with that person who appears to be angry and try to make him realise it was just a laugh, or to gain some control in the situation, forget the live tv feed, which they aren't a where of whats being broadcast and whats not, at that time.

you make no point , its on national live tv, she pulled his pants down against hiw will.....if hed done the same the other way around hed have been booted out. the law is meant to be equal. this was sexual assault. BB should have stepped in immediately before it escalated

[the truth]

I think if a male houstmate pulled down a female housemates pants they would be sent packing. Maybe not in previous Big Brothers, but I do think in this one it would happen. Things have changed, BB is much more inclined to 'play it safe' these days, it appears.

Do I think Daley was wrong? Obviously. Do I think both Daley and Hazel's actions contributed to things getting to the point to where it was 'out of hand'? Absolutely. From what I can tell in the video, Hazel was the one who was went to Daley's bed initially, she's the one who took his covers and refused to give them back when he asked. She's the one who started the 'play fighting' and then pulled Daley's pants down. Daley obviously shouldn't have taken it as far as he did and was rightly sent home because of his eventual actions, but Hazel's actions are a contributing factor to the development and escalation of that situation as well.

100% agree. well said.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

shame you didn't have the backbone to start multiple threads asking for his abuser, denise welch to be kicked out. enough said

Because making multiple threads on the same thing is trolling.

[the truth]

Because making multiple threads on the same thing is trolling.

but that's what you've been doing for the last 24 hours? bizarre. so you troll for a female HM but not for a male HM you claim to have liked? biased as always

[daniel-lewis-1985]

you make no point , its on national live tv, she pulled his pants down against hiw will.....if hed done the same the other way around hed have been booted out. the law is meant to be equal. this was sexual assault. BB should have stepped in immediately before it escalated

Really because I believe BB should have stepped in when he went outside to Hazel and told her BB had told her she had to go to bed.

She asked if that was true which he then swore it was on his kids lives when he was lying.

That should have sent off warning signs.

He was the one who forced her into the situation, she was outside talking to Charlie and he was the one who made her go to bed.

[the truth]

Really because I believe BB should have stepped in when he went outside to Hazel and told her BB had told her she had to go to bed.

She asked if that was true which he then swore it was on his kids lives when he was lying.

That should have sent off warning signs.

He was the one who forced her into the situation, she was outside talking to Charlie and he was the one who made her go to bed.

she was keeping him awake, again your bias chooses to ignore this. sleep deprivation is cruel and bullying. then she took his bed clothes, jumped on him and demanded hugs etc all designed to humiliate him and destroy his relationship outside. all factors you choose to ignore because youre biased

[Livia]

What BB should and shouldn't have done about someone's pants being pulled down, and whether that decision would be the same for a male or a female is all just fogging the issue.

Whatever Hazel did does not warrant Daley putting his hands on her in an aggressive way. That's just the way it is. No amount of conjecture and "what ifs" will change the fact that he assaulted her.

[Jemal]

The_truth and Daniel-Lewis must of had this brewing for a while lmfao. Tension musta been high in the past between you's two. Is this the first time you've had a disagreement?

[the truth]

What BB should and shouldn't have done about someone's pants being pulled down, and whether that decision would be the same for a male or a female is all just fogging the issue.

Whatever Hazel did does not warrant Daley putting his hands on her in an aggressive way. That's just the way it is. No amount of conjecture and "what ifs" will change the fact that he assaulted her.

no its not its a separate issue....weve dealt with daley hes a disgrace and putting your hands on someones throat is immediate expulsion.....the issue we are now addressing is her behaviour and also the way big brother abdicated its responsibilities until very late on

[Niamh.]

she was keeping him awake, again your bias chooses to ignore this. sleep deprivation is cruel and bullying. then she took his bed clothes, jumped on him and demanded hugs etc all designed to humiliate him and destroy his relationship outside. all factors you choose to ignore because youre biased

They're in the BB house, not having absolute quiet comes with the territory.......... also her and Charlie were almost whispering

[daniel-lewis-1985]

she was keeping him awake, again your bias chooses to ignore this. sleep deprivation is cruel and bullying. then she took his bed clothes, jumped on him and demanded hugs etc all designed to humiliate him and destroy his relationship outside. all factors you choose to ignore because youre biased

He went to bed an hour before.

She was outside talking to Charlie so why did he have to have her to go to bed for him to sleep?

BB turned the lights off for him and closed the shutters.

IHe told her she had to go to bed and swore on his childs life and you're supporting that?

[bez87]

you make no point , its on national live tv, she pulled his pants down against hiw will.....if hed done the same the other way around hed have been booted out. the law is meant to be equal. this was sexual assault. BB should have stepped in immediately before it escalated

Sexual assault lol i have made my point the situation is completely different than the one you have gave. Live national tv, big brother isn't live 24/7 they know that, i know that, we all know that, we have a live show, for half an hour or an hour. At that moment in time when there arguing or playfully arguing i'm pretty sure there thoughts aren't on the cameras :S their alone, to them it may of felt being in the bedroom of there home, is that a criminal assualt to pull the pants down of my mrs at home in the bedroom, no it's not. had hazel and daley been flirting for the passed couple of weeks yes, did they have sex or at least a fumble under the covers the night before yes they did, so the whole situation has changed and this equals not a criminal offense, esp when they forget about the camera's at what ever time it was at night with the lights off.

[the truth]

The_truth and Daniel-Lewis must of had this brewing for a while lmfao. Tension musta been high in the past between you's two. Is this the first time you've had a disagreement?

he thinks Im sexist and mysoginist despite the fact I always give my genuine opiunion and can prove that I am not biased and have offered 100s of opinions in favour of both sexes in 100s of situations over many years...he on the other hand is almost universally in favour of female housemates in almost every situation. I consider that sexist. he did nothing to ask for denise welch to be booted for physically and verbally abusing Michael madsen, nor for the time the same housemate sexually assaulted the American twin by pulling down her pants, denise ONLY got a warning for pulling their pants down, she got nothing for the abuse she dished out to madsen. why? because shes a woman and hes a big man.....yet this poster trolls all day on this, yet claims he didn't defend Michael madsen because that would be trolling? this makes no sense. he is biased and imho sexist

[MatthewS]

Realistically, don't we need to put some of the blame for the escalation of this on Big Brother?

When Hazel first smacked Daley shouldn't BB have stepped in? Then, when Daley smacked Hazel's ass shouldn't BB have stepped in? What about when Hazel pulled down Daley's shorts?

[the truth]

Sexual assault lol i have made my point the situation is completely different than the one you have gave. Live national tv, big brother isn't live 24/7 they know that, i know that, we all know that, we have a live show, for half an hour or an hour. At that moment in time when there arguing or playfully arguing i'm pretty sure there thoughts aren't on the cameras :S their alone, to them it may of felt being in the bedroom of there home, is that a criminal assualt to pull the pants down of my mrs at home in the bedroom, no it's not. had hazel and daley been flirting for the passed couple of weeks yes, did they have sex or at least a fumble under the covers the night before yes they did, so the whole situation has changed and this equals not a criminal offense, esp when they forget about the camera's at what ever time it was at night with the lights off.

Its not different at all. the law still applies. if you factor in the intention which was pulling his pants down, exposing his private parts to millions of viewers, designed to humiliate him and also his friends and families. the law and the intent are totally against what she did. why did big brother wait hours before issuing her a verbal warning for these actions? if they deemed it inappropriate then why didn't they call her in straight away? oh I forgot they deliberately waited until it escalated. shame on them

[the truth]

Realistically, don't we need to put some of the blame for the escalation of this on Big Brother?

When Hazel first smacked Daley shouldn't BB have stepped in? Then, when Daley smacked Hazel's ass shouldn't BB have stepped in? What about when Hazel pulled down Daley's shorts?

exactly right....BB created the entire situation and didn't resolve until way too late.....bit like the jerry springer show,, they invite simpletons,, goad them into battle then drag them off and moralise to the audience

[daniel-lewis-1985]

he thinks Im sexist and mysoginist despite the fact I always give my genuine opiunion and can prove that I am not biased and have offered 100s of opinions in favour of both sexes in 100s of situations over many years...he on the other hand is almost universally in favour of female housemates in almost every situation. I consider that sexist. he did nothing to ask for denise welch to be booted for physically and verbally abusing Michael madsen, nor for the time the same housemate sexually assaulted the American twin by pulling down her pants, denise ONLY got a warning for pulling their pants down, she got nothing for the abuse she dished out to madsen. why? because shes a woman and hes a big man.....yet this poster trolls all day on this, yet claims he didn't defend Michael madsen because that would be trolling? this makes no sense. he is biased and imho sexist

Again.

Dexter is my fav and he has a penis.

Jackie is my least favourite and has a VAGINA.

LOL.

How am I sexist plus i did defend madsen back in 2012 and wanted him to win.

You really are just making things up now and I have reported you so hopefully you will finally get the ban you deserve.

[Livia]

Its not different at all. the law still applies. if you factor in the intention which was pulling his pants down, exposing his private parts to millions of viewers, designed to humiliate him and also his friends and families. the law and the intent are totally against what she did. why did big brother wait hours before issuing her a verbal warning for these actions? if they deemed it inappropriate then why didn't they call her in straight away? oh I forgot they deliberately waited until it escalated. shame on them

If you want to talk about the law, truth, then you need to understand what is meant by "intent". You cannot equate what happened with Daley slapping Hazel and putting his hands around her throat with her yanking on his shorts.

I know some people on here don't like Hazel, but I am actually nauseated at the things that have been said about her, and I hope to God that none of you are called for jury service - ever.

[bez87]

I get your end point but i see nothing wrong with the pants pulling down, and i'm not one to judge what her intentions was at the time, i mean i saw it that she thought it was a sexual thing between them to, i think she was just having a laugh pulling his pants down, because they've seen each others bits, and i honestly believe that they forgot about the camera's, how could anyone always remember that you have camera's on you. i don't think i could, but your point is worthy on that big brother should stepped in, but i think maybe big brother are having the same debates that night what were having in the forums, was it playful was it not, was it a sexual thing, did they want to see if it would change into a sexual thing yes i have no doubt, but did it go to far that they had to jump in when daley decided to try and nut her lol yes.

[Livia]

Its not different at all. the law still applies. if you factor in the intention which was pulling his pants down, exposing his private parts to millions of viewers, designed to humiliate him and also his friends and families. the law and the intent are totally against what she did. why did big brother wait hours before issuing her a verbal warning for these actions? if they deemed it inappropriate then why didn't they call her in straight away? oh I forgot they deliberately waited until it escalated. shame on them

He'd already got into the shower naked. Please stop trying to paint him as the victim and a little shrinking flower.

[kefln]

What BB should and shouldn't have done about someone's pants being pulled down, and whether that decision would be the same for a male or a female is all just fogging the issue.

Whatever Hazel did does not warrant Daley putting his hands on her in an aggressive way. That's just the way it is. No amount of conjecture and "what ifs" will change the fact that he assaulted her.

The problem here is not about daley grabbing hazels throat. Its that some people will always push the blame on the victim. There is always something. Always some small justification for the reaction. Or over reaction.

Blame the woman. She flirted. Therefore she got what she deserved

[the truth]

If you want to talk about the law, truth, then you need to understand what is meant by "intent". You cannot equate what happened with Daley slapping Hazel and putting his hands around her throat with her yanking on his shorts.

I know some people on here don't like Hazel, but I am actually nauseated at the things that have been said about her, and I hope to God that none of you are called for jury service - ever.

I didn't compare? why are you saying that? youre comparing not me? the fact he lost the plot is rightly booted is irrelevant to us evaluating her behaviour? cant you distinguish between the 2? I thought you were supposed to have a legal brain?

[the truth]

He'd already got into the shower naked. Please stop trying to paint him as the victim and a little shrinking flower.

neither are shrinking flowers, but she did pull down his shorts to expose his penis against his will , she jumped in his bed against his will, she took off his bed sheets against his will,,,,,it was a whole chain of events that she created , she was bang out of order and her intent was to deprive him of sleep, to humiliate him and to destroy his relationship outside the house.....she achieved all that and her actions were deplorable

[Livia]

I didn't compare? why are you saying that? youre comparing not me? the fact he lost the plot is rightly booted is irrelevant to us evaluating her behaviour? cant you distinguish between the 2? I thought you were supposed to have a legal brain?

I didn't say "compare". Why are you saying that?

I said "equate".

You're trying to show how Daley was "humiliated" and had his "private parts" put on show against his will.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And yes... if you want to debate the law with me... go for it. But don't insult me, please.

[Livia]

neither are shrinking flowers, but she did pull down his shorts to expose his penis against his will , she jumped in his bed against his will, she took off his bed sheets against his will,,,,,it was a whole chain of events that she created , she was bang out of order and her intent was to deprive him of sleep, to humiliate him and to destroy his relationship outside the house.....she achieved all that and her actions were deplorable

Haha... stop it now.

[CaudleHalbard]

Well it will probably mean a big turnaround for Hazel in terms of her unpopularity.

Maybe that's why she's on top of the world today. Potential winner.... in her mind anyway! ;)

[the truth]

I didn't say "compare". Why are you saying that?

I said "equate".

You're trying to show how Daley was "humiliated" and had his "private parts" put on show against his will.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And yes... if you want to debate the law with me... go for it. But don't insult me, please.

you insulted everyone who even questioned hazels actions by suggesting they should never do jury duty? bizarre. cant you see her behaviour was disgraceful?

[the truth]

Haha... stop it now.

it may be funny to you, which I find callous, but if its a joke, then hows about a broken relationship , broken home, lost access to child and who knows what will happen to daley? is any of that funny? don't you understand the effects last night had on him psychologically? hes not a bright bloke, clearly he has major issues. but his life will now be destroyed, she will make a fortune from this mess.....why is that funny>?

[MatthewS]

Big Brother could have called either of them into the diary at numerous points before it went too far, but they didn't. If they did, it would have stopped right away. It was obvious things were escalating and 'warnable' offences were readily occurring. I guess they thought it was good TV and just went with it. Daley will be held accountable for his actions, the public will know Hazel played it up and contributed to the escalation of the situation as well. But what about Big Brother? Where is the accountability for their actions, or lack thereof?

[the truth]

BB deserve to have the book thrown at them, theyre lucky it didn't get worse.

[Livia]

you insulted everyone who even questioned hazels actions by suggesting they should never do jury duty? bizarre. cant you see her behaviour was disgraceful?

We're not actually here to talk about me.

And yes, while I would say some of her actions may have been questionable, she did not, in any way, deserve to be assaulted. And that's why I suggested some people would have made poor jurors, because the consensus seems to be with some people, that she was in some way asking for it.

[Livia]

it may be funny to you, which I find callous, but if its a joke, then hows about a broken relationship , broken home, lost access to child and who knows what will happen to daley? is any of that funny? don't you understand the effects last night had on him psychologically? hes not a bright bloke, clearly he has major issues. but his life will now be destroyed, she will make a fortune from this mess.....why is that funny>?

Hazel isn't in a relationship and she doesn't have a child.

Maybe Daley should have thought about all that heart-rending stuff you've spouted before he went sniffing after the model, and then assaulted her.

There is nothing funny about this situation. What's funny is your reaction to it.

[Livia]

BB deserve to have the book thrown at them, theyre lucky it didn't get worse.

What book is that then?

[lily.]

A man doing it to a woman has very different connotations, because of the way men generally have physical power over women. It crosses a very grey area.

I'm not saying Hazel didn't deserve her warning, but if she'd done that to me, I wouldn't be particularly bothered about it.


I think society views it differently when it's the other way around, but in my view, they can't use double-standards when it comes to warnings and punishments.

As long as BB can say that the only thing Daley would have got was a warning had he pulled her shorts down, then it's fair enough that Hazel only got a warning. But, I can't help thinking that they might have ejected a male housemate for doing that.. in which case, Hazel ought to have been ejected for it too.

Then again, when Charlie took that thing off Dexter when he was running around the garden, that's the same thing again. There's a very fine line between playing a prank and sexually assaulting someone. :/

[bez87]

it may be funny to you, which I find callous, but if its a joke, then hows about a broken relationship , broken home, lost access to child and who knows what will happen to daley? is any of that funny? don't you understand the effects last night had on him psychologically? hes not a bright bloke, clearly he has major issues. but his life will now be destroyed, she will make a fortune from this mess.....why is that funny>?

how can you say that, like she was the one who pushed him, no one pushes anyone, he was the controlling one and if he didn't want anything to happen then he should of never done what he did, all she is guilty for is playing along at the beginning, and being silly enough to pull his pants down. she didn't grab his throat and tell him she was going to nut him,

[the truth]

Hazel isn't in a relationship and she doesn't have a child.

Maybe Daley should have thought about all that heart-rending stuff you've spouted before he went sniffing after the model, and then assaulted her.

There is nothing funny about this situation. What's funny is your reaction to it.

strange but I think youd be upset if a man tried to pull your knickers down in front of millions against your will?

[the truth]

how can you say that, like she was the one who pushed him, no one pushes anyone, he was the controlling one and if he didn't want anything to happen then he should of never done what he did, all she is guilty for is playing along at the beginning, and being silly enough to pull his pants down. she didn't grab his throat and tell him she was going to nut him,

I know , Im not excusing grabbing anyones throat as Ive said 101 times? daley is a nutjob who needs psychiatric help....Im delighted he was booted. that case is closed....all Im simply saying her behaviour was deplorable and she should have been evicted, BB should have stepped in way sooner. shame on them

[halfacrown]

It's hard to disagree with the OP, so I don't see why people are bringing in Daley's appalling behaviour as an argument against it.

Daley needs some form of re-education for his issues, as I think he's dangerous. Notwithstanding, Hazel should have been ejected too for what she did to Daley.

Violence has the potential to be deadly and must be guarded against vigorously but on the other hand some people would rather be given a black eye than have their genitals exposed on television against their will.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

No I do not. I see both sides and BB is often biased towards the female housemates, a fact proven by the fact denise welch never got booted for her grotesque abuse of fellow housemates over several weeks. I too could predict your inability to see both sides of this story and to see also what both people did wrong. your reaction is pretty funny to be honest you claim to be a legal eagle , sorry but you cant succeed at that game unless you look at both sides of every situation

So why is it that every year a female has been evicted first?

[the truth]

So why is it that every year a female has been evicted first?

why do you spend so much time researching such a trivial stat?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

why do you spend so much time researching such a trivial stat?

What?

I didn't need to research that its common knowledge?

[armand.kay]

Actually no. Remember when sam pepper put his crotch in josies face did he get called to the diary room immediately? No! but he still got a warning. I think the producers didn't know it would escalade that much.

[MatthewS]

Guys (or gals?), can we stay on topic? You obviously don't see eye to eye and that's cool, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't know if this forum has an ignore function but it might be a good idea to use it and just move on, or maybe take your argument to PM. Just a suggestion.

[the truth]

Guys (or gals?), can we stay on topic? You obviously don't see eye to eye and that's cool, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't know if this forum has an ignore function but it might be a good idea to use it and just move on, or maybe take your argument to PM. Just a suggestion.

yeah no problem , cheers matthew:wavey:

[Kazanne]

So in a nutshell,Hazel slapped Daley and pulled down his kecks
Daley slapped Hazel and put his hands round her throat
Daley is ejected and hazel is warned,
Can we all move on now PLEASE:hugesmile:
There must be other stuff going on.

[MatthewS]

Really?

I just wanted to point out that sexism is generalising against gender which is what you have been accusing me of.



To be fair, sexism isn't necessarily a 'generalization' against a particular gender. That's ignorance more then anything else. Sexism is a prejudice and discrimination against a particular sex, a generalization in itself isn't necessarily enough to deem something sexist. IMHO at least.

[the truth]

So in a nutshell,Hazel slapped Daley and pulled down his kecks
Daley slapped Hazel and put his hands round her throat
Daley is ejected and hazel is warned,
Can we all move on now PLEASE:hugesmile:
There must be other stuff going on.

yea lets move on.....:wavey:

[dyfed]

wrong, this was nasty , she invaded his boundaries to humiliate and degrade him on live national tv , if he had claimed sexual assault hed have won his case. imagine any male anywhere trying to pull down a womans pants ? in a workplace or on national tv? hed have been reprimanded immediately

I agree,she stepped over the mark,maybe she shouldn't be evicted ,but she should have lost being saved from eviction and been up with the rest of the house.

[anne666]

It's never happened so how can you agree with it? They didn't call Daley into the Diary room immediately when he slapped Hazels arse really hard so why assume they would have if Daley jokingly tugged at her pants?

If they had both pulled each others pants down in fun and led on to sexual activity BB would have been delighted.That is all they wanted. They edited last nights show because they knew they should have intervened before she even went back into the room. He was seriously spinning out of control.

[anne666]

They did exactly the same with the shower scene, edited out the most menacing part.They knew exactly what they were doing. Too much invested in boosting viewing figures.

[Niamh.]

If they had both pulled each others pants down in fun and led on to sexual activity BB would have been delighted.That is all they wanted. They edited last nights show because they knew they should have intervened before she even went back into the room. He was seriously spinning out of control.

Yeah I agree with that, it was clear to us that he was going a bit weird while Hazel was outside talking to Charlie, that s**t was just strange and not normal kind of behaviour at all

[Northern Monkey]

Hazel was wrong for embarrassing him like that,But that has happened on a few occasions in BB with nobody getting booted,Remember Makosi getting her bum exposed by one of the lads?BUT,Daley is a strong bloke,He boxes,I can imagine for a woman,having a strong fella like that with his hands around her throat theatening to nut her,It would be pretty intimidating.She may have been winding him up but she did'nt deserve that at all.He should have gone outside for some air instead of making himself look like a bully to women,Nobody likes blokes like that.

[Tribal Spaceman]

I've had my pants pulled down in the middle of a shopping centre. I just did it back to the person in question about half an hour later, in the cinema. What's the big deal?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Sam Pepper thrusting his crotch in Josies face was far worse haha.

[halfacrown]

I've had my pants pulled down in the middle of a shopping centre. I just did it back to the person in question about half an hour later, in the cinema. What's the big deal?

Try doing it at work, or to somebody who'd hate it, you'll soon find out.

[lily.]

So in a nutshell,Hazel slapped Daley and pulled down his kecks
Daley slapped Hazel and put his hands round her throat
Daley is ejected and hazel is warned,
Can we all move on now PLEASE:hugesmile:
There must be other stuff going on.

Who gave you the stripes?

This is a discussion forum. We discuss things. We'll move on when we're done discussing things.

Thanks.

[GiRTh]

Yeah I agree with that, it was clear to us that he was going a bit weird while Hazel was outside talking to Charlie, that s**t was just strange and not normal kind of behaviour at allI thought you didn't see that. Have you got a link?

[smudgie]

I thought you didn't see that. Have you got a link?

It was there for all to see on LF, complete control freak.
He wanted her inside, not talking to Charlie, he told her to come in, they carried on talking, he was raging and effing and blinding about effing women blah blah blah, then he went out and told her BB said they had to come in, she questioned f that was true or not, he swore on his kids life it was, he went back in and said he would give her 60 seconds, he then started his countdown.
Absolutely bonkers.

[reece(:]

Loose Denise was warned when pulling down a twin's trousers.

[the truth]

delighted to see that on BB bit on the side that if the tables were turned a man pulling down a womans pants would be unacceptable.....fair play to emma willis and the audience very fair , it takes 2 to tango.....they all agreed hazel shared some of the blame for this fiasco

[Kizzy]

Only she wasn't though, he is in control of his own actions... trying to justify his behaviour was disgusting.

[the truth]

Only she wasn't though, he is in control of his own actions... trying to justify his behaviour was disgusting.

no one did that? what are you on about? trying to justify either persons behaviour is disgusting

[Niamh.]

I thought you didn't see that. Have you got a link?

Vicky found a working one later on that day, I'm not sure if it's still up or not, I'll see if I can find it

[GiRTh]

Vicky found a working one later on that day, I'm not sure if it's still up or not, I'll see if I can find itYes please. :thumbs:

[armand.kay]

Loose Denise was warned when pulling down a twin's trousers.

.

[coralqueen]

my feelings the same, if man pulled down womans they would be out, she should of been chucked out for that...

[Livia]

my feelings the same, if man pulled down womans they would be out, she should of been chucked out for that...

Well, obviously she shouldn't have been thrown out, or she would have been. Right?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

my feelings the same, if man pulled down womans they would be out, she should of been chucked out for that...

Sam Pepper thrust his crotch in Josies face-Wasn't kicked out.

Jedward pulled down the back of Amy Childs Bikini bottoms and poured water down them - were not kicked out.

BB6 Makosis duvet was ripped from her by a male exposing her totally nude when she was on her period - Noone kicked out.

So the answer to this thread is a big fat NO

[reece(:]

Sam Pepper thrust his crotch in Josies face-Wasn't kicked out.

Jedward pulled down the back of Amy Childs Bikini bottoms and poured water down them - were not kicked out.

BB6 Makosis duvet was ripped from her by a male exposing her totally nude when she was on her period - Noone kicked out.

So the answer to this thread is a big fat NO
:worship:

[anne666]

Sam Pepper thrust his crotch in Josies face-Wasn't kicked out.

Jedward pulled down the back of Amy Childs Bikini bottoms and poured water down them - were not kicked out.

BB6 Makosis duvet was ripped from her by a male exposing her totally nude when she was on her period - Noone kicked out.

So the answer to this thread is a big fat NO
YES It makes no difference what anyone says or examples given, it just doesn't seem to sink in.Objectivity is an unknown skill to so many people

[anne666]

Lets just wait for the next excuse for Hazel to be ejected.

[the truth]

my feelings the same, if man pulled down womans they would be out, she should of been chucked out for that...

agreed so should denise welch for hitting Michael madsen in the face and pulling dwn the twins pants and generally being abusive for several weeks....its only the fact she is a woman that they didn't eject her

[Northern Monkey]

Daley should have just pulled Hazels pants down instead of going all radgy like he did.Same punishment for both then!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

agreed so should denise welch for hitting Michael madsen in the face and pulling dwn the twins pants and generally being abusive for several weeks....its only the fact she is a woman that they didn't eject her

You seem to be ignoring my posts where I state the facts of previous male contestants who have done the same thing and worse and did not get ejected.

Sam Pepper thrust his crotch in Josies face-Wasn't kicked out.

Jedward pulled down the back of Amy Childs Bikini bottoms and poured water down them - were not kicked out even though Amy expressed she was offended

BB6 Makosis duvet was ripped from her by a male exposing her totally nude when she was on her period - Noone kicked out.

So why do you think BB haven't kicked Hazel out because she has a fanny when above is clear evidence that they have not done so in the past when a male housemate has acted the same or worse in the Makosi case?

You cant just base the decision on the fact that Hazel is a woman on their actions.

I don't think any housemate should be ejected for something so trivial anyway.

Being thrown out for pulling someones pants down? REALLY? LOL

[the truth]

Daley should have just pulled Hazels pants down instead of going all radgy like he did.Same punishment for both then!

he would have been booted for that.....no man would ever be allowed to get away with that, so neither shuld any woman like hazel or denise

[daniel-lewis-1985]

he would have been booted for that.....no man would ever be allowed to get away with that, so neither shuld any woman like hazel or denise

Shall I just keep repeating this until it finally sinks into your head?

These are facts.

Sam Pepper thrust his crotch in Josies face-Wasn't kicked out.

Jedward pulled down the back of Amy Childs Bikini bottoms and poured water down them - were not kicked out.

BB6 Makosis duvet was ripped from her by a male exposing her totally nude when she was on her period - Noone kicked out.

[the truth]

Its really hard to imagine how a woman would have felt in daleys position, being kept awake all night with sleep deprivation, having another person jump into his bed against his wishes, invading his boundaries, then demanding physical contact which would endanger ones relationship outside, then pulling her knickers down against their wishes to expose their genitals and also grabbing their throat? I think any woman would be horrified to have suffered this sequence of events, then consider it on live tv to millions....just a shame big brother didn't step in to stop the abuser earlier, then we wuldnt have seen the nasty retaliation.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Its really hard to imagine how a woman would have felt in daleys position, being kept awake all night with sleep deprivation, having another person jump into his bed against his wishes, invading his boundaries, then demanding physical contact which would endanger ones relationship outside, then pulling her knickers down against their wishes to expose their genitals and also grabbing their throat? I think any woman would be horrified to have suffered this sequence of events, then consider it on live tv to millions....just a shame big brother didn't step in to stop the abuser earlier, then we wuldnt have seen the nasty retaliation.

You live on another planet.

Daley could have gone to sleep at any point, Hazel didnt want to go to bed she was outside talking to a friend...Quietly when he came outside and lied about BB telling her she had to go to bed.

Lets be honest he wanted to get his willy wet as we all do but he didn't like that Hazel was being so dominant.

You are making a thread purely based on a 13 minute clip from the highlight show or have been highly manipulated by it.

Anyway yet again you have totally disregarded the facts I posted which answer the question to your thread.

[Kazanne]

You live on another planet.

Daley could have gone to sleep at any point, Hazel didnt want to go to bed she was outside talking to a friend...Quietly when he came outside and lied about BB telling her she had to go to bed.

Lets be honest he wanted to get his willy wet as we all do but he didn't like that Hazel was being so dominant.

You are making a thread purely based on a 13 minute clip from the highlight show or have been highly manipulated by it.

Anyway yet again you have totally disregarded the facts I posted which answer the question to your thread.

IF he hasn't answered you ,he's probably got you on ignore:hugesmile:

[Eva bee]

The show has evicted a contestant (Daley Ojuderie) for 'aggressive and threatening behaviour' towards Hazel O'Sullivan.
Many viewers are concerned that the show has acted unfairly as they have NOT evicted Hazel for pulling down Daley's underwear, and exposing his genitals to the cameras.
We are concerned that the actions of the program were unfair, sexist and racist! We believe that should Daley had done the same to Hazel he would have not only been removed from the program, but would have most definitely been arrested as well. In any case, if ANY male had done this to ANY female housemate, he would have without a doubt been removed from the program! We cannot understand exactly why Hazel has got away with only a warning. We believe the colour of Daley's skin and his gender has played a great part in all of this. It is the opinion of many that Hazel O'Sullivan should be removed from the program. We are not condoning Daley 's actions, but wholeheartedly believe that they should have BOTH been removed from the program. Both acted irresponsibly, both are at fault, so why was only ONE removed???
IF DALEY HAD DONE THIS TO HAZEL, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT!!! HAZEL PUT HER HANDS AROUND DALEY'S THROAT FIRST!!!SHE TORMENTED, TEASED AND PROVOKED HIM! WHY IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH A 'WARNING'?!
WHY WERE THEY 'CHOSEN' FOR THE SAFE HOUSE???!
WHY, IF SHE WERE 'THREATENED', WERE THEY *ALLOWED TO SPEND ANOTHER NIGHT TOGETHER???!!
WHAT IS THIS REALLY ALL ABOUT CHANNEL 5??? WE NEED ANSWERS

!!!
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[toronto_matt]

what would be the consequences?

would BB call him immediately to the diary room?

clearly this is when daley went nuts....BB should have stepped in immediately at that moment to stop the situation getting so out of control

I notice denise welsh did this to the American twins, the twins went nuts about it, yet she got away with it...but if a man invaded a womans boundaries this way and pulled her pants down on live tv, well the reaction would be massive and hed be immediately pulled up , possibly evicted.

double standards. hazel invaded his boundaries big time and BB should have stepped in immediately.

don't quite understand the logic dude. sorry. its not as if hazel and daley had just run into each other on the street for the very first time or something and then hazel pulled his pants down.

pulling pants down in a joking way vs hands around Throat in an aggressive manner. telling someone your going to KILL THEM. don't see the connection..

2 wrongs make a right kinda thing right? is that the logic?

gimmie a break

[toronto_matt]

You seem to be ignoring my posts where I state the facts of previous male contestants who have done the same thing and worse and did not get ejected.

Sam Pepper thrust his crotch in Josies face-Wasn't kicked out.

Jedward pulled down the back of Amy Childs Bikini bottoms and poured water down them - were not kicked out even though Amy expressed she was offended

BB6 Makosis duvet was ripped from her by a male exposing her totally nude when she was on her period - Noone kicked out.

So why do you think BB haven't kicked Hazel out because she has a fanny when above is clear evidence that they have not done so in the past when a male housemate has acted the same or worse in the Makosi case?

You cant just base the decision on the fact that Hazel is a woman on their actions.

I don't think any housemate should be ejected for something so trivial anyway.

Being thrown out for pulling someones pants down? REALLY? LOL

+1

[amu]

If Hazel was a man and Daley a female only Hazel would have been kicked out. They would then have said that the physical altercation was a reaction to the pulling down etc..

[the truth]

If Hazel was a man and Daley a female only Hazel would have been kicked out. They would then have said that the physical altercation was a reaction to the pulling down etc..

100% true. we cannt have different rules for men and women. the same rules should apply. BB should have stepped in sooner

[daniel-lewis-1985]

The show has evicted a contestant (Daley Ojuderie) for 'aggressive and threatening behaviour' towards Hazel O'Sullivan.
Many viewers are concerned that the show has acted unfairly as they have NOT evicted Hazel for pulling down Daley's underwear, and exposing his genitals to the cameras.
We are concerned that the actions of the program were unfair, sexist and racist! We believe that should Daley had done the same to Hazel he would have not only been removed from the program, but would have most definitely been arrested as well. In any case, if ANY male had done this to ANY female housemate, he would have without a doubt been removed from the program! We cannot understand exactly why Hazel has got away with only a warning. We believe the colour of Daley's skin and his gender has played a great part in all of this. It is the opinion of many that Hazel O'Sullivan should be removed from the program. We are not condoning Daley 's actions, but wholeheartedly believe that they should have BOTH been removed from the program. Both acted irresponsibly, both are at fault, so why was only ONE removed???
IF DALEY HAD DONE THIS TO HAZEL, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT!!! HAZEL PUT HER HANDS AROUND DALEY'S THROAT FIRST!!!SHE TORMENTED, TEASED AND PROVOKED HIM! WHY IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH A 'WARNING'?!
WHY WERE THEY 'CHOSEN' FOR THE SAFE HOUSE???!
WHY, IF SHE WERE 'THREATENED', WERE THEY *ALLOWED TO SPEND ANOTHER NIGHT TOGETHER???!!
WHAT IS THIS REALLY ALL ABOUT CHANNEL 5??? WE NEED ANSWERS

!!!
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No.

[kefln]

If Hazel was a man and Daley a female only Hazel would have been kicked out. They would then have said that the physical altercation was a reaction to the pulling down etc..

If hazel was a man and daley was a woman, then daley would be the most hated woman in the uk.

Why?

A serial cheat, a parent who lied about her relationship on national tv just to increase thier chances to get into someones pants. Than a women who, when drunk, goes physco and puts a man in a strangle hold and threatens him physically.

Hazel, as a woman, is hated for being single and flirting. Imagine how daley would be perceived if he was female?

There is your double standard.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

If hazel was a man and daley was a woman, then daley would be the most hated woman in the uk.

Why?

A serial cheat, a parent who lied about her relationship on national tv just to increase thier chances to get into someones pants. Than a women who, when drunk, goes physco and puts a man in a strangle hold and threatens him physically.

Hazel, as a woman, is hated for being single and flirting. Imagine how daley would be perceived if he was female?

There is your double standard.

I love this post.

[Kizzy]

Kelfin, you have it in a nutshell.....
Not sure why everyone makes out that Katie Hopkins is so socially deluded, it seems half the UK is living in a bygone era when considering the facts of this incident. :idc:

[CaudleHalbard]

Half the UK is of below average intelligence!

Think about it! ;)

[kefln]

Half the UK is of below average intelligence!

Think about it! ;)

:hugesmile:

[the truth]

clearly female housemates are allowed to get away with more, so in that sense the show is 20 years behind the times where males and females are held accountable to the same standards

[daniel-lewis-1985]

My god, you must have hated The Spice Girls.

[kefln]

clearly female housemates are allowed to get away with more, so in that sense the show is 20 years behind the times where males and females are held accountable to the same standards

The audience allow females to get away with less. Therefore the viewing public are behind the times in their thinking

[anne666]

clearly female housemates are allowed to get away with more, so in that sense the show is 20 years behind the times where males and females are held accountable to the same standards

How long is this going on, once again, she got a formal warning .NO-ONE has EVER been evicted for exposing someone in that way or any other way !!!!

[anne666]

The show has evicted a contestant (Daley Ojuderie) for 'aggressive and threatening behaviour' towards Hazel O'Sullivan.
Many viewers are concerned that the show has acted unfairly as they have NOT evicted Hazel for pulling down Daley's underwear, and exposing his genitals to the cameras.
We are concerned that the actions of the program were unfair, sexist and racist! We believe that should Daley had done the same to Hazel he would have not only been removed from the program, but would have most definitely been arrested as well. In any case, if ANY male had done this to ANY female housemate, he would have without a doubt been removed from the program! We cannot understand exactly why Hazel has got away with only a warning. We believe the colour of Daley's skin and his gender has played a great part in all of this. It is the opinion of many that Hazel O'Sullivan should be removed from the program. We are not condoning Daley 's actions, but wholeheartedly believe that they should have BOTH been removed from the program. Both acted irresponsibly, both are at fault, so why was only ONE removed???
IF DALEY HAD DONE THIS TO HAZEL, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT!!! HAZEL PUT HER HANDS AROUND DALEY'S THROAT FIRST!!!SHE TORMENTED, TEASED AND PROVOKED HIM! WHY IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH A 'WARNING'?!
WHY WERE THEY 'CHOSEN' FOR THE SAFE HOUSE???!
WHY, IF SHE WERE 'THREATENED', WERE THEY *ALLOWED TO SPEND ANOTHER NIGHT TOGETHER???!!
WHAT IS THIS REALLY ALL ABOUT CHANNEL 5??? WE NEED ANSWERS

!!!
Sent from my iPad

Completely disagree. Once again NO-ONE has EVER been removed from the BB for exposing anyone in this way or any other. She was given a formal warning as others have in the past.To play the
race card is a sick joke !!!!!!It is all about BB wanting sleaze as usual and it backfired big time. Did you actually see the live feed, the prelude to all of this? BB put her in danger by not intervening then. They have tried to cover that up by removing the live feed for that night from the you-tube immediately, legal advice probably. I cant bear this woman but objectivity please!!!

[kefln]

How long is this going on, once again, she got a formal warning .NO-ONE has EVER been evicted for exposing someone in that way or any other way !!!!

Its the clutching at straws argument. When someone has little or no real reason for taking sides, apart from personal bais, they focus on one small thing and make it into more than it is.

If they had more, they would say more. Taking this example, had hazel acted like daley, imagine how people would have reacted. Shes called a ***** and a homewrecker as it is.

[Jemal]

Lool this thread is still alive.

[anne666]

Its the clutching at straws argument. When someone has little or no real reason for taking sides, apart from personal bais, they focus on one small thing and make it into more than it is.

If they had more, they would say more. Taking this example, had hazel acted like daley, imagine how people would have reacted. Shes called a ***** and a homewrecker as it is.

Yes I totally agree. Also I wonder about some peoples English comprehension. No matter how many true facts, both legally and historically are mentioned it never seems to sink in. In some cases we are even seen as Hazel lovers. It is beyond a joke and worrying. I dont like her at all. However that stupid man, whose one brain cell seems to inhabit his penis,only had to tell her to leave him alone from the start of the series.Simple really.Defend that Hazel haters.

[halfacrown]

Yes I totally agree. Also I wonder about some peoples English comprehension. No matter how many true facts, both legally and historically are mentioned it never seems to sink in. In some cases we are even seen as Hazel lovers. It is beyond a joke and worrying. I dont like her at all. However that stupid man, whose one brain cell seems to inhabit his penis,only had to tell her to leave him alone from the start of the series.Simple really.Defend that Hazel haters.

Is it not possible to see Hazel's actions as a trigger but not a justification? The OP is saying that if BB had intervened things would not have escalated. Had they been separated, Hazel would have been saved from Daley's rage and aggressive attack. Since Hazel got a warning, why not pull her out immediately? Of course Hazel didn't realise she was with a dangerous person but why were BB so slow to react?

I think that Hazel should have been ejected for exposing Daley, whether or not others have got away with it before. I also think Daley deserved to go because of what he did and until he gets re-education, he will remain a danger.

[smudgie]

Daley was forever telling her he had an erection..hardly the shy type. When she pulled down his boxers it was in a darkened room, he was okay with it and laughed at first.
She was in the wrong for pulling them down even as a joke as they were not actual partners, the warning she got was suffice.

[kefln]

Is it not possible to see Hazel's actions as a trigger but not a justification? The OP is saying that if BB had intervened things would not have escalated. Had they been separated, Hazel would have been saved from Daley's rage and aggressive attack. Since Hazel got a warning, why not pull her out immediately? Of course Hazel didn't realise she was with a dangerous person but why were BB so slow to react?

I think that Hazel should have been ejected for exposing Daley, whether or not others have got away with it before. I also think Daley deserved to go because of what he did and until he gets re-education, he will remain a danger.

Why would BB intervene? The voting public put daley and hazel in that room for one reason. They wanted to see what would happen. They wanted to see kissing and under the sheet action. They wanted those horrible squishy sounds that we hear every year when two HMs start getting close under the blankets.

A woman pulling down a mans pants, while they were alone, in the dark, after weeks of touchy-feely, was exactly what they wanted. What they planned for.

What no one expected was that ape going nuts.

[halfacrown]

Why would BB intervene? The voting public put daley and hazel in that room for one reason. They wanted to see what would happen. They wanted to see kissing and under the sheet action. They wanted those horrible squishy sounds that we hear every year when two HMs start getting close under the blankets.

A woman pulling down a mans pants, while they were alone, in the dark, after weeks of touchy-feely, was exactly what they wanted. What they planned for.

What no one expected was that ape going nuts.

Alone in the dark with a night vision camera rolling and thousands of people watching, not very intimate is it really? You or the viewers may have wanted to see Daley have his pants pulled down but Daley didn't, and that's the point.

BB did intervene by giving Hazel a warning but they were playing with fire by being as much of a voyeur as the public. The difference is they have to judge and protect and here they let Hazel down. They should have pulled Daley out as soon as the hands went around the neck, I guess somebody at BB was thinking "a bit more, no, just a bit more"!

[anne666]

Why would BB intervene? The voting public put daley and hazel in that room for one reason. They wanted to see what would happen. They wanted to see kissing and under the sheet action. They wanted those horrible squishy sounds that we hear every year when two HMs start getting close under the blankets.

A woman pulling down a mans pants, while they were alone, in the dark, after weeks of touchy-feely, was exactly what they wanted. What they planned for.

What no one expected was that ape going nuts.

Precisely.

[anne666]

Alone in the dark with a night vision camera rolling and thousands of people watching, not very intimate is it really? You or the viewers may have wanted to see Daley have his pants pulled down but Daley didn't, and that's the point.

BB did intervene by giving Hazel a warning but they were playing with fire by being as much of a voyeur as the public. The difference is they have to judge and protect and here they let Hazel down. They should have pulled Daley out as soon as the hands went around the neck, I guess somebody at BB was thinking "a bit more, no, just a bit more"!

BB did not intervene when they SHOULD have. He was in an abusive state of rage before she even went into the room. The live feed video now removed from you-tube of course to cover their own HUGE mistake.

[kefln]

Alone in the dark with a night vision camera rolling and thousands of people watching, not very intimate is it really? You or the viewers may have wanted to see Daley have his pants pulled down but Daley didn't, and that's the point.

BB did intervene by giving Hazel a warning but they were playing with fire by being as much of a voyeur as the public. The difference is they have to judge and protect and here they let Hazel down. They should have pulled Daley out as soon as the hands went around the neck, I guess somebody at BB was thinking "a bit more, no, just a bit more"!

Everyone who has ever gone into the house have said that for the most part they forget that they are on camera. Even on BOTS, when they talked to judy after she went in for the task, mentioned that she completely forgot the cameras. She said that she even thought that they had decided not to film it. This from a woman who has been on the support shows for years.

So yes, in the dark, in bed, with a little bit of drink taken, I could easly see the cameras been forgotten. Or at least been pushed to the bsck of the mind.


And again BB was never going to intervene when there was a chance of sex. Because sex brings ratings. The voters put those two into the safe house for a reason. BB knows it. We know it.

[halfacrown]

Everyone who has ever gone into the house have said that for the most part they forget that they are on camera. Even on BOTS, when they talked to judy after she went in for the task, mentioned that she completely forgot the cameras. She said that she even thought that they had decided not to film it. This from a woman who has been on the support shows for years.

So yes, in the dark, in bed, with a little bit of drink taken, I could easly see the cameras been forgotten. Or at least been pushed to the bsck of the mind.


And again BB was never going to intervene when there was a chance of sex. Because sex brings ratings. The voters put those two into the safe house for a reason. BB knows it. We know it.

I'm referring to BB not the contestants, they know what is happening and are watching just like the viewers, except that BB have the power. Surely you would agree that they should have intervened when the hands went around the throat?

[the truth]

Its the clutching at straws argument. When someone has little or no real reason for taking sides, apart from personal bais, they focus on one small thing and make it into more than it is.

If they had more, they would say more. Taking this example, had hazel acted like daley, imagine how people would have reacted. Shes called a ***** and a homewrecker as it is.

theyre mere words, she is still in the house and will still make a fortune from being a homewrecker and sexually assaulting daley

[halfacrown]

BB did not intervene when they SHOULD have. He was in an abusive state of rage before she even went into the room. The live feed video now removed from you-tube of course to cover their own HUGE mistake.

We agree on that, at least. You would think that after the rape allegation on BB Brazil last year they would be keeping a very close eye on what goes on.

[the truth]

How long is this going on, once again, she got a formal warning .NO-ONE has EVER been evicted for exposing someone in that way or any other way !!!!

it was the whole sequence of events that lead up to her sexually assaulting him.....the sleep deprivation, the demanding of physical contact, the jumping in his ned on top of him when hed said no, she also grabbed his throat befre forcing his pants down to expose his penis....she should have been warned immediately and booted. if that exact same sequence of events had happened t a woman there would be riots

[anne666]

We agree on that, at least. You would think that after the rape allegation on BB Brazil last year they would be keeping a very close eye on what goes on.

Yes but our BB may learn from this big mistake now, hopefully. I hope she learns to stop using men to get what she wants, before she ends up dead in a ditch.

[anne666]

it was the whole sequence of events that lead up to her sexually assaulting him.....the sleep deprivation, the demanding of physical contact, the jumping in his ned on top of him when hed said no, she also grabbed his throat befre forcing his pants down to expose his penis....she should have been warned immediately and booted. if that exact same sequence of events had happened t a woman there would be riots

Dont agree at all and pulling down someones pants is NOT sexual assault.

[anne666]

it was the whole sequence of events that lead up to her sexually assaulting him.....the sleep deprivation, the demanding of physical contact, the jumping in his ned on top of him when hed said no, she also grabbed his throat befre forcing his pants down to expose his penis....she should have been warned immediately and booted. if that exact same sequence of events had happened t a woman there would be riots

Can I ask you for your honest opinion . If the outcome had been sexual activity how would you then have viewed her behaviour.

[YodaBB]

it was the whole sequence of events that lead up to her sexually assaulting him.....the sleep deprivation, the demanding of physical contact, the jumping in his ned on top of him when hed said no, she also grabbed his throat befre forcing his pants down to expose his penis....she should have been warned immediately and booted. if that exact same sequence of events had happened t a woman there would be riots

Daley should have just went to sleep rather than forcing Hazel in the safehouse

[anne666]

Daley should have just went to sleep rather than forcing Hazel in the safehouse

Yes and BB should have intervened when they saw the rage he had worked himself into. She had no idea of any of that.

[the truth]

Can I ask you for your honest opinion . If the outcome had been sexual activity how would you then have viewed her behaviour.

just the same. pulling down someones pants to expose their genitalia against their will is sexual assault even when it happens to a man....Nw I would like an honest opinion to please ,,,how would you have reacted if a man did to you all of the things hazel did to daley? i.e. jumped in your bed when you said no, demanded physical contact when you said no, stuck a pillow over your head, kept you awake all night, grabbed your knickers and pulled them down when youd said no

[anne666]

just the same. pulling down someones pants to expose their genitalia against their will is sexual assault even when it happens to a man....Nw I would like an honest opinion to please ,,,how would you have reacted if a man did to you all of the things hazel did to daley? i.e. jumped in your bed when you said no, demanded physical contact when you said no, stuck a pillow over your head, kept you awake all night, grabbed your knickers and pulled them down when youd said no

Once again pulling someones pants down is NOT sexual assault.If she had gone on to touch him BB would have been thrilled of course and if he objected that is then sexual assault. When you answer my question I will answer yours.

[the truth]

Once again pulling someones pants down is NOT sexual assault.If she had gone on to touch him BB would have been thrilled of course and if he objected that is then sexual assault. When you answer my question I will answer yours.

I have answered and you have ducked mine

[anne666]

I have answered and you have ducked mine

Sorry I misinterpreted the beginning of your post. Firstly I would not be on that position with a man I did not know. If my partner behaved like that in fun as she was I would laugh at him, nothing more and give him a sleeping pill.There was NO malicious intent on Hazel's part as far as I am concerned.Hazel is only interested in publicity and doesn't care who she uses or what she does to get it. Zelebrity is the best she will achieve and I have no doubt she will capitalize on all of this.

[anne666]

I also believe that she could probably sue BB for dereliction in their duty to keep her safe. and him for assault and threatening violence. It is ALL on film no matter how BB have tried to hide it from the public. Why have they done that, removed the live feed from the internet ?

[the truth]

Sorry I misinterpreted the beginning of your post. Firstly I would not be on that position with a man I did not know. If my partner behaved like that in fun as she was I would laugh at him, nothing more and give him a sleeping pill.There was NO malicious intent on Hazel's part as far as I am concerned.Hazel is only interested in publicity and doesn't care who she uses or what she does to get it. Zelebrity is the best she will achieve and I have no doubt she will capitalize on all of this.

IF youd been in the same position as daley was the question? with another persn jumping into your bed against your wishes, on top of you, pillow over your face, depriving you off sleep , demanding physical contact and exposing your genitalia on national tv against your will..while your family watched in front of millions..how would you have felt if this happened to you?...please answer this question ?

[anne666]

IF youd been in the same position as daley was the question? with another persn jumping into your bed against your wishes, on top of you, pillow over your face, depriving you off sleep , demanding physical contact and exposing your genitalia on national tv against your will..while your family watched in front of millions..how would you have felt if this happened to you?...please answer this question ?

I would have felt exactly the same as I said in my post.Why was there any reason for her to think otherwise? She had no idea what a rage he was in !!!! OK m'lord LOL

[kefln]

I'm referring to BB not the contestants, they know what is happening and are watching just like the viewers, except that BB have the power. Surely you would agree that they should have intervened when the hands went around the throat?

Of course, it should never have gotten that far. But it was a very odd situation, not one they have ever faced before.Thats not an excuse for their slowness, but it might explain why they didnt react quickly enough.

[kefln]

theyre mere words, she is still in the house and will still make a fortune from being a homewrecker and sexually assaulting daley

A BB house mate looking to make cash - quick hold the press - oh wait they already have :joker:

[anne666]

A BB house mate looking to make cash - quick hold the press - oh wait they already have :joker:

This is so funny. Daley was showing his erection, which wasn't that impressive long before this happened. Even waxed lyrical about which pants he should wear for when the little fella popped up YUK !!! I wonder if that is his small problem and the reason he is a misogynistic , violent, control freak LOL. A lot of male ego's being assaulted on here I think.

[halfacrown]

Of course, it should never have gotten that far. But it was a very odd situation, not one they have ever faced before.Thats not an excuse for their slowness, but it might explain why they didnt react quickly enough.

When Dennis spat in Mohamed's face in series 6, he was removed straight away. You would think that one contestant threatening another contestant and then putting their hands around the contestant's neck would make BB sit up and take notice. BB were wrong and negligent to let things escalate as they did.

[kefln]

IF youd been in the same position as daley was the question? with another persn jumping into your bed against your wishes, on top of you, pillow over your face, depriving you off sleep , demanding physical contact and exposing your genitalia on national tv against your will..while your family watched in front of millions..how would you have felt if this happened to you?...please answer this question ?

Is this the same daley that lied about his partner and persued a girl on national tv, despite knowing that he had kids at home watching?

Is this the same daley that is an admitted serial love cheat?

Is this the same daley that was laughing when he threw a pillow right into hazels face, when she was lying in the bed? Which resulted in her getting out of the bed, and striking him 3 times with her pillow, while he can be clearly heard laughing his head off? The same daley who was still laughing when she landed on top of him and covered his face. The same daley that was laughing after hazel slapped his behind. The same daley that was still laughing when hazel took his sheet.

In fact his mood only changed when he stood up and realised he couldnt see his sheet. We then heard the whole "you dont want to make me angry" speach.

And when she pulled down down his pants, he started laughing again, the mood lightened for a moment. He started dancing on the spot asking if she wanted to play "that game".

I dont think the facts, moment by recorded moment, fit your version of events.

Does that answer your question?

[kefln]

When Dennis spat in Mohamed's face in series 6, he was removed straight away. You would think that one contestant threatening another contestant and then putting their hands around the contestant's neck would make BB sit up and take notice. BB were wrong and negligent to let things escalate as they did.

You arent going to get an argument here. It shouldnt have gone that far.

I dont see where you are going with this.

[halfacrown]

You arent going to get an argument here. It shouldnt have gone that far.

I dont see where you are going with this.

I am pointing out that BB have acted quickly before to stop a situation escalating and it's not the only time. So I disagree with your point that this was entirely new ground. On the fact that BB were slow to act, we seem to agree.

[kefln]

I am pointing out that BB have acted quickly before to stop a situation escalating and it's not the only time. So I disagree with your point that this was entirely new ground. On the fact that BB were slow to act, we seem to agree.

Having a man grab a woman by the throat and threat to "nut" her is fairly new ground. But its not the first time they've allowed things to escalate out of control. The famous "fight night" comes straight to mind.

Should they always act quickly? Of course. But the reality is that they do mess up.

[halfacrown]

[QUOTE=kefln;6183143]Having a man grab a woman by the throat and threat to "nut" her is fairly new ground.

All the more reason for BB to act more quickly than before, rather than more slowly. Hard to understand what caused them to 'mess up' and put Hazel at such risk.

[Lister of Smeg]

Hazel should have been ejected too .

[anne666]

[QUOTE=kefln;6183143]Having a man grab a woman by the throat and threat to "nut" her is fairly new ground.

All the more reason for BB to act more quickly than before, rather than more slowly. Hard to understand what caused them to 'mess up' and put Hazel at such risk.

Thanks for that I agree and have been trying to get that across, some are wise enough to see that, some aren't and stick to hackneyed argument.

[anne666]

Is this the same daley that lied about his partner and persued a girl on national tv, dispite knowing that he had kids at home watching?

Is this the same daley that is an admitted serial love cheat?

Is this the same daley that was laughing when he threw a pillow right into hazels face, when she was lying in the bed? Which resulted in her getting out of the bed, and striking him 3 times with her pillow, while he can be clearly heard laughing his head off? The same daley who was still laughing when she landed on top of him and covered his face. The same daley that was laughing after hazel slapped his behind. The same daley that was still laughing when hazel took his sheet.

In fact his mood only changed when he stood up and realised he couldnt see his sheet. We then heard the whole "you dont want to make me angry" speach.

And when she pulled down down his pants, he started laughing again, the mood lightened for a moment. He started dancing on the spot asking if she wanted to play "that game".

I dont think the facts, moment by recorded moment, fit your version of events.

Does that answer your question?

YES !!!! Back of the net I would say.:dance:

[Northern Monkey]

IF youd been in the same position as daley was the question? with another persn jumping into your bed against your wishes, on top of you, pillow over your face, depriving you off sleep , demanding physical contact and exposing your genitalia on national tv against your will..while your family watched in front of millions..how would you have felt if this happened to you?...please answer this question ?

If it was Hazel,I would feel f'king over the moon!I would do exactly as she wished!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Just came across this in my dvd collection.

Perfect example of what op is asking...."If a man pulled down a womans pants".

Frustrating that some people cant acknowledge facts when they are written down so heres a vid of a male housemate doing exactly what the op has questioned and stated 100% a male would be kicked out of the house for doing this.

Ray was not given a warning let alone kicked out (and rightly so) pc Britain gone mad.

Hazel however was warned which I don't think was even necessary.

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[the truth]

Having a man grab a woman by the throat and threat to "nut" her is fairly new ground. But its not the first time they've allowed things to escalate out of control. The famous "fight night" comes straight to mind.

Should they always act quickly? Of course. But the reality is that they do mess up.

I agree...BB should have intervened far earlier, maybe after she pulled his pants down......just as they should have should when denise was hitting Michael madsen in the face.....shame these double standards in favour of female housemates continue.....keep it fair and balanced and yodu have a better show

[daniel-lewis-1985]

TheTruth must be ignoring my posts either that or is totally in denial for saying BB have double standards after watching a clip which proves otherwise.

[Verbal]

what would be the consequences?

would BB call him immediately to the diary room?

clearly this is when daley went nuts....BB should have stepped in immediately at that moment to stop the situation getting so out of control

I notice denise welsh did this to the American twins, the twins went nuts about it, yet she got away with it...but if a man invaded a womans boundaries this way and pulled her pants down on live tv, well the reaction would be massive and hed be immediately pulled up , possibly evicted.

double standards. hazel invaded his boundaries big time and BB should have stepped in immediately.

It is double standards, but ones that are socially accepted. Men are viewed as the sexually dominant species. Take Loose Women, a group of women sitting around on national TV at midday talking about mens bodies etc. Flip that round and imagine a group of men discussing titties.

Wouldnt ever happen.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It is double standards, but ones that are socially accepted. Men are viewed as the sexually dominant species. Take Loose Women, a group of women sitting around on national TV at midday talking about mens bodies etc. Flip that round and imagine a group of men discussing titties.

Wouldnt ever happen.

Yet another poster ignoring the facts.

See below video.

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[Vicky.]

I think this thread has run its course now.