Hazel pretends not to know why Daley got the boot!

[fingers]

Excellent liar!

[Jack_]

Ever thought she might be a bit embarrassed admitting she was strangled and pinned down by him? Just an idea

[GypsyGoth]

Ever thought she might be a bit embarrassed admitting she was strangled and pinned down by him? Just an idea

I believe parts of the forum can't see past their dislike for her.

[fingers]

Ever thought she might be a bit embarrassed admitting she was strangled and pinned down by him? Just an idea

Or that she made him mad by pulling down his shorts?

[Ramsay]

Ever thought she might be a bit embarrassed admitting she was strangled and pinned down by him? Just an idea

exactly what i think. she's probably just still freaked out by the whole thing

[GiRTh]

Dan is right . She needs to tell them.

[lynnet39]

they need to show the house what acually happened from begining to end

[GiRTh]

they need to show the house what acually happened from begining to endNo they dont.

Now that I've seen her very accurate recollection of the events I think she's totally genuine. I think she's seen it for what it was and I think Dan is right, she did nothing wrong and has nothing to be ashamed about.

[Jamie585]

Why should she tell everyone? Its a horrible thing to talk about. Cut her some slack.

[fingers]

No they dont.

Now that I've seen her very accurate recollection of the events I think she's totally genuine. I think she's seen it for what it was and I think Dan is right, she did nothing wrong and has nothing to be ashamed about.

She watered down her part so that it was all Daley's doing!

[armand.kay]

they need to show the house what acually happened from begining to end
Ohh ffs what is with people wanting the housemates to see everything, ****.

[iRyan]

She's not purposefully lying. She's still clearly shocked and uncomfortable by the situation. I mean how do you comfortably tell people "oh yeah, he chocked me and pinned me down and threatened me".

[GiRTh]

She watered down her part so that it was all Daley's doing!I think her recollection was very accurate considering they'd been drinking and it was quite a scary incident.

[Marsh.]

Or that she made him mad by pulling down his shorts?

So Hazel takes responsibility for her own actions but Daley's actions are Hazel's fault as well?

Very bizarre logic indeed.

[Marc]

I believe parts of the forum can't see past their dislike for her.

I'm going to go on a cull and ban these people

[Marsh.]

I'm going to go on a cull and ban these people

Do it, do it, do it, do it. :laugh:

[Jamie585]

She's not purposefully lying. She's still clearly shocked and uncomfortable by the situation. I mean how do you comfortably tell people "oh yeah, he chocked me and pinned me down and threatened me".
This, pretty accurate!!

[rusticgal]

She is shocked...but she also knows her behaviour was antagonistic which is why she is not in bits as an innocent victim would be. She knows she should have reacted differently rather than playing bat and ball.... she knows she pushed him...he was drunk and wanted to sleep but she wouldnt leave him alone.
I am not condoning his behaviour because he obviously has issues and how he got through the process is beyond me...someone made a huge mistake and Hazel became the victim... but she clearly did not recognise the signs and now feels guilty for not nipping the whole situation in the bud before it got completely out of control.

[blue]

behind every man's down fall is a woman FACT

[Jack_]

behind every man's down fall is a woman FACT

What about gay men?

I smell misogyny

[Niamh.]

No they dont.

Now that I've seen her very accurate recollection of the events I think she's totally genuine. I think she's seen it for what it was and I think Dan is right, she did nothing wrong and has nothing to be ashamed about.

Yep, I think she's being hugely honest here and with Dan, she told him she was warned too and what for. I don't think she was being devious or calculating in the diary room afterwards either, I think she told the honest truth of how she felt at the time, she wasn't being OTT or screaming for his removal

[Visage]

I genuinely thought she was confused, after all she did spend the night in the same room as Daley and it looked like he was around the garden during the day. Maybe she just needed time to digest what was happening.

[Miranda123]

No they dont.

Now that I've seen her very accurate recollection of the events I think she's totally genuine. I think she's seen it for what it was and I think Dan is right, she did nothing wrong and has nothing to be ashamed about.

very accurate?? are you on medication??

I think the others, including Dan, will see things very differently when they find out the WHOLE story and not just Hazel's edited highlights

CANT WAIT FOR HER EVICTION INTERVIEW.........GO EMMA!!!!!!!!!!

[Miranda123]

She is shocked...but she also knows her behaviour was antagonistic which is why she is not in bits as an innocent victim would be. She knows she should have reacted differently rather than playing bat and ball.... she knows she pushed him...he was drunk and wanted to sleep but she wouldnt leave him alone.
I am not condoning his behaviour because he obviously has issues and how he got through the process is beyond me...someone made a huge mistake and Hazel became the victim... but she clearly did not recognise the signs and now feels guilty for not nipping the whole situation in the bud before it got completely out of control.

The 'guilt' is for our benefit, she wants us all to feel sorry for her rather than hate her, as she knows she was already hated by last Fridays boos

Good luck with that Hazel lolololololol

[rionablue]

very accurate?? are you on medication??

I think the others, including Dan, will see things very differently when they find out the WHOLE story and not just Hazel's edited highlights

CANT WAIT FOR HER EVICTION INTERVIEW.........GO EMMA!!!!!!!!!!

The whole story is that Daley slapped her hard and put his hands on her neck, he also used vile and offensive language. Hazel thought it was play fighting at the start and said go for it. Then when he snapped she was genuinely upset and a bit afraid of what was happening. Hazel could make a big song and dance of it and tell all the housemates what happened and maybe make the likes of Sam and Dexter change their opinions of Daley but she chose not to do that. She is in the right here and he was totally and utterly wrong end of

[the truth]

Ever thought she might be a bit embarrassed admitting she was strangled and pinned down by him? Just an idea

nah I think shes embarrassed by pulling his pants down

[Jack_]

nah I think shes embarrassed by pulling his pants down

Or maybe not

Look, I agree that was an unacceptable action too and do also partly agree with your thread that had it been a man the reaction would've been totally different (there was a discussion similar to this when Denise did it to the twins in CBB9) but let's face facts here, she was pinned to the bed and strangled, I'm pretty sure she doesn't want to divulge that to the entire house

You raise some reasonable points but the seeping misogyny is irritating and just demeans every point you make

[Kizzy]

She is trying to work out as we all are wtf happened in there, like most abused women she is blaming herself and is ashamed of the outcome even though it is none of their fault!
I don't think she's strong enough to answer 200 questions about it yet.

[CaudleHalbard]

FFS stop referring to Hazel as an abused woman. It is an insult to those women who are trapped in abusive relationships.

Hazel could walk away any time. She chose not to.

[the truth]

Or maybe not

Look, I agree that was an unacceptable action too and do also partly agree with your thread that had it been a man the reaction would've been totally different (there was a discussion similar to this when Denise did it to the twins in CBB9) but let's face facts here, she was pinned to the bed and strangled, I'm pretty sure she doesn't want to divulge that to the entire house

You raise some reasonable points but the seeping misogyny is irritating and just demeans every point you make

I don't care if you want to label me mysoginist , its total rubbish anyway. Im just giving my genuine opinion regardless of whatever you or anyone else wants to hear or whatever the prevailing orthodoxy is regarding political correctness and so on....both must take responsibility for their actions. she actually grabbed his throat earlier in the sequence of events. I have no idea where this was a game and where it became serious. clearly hes not a very bright bloke, shes smarter too. but whether he is capable of acting on the threats he made who knows. she deliberately provoked him throughout though and it was inevitable hed lose his temper. as Ive said umpteen times id have booted them both. as I also said earlier, denise welch physically and sexually assaulted housemates and never got booted solely on the fact she is a woman. misogyny is a problem, misandry is another huge problem too.

[Kizzy]

FFS stop referring to Hazel as an abused woman. It is an insult to those women who are trapped in abusive relationships.

Hazel could walk away any time. She chose not to.

No I won't, he did abuse her..
It's hard to walk away if you are pinned to a bed.

[Kizzy]

I don't care if you want to label me mysoginist , its total rubbish anyway. Im just giving my genuine opinion regardless of whatever you or anyone else wants to hear or whatever the prevailing orthodoxy is regarding political correctness and so on....both must take responsibility for their actions. she actually grabbed his throat earlier in the sequence of events. I have no idea where this was a game and where it became serious. clearly hes not a very bright bloke, shes smarter too. but whether he is capable of acting on the threats he made who knows. she deliberately provoked him throughout though and it was inevitable hed lose his temper. as Ive said umpteen times id have booted them both. as I also said earlier, denise welch physically and sexually assaulted housemates and never got booted solely on the fact she is a woman. misogyny is a problem, misandry is another huge problem too.

Why was it inevitable? don't judge all by your own low standards... A real man would never behave in that manner.

[Marsh.]

I'd be bloody pissed off if a woman pulled my shorts down on national TV but I know it wouldn't make me lay a finger on her.

Nothing anybody does makes another person do anything. You have a choice, if you can barely control yourself to make that choice then it doesn't make the victim of your reaction the blame. It means you have deep rooted issues and should seek help.

She was joking, and yes took it too far, but he took it way beyond anything and threatened a woman much weaker than him.

Those suggesting she actually wanted him to lose his temper are blinded by their dislike of Hazel. She was flirting and wanted a kiss, hug or more. To suggest she purposely engineered the entire situation to get him in trouble or kicked out is delusional.

[optimisticcynic]

Why was it inevitable? don't judge all by your own low standards... A real man would never behave in that manner.

Amused by the use of the term "a real man" when demanding a rethink on generalisations and gender bias.

[Kizzy]

Amused by the use of the term "a real man" when demanding a rethink on generalisations and gender bias.

Would you like me to rephrase?
A normal man?
A rational man?
A respectful man?
better?

[Kizzy]

I'd be bloody pissed off if a woman pulled my shorts down on national TV but I know it wouldn't make me lay a finger on her.

Nothing anybody does makes another person do anything. You have a choice, if you can barely control yourself to make that choice then it doesn't make the victim of your reaction the blame. It means you have deep rooted issues and should seek help.

She was joking, and yes took it too far, but he took it way beyond anything and threatened a woman much weaker than him.

Those suggesting she actually wanted him to lose his temper are blinded by their dislike of Hazel. She was flirting and wanted a kiss, hug or more. To suggest she purposely engineered the entire situation to get him in trouble or kicked out is delusional.

Of course it's all he has been dreaming about all week, the girl he coveted asking him to snuggle in bed.... What was he thinking?!
Answer?.... He wasn't thinking :laugh:

[the truth]

Why was it inevitable? don't judge all by your own low standards... A real man would never behave in that manner.

Im judging him by your low standards

[CaudleHalbard]

No I won't, he did abuse her..
It's hard to walk away if you are pinned to a bed.

They both "abused" each other. He did not hurt her and there is zero evidence that he would have done. She got a scare but she soon got over it, to the extent she climbed into his bed the following morning.

I maintain it is an serious insult to women (and men) who are in abusive relationships to lump Hazel in with them.

[the truth]

I'd be bloody pissed off if a woman pulled my shorts down on national TV but I know it wouldn't make me lay a finger on her.

Nothing anybody does makes another person do anything. You have a choice, if you can barely control yourself to make that choice then it doesn't make the victim of your reaction the blame. It means you have deep rooted issues and should seek help.

She was joking, and yes took it too far, but he took it way beyond anything and threatened a woman much weaker than him.

Those suggesting she actually wanted him to lose his temper are blinded by their dislike of Hazel. She was flirting and wanted a kiss, hug or more. To suggest she purposely engineered the entire situation to get him in trouble or kicked out is delusional.

I disagree....to suggest she had no idea he would get upset is far more delusional, hses been there 4 weeks and she knows he not the brightest and she knows deliberately keeping him awake, demanding hugs and jumping on top on him in bed, wouldembarass him to millions and his watching girlfriend and son....she knew he was too weak mentally to deal with it and she knew pulling hispants down would upset him....none of that was done by her as innocent flirting , it was a power g\ame designed to humiliate a less intelligent less worldly wise man, which in turn would garner her attention and fame and of course money.....her whole spiel today was a joke....who me? hear no evil ? see no evil? she claimed to know nothing, then she tried to play it both ways, he didn't deserve to go hes harmless she said to dan and co , then she said she was scared, then she said she was only with him through boredom and didn't fancy daley, then she said she didn't want to be defined by this relationship,,,,, then she blamed him for playing around behind his girlfriends back etc

she planned it all

[the truth]

They both "abused" each other. He did not hurt her and there is zero evidence that he would have done. She got a scare but she soon got over it, to the extent she climbed into his bed the following morning.

I maintain it is an serious insult to women (and men) who are in abusive relationships to lump Hazel in with them.

this is true, despite it all, no one hit anyone

[YodaBB]

I'm sorry I don't think it's fair to say 'no one hit anyone, so there was no abuse', he clearly was threatening with "You need to learn to respect your elders" whilst closing in on her & holding her head. Then after that pinning her to the bed & threatening to 'nut her one' whilst in her face. That was aggressive & potentially abusive.

Can we not just drop this now :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Im judging him by your low standards

Good I'm glad, I think his actions make him look like a deranged thug...We all have fre will, he made his choice that night and no amount of bleating will convince me of his innocence sorry.

[the truth]

Good I'm glad, I think his actions make him look like a deranged thug...We all have fre will, he made his choice that night and no amount of bleating will convince me of his innocence sorry.

yes and hazel had free will too
did you preach the same way about denise welch assault Michael madsen and the twin?

[the truth]

I'm sorry I don't think it's fair to say 'no one hit anyone, so there was no abuse', he clearly was threatening with "You need to learn to respect your elders" whilst closing in on her & holding her head. Then after that pinning her to the bed & threatening to 'nut her one' whilst in her face. That was aggressive & potentially abusive.

Can we not just drop this now :laugh:

she actually grabbed his throat first, she jumped into his bed after he said no, stuck a pillow over his face, demanded he come over and hug her in bed against his will despite him saying no, pulled his pants down against his will

[YodaBB]

she actually grabbed his throat first, she jumped into his bed after he said no, stuck a pillow over his face, demanded he come over and hug her in bed against his will despite him saying no, pulled his pants down against his will

Did she? It wasn't in an aggressive manor anyhow, whereas he was very aggressive.

We're just agree to disagree I suppose.

I agree with you that Hazel deserved her warning for pulling his shorts down but she isn't to blame for what happened to her whatsoever. This is the last post I'm gonna post on all this Hazel/Daley situation, as It feels like it's just going in circles tbh.

[Kizzy]

yes and hazel had free will too
did you preach the same way about denise welch assault Michael madsen and the twin?

Did she pin him to the bed?.....
Yes I did, I hated Denise she was an abusive drunk... like daley.

[Marsh.]

She didn't grab his throat first, blatant lie.

Most of your other points are reading into every tiny detail as though ever breath is a machination of some sort.

In realty these are real people, not characters from a soap.

[the truth]

Did she pin him to the bed?.....
Yes I did, I hated Denise she was an abusive drunk... like daley.

worse....she hit madsen in the face a few times,,,,,she verbally abused him for weeks, she stalked him , she even allegedly offered sex which he declined....she also pulled down the pants of the twins......and guess what ,she wasnt even warned for abusing madsen and hitting him, then the great british public gave the abusive drunk the crown? if that's justice then jo publican kiss my dexter like pale moon

[the truth]

She didn't grab his throat first, blatant lie.

Most of your other points are reading into every tiny detail as though ever breath is a machination of some sort.

In realty these are real people, not characters from a soap.

yes she did watch it again....she even admitted to it herself....though suposedly in a playful way

[the truth]

She didn't grab his throat first, blatant lie.

Most of your other points are reading into every tiny detail as though ever breath is a machination of some sort.

In realty these are real people, not characters from a soap.

you just choose to dwell on the details that suit your own agenda

[Marsh.]

She touched his throat, but in retaliation. You need to watch it again.

Before he then holds her down by both arms threatening to 'nut her'.

[the truth]

She touched his throat, but in retaliation. You need to watch it again.

Before he then holds her down by both arms threatening to 'nut her'.

I know something I have condemned him for 101 times. But I also condemn all her prior behaviour to this

[Kizzy]

You can condemn all you like but you can't link the behaviour to his response..... she was being annoying and he was tired/hungry/ drunk/ constipated or whatever dumb excuse you like but he was wrong to do what he did even if he was furious end of.
NOTHING would fuel a rational man into doing that, no amount of horseplay or flirting.

[Marsh.]

Yes, but her behaviour doesn't excuse his.

You're excusing him by claiming this was all part of Hazel's master plan. Despite the fact Daley was the one to instigate a relationship way back at the start.

[the truth]

Yes, but her behaviour doesn't excuse his.

You're excusing him by claiming this was all part of Hazel's master plan. Despite the fact Daley was the one to instigate a relationship way back at the start.

where did I say I excuse him? that's right I didnt you are lying yet again

[the truth]

You can condemn all you like but you can't link the behaviour to his response..... she was being annoying and he was tired/hungry/ drunk/ constipated or whatever dumb excuse you like but he was wrong to do what he did even if he was furious end of.
NOTHING would fuel a rational man into doing that, no amount of horseplay or flirting.

what about denise welch then? why wasn't shebooted? were you just as outraged when she assaulted 2 people

[Indy]

Why do people go to so much effort to lie about things everyone here can queue up on video and replay a dozen times over? He grabbed her throat, forced her down to the bed, let go of her throat, pinned her arms, got in her face and told her to learn to respect her elders or he would abuse her further.

Any version that says otherwise is fiction.

[the truth]

Why do people go to so much effort to lie about things everyone here can queue up on video and replay a dozen times over? He grabbed her throat, forced her down to the bed, let go of her throat, pinned her arms, got in her face and told her to learn to respect her elders or he would abuse her further.

Any version that says otherwise is fiction.

you seem to have edited out all the things she did, so your version is fiction

[Kizzy]

what about denise welch then? why wasn't shebooted? were you just as outraged when she assaulted 2 people

How am I supposed to know?
I am only aware of the shots being tugged down incident so can't comment on anything else.
I was annoyed and was glad when she was warned, as hazel was.....

[Indy]

you seem to have edited out all the things she did, so your version is fiction

You mean like sitting in the garden talking to Charlie while he kept ranting about them? The 2nd rage he went into over her going back outside after her bathroom break?

[the truth]

You mean like sitting in the garden talking to Charlie while he kept ranting about them? The 2nd rage he went into over her going back outside after her bathroom break?

I don't like the man, but it doesn't mean he should be crucified. he wanted kip and that's why he was telling them to keep it down. she tortured him as he is mentally a lot weaker and totally out of his depth. and no this doesn't justify him putting his hands on her neck.

[Marsh.]

No, he didn't want them to keep it down, he was demanding Hazel go inside the house.

[arista]

Excellent liar!


Yes Fear they will Nominate her

[the truth]

No, he didn't want them to keep it down, he was demanding Hazel go inside the house.

wrong again.

[Indy]

No, he didn't want them to keep it down, he was demanding Hazel go inside the house.

Maybe we just don't have good enough super hearing superpowers... Only Daley does and he could hear them even though us mere mortals couldn't hear a peep of them from inside the room.

[Marsh.]

wrong again.

He didn't ask them to quiet down, he wanted Hazel inside the house. There is video evidence.

Stop with the lies.

[cheapbbfan]

She's an evil succubus and everyone warned him against her. He was too stupid to get involved with her

[Niamh.]

wrong again.

He didn't ask them to quiet down, he wanted Hazel inside the house. There is video evidence.

Stop with the lies.

Yeah this. He never asked them to keep it down, he wanted Hazel inside and in bed, like the controlling arsehole that he is. Hazel wasn't ready to go to bed, she was happy outside talking to Charlie and tbf they weren't making that much noise, I'm sure it's probably alot more noisy sleeping in the main bedroom. BB closed the shutters for him and turned the lights off for him but that's not what he wanted, he wanted Hazel to do what she was told and go to bed, just like he told her not to wear so much make up and to go have her shower

[fingers]

They both "abused" each other. He did not hurt her and there is zero evidence that he would have done. She got a scare but she soon got over it, to the extent she climbed into his bed the following morning.

I maintain it is an serious insult to women (and men) who are in abusive relationships to lump Hazel in with them.

The only "SCARE" she got was when BB intervened and called Daley to the Diary Room, That's when she guiltily jumped out of bed and onto the chair, There was obviously no more danger to her from Daley but there could have been from BB if BB thought that she was instigating something. Guilty as hell just as she looked guilty in the house at the announcement of Daley's exit.
An accomplished liar and cocktease, Dan's next on the list if she can turn him.

[Kizzy]

The only "SCARE" she got was when BB intervened and called Daley to the Diary Room, That's when she guiltily jumped out of bed and onto the chair, There was obviously no more danger to her from Daley but there could have been from BB if BB thought that she was instigating something. Guilty as hell just as she looked guilty in the house at the announcement of Daley's exit.
An accomplished liar and cocktease, Dan's next on the list if she can turn him.

Daley was the one who turned.... She was wanting a hug?
He was being argumentative, intimidating and rude I'm talking the last 3mins here.
It was uncomfortable viewing.

[Niamh.]

The only "SCARE" she got was when BB intervened and called Daley to the Diary Room, That's when she guiltily jumped out of bed and onto the chair, There was obviously no more danger to her from Daley but there could have been from BB if BB thought that she was instigating something. Guilty as hell just as she looked guilty in the house at the announcement of Daley's exit.
An accomplished liar and cocktease, Dan's next on the list if she can turn him.

Wow, I just can't believe that you actually watched what he did to her and still say that. I would have been terrified if a man did that to me. It was scary even watching it. If she wasn't at all scared and was putting on an act then why didn't she act more upset in the Diary Room? She wasn't melo dramatic about it all, she told it like what we saw, she seemed confused at whether or not he was being serious but she said she felt a bit threatened when he said he would "nut her"

[kistar]

FFS stop referring to Hazel as an abused woman. It is an insult to those women who are trapped in abusive relationships.

Hazel could walk away any time. She chose not to.

Exactly!

[Kizzy]

Daley chose to put himself in the role of aggressor.... And he was removed from the house.
He admitted on bots he overstepped the mark, imo he did much more.

[fingers]

Hazel is a congenital liar and she will find out about what the public think of her "innocent" part in this whole debacle when she gets out -and the sooner she's out the better.

[anne666]

Excellent liar!

I am actually amazed that she did that. How she didn't seize upon the opportunity for sympathy and safety from noms is beyond what I thought of her. She may just be worried for once??

[Kizzy]

She is a pretty girl who flirted, she's not the first and she won't be the last. Mr knuckledragger should have kept his distance then..... Words fail me how his actions are being excused due to this.

[anne666]

The only "SCARE" she got was when BB intervened and called Daley to the Diary Room, That's when she guiltily jumped out of bed and onto the chair, There was obviously no more danger to her from Daley but there could have been from BB if BB thought that she was instigating something. Guilty as hell just as she looked guilty in the house at the announcement of Daley's exit.
An accomplished liar and cocktease, Dan's next on the list if she can turn him.
Sorry I can't stand the woman but I totally disagree.

[anne666]

She is a pretty girl who flirted, she's not the first and she won't be the last. Mr knuckledragger should have kept his distance then..... Words fail me how his actions are being excused due to this.

Me too.

[fingers]

She may have all kinds of sympathy on this forum, but she won't find the public so forgiving.

[CaudleHalbard]

She may have all kinds of sympathy on this forum, but she won't find the public so forgiving.

Indeed. She will get more boos than Wolfy!

Daley has seemingly already got the public on his side - if the tweets posted on here are anything to go by.... including suggestions that Hazel should be kicked out and Daley put back in!

[anne666]

She may have all kinds of sympathy on this forum, but she won't find the public so forgiving.

She has NO sympathy from me outside of the final part of that night. She still has no sympathy other than that as she is a user and she could get seriously hurt one day.Will she learn, I doubt it.

[Kizzy]

Maybe some neanderthal will slap it out of her?
I'm no fan and she was very provocative.... It's still no excuse.

[CaudleHalbard]

I do wonder whether Hazel had shot herself in the foot with her relentless pursuit of Daley and its unhappy outcome.

I think she was hoping to make some sort of career in the UK. Obviously when she is evicted, there will be some media interest in her side of the story. But, beyond that, has Hazel become Poison Ivy?

[anne666]

I do wonder whether Hazel had shot herself in the foot with her relentless pursuit of Daley and its unhappy outcome.

I think she was hoping to make some sort of career in the UK. Obviously when she is evicted, there will be some media interest in her side of the story. But, beyond that, has Hazel become Poison Ivy?
Was she after anything other than sleazy publicity ?I think not. She is devoid of morals and that is all she was after.

[anne666]

Maybe some neanderthal will slap it out of her?
I'm no fan and she was very provocative.... It's still no excuse.

That is the danger as far as I am concerned.

[fingers]

I do wonder whether Hazel had shot herself in the foot with her relentless pursuit of Daley and its unhappy outcome.

I think she was hoping to make some sort of career in the UK. Obviously when she is evicted, there will be some media interest in her side of the story. But, beyond that, has Hazel become Poison Ivy?

Her master plan to use BB as a conduit for her ultimate goal of a mi££ion pound deal with various Mags and/or agencies has just come crashing down amidst her scheming, she might get a topless photo in NUTS but as for a career, she blew it. Public opinion on her is pretty low.
Edit: If she's as smart as she thinks she is, she'll walk as soon as possible and try for some damage limitation as soon as she's out in the real world.

[CaudleHalbard]

That is the danger as far as I am concerned.

This. Hazel may be in danger outside the house, certainly not from Daley, but from haters - she seems to have plenty of those!

As I recall Grace was attacked a couple of weeks after her eviction.

However I assume Hazel will go home to Ireland where, I'm guessing, BB consciousness is not at the same level as in the UK. So she'll probably be ok. :)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Well she could have told everyone and played the sympathy card and milked it for all its worth but shes not made a big deal of it.

She said he shouldn't have been kicked out and was honest to Dan that she did feel threatened which was obvious when watching the footage but also said they were both play fighting.

She told Dan exactly what happened.

Cant win really can she.

[fingers]

This. Hazel may be in danger outside the house, certainly not from Daley, but from haters - she seems to have plenty of those!

As I recall Grace was attacked a couple of weeks after her eviction.

However I assume Hazel will go home to Ireland where, I'm guessing, BB consciousness is not at the same level as in the UK. So she'll probably be ok. :)

But her heart was set on a career in the U.K. Ireland is not quite the beating heart of Media exposure.

[fingers]

Well she could have told everyone and played the sympathy card and milked it for all its worth but shes not made a big deal of it.

She said he shouldn't have been kicked out and was honest to Dan that she did feel threatened which was obvious when watching the footage but also said they were both play fighting.

She told Dan exactly what happened.

Cant win really can she.

She told Dan she was "TERRIFIED" oh, really! and then in the house she didn't know why he was out! yeah right!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

She told Dan she was "TERRIFIED" oh, really! and then in the house she didn't know why he was out! yeah right!

That's what I mean by saying she wasnt milking it for attention.

She could have told the whole house and done a Charley BB8 but confided in 1 housemate.

She looked terrified to be honest I believe her.

What do you want her to do? Break down everyday, tell everyone to make them feel sorry for her and blame Daley?

She took responsibility aswell remember she hasn't just played the innocent victim.

[CaudleHalbard]

Despite her apologists on here, Hazel herself has enough nous to realise that if you persistently poke a pit-bull with a stick something bad can happen.

She knows she did a bit of poking. The pit-bull got ejected from its kennel and she's worried it will look bad for her.

I really don't think it's any more complex than that!

[anne666]

She is not milking it and I am very surprised. Yes she was scared who wouldn't be.Still think she is awful though. She could have been gone last week. D& G blew it.

[anne666]

:joker:Despite her apologists on here, Hazel herself has enough nous to realise that if you persistently poke a pit-bull with a stick something bad can happen.

She knows she did a bit of poking. The pit-bull got ejected from its kennel and she's worried it will look bad for her.

I really don't think it's any more complex than that!
:joker:Love the analogy !! Not the sentiment

[Miranda123]

Excellent liar!

What a vile girl she really is

CANT WAIT FOR THE INTERVIEW...........GO EMMA!

[Jesus.]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/39789247.jpg

[Niamh.]

Well she could have told everyone and played the sympathy card and milked it for all its worth but shes not made a big deal of it.

She said he shouldn't have been kicked out and was honest to Dan that she did feel threatened which was obvious when watching the footage but also said they were both play fighting.

She told Dan exactly what happened.

Cant win really can she.

exactly. She also told him she pulled his shorts down and got a warning. She was pretty truthful and not at all trying to vie for sympathy imo

[Indy]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/39789247.jpg

No, some people really are that stupid, and they aren't just here.

[Miranda123]

She is not milking it and I am very surprised. Yes she was scared who wouldn't be.Still think she is awful though. She could have been gone last week. D& G blew it.

The only reason she isnt 'milking it' is because she knows most of it was her fault and she doesnt want the others to know that so she 'doesnt want to talk about it" ha ha

not surprised, cause when the others find out what went on (and they'll have a pretty good idea on Friday after we all boo her to hell and back( she knows they will blame her, and rightly so

Daley is a nasty idiot (in drink) and Hazel is a nasty piece of work, in drink and sober

[CaudleHalbard]

I do agree that Hazel's account to Dan was the truth.

Was it the the WHOLE truth? Not so sure about that!

[anne666]

No, some people really are that stupid, and they aren't just here.
Agree
I must say that I have been perturbed by this type of comment and more than a bit disappointed in the human race. :conf:

[Niamh.]

I do agree that Hazel's account to Dan was the truth.

Was it the the WHOLE truth? Not do sure about that!

Again, though we obviously only got a couple of minutes of the conversation, what they did show of it was all truth

[fingers]

I do agree that Hazel's account to Dan was the truth.

Was it the the WHOLE truth? Not so sure about that!

It may have been the truth as she saw it, not the same thing!

[anne666]

[QUOTE=Miranda123;6178479]The only reason she isnt 'milking it' is because she knows most of it was her fault and she doesnt want the others to know that so she 'doesnt want to talk about it" ha ha

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Round and round we go then. Disagree entirely.

[Niamh.]

It may have been the truth as she saw it, not the same thing!

What part wasn't truthful? and obviously she can only tell it from her point of view but to me it was pretty much exactly what happened :conf:

[anne666]

What part wasn't truthful? and obviously she can only tell it from her point of view but to me it was pretty much exactly what happened :conf:

Yes I dont understand what she was supposed to be lying about?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I don't agree with her behaviour.

I think the fact she got with someones boyfriend is disgusting but unlike others I can see the situation isn't just black and white (excuse the pun).

Was she wrong to get with Daley?: YES

Did she deserve to get a hand around her throat and threatened with a head butt?: NO.

Simple as that.

I would be embaressed if I was in her situation and the last thing I would want to do is discuss it with the whole house.

Shes trying not to make a big deal out of it and if she had told the whole house Daley would have had a lot more flack on the outside from the other housemates crucifying his behaviour.

Instead we have just seen her confide in Dan, admit she played a role in the part, disagreed with him being kicked out and handled it a lot better than I thought.

Personally I think you're all just pissed off because you wanted to see the drama of the housemates reactions.

[fingers]

What part wasn't truthful? and obviously she can only tell it from her point of view but to me it was pretty much exactly what happened :conf:

You don't have to articulate something to be untruthful, just leave out a few salient points.

[chuff me dizzy]

She should have told them the full story IMO ,I just hope she doesnt now get the pity vote by the housemates and public

[Indy]

Again, though we obviously only got a couple of minutes of the conversation, what they did show of it was all truth

Not to mention, the whole "she lied" hysteria started based on a clip before the HL. Then on HL they showed 2 which expanded on what was seen the first time, including her saying "I'm not sure I'm allowed to say anything" and Dan saying, "say it and if you can't, they'll call you in on it". After that we see her called in and told she can tell or not tell whoever she wants.

BB did her a disservice by making that announcement without first telling her in the DR. They blindsided her, knowing the immediate reaction would be everyone to ask her what happened.

[CaudleHalbard]

Again, though we obviously only got a couple of minutes of the conversation, what they did show of it was all truth

Agreed but she was quite detailed about what he did to her. Much less detailed about her own part in the proceedings.

So it can be truthful without being the whole truth.

Which is why you have to swear to tell the whole truth in court. Not just bits of the truth.

[anne666]

You don't have to articulate something to be untruthful, just leave out a few salient points.

Which points?

[Niamh.]

I don't agree with her behaviour.

I think the fact she got with someones boyfriend is disgusting but unlike others I can see the situation isn't just black and white (excuse the pun).

Was she wrong to get with Daley?: YES

Did she deserve to get a hand around her throat and threatened with a head butt?: NO.

Simple as that.

I would be embaressed if I was in her situation and the last thing I would want to do is discuss it with the whole house.

Shes trying not to make a big deal out of it and if she had told the whole house Daley would have had a lot more flack on the outside from the other housemates crucifying his behaviour.

Instead we have just seen her confide in Dan, admit she played a role in the part, disagreed with him being kicked out and handled it a lot better than I thought.

Personally I think you're all just pissed off because you wanted to see the drama of the housemates reactions.

Exactly. I think no matter what way Hazel handled it, people who don't like her would find something wrong with.

[fingers]

She should have told them the full story IMO ,I just hope she doesnt now get the pity vote by the housemates and public

At the moment she is getting no pity and a lot of condemnation from the public, not necessarily the voting public, but who can tell?

[Niamh.]

You don't have to articulate something to be untruthful, just leave out a few salient points.

Like what though? You're making all these cryptic implications but you've not actually given a single example of what you're talking about

[anne666]

Exactly. I think no matter what way Hazel handled it, people who don't like her would find something wrong with.

I dont like her but I am capable of objectivity and have some emotional intellect. Some of the comments are so very subjective and verge on blinkered hysteria as a result

[fingers]

Like what though? You're making all these cryptic implications but you've not actually given a single example of what you're talking about

I watched the same video that you did, but I viewed as an unbiased observer, not like all the people who see only what they want to see.

EDIT: BTW I have given examples, but you either don't want them or interpret them in your own way.

[anne666]

I watched the same video that you did, but I viewed as an unbiased observer, not like all the people who see only what they want to see.

Oh come on unbiased ??? That is not what I have seen from you.

[Niamh.]

I dont like her but I am capable of objectivity and have some emotional intellect. Some of the comments are so very subjective and verge on blinkered hysteria as a result

Yeah that's true enough, I'll rephrase that to "alot" of people who dislike her :love:

I watched the same video that you did, but I viewed as an unbiased observer, not like all the people who see only what they want to see.

Ok but you're still side stepping and not giving an example.

[Indy]

I watched the same video that you did, but I viewed as an unbiased observer, not like all the people who see only what they want to see.

So it's everyone else that's biased? The people who can't stand her for flirting with a taken man and the people who loved her for her rack, but agree that he crossed the line - they're all biased in the exact same way?

You'd be a ton of laughs at a women's shelter. Tell me every gory detail of what he did to you, or you're a liar and I'm booting you from your room.

[Niamh.]

I watched the same video that you did, but I viewed as an unbiased observer, not like all the people who see only what they want to see.

EDIT: BTW I have given examples, but you either don't want them or interpret them in your own way.

Where?

[fingers]

Oh come on unbiased ??? That is not what I have seen from you.

what is your interpretation of unbiased?

[Miranda123]

[QUOTE=Miranda123;6178479]The only reason she isnt 'milking it' is because she knows most of it was her fault and she doesnt want the others to know that so she 'doesnt want to talk about it" ha ha

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Round and round we go then. Disagree entirely.

Friday is just not gonna be your night then love, sorry lolol

[Niamh.]

Agreed but she was quite detailed about what he did to her. Much less detailed about her own part in the proceedings.

So it can be truthful without being the whole truth.

Which is why you have to swear to tell the whole truth in court. Not just bits of the truth.

Well, she pulled his pants down, she told him that, there's not too much detail you can add to that really and again, we only just got a snippet of that conversation

[Miranda123]

So it's everyone else that's biased? The people who can't stand her for flirting with a taken man and the people who loved her for her rack, but agree that he crossed the line - they're all biased in the exact same way?

You'd be a ton of laughs at a women's shelter. Tell me every gory detail of what he did to you, or you're a liar and I'm booting you from your room.

Oh now she's a battered woman hahahahaha

Maybe BB should turn the SF into a Battered Womens Shelter for her, poor dear lolololol

CANT WAIT TO SEE EMMA DESTROY HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Indy]

Oh now she's a battered woman hahahahaha

Maybe BB should turn the SF into a Battered Womens Shelter for her, poor dear lolololol

CANT WAIT TO SEE EMMA DESTROY HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reading comprehension isn't your forte is it?

[anne666]

Reading comprehension isn't your forte is it?

Obviously not. I agree with your initial comment too.

[fingers]

Ask yourself this: Why did she run to Dan with her "Confession" ? Was it because she has him under her thumb, sorry, boobs! and he slavishly believes everything she tearfully whispers in his shell like? Why not go to the "Mature" mother figure Jackie? Just a thought.

[Niamh.]

Ask yourself this: Why did she run to Dan with her "Confession" ? Was it because she has him under her thumb, sorry, boobs! and he slavishly believes everything she tearfully whispers in his shell like? Why not go to the "Mature" mother figure Jackie? Just a thought.

hhhhmm let me think about that one...........because Dan is her closest friend in there?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I watched the same video that you did, but I viewed as an unbiased observer, not like all the people who see only what they want to see.

EDIT: BTW I have given examples, but you either don't want them or interpret them in your own way.

Did you watch the 5 hours of live feed before this video was even released?

If so then you would have seen his behaviour was disturbing days before with even forum members including myself saying they wouldn't be shocked if he hit Hazel.

You cant form an opinion on that edited clip shown on the highlights and that's why I was so angry at Emmas interview last night plus some stupid cow getting applauded for saying it all started over a pillow fight.

It didn't lol.

[kefln]

Oh now she's a battered woman hahahahaha

Maybe BB should turn the SF into a Battered Womens Shelter for her, poor dear lolololol

CANT WAIT TO SEE EMMA DESTROY HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And here comes the commentary from the cheap seats...

[kefln]

Reading comprehension isn't your forte is it?

Or lateral thinking.. :joker:

[Kazanne]

I thought flirting was a case of eye contact ,fluttering eyelashes,and eyebrow raising,flicking hair and giving the lips a pout,in general how you 'look' at people,I never thought wrapping your legs round someone ,begging to be hugged,and being so tactile was part of it,blimey what have I missed?

[Kazanne]

Did you watch the 5 hours of live feed before this video was even released?

If so then you would have seen his behaviour was disturbing days before with even forum members including myself saying they wouldn't be shocked if he hit Hazel.

You cant form an opinion on that edited clip shown on the highlights and that's why I was so angry at Emmas interview last night plus some stupid cow getting applauded for saying it all started over a pillow fight.

It didn't lol.

So if it was 'disturbing' WHY didn't BB sort him out then ,and why did BB pair them together?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I thought flirting was a case of eye contact ,fluttering eyelashes,and eyebrow raising,flicking hair and giving the lips a pout,in general how you 'look' at people,I never thought wrapping your legs round someone ,begging to be hugged,and being so tactile was part of it,blimey what have I missed?

I think you're getting flirting in 2013 mixed up with a Disney princess from a 1950's cartoon.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

So if it was 'disturbing' WHY didn't BB sort him out then ,and why did BB pair them together?

How the hell am I supposed to answer that?

I aint BB.

Did you watch the live feed?

He was thrashing about on the bed, talking to himself, controlling Hazel and lied on his kids lives it was really disturbing.

Big Brother would have been monitoring it but were hoping for some sex imo.

[Indy]

So if it was 'disturbing' WHY didn't BB sort him out then ,and why did BB pair them together?

Why did they let Conor leave with 50k. Why did they ask Deana if she felt safe without telling her why they were asking. Why did they let Wolfy keep spitting all over the house.

The lack of question marks is intentional. Those are all simply euphemisms for incompetence.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

This is the live feed thread we were all watching and talking about on that night.

We were pretty much all saying the way he was acting was disturbing and wouldn't be surprised if he would get violent.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6168287&posted=1#post6168287

[fingers]

Did you watch the 5 hours of live feed before this video was even released?

If so then you would have seen his behaviour was disturbing days before with even forum members including myself saying they wouldn't be shocked if he hit Hazel.

You cant form an opinion on that edited clip shown on the highlights and that's why I was so angry at Emmas interview last night plus some stupid cow getting applauded for saying it all started over a pillow fight.

It didn't lol.

Yes I saw all the Live Feeds and the Vids AND the HL shows and Yes I do know that Daley was a fool and was listening to his genitalia and not his head, BB wanted them in the safe house so planned the vote to be controlled by teenies expecting rumpy pumpy (same as BB) a vote starting about 11pm and finishing at 12 noon on Saturday was alway going to attract the voters they wanted.

I do not condone what he, Daley, did but neither will I accept that Hazel is totally innocent of any involvement in his expulsion.

[anne666]

How the hell am I supposed to answer that?

I aint BB.

Did you watch the live feed?

He was thrashing about on the bed, talking to himself, controlling Hazel and lied on his kids lives it was really disturbing.

Big Brother would have been monitoring it but were hoping for some sex imo.

EXACTLY and didn't it backfire on them

[kefln]

I thought flirting was a case of eye contact ,fluttering eyelashes,and eyebrow raising,flicking hair and giving the lips a pout,in general how you 'look' at people,I never thought wrapping your legs round someone ,begging to be hugged,and being so tactile was part of it,blimey what have I missed?

You might have missed daleys horror at her advances...no sorry...the fact that he was giving as much as he was getting - despite having a girlfriend with kids watching.

You also might have missed the idea that hugs and leg wraps dont normally lead to strangle holds and headbutts...least in most peoples world....

But its ok, he was hungry, and had a little alcohol, so she deserved it

[anne666]

Yes I saw all the Live Feeds and the Vids AND the HL shows and Yes I do know that Daley was a fool and was listening to his genitalia and not his head, BB wanted them in the safe house so planned the vote to be controlled by teenies expecting rumpy pumpy (same as BB) a vote starting about 11pm and finishing at 12 noon on Saturday was alway going to attract the voters they wanted.

I do not condone what he, Daley did but neither will I accept that Hazel is totally innocent of any involvement in his expulsion.

So men don't have any self control when a woman is flirting then ? She had no idea what a rage he was in and was behaving no differently to the way she always has with him. Not her fault that he has major issues IMO.

[kefln]

I do not condone what he, Daley did but neither will I accept that Hazel is totally innocent of any involvement in his expulsion.

So you admit that BB, and the general viewership, wanted a little kissing and cuddling under the sheets. That is the same BB that brought daleys girlfriend onto BOTS, and the same audience that are calling hazel a homewrecker.

We all know that hazel was lookingfor the relationship to move up a notch. They were alone, there had been drinking, she was looking for attention.

What no one was expecting was daley grabbing her by the throat and threatening to "nut" her.

Hazel is "guilty" of looking for a little sexual contact. Daley is guilty of restraining a girl and threatening assault. This is not a case of apples vs oranges. This is a case of apples vs tiger shark.

[fingers]

So men don't have any self control when a woman is flirting then ? She had no idea what a rage he was in and was behaving no differently to the way she always has with him. Not her fault that he has major issues IMO.

Not what I'm saying at all she knew how to arouse him and then deflate him, she'd done it several times, this time it blew up in her face, almost literally.

[fingers]

So you admit that BB, and the general viewership, wanted a little kissing and cuddling under the sheets. That is the same BB that brought daleys girlfriend onto BOTS, and the same audience that are calling hazel a homewrecker.

We all know that hazel was lookingfor the relationship to move up a notch. They were alone, there had been drinking, she was looking for attention.

What no one was expecting was daley grabbing her by the throat and threatening to "nut" her.

Hazel is "guilty" of looking for a little sexual contact. Daley is guilty of restraining a girl and threatening assault. This is not a case of apples vs oranges. This is a case of apples vs tiger shark.

Whatever.

[anne666]

Not what I'm saying at all she knew how to arouse him and then deflate him, she'd done it several times, this time it blew up in her face, almost literally.

I didn't see that going on at all that night, sorry.

[fr0d0]

Hazel knows that the entire world outside knows what happened. She has a chance for a breather right now. If she lied to Dan how would that go down with the public. She's got a big enough problem with her public image rather than in the house right now. If I were her if want to be getting some outside the house advice now.

[anne666]

So you admit that BB, and the general viewership, wanted a little kissing and cuddling under the sheets. That is the same BB that brought daleys girlfriend onto BOTS, and the same audience that are calling hazel a homewrecker.

We all know that hazel was lookingfor the relationship to move up a notch. They were alone, there had been drinking, she was looking for attention.

What no one was expecting was daley grabbing her by the throat and threatening to "nut" her.

Hazel is "guilty" of looking for a little sexual contact. Daley is guilty of restraining a girl and threatening assault. This is not a case of apples vs oranges. This is a case of apples vs tiger shark.
Exactly Hazel was unaware of his built up mysogynistic rage and was still going for the mag deals.To her that was what was going on for both of them. Debasing as well of course.

[anne666]

Hazel knows that the entire world outside knows what happened. She has a chance for a breather right now. If she lied to Dan how would that go down with the public. She's got a big enough problem with her public image rather than in the house right now. If I were her if want to be getting some outside the house advice now.

She did not lie to Dan . She told him why she thought D had been evicted.

[Kazanne]

How the hell am I supposed to answer that?

I aint BB.

Did you watch the live feed?

He was thrashing about on the bed, talking to himself, controlling Hazel and lied on his kids lives it was really disturbing.

Big Brother would have been monitoring it but were hoping for some sex imo.

Oh calm down and get a cold drink:wavey:

[CaudleHalbard]

Looks to me as if Hazel is the one feeling guilty and that Daley feels more annoyed than guilty.

[anne666]

Victims of abuse usually feel guilty.

[Kazanne]

You might have missed daleys horror at her advances...no sorry...the fact that he was giving as much as he was getting - despite having a girlfriend with kids watching.

You also might have missed the idea that hugs and leg wraps dont normally lead to strangle holds and headbutts...least in most peoples world....

But its ok, he was hungry, and had a little alcohol, so she deserved it

I didn't say he wasn't:joker: cant stand the guy,he's a knob,I was merely asking of peoples interpretations of 'flirting' Jeez,people need to get out the sun!

[anne666]

Looks to me as if Hazel is the one feeling guilty and that Daley feels more annoyed than guilty.

Daley feels more annoyed, full stop.

[CaudleHalbard]

Victims of abuse usually feel guilty.

True, but in this instance some guilt is wholly justified as she tormented the crocodile!

Daley seems to be genuinely aggrieved, however.

[kefln]

Whatever.

Considered retort. Well phrased. With a start, middle and end.

Given the matter a lot of thought before putting all the blame on hazel then? :hugesmile:

[fingers]

Looks to me as if Hazel is the one feeling guilty and that Daley feels more annoyed than guilty.
She has been feeling, and looking, guilty since Daley got booted,

She knows what was recorded, but she doesn't know that it was on live feed, they all still think that LF is from 7 to 9. She'd be crapping in her pants (if she had any on) if she thought that the public had seen what happened.

[fingers]

Considered retort. Well phrased. With a start, middle and end.

Given the matter a lot of thought before putting all the blame on hazel then? :hugesmile:

Whatever.

[CaudleHalbard]

Whatever.

Lol! :D

[anne666]

True, but in this instance some guilt is wholly justified as she tormented the crocodile!

Daley seems to be genuinely aggrieved, however.

Of course he does. He didn't get away with his vile behaviour. The first sentence I have to ignore for the sake of my blood pressure.OLD GROUND

[kefln]

Looks to me as if Hazel is the one feeling guilty and that Daley feels more annoyed than guilty.

And what does that say?

From her perspective her friend has been kicked out of the house for something that she was involved in. Its plain to see that she had the hots for the guy. Her comments yesterday Included being worried that this incident might effect his career. That the press might haunt him.

What she doesntoknow is that he has completely sold her down the river. As has BOTS. As has BB itself.

Pin the blame on her, higher ratings, more votes. Pin it on him, hes out, no more to be made off it

[anne666]

She has been feeling, and looking, guilty since Daley got booted,

She knows what was recorded, but she doesn't know that it was on live feed, they all still think that LF is from 7 to 9. She'd be crapping in her pants (if she had any on) if she thought that the public had seen what happened.

It was only what BB wanted until caveman swung into action.

[fingers]

It was only what BB wanted until caveman swung into action.

Can't disagree with that except "caveman" is emotive and unnecessary>

[kefln]

Whatever.

Thats all you got? :joker:

There is no better way to admit that you have no reply. Keep the "whatevers" up, as each one confirms you have nothing....:wavey:

[CaudleHalbard]

Well judging by Twitter etc, the public seem to have concluded that both Hazel and Daley share the responsibility except it's NOT 50/50..........

........... more like 90% Hazel's fault!

She will be hard put to overcome that. Eviction next week methinks.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Well judging by Twitter etc, the public seem to have concluded that both Hazel and Daley share the responsibility except it's NOT 50/50..........

........... more like 90% Hazel's fault!

She will be hard put to overcome that. Eviction next week methinks.

If the public had watched the whole live feed it would be more like 80/20 imo.

I just cant get over how bad the whole situation was edited.

[bez87]

Wow if them figure's are right, i actually have no respect for society. How does a girl get blamed when he has been trying to control her for the passed 2days and then demands she comes in to go to sleep, to the point he grabs her neck and threatens to nut her. that it is down to her. crazy.

On Topic tho, why would Hazel tell everybody, i'm pretty sure if that was me i wouldn't one everyone to know what happened, and the whole guilty thing :S hazel didn't get him kicked out, BB did that off their own back, thats why they allow daley to go back and spend alot of the day in the garden because they had to way it up.

[anne666]

Can't disagree with that except "caveman" is emotive and unnecessary>

True though IMO. The world has moved on since his kind of caveman behaviour was acceptable. Perhaps he is really EXTREMELY old then ??She needs some lessons in self respect then maybe she will begin to respect others. Hopefully before this happens with no-one to stop the carnage she may encounter.

[anne666]

Well judging by Twitter etc, the public seem to have concluded that both Hazel and Daley share the responsibility except it's NOT 50/50..........

........... more like 90% Hazel's fault!

She will be hard put to overcome that. Eviction next week methinks.

Yes I can believe that. Sad indictment on today's society. AND I still disagree with you

[anne666]

Wow if them figure's are right, i actually have no respect for society. How does a girl get blamed when he has been trying to control her for the passed 2days and then demands she comes in to go to sleep, to the point he grabs her neck and threatens to nut her. that it is down to her. crazy.

On Topic tho, why would Hazel tell everybody, i'm pretty sure if that was me i wouldn't one everyone to know what happened, and the whole guilty thing :S hazel didn't get him kicked out, BB did that off their own back, thats why they allow daley to go back and spend alot of the day in the garden because they had to way it up.

They also had to consult lawyers to cover their own backs for NOT stepping in sooner I would think.

[fingers]

Thats all you got? :joker:

There is no better way to admit that you have no reply. Keep the "whatevers" up, as each one confirms you have nothing....:wavey:
Whatever

[bez87]

They also had to consult lawyers to cover their own backs for NOT stepping in sooner I would think.

yea i'm guessing that as well, i mean the reality is, if he can do that with a bit of drink in him, with a girl he has known for only 2 seconds, what could of happened next, i guess they couldn't take that chance.

Same goes for the bad interview, Emma would of been briefed before hand on what she can ask and what she can't and thats probably the reason why the whole him having a gf thing didn't get pushed but what a total disgrace that they interviewed her, for rating and making daley look so bad but then turn round a week later to daley and go o well we met your girlfriend last week, and we know she is here today with you :S i mean come on.

[anne666]

If the public had watched the whole live feed it would be more like 80/20 imo.

I just cant get over how bad the whole situation was edited.

The whole point of the edit was IMO to dilute it to protect themselves.The majority of viewers watch the evening show. The video of the live feed was removed to stop people seeing the whole thing.Watching the show it looked as if she had walked in and woken him up. He was lying there raging nowhere near asleep.

[Niamh.]

The whole point of the edit was IMO to dilute it to protect themselves.The majority of viewers watch the evening show. The video of the live feed was removed to stop people seeing the whole thing.Watching the show it looked as if she had walked in and woken him up. He was lying there raging nowhere near asleep.

Yep, I was posting on the FB page earlier and none of those people seemed to know what i was talking about when I mentioned that he'd been the one to start it all by demanding she go to bed and lying to her and swearing on his kids life that BB told him she had to go to bed. It was all that poor Daley wanted to sleep but Hazel wouldn't let him

[RodHull]

On Topic tho, why would Hazel tell everybody, i'm pretty sure if that was me i wouldn't one everyone to know what happened, and the whole guilty thing :S hazel didn't get him kicked out, BB did that off their own back, thats why they allow daley to go back and spend alot of the day in the garden because they had to way it up.

When BB announced daley was gone you could see Dan instantly knew something was up cause he could see in Hazels eyes something had happened but that clearly she didnt want to discuss it in public like that.

I think considering I cant stand her that she has handled herself really well since it happened. She knows she went to far as well, she knows she has some responsibility, shes ashamed of what happened for numerous reasons, but shes also displaying classic abuse victim behaviour or blaming herself and defending him.

If she wanted public sympathy or sympathy from the house she could have recounted the whole sorry affair but has chosen to not do that, speaks volumes imo. She just wants to forget it all and move on. I still cant believe people are attacking the girl for being basically abused.

[fingers]

When BB announced daley was gone you could see Dan instantly knew something was up cause he could see in Hazels eyes something had happened but that clearly she didnt want to discuss it in public like that.

I think considering I cant stand her that she has handled herself really well since it happened. She knows she went to far as well, she knows she has some responsibility, shes ashamed of what happened for numerous reasons, but shes also displaying classic abuse victim behaviour or blaming herself and defending him.

If she wanted public sympathy or sympathy from the house she could have recounted the whole sorry affair but has chosen to not do that, speaks volumes imo. She just wants to forget it all and move on. I still cant believe people are attacking the girl for being basically abused.

Wait until she comes out to a proper reality check!

[anne666]

yea i'm guessing that as well, i mean the reality is, if he can do that with a bit of drink in him, with a girl he has known for only 2 seconds, what could of happened next, i guess they couldn't take that chance.

Same goes for the bad interview, Emma would of been briefed before hand on what she can ask and what she can't and thats probably the reason why the whole him having a gf thing didn't get pushed but what a total disgrace that they interviewed her, for rating and making daley look so bad but then turn round a week later to daley and go o well we met your girlfriend last week, and we know she is here today with you :S i mean come on.

Yes it almost made them look like happy families and that nasty woman had led him astray.Then crass Emma helps him along in his denial filled head with "It takes two to tango" I couldn't believe she said that ???? Pure exploitation messing with peoples lives.He should be suing BB for selecting him in the first place.He is nowhere near fit to be on a show like that and BB have certainly capitalised out of his dysfunction. Also does he know the word NO!where a determined woman like Hazel, yuk, is concerned poor little boy my backside as far as any of that drivel is concerned. They deserved each other .LOL. He has children and what are they being out through now ?

[Niamh.]

Wait until she comes out to a proper reality check!

Reality check in what way?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I just don't understand why people thinks she has to tell everyone what happened.

If it had happened to me I wouldn't feel that I had to tell all my friends I would only confide in a few trusted people as would most people on here.

I wouldn't want everyone knowing my business.

[fingers]

I just don't understand why people thinks she has to tell everyone what happened.

If it had happened to me I wouldn't feel that I had to tell all my friends I would only confide in a few trusted people as would most people on here.

I wouldn't want everyone knowing my business.

This happened in the BB House, or have you forgotten that?

[RodHull]

Wait until she comes out to a proper reality check!

What the reality check that most people in society are total sheep who still live in the dark ages and see women being attacked as them 'asking for it'

Frankly she could have danced naked in front of him mocking his family and it still wouldnt give him the right to do what he did. That you and others think otherwise says more about you all than her...

[anne666]

I just don't understand why people thinks she has to tell everyone what happened.

If it had happened to me I wouldn't feel that I had to tell all my friends I would only confide in a few trusted people as would most people on here.

I wouldn't want everyone knowing my business.

No Neither would I but as I have said before I am surprised she hasnt used it for sympathy and nom saving.

[fingers]

What the reality check that most people in society are total sheep who still live in the dark ages and see women being attacked as them 'asking for it'

Frankly she could have danced naked in front of him mocking his family and it still wouldnt give him the right to do what he did. That you and others think otherwise says more about you all than her...

that's a particularly fatuous statement and a very presumptuous one at that.

[Marsh.]

Personally I think you're all just pissed off because you wanted to see the drama of the housemates reactions.

Exactly this. Also, I think some people forget we are watching real people who, despite their flaws, are human and have feelings.

But oh no, everything's a machination like we're watching an exaggerated soap.

Hazel was not a liar, she was put on the spot and felt awkward. I'm sure had she spilled the beans and told the whole tale to the whole house she'd be chastised just as much if not more.

People can't separate their dislike of her from the situation, and that's the main problem. They can't see that although Hazel's no angel that it in no way makes her to blame for any of Daley's actions.

[fingers]

Reality check in what way?

I don't see a need to answer obtuse questions.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I don't see a need to answer obtuse questions.

Your answers have thus far just been mere 1 worded or a short sentences anyway.

Nothing of substance and not really contributing to this topic.

[RodHull]

No Neither would I but as I have said before I am surprised she hasnt used it for sympathy and nom saving.

Thats what tells me she was genuinely affected by it. A girl like Hazel would use situations normally to gain favour or sympathy but she just doesnt want to even talk about it.

[Marsh.]

This happened in the BB House, or have you forgotten that?

Which means the housemates have to fill each other in on everything why?

If BB didn't deem that the other housemates should know any further details then it's up to Hazel who she is or isn't comfortable talking to.

How many times do we see housemates who have received formal warnings announcing it to the whole house and explaining why? Very rarely.

[fingers]

Your answers have thus far just been mere 1 worded or a short sentences anyway.

Nothing of substance and not really contributing to this topic.

Whatever

[anne666]

Thats what tells me she was genuinely affected by it. A girl like Hazel would use situations normally to gain favour or sympathy but she just doesnt want to even talk about it.

Yes I think that too.

[the truth]

Whatever

c Montgomery burns doesn't need to speak full sentence:wavey:

[vivparker]

they need to show the house what acually happened from begining to end

I totally agree. her recollection was a little bit off pat - she made it sound like they were both nicking each others covers when, from wot I saw, it was only her. she also didn't mention the egging him on to "scare her". she is a dangerous girl who appears to have dug her claws into dan now. Daley's actions were unforgiveable but she has got to accept that she was partly responsible.

[anne666]

I totally agree. her recollection was a little bit off pat - she made it sound like they were both nicking each others covers when, from wot I saw, it was only her. she also didn't mention the egging him on to "scare her". she is a dangerous girl who appears to have dug her claws into dan now. Daley's actions were unforgiveable but she has got to accept that she was partly responsible.

I now give up completely.WHAT ????

[amu]

Excellent liar!

It is amazing that she can do it with a straight face, yes.

[Uvam Acerbam]

I'd just like to weigh in with a few thoughts.

1. A lot of people seem to think that this is his fault or her fault. Wrong. The blame belongs to both of them. Daley is a knuckledragger who should not have been allowed on the show in the first place. Any psychologist would have seen that he has issues with both misogyny and violence. To put them in the SH together was a time bomb. Hazel is a classic manipulator. She uses men. I'm thinking that in her travels she may not have encountered anyone as unhinged as Daley and wasn't prepared for the reaction she received. I think that she's lucky it happened in the BB house where she had a safety net and not in some flat alone with a monster.

2. Hazel told the truth to the house. No way. As someone else said there is the truth and the whole truth. Her version is missing some details that might put her in a not so angelic light. People are saying that she didn't want to talk about it. Bollocks, She wanted everyone to know so as to avoid eviction. But she's smart/devious enough to know that by getting Dan to tell the story she can both look more innocent and also avoid some details. She also knows that because Dan is smitten with her, he'll only say things that show her in a good light. I think she knows that she is toast as far as the GBP are concerned and her only hope is not to get nominated.

3. While I agree that NO ONE deserves to have a hand on their throat and to be pinned down, I really don't think that Hazel was scared at any time that night. She knew that BB would intervene if it got out of hand. She also knew that they were both in trouble as soon as BB called Daley to the DR. She immediately went into innocent mode. She jumped out of the bed and sat in the chair and drew her knees up to her chest. Too late. She should have done that immediately after Daley choked her. All she had to do is yell STOP.

I know that I'll probably get a lot of stick for saying some of these things but they're my opinions and if you don't like them.....the message box below is waiting.

[the truth]

I'd just like to weigh in with a few thoughts.

1. A lot of people seem to think that this is his fault or her fault. Wrong. The blame belongs to both of them. Daley is a knuckledragger who should not have been allowed on the show in the first place. Any psychologist would have seen that he has issues with both misogyny and violence. To put them in the SH together was a time bomb. Hazel is a classic manipulator. She uses men. I'm thinking that in her travels she may not have encountered anyone as unhinged as Daley and wasn't prepared for the reaction she received. I think that she's lucky it happened in the BB house where she had a safety net and not in some flat alone with a monster.

2. Hazel told the truth to the house. No way. As someone else said there is the truth and the whole truth. Her version is missing some details that might put her in a not so angelic light. People are saying that she didn't want to talk about it. Bollocks, She wanted everyone to know so as to avoid eviction. But she's smart/devious enough to know that by getting Dan to tell the story she can both look more innocent and also avoid some details. She also knows that because Dan is smitten with her, he'll only say things that show her in a good light. I think she knows that she is toast as far as the GBP are concerned and her only hope is not to get nominated.

3. While I agree that NO ONE deserves to have a hand on their throat and to be pinned down, I really don't think that Hazel was scared at any time that night. She knew that BB would intervene if it got out of hand. She also knew that they were both in trouble as soon as BB called Daley to the DR. She immediately went into innocent mode. She jumped out of the bed and sat in the chair and drew her knees up to her chest. Too late. She should have done that immediately after Daley choked her. All she had to do is yell STOP.

I know that I'll probably get a lot of stick for saying some of these things but they're my opinions and if you don't like them.....the message box below is waiting.

no one has said its all her fault.... nearly everyone who is fair minded have said it is both their faults and both behaved awfully in many ways over a period of time

[the truth]

What the reality check that most people in society are total sheep who still live in the dark ages and see women being attacked as them 'asking for it'

Frankly she could have danced naked in front of him mocking his family and it still wouldnt give him the right to do what he did. That you and others think otherwise says more about you all than her...

I think youre quote is from the dark ages, everyone has to take responsibility for their actions including women

[Niamh.]

I don't see a need to answer obtuse questions.

You haven't answered any questions I've asked you. You make all these claims but back them up with no examples

[fingers]

You haven't answered any questions I've asked you. You make all these claims but back them up with no examples

Maybe you should watch both Vids again?

[Niamh.]

Maybe you should watch both Vids again?

I've watched them all enough thanks

[Raph]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/716d008fbee45a201433ed119378b647/tumblr_mpc65wuE311s1jfdoo5_500.gif

[Miranda123]

Victims of abuse usually feel guilty.

Dont you dare compare Hazel to abuse victims

Thats just wrong.

[CaudleHalbard]

Oh god we're not still on "Hazel is an abused woman" kick are we?

It's an abuse of the word abuse. Hazel will certainly be subjected to verbal abuse when she exits the house though! ;)

[Miranda123]

Did you watch the 5 hours of live feed before this video was even released?

If so then you would have seen his behaviour was disturbing days before with even forum members including myself saying they wouldn't be shocked if he hit Hazel.

You cant form an opinion on that edited clip shown on the highlights and that's why I was so angry at Emmas interview last night plus some stupid cow getting applauded for saying it all started over a pillow fight.

It didn't lol.

You are probably right, so even stranger that she continued to try to get him to s..g her and wouldnt let the man sleep until he did

"when Im scared, I get into bed with the person who scares me and spend the night"

EMMA WILLIS CAN SEE WHEN A SCAM IS BEING PULLED................GO EMMA

CANT WAIT FOR HER TO GRILL THAT S....K (and I dont mean steak) lololol

[reece(:]

Dont you dare compare Hazel to abuse victims

Thats just wrong.
Well she was a victim of being struck by Daley, that's a fact.... people really do worry me on here.

[CaudleHalbard]

Well she was a victim of being struck by Daley, that's a fact.... people really do worry me on here.

Which she probably enjoyed and spent the rest of the night with him and got into his bed the following morning.

Watch out for the Hazel/Daley reconciliation pics in the mags after she leaves! ;)

[Raph]

Which she probably enjoyed and spent the rest of the night with him and got into his bed the following morning.

Watch out for the Hazel/Daley reconciliation pics in the mags after she leaves! ;)

Agreed. Hazel was no victim really.

[Speedster]

Ever thought she might be a bit embarrassed admitting she was strangled and pinned down by him? Just an idea


This. And maybe she didn't know what he did would -definately- lead to him being thrown out. You don't know what she was thinking.