Daley on BBOTS

[Kulafey]

So Daley is more or less saying that Hazel was asking for it? And shame on Emma for agreeing. No matter what Hazel has done (and I'm no fan of hers) no woman deserves to be grabbed round the throat, pinned to the bed and threatened with violence. And now he's full of BS about how "the house" made him cheat on his Gf.
He's a disgrace and they shouldn't give such a misogynistic bully air time.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

I know its sickening.

[Josy]

I don't think he said that at all tbh, he said what everyone else has been saying since it happened that it started off as play fighting and he took it too far..

[snail69]

I thought he came off quite sincere and he genuinely seemed to be sorry for his actions in the house.

I'm not condoning his actions but I do believe that the house got the better of him and in the end he didn't recognise himself.

I think the whole experience will benefit him and he will move on from this whole thing and succeed in life.

[Drew.]

I thought he came off quite sincere and he genuinely seemed to be sorry for his actions in the house.

I'm not condoning his actions but I do believe that the house got the better of him and in the end he didn't recognise himself.

I think the whole experience will benefit him and he will move on from this whole thing and succeed in life.

agreed

[Northern Monkey]

As much as i agree,He should'nt have treated a woman like that.I kinda think the drink had alot to do with it.I've seen peoples character totally change to be unrecognisable when they're very drunk.I'm not excusing what he did,It was wrong.Maybe he should'nt have drunk so much knowing he can't handle it.

[Niamh.]

That was a ****ing farce, shame on Emma for how she handled it too, ****ing disgusting, they're more or else condoning what he did and blaming Hazel as much

[cookiemonster]

he needs help and should never have been let on the show

[smeagol]

emma should be ashamed of herself and also she needs to start learning about bb as all tonight she is totally cluless

what a waste of time. he never said sorry for what he did. he is blaming hazel and bbbots seem quite happy with that with the amount of asskissing she done which was pathetic

[Kazanne]

So Daley is more or less saying that Hazel was asking for it? And shame on Emma for agreeing. No matter what Hazel has done (and I'm no fan of hers) no woman deserves to be grabbed round the throat, pinned to the bed and threatened with violence. And now he's full of BS about how "the house" made him cheat on his Gf.
He's a disgrace and they shouldn't give such a misogynistic bully air time.

He didn't say that at all,he said he would let people make their own minds up regarding hazel,why do people fabricate?

[Verbal]

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.

[GypsyGoth]

That was a ****ing farce, shame on Emma for how she handled it too, ****ing disgusting, they're more or else condoning what he did and blaming Hazel as much

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[Josy]

How were they blaming Hazel? :conf:

[RichardG]

I can't believe I sat through 30 minutes of BBBOTS to watch that rubbish. All tonight has done is remind me why I never watch that show. And what was Emma saying? "It takes two to tango"? Maybe so, but it only takes one to pin someone down to the bed by their neck and threaten them. Complete nonsense.

[Vicky.]

I thought he came off quite sincere and he genuinely seemed to be sorry for his actions in the house.

I'm not condoning his actions but I do believe that the house got the better of him and in the end he didn't recognise himself.

I think the whole experience will benefit him and he will move on from this whole thing and succeed in life.

I would agree with this tbh

Was disgusted with Emma though, pretty much saying it was 50/50 for the blame. Yes, they were both flirting, but only one of them snapped and turned aggressive.

[Drew.]

How were they blaming Hazel? :conf:

yeah, i dont think they put any blame on Hazel.. the interview was based on how he was in the wrong.

[Niamh.]

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.

What a load of sexist bollox, Hazel is to blame because she's attractive and flirted with him and the poor man couldn't cope with that? Give me a ****ing break. He has no self control, that's 100% his fault, no one elses

[south12345]

Some people are certainly reading between the lines.......

[smeagol]

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.


lol that sounds a lot like the girl who wears a mini skirt deserved to be rapped argument as asking for it.. shocking

[reece(:]

Niamh is spilling the truth tea.:worship:

[Verbal]

What a load of sexist bollox, Hazel is to blame because she's attractive and flirted with him and the poor man couldn't cope with that? Give me a ****ing break. He has no self control, that's 100% his fault, no one elses

Classic reading what you want to read. I quite clearly stated the 'incident' is totally unacceptable, and he acknowledged that.

There is no doubting whatsoever that she has used her 'womanly charms' for weeks to manipulate the situation in her favour. She's been like a cat with a ball of wool.

[GiRTh]

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.Wow.:shocked:

[Niamh.]

Classic reading what you want to read. I quite clearly stated the 'incident' is totally unacceptable, and he acknowledged that.

There is no doubting whatsoever that she has used her 'womanly charms' for weeks to manipulate the situation in her favour. She's been like a cat with a ball of wool.

She's single, if she wants to flirt she can, all it would have taken was for Daley to tell her no, I have a g/f and that would have been the end of it (I'm referring to the flirting btw not what happened last night) but instead he decided to write I like you on her leg and tell her that she was giving him the horn.

[Johnnyuk123]

Niamh is spilling the truth tea.:worship:

This.

[armand.kay]

Niamh is spilling the truth tea.:worship:
Yas she better preach it.

[Marsh.]

His apology means f all when it contains an "if".

He says he learned and needs help but then continued to blame external influences.

Good luck to him and everything but he'll only get better when he accepts responsibility.

[thesheriff443]

I don't think he said that at all tbh, he said what everyone else has been saying since it happened that it started off as play fighting and he took it too far..

he was blaming it on the drink, that means he was not in control, how far would it of went without bb.

[Jack_]

Emma hate is a bit OTT, I took the whole 50/50 thing as a reference to the flirting and relationship they had (which I agree with and she has made clear over the past few weeks), not Sunday night's incident

[Johnnyuk123]

What next? The twins spit roasting Hazel and getting off with a warning?

[Verbal]

She's single, if she wants to flirt she can, all it would have taken was for Daley to tell her no, I have a g/f and that would have been the end of it (I'm referring to the flirting btw not what happened last night) but instead he decided to write I like you on her leg and tell her that she was giving him the horn.

Some men, when they have got a pretty face, big tits and a firm ass constantly in their face do not have the strength of character to back off. She held the power, and she should not have acted in the way that she did.

[Marsh.]

Engage your brain you silly little person. Its 'raped' by the way. Women are the stronger sex when it comes to well...sex. She used that fact to manipulate the situation.

And what exactly does Hazel's sexual ability have to do with him turning aggressive?

Engage your own brain, Daley's actions are his own fault and no one else's.

[Drew.]

Emma hate is a bit OTT, I took the whole 50/50 thing as a reference to the flirting and relationship they had (which I agree with and she has made clear over the past few weeks), not Sunday night's incident

yeah she made it quite obvious she was completely against his behavior with Hazel before tonight, i dont think any of her "takes two to tangle" comments were to do with last night.

[Niamh.]

Some men, when they have got a pretty face, big tits and a firm ass constantly in their face do not have the strength of character to back off. She held the power, and she should not have acted in the way that she did.

Excuse me but isn't that "some mens" problem for being weak willed arseholes? And frankly I thinking it's pretty insulting to men to say they're that stupid and lack that much self control

[Verbal]

And what exactly does Hazel's sexual ability have to do with him turning aggressive?

Engage your own brain, Daley's actions are his own fault and no one else's.

If you read what I wrote, you will see that I have totally seperated the two situations. His behaviour towards the end was totally inexcusable, and he acknowledged that.

[thesheriff443]

That was a ****ing farce, shame on Emma for how she handled it too, ****ing disgusting, they're more or else condoning what he did and blaming Hazel as much

this a 100 per cent how any woman can come on here and blame hazel for daley squeezing her throat is disgusting.

[Josy]

he was blaming it on the drink, that means he was not in control, how far would it of went without bb.

He still never mentioned anything about it all Hazels fault like the OP suggested and that's what my post was regarding..so not really sure what the point in your post is?

Emma hate is a bit OTT, I took the whole 50/50 thing as a reference to the flirting and relationship they had (which I agree with and she has made clear over the past few weeks), not Sunday night's incident

I agree the Emma hate is OTT, she conducted the interview professionally IMO.

Also agree with the rest of your post.

[Marsh.]

Some men, when they have got a pretty face, big tits and a firm ass constantly in their face do not have the strength of character to back off. She held the power, and she should not have acted in the way that she did.

This "men are weak when it comes to a beautiful woman" is bollocks, and sexist bollocks at that.

Men are capable of controlling themselves if they want to, he didn't and it is therefore his own fault. No one else can be blamed for it.

Pinning her to the bed showed who had the physical power in that time.

[Verbal]

Excuse me but isn't that "some mens" problem for being weak willed arseholes? And frankly I thinking it's pretty insulting to men to say they're that stupid and lack that much self control

Women hold the power..if a woman says NO thats the end of it. She at no point told him to back off, she encouraged it, knowing full well she was totally ****ing his life up.

[Niamh.]

If you read what I wrote, you will see that I have totally seperated the two situations. His behaviour towards the end was totally inexcusable, and he acknowledged that.

He in no way acknowledged that he was sorry to Hazel though..........you know the actual person he pinned to the bed and threatened?

[Withano]

I thought Daley came across well. Emma can **** off though.

[smeagol]

What next? The twins spit roasting Hazel and getting off with a warning?

lol thats a bad image lol. some people here would say she was asking for it cause shes got big boobs a model and teasing them with hugs lol
even emma would probably say arnt those chubby boys funny takes 3 to tango lol

[CaudleHalbard]

The BOTS audience and panel - and indeed Emma - seemed to have very little sympathy for Hazel.

"It takes two" was the general sentiment.

[Speedster]

That was a ****ing farce, shame on Emma for how she handled it too, ****ing disgusting, they're more or else condoning what he did and blaming Hazel as much

I think this was a really tricky interview for Emma, she had to walk a fine line; she had to ask about Hazel, but she also had to understand than none of us knew what was in his head at the time and needed space to explain himself, she also had to be a sensitive human being and realise that the last 24 hrs have been horrendous for him so may have took it easy on him.

[Verbal]

He in no way acknowledged that he was sorry to Hazel though..........you know the actual person he pinned to the bed and threatened?

Yes he did, you are clearly the type of person who only reads/hears/sees what they want to.

Anyway, haven't got time for this. Got work in the morning.

[Marsh.]

Women hold the power..if a woman says NO thats the end of it. She at no point told him to back off, she encouraged it, knowing full well she was totally ****ing his life up.

Yes, of course she was. :bored:

[alex_front2]

At least Daley acknowledged that Dexter, Callum, AND Gina warned him regarding Hazel

[thesheriff443]

He still never mentioned anything about it all Hazels fault like the OP suggested and that's what my post was regarding..so not really sure what the point in your post is?



I agree the Emma hate is OTT, she conducted the interview professionally IMO.

Also agree with the rest of your post.

all I want to know is, if daley had you round the throat how would you feel?

[reece(:]

Cannot believe that Katie is standing by him after it all

[Johnnyuk123]

Hazel only had to smile at Daley and he would get an erection ( without drink ) Thats how much he was in control of the situation. It's his own fault 100% yet tonights BBOTS show he showed what a real snake he is by not apologising directly to Hazel for pinning her down by the throat and saying he would nut her. THE VICTIM.

[Niamh.]

Yes he did, you are clearly the type of person who only reads/hears/sees what they want to.

Anyway, haven't got time for this. Got work in the morning.

He absolutely did not, he apologised to the viewers if it offended anyone and he said he didn't want to say anything about Hazel and that "he'll let people make up their own minds" which to me meant he was angry with her. He then said that he'd asked Hazel if he was crossing a line (in regards to their flirting not the incident) and he said that Hazel told him he wasn't (trying to make out it was her fault because she told him it was fine) eventhough we'd all heard him claim in there that he didn't actually have a g/f at all so why is he now saying that he wanted to know about crossing lines?....

[Niamh.]

Hazel only had to smile at Daley and he would get an erection ( without drink ) Thats how much he was in control of the situation. It's his own fault 100% yet tonights BBOTS show he showed what a real snake he is by not apologising directly to Hazel for pinning her down by the throat and saying he would nut her. THE VICTIM.

:worship:

[mr rochester]

So...HE requested to go on the prog. and they capitulated - despite the fact they made him leave through the back door (as he should). Are we now to expect that thug reading the news, giving us weather forecasts or taking a prominent role on world politics progs simply because he has requested to appear? He should never have been given that platform. Apart from making his necessary apology for offending women (so men don't get offended by his behaviour obviously) he actually said nothing and was his usual gibbering self. Explaining things without giving an actual explanation (hinting at his past with no supporting evidence), advising us all he is a loner and can't sit at a dinner table...Admitting he had hurt his girlfriend but wasn't prepared to beg to get her back...Rah...rah...rah. His GF is there supporting him after he behaves like that to her and disgracing himself spectacularly...Emma has done herself no favours by carrying out this interview. His mawkish self pity should not have been shown. He should not have been on the prog. end of..

[smudgie]

The whole interview was a Load of tosh.
In fact the whole show was.
Emma was a disgrace, starting with her 50/50 garbage
He did not apologize t o Hazel,in fact he showed no remorse.
Even his apology to any women who may have been offended was totally Hollow the minute he used the IF word.
I reckon he does not realise that he offended decent men as well.


Emma saying it takes two to tango was the last straw.

[CaudleHalbard]

Cannot believe that Katie is standing by him after it all

Lol! I would have been more surprised if she hadn't. For some people to be alone is 100 times worse than being with an arsewipe! ;)

[vicky]

The BOTS audience and panel - and indeed Emma - seemed to have very little sympathy for Hazel.

"It takes two" was the general sentiment.

It may take two to flirt but there was only one responsible for the threatening behaviour so that was an inappropriate thing for emma to say.

[Josy]

all I want to know is, if daley had you round the throat how would you feel?

What on earth does that have to do with anything I have posted in this thread and also can't you debate a topic without getting personal?

Let me make this clear.

The OP of this thread states that Daley layed all the blame on Hazel during his interview and that isn't true which is what I posted in reply.

So why are you bringing up the strangling thing?

I have posted my opinion in plenty of threads about the assault.

[Speedster]

Excuse me but isn't that "some mens" problem for being weak willed arseholes? And frankly I thinking it's pretty insulting to men to say they're that stupid and lack that much self control


This is spot on. Men do what they do because they WANT to, and what we do is ALWAYS our responsibility because the idea pops up in our brains, no-one else's.

[smeagol]

The whole interview was a Load of tosh.
In fact the whole show was.
Emma was a disgrace, starting with her 50/50 garbage
He did not apologize t o Hazel,in fact he showed no remorse.
Even his apology to any women who may have been offended was totally Hollow the minute he used the IF word.
I reckon he does not realise that he offended decent men as well.


Emma saying it takes two to tango was the last straw.

if i had a hat id tip it lol well said

[reece(:]

Lol! I would have been more surprised if she hadn't. For some people to be alone is 100 times worse than being with an arsewipe! ;)
Reminds me of Rihanna and Chris Brown !

[Johnnyuk123]

The whole interview was a Load of tosh.
In fact the whole show was.
Emma was a disgrace, starting with her 50/50 garbage
He did not apologize t o Hazel,in fact he showed no remorse.
Even his apology to any women who may have been offended was totally Hollow the minute he used the IF word.
I reckon he does not realise that he offended decent men as well.


Emma saying it takes two to tango was the last straw.

He can apologise to women all over the UK on national tv IF he offended them but NOT to the woman he pinned down by the throat wanting to nut. Sick, very very sick.

[Kulafey]

What a load of sexist bollox, Hazel is to blame because she's attractive and flirted with him and the poor man couldn't cope with that? Give me a ****ing break. He has no self control, that's 100% his fault, no one elses
absolutely. people are making a moral judgement on Hazel but not daley, yet Daley is the only one who was cheating, It seems that's ok though, because he can't help himself, what with being a man and all - that's obviously why rapists get away with it, cos these attractive single women shouldn't be talking or smiling or being so goddamn sexy - they're just asking for it - aren't they? And worse they are using that sexist moral judgement to justify a large powerful man grabbing a woman around the throat, pinning her to the bed and threatening to head butt her. Its a ******ing disgrace. And Emma Willis is a ******ing disgrace too for suggesting that Hazel must take half the blame.

[CaudleHalbard]

He can apologise to women all over the UK on national tv IF he offended them but NOT to the woman he pinned down by the throat wanting to nut. Sick, very very sick.

See the thread about the Daily Star article.

Daley is presenting himself as the wronged man and Hazel as evil.

[Northern Monkey]

I think they had to give him an interview as they always say that they have to give a person the right to reply.They interviewed Katie and will ask Hazel about it when she goes,They had no option but to give him his say.

[thesheriff443]

What on earth does that have to do with anything I have posted in this thread and also can't you debate a topic without getting personal?

Let me make this clear.

The OP of this thread states that Daley layed all the blame on Hazel during his interview and that isn't true which is what I posted in reply.

So why are you bringing up the strangling thing?

I have posted my opinion in plenty of threads about the assault.

no, he did blame it all on hazel the violence he blamed on the drink, which a lot of wife beaters do!
calm down with the personal stuff!, I wanted to know who you think is to blame!

[Niamh.]

This is spot on. Men do what they do because they WANT to, and what we do is ALWAYS our responsibility because the idea pops up in our brains, no-one else's.

Exactly. I mean is he really trying to make out that he was that dim and that clueless about what acceptable behaviour while you're in a relationship is that he needs to rely on other peoples opinions when he's away from his g/f? A "g/f" who he incidentally forgot he was actually still going out with in the last week

[Vicky.]

It may take two to flirt but there was only one responsible for the threatening behaviour so that was an inappropriate thing for emma to say.

Well hello there Vicky

You are the reason I have to have a fullstop on the end of my forum name http://www.toffeetalk.com/public/style_emoticons/default/shaking%20fist.png

[Niamh.]

absolutely. people are making a moral judgement on Hazel but not daley, yet Daley is the only one who was cheating, It seems that's ok though, because he can't help himself, what with being a man and all - that's obviously why rapists get away with it, cos these attractive single women shouldn't be talking or smiling or being so goddamn sexy - they're just asking for it - aren't they? And worse they are using that sexist moral judgement to justify a large powerful man grabbing a woman around the throat, pinning her to the bed and threatening to head butt her. Its a ******ing disgrace. And Emma Willis is a ******ing disgrace too for suggesting that Hazel must take half the blame.

:worship:

[Josy]

no he did blame it all on hazel the violence he blamed on the drink, which a lot of wife beaters do!
calm down with the personal stuff!, I wanted to know who you think is to blame!

I disagree.

Read my posts in the numerous other threads about the asault if you want to know my opinion, this thread is about tonight's interview.

[Niamh.]

Well hello there Vicky

You are the reason I have to have a fullstop on the end of my forum name http://www.toffeetalk.com/public/style_emoticons/default/shaking%20fist.png

:laugh2:

Now to find NIAMH :suspect:

[thesheriff443]

I disagree.

Read my posts in the numerous other threads about the asault if you want to know my opinion, this thread is about tonight's interview.

jesus your on one!, forget I asked!

[Kulafey]

He absolutely did not, he apologised to the viewers if it offended anyone and he said he didn't want to say anything about Hazel and that "he'll let people make up their own minds" which to me meant he was angry with her. He then said that he'd asked Hazel if he was crossing a line (in regards to their flirting not the incident) and he said that Hazel told him he wasn't (trying to make out it was her fault because she told him it was fine) eventhough we'd all heard him claim in there that he didn't actually have a g/f at all so why is he now saying that he wanted to know about crossing lines?....
Yes, this was what I was referring to it my original post about him blaming Hazel.

[Marsh.]

The basis of it is if he came on and said his intentions weren't to hurt anyone and he accepts he went too far then fair enough.

But I can't accept the blame game where he listed every external factor he could (food, drink, the room, the house, Hazel etc) for what he did.

Regardless of the assault though I detest the insinuation that Hazel takes ANY blame for his cheating. That's not 50/50, that's 100% on him that HE cheated.

Going with someone else's boyfriend is 100% on Hazel, but the decision by Daley himself to treat his girlfriend the way he did by instigating a relationship with her is all on him.

[Niamh.]

The basis of it is if he came on and said his intentions weren't to hurt anyone and he accepts he went too far then fair enough.

But I can't accept the blame game where he listed every external factor he could (food, drink, the room, the house, Hazel etc) for what he did.

Regardless of the assault though I detest the insinuation that Hazel takes ANY blame for his cheating. That's not 50/50, that's 100% on him that HE cheated.

Going with someone else's boyfriend is 100% on Hazel, but the decision by Daley himself to treat his girlfriend the way he did by instigating a relationship with her is all on him.

Exactly.

[rionablue]

So Daley is more or less saying that Hazel was asking for it? And shame on Emma for agreeing. No matter what Hazel has done (and I'm no fan of hers) no woman deserves to be grabbed round the throat, pinned to the bed and threatened with violence. And now he's full of BS about how "the house" made him cheat on his Gf.
He's a disgrace and they shouldn't give such a misogynistic bully air time.

I absolutely agree. He said he was sorry if what happened offended WOMEN out there. Not a **** about Hazel.
Hazel on tonights highlights show: I hope Daley will be ok. He's not a bad person and I hope he will be ok outside the house
Daley on BBBOTS : I will let the people make up their own mind about Hazel. I am sorry if what I did offended women as I would never hurt a woman like that!!!!
**** off Daley. And shame on Katie for sticking by him or accompanying him tonight. She made it very clear the night she was on that she was going to leave and start again with her child. Is she condoning his behaviour? Because no way would I stand by someone who acted in this way

[joeysteele]

I have been pretty irritated at the way Hazel was always seeking him out,no matter where he was and really doing a fair bit more than just flirting with him.
She sadly, in my view, gave the indication that if he wanted her, he could have her,at certain points.
She did even once say to him she was really frustrated in the house.

From his angle,I have been more irritated at his lack of full respect and consideration for his girlfriend outside, Daley was the person in a relationship and he should have said from the start to Hazel that he was a no go area, if that is how he actually at that time saw himself to be.

I also was irritated at BB too, for when they did the pairings to ever set out to manipulate the situation and set them up as a pair for the safe house and to be totally alone at times.

From there though, Daley's behaviour on the night in question was way out of order, it is true Hazel began the 'playfighting' but it was Daley who turned really sinister and nasty and yes, threatening.
Dan for instance got a warning for just saying he would like to punch Callum to another housemate.
Daley actually took hold of Hazel and threatened her directly,with his hands on her, not once but at least twice, 'I will finish you' and 'nut you' being the offensive terminology used by him.
That is where he was totally wrong and Hazel being the clear victim in that.

In his interview with Emma tonight, he did harp on about the drink a bit but all he had to do was not drink. It is that simple.
If he wasn't a regular drinker then he already had that control so just leave it be.
My guess is Emma's interview will have had guidelines from BB as to it but I did think he got a very easy ride on bbbots.

This is in part, the very reason women who get abused or attacked, do not always come forward as to it,because some think they were likely asking for it or provoked it.
No way did Daley need to get that angry or threatening over a bed cover,it is very worrying that he could in fact.

It is right he is out the house now, maybe with all his emotional problems he should naever have been in it.
While it certainly can be said that they were both 50/50 to blame for the relationship building up in the first place, it is Daley who is 100% to blame for the rather ugly scenes we saw last night, that was down to him and him alone in my view.

I feel Hazel got a bit of a raw deal from Emma and the others on bbbots tonight.
Disappointing interview really for me.

[mr rochester]

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

[vicky]

Well hello there Vicky

You are the reason I have to have a fullstop on the end of my forum name http://www.toffeetalk.com/public/style_emoticons/default/shaking%20fist.png

Hello

I am Vicky from the past. Not been here in a while.

[smeagol]

Hello

I am Vicky from the past. Not been here in a while.

time traveller lol

[CaudleHalbard]

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

Cos he's a bit of a nutter? ;)

[rusticgal]

he needs help and should never have been let on the show

Agree...he has issues and this should have been recognised knowing the process they have to go through.
Alcohol can have such an effect on people and part of me has a great deal of sympathy with him.
He needs help....perhaps people should be a little more sympathetic because of his plight. His behaviour was inexcusable and it was right to remove him from the house. Hazel did not deserve that BUT hopefully she will learn that she should not antagonise people...she was guilty of that and she knows it. Recognise danger when you see it and diffuse it because we are all very different and you never know who you are dealing with.

[arney]

Who was scripted most? Emma or Daley?

Anyone noticed Daley's eyes....? trying to remember what he was told to say.

[rusticgal]

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

Because he has issues that need to be addressed...

[Niamh.]

I have been pretty irritated at the way Hazel was always seeking him out,no matter where he was and really doing a fair bit more than just flirting with him.
She sadly, in my view, gave the indication that if he wanted her, he could have her,at certain points.
She did even once say to him she was really frustrated in the house.

From his angle,I have been more irritated at his lack of full respect and consideration for his girlfriend outside, Daley was the person in a relationship and he should have said from the start to Hazel that he was a no go area, if that is how he actually at that time saw himself to be.

I also was irritated at BB too, for when they did the pairings to ever set out to manipulate the situation and set them up as a pair for the safe house and to be totally alone at times.

From there though, Daley's behaviour on the night in question was way out of order, it is true Hazel began the 'playfighting' but it was Daley who turned really sinister and nasty and yes, threatening.
Dan for instance got a warning for just saying he would like to punch Callum to another housemate.
Daley actually took hold of Hazel and threatened her directly,with his hands on her, not once but at least twice, 'I will finish you' and 'nut you' being the offensive terminology used by him.
That is where he was totally wrong and Hazel being the clear victim in that.

In his interview with Emma tonight, he did harp on about the drink a bit but all he had to do was not drink. It is that simple.
If he wasn't a regular drinker then he already had that control so just leave it be.
My guess is Emma's interview will have had guidelines from BB as to it but I did think he got a very easy ride on bbbots.

This is in part, the very reason women who get abused or attacked, do not always come forward as to it,because some think they were likely asking for it or provoked it.
No way did Daley need to get that angry or threatening over a bed cover,it is very worrying that he could in fact.

It is right he is out the house now, maybe with all his emotional problems he should naever have been in it.
While it certainly can be said that they were both 50/50 to blame for the relationship building up in the first place, it is Daley who is 100% to blame for the rather ugly scenes we saw last night, that was down to him and him alone in my view.

I feel Hazel got a bit of a raw deal from Emma and the others on bbbots tonight.
Disappointing interview really for me.


Great post Joey, spot on

[rionablue]

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.

Oh yeah blame Hazel again for something that HE instigated in the first place. He started gravitating towards her and she then reciprocated it when he told her that he and his girlfriend werent a definite item and had agreed to just talk after the show. Daley is a grown man. Even if Hazel flirted and flirted with him and he really loved his gf he would never have started anything with Hazel. She is being painted as a wicked witch who hypnotised him. She didnt and even though she should have reigned in the flirting he made his own choices

[lily.]

That was a ****ing farce, shame on Emma for how she handled it too, ****ing disgusting, they're more or else condoning what he did and blaming Hazel as much

This.

[CaudleHalbard]

I think we are seeing the effect of all the hatred directed towards Hazel when she was seen as the homewrecker.

You can't expect people to do an instant u-turn. There will be a feeling that she got her come uppance. She didnt get hurt but had a fright.

[mr rochester]

Because he has issues that need to be addressed...

Yes I agree he has issues...having issues does not excuse someone for being able to make appropriate judgement calls or indeed taking responsibility for one's actions.

[smudgie]

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

[Amy Jade]

Emma was horrible, she literally tried to heap the blame on to Hazel at every opportunity.

She's gone right down in my opinion after this.

[mr rochester]

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

I completely agree...I said earlier on another thread that Emma was placing herself in a potential career-limiting situation by doing this interview. She has not acquitted herself well and this will be remembered...

[CaudleHalbard]

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

Who knows how Emma is seen?

Just as many people may think she did an excellent job in tricky circumstances, especially if she was constrained for legal reasons.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

yeah, i dont think they put any blame on Hazel.. the interview was based on how he was in the wrong.

You are right but it is a pity that they didn't put any blame on Hazel as she did lead him on a bit. However he was deffo wrong (and an idiot) for showing his aggressive and controlling side and for that BB did right to kick him off the show. I do pity his g/f and any g/f in the future. He really does need to sort himself out.

[smeagol]

emma to daily in no way was this all your fault

jesus emma lost all respect for her now . bbots has become a joke getting kaite on now this does emma know katie she acts like they best friends n daley

[Kulafey]

The real problem I have with people's replies here is that they are making moral judgements about Hazel and using that to justify Daley's assault on her. Hazel is a single woman. Its maybe not "nice" of her to make a play for a man who is involved with someone else, but it is not immoral on her part - she has made no promises to another person, she is single and free to do what she pleases, the fault for cheating is Daley's. But even if we agreed that Hazel alone was to blame for the ongoing flirting and sexual tension, even if she did exert her "sexual power" over Daley, that does not mean that she therefore somehow "deserves" an abusive attack. Saying Hazel "deserved it" or that her "behavior" was bad, or that she "knew what she was doing" or that she "led him on" or that Daley just "let things get out of hand" sounds scarily like the excuses given every day by abusive men, by rapists. Those sort of comments allow men like this to excuse their own behaviour - much along the lines that Daley did tonight - "I'm sorry, but...."
Maybe Hazel does have lax morals, maybe her behaviour could have been different, who knows maybe she is a homewrecking sl*pper.
But whatever she is, she didn't deserve to be a victim of abuse.

[Niamh.]

Who knows how Emma is seen?

Just as many people may think she did an excellent job in tricky circumstances, especially if she was constrained for legal reasons.

I'm not quite sure why he was even given the interview in the first place tbh, I mean has an ejected HM ever gotten an interview before? Maybe they have and I've just forgotten but I don't recall any. I mean at the end of the day BOTS is a Big Brother show and BB decided that Daleys behaviour warranted his expulsion from the house and Hazels did not but still, Emma, who is BB's representative, seemed to be saying that maybe Hazel should have been kicked out as well and that it was both their faults

[muchadoaboutnothing]

emma to daily in no way was this all your fault

jesus emma lost all respect for her now . bbots has become a joke getting kaite on now this does emma know katie she acts like they best friends n daley

Seems to me that Emma was pointing out the facts and for that she has gone up in my estimation as a brilliant presenter and interviewer.

[rionablue]

Women hold the power..if a woman says NO thats the end of it. She at no point told him to back off, she encouraged it, knowing full well she was totally ****ing his life up.

Daley went into the house telling everyone he had a girlfriend. Hazel kept her distance from him for the first few weeks. He was just one of the housemates and pretty much on the outside of the group rather than integral to it. Then suddenly he began to notice Hazel and developed feelings for her. All of a sudden he went from ' I have a girlfriend' to 'I dont really have a relationship we agreed to talk when I came out of the house' Hazel is single and she was attracted to him. He made the first move. It was HIS responsibilty to steer clear of the situation, keep his infatuation to himself and not start cuddling Hazel and writing on her hand that he liked her. Hazel CANNOT be blamed for this.

[Kizzy]

Argh! was so annoyed emma was almost apologising to him! It was totally out of order her placating him making excuses for his disgusting outburst!!

Bliddy furious about that, absolute rollocks... What the hell was she thinking?

[smeagol]

Seems to me that Emma was pointing out the facts and for that she has gone up in my estimation as a brilliant presenter and interviewer.

lol yeah condoning violence and threats she is wonderful. amzing job not biased at all.

id sack her

[rionablue]

The BOTS audience and panel - and indeed Emma - seemed to have very little sympathy for Hazel.

"It takes two" was the general sentiment.

if you notice its almost always the women in the audience ( some of them not blessed with good looks) that are gunning for Hazel. Jealous Jealous Jealous end of!!!!! Its the same most years when someone pretty comes into the house. They were all gunning for Noirin also and she was more a wiley flirty character than Hazel could ever be.

[mr rochester]

Emma was bordering on sycophancy during this cringeworthy interview...

[Miranda123]

I am so glad that after last nights BBOTS trying to ignore the 'EVENT' that Emma not only interviewed Daley,but also expressed her personal distaste of Hazel and her actions

Daley went a bit overboard with the 'self analysis@ and I think he was pushing his luck trying to get us to feel sorry for him by blaming his 'childhood?? but it was refreshing to see that Emma was allowed to express her feelings at Hazels behaviour and let us see that, like most right thinking people, she thinks Hazel should have gone too

Cant wait for Hazels Eviction interview yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy

[CaudleHalbard]

I'll bet there was a jump in the ratings tonight.

Since BB moved to C5 I get the impression ratings are even more important than they used to be.

[Visage]

Well hello there Vicky

You are the reason I have to have a fullstop on the end of my forum name http://www.toffeetalk.com/public/style_emoticons/default/shaking%20fist.png

Ha! I did wonder why your avatar had changed to Rachel.:hugesmile:

[kefln]

The daley sob fest.

All about how hard life has been lately, that he had alot to sort out, that alcohol was the main problem on the night. A few tears. A heart felt moment about girlfriend that he *****ed over on the show. His plea to the audience on how he'd nevet hurt a woman. And his obvious attempt to blame hazel.

Note that everytime Daleys behaviour came up, emma was at pains to point out that its 50/50. But when hazel "blame" was mentioned she was happy to agree. No 50/50 there.

The interview was total get out of jail free card.

[rionablue]

The basis of it is if he came on and said his intentions weren't to hurt anyone and he accepts he went too far then fair enough.

But I can't accept the blame game where he listed every external factor he could (food, drink, the room, the house, Hazel etc) for what he did.

Regardless of the assault though I detest the insinuation that Hazel takes ANY blame for his cheating. That's not 50/50, that's 100% on him that HE cheated.

Going with someone else's boyfriend is 100% on Hazel, but the decision by Daley himself to treat his girlfriend the way he did by instigating a relationship with her is all on him.

HEAR HEAR :wavey:

[Amy Jade]

I'm still shocked Hazel is getting the blame from some people, yes she is guilty of being a big old flirt but how anyone can think that makes her deserve to be pinned down and clearly scared and intimidated by somebody?

[MTVN]

I can see why they were trying to treat the issue very sensitively and give Daley a chance to explain himself, but I would probably agree with those that say they were too lenient on him. At no point was he really pressed or put under the spotlight and it's all very well him apologising to any women that were offended but what about apologising to the woman who he actually pinned to the bed by her neck and threatened? He talked a lot about 'being a man' but then seemed to deflect responsibility and not really accept just how in the wrong he was. Would also agree that Emma didn't really go far enough to condemn what he did, a couple of times going on about how "it takes two" which is a pretty ridiculous comment in light of how far things went.

[Jack_]

Emma hate is a bit OTT, I took the whole 50/50 thing as a reference to the flirting and relationship they had (which I agree with and she has made clear over the past few weeks), not Sunday night's incident

do i need to repeat this or

[Niamh.]

do i need to repeat this or

No it wasn't

[smudgie]

The way Emma conducted the interview, I thought she was going to get up and pat him on the back and say " job well done"

[kefln]

I'm still shocked Hazel is getting the blame from some people, yes she is guilty of being a big old flirt but how anyone can think that makes her deserve to be pinned down and clearly scared and intimidated by somebody?

So when hazel gets evicted, in front of a braying crowd out for her blood, will she get the same respect and time to relay her story? Will she be allowed to blame everything else but herself? Will she be allowed to talk about how hard her life has been?

Im guessing no. The guy who gets the boot will be given every chance to tell the world his story. But the girl will be "branded"

Shocking turn of events

[Niamh.]

So when hazel gets evicted, in front of a braying crowd out for her blood, will she get the same respect and time to relay her story? Will she be allowed to blame everything else but herself? Will she be allowed to talk about how hard her life has been?

Im guessing no. The guy who gets the boot will be given every chance to tell the world his story. But the girk will be "branded"

Yep and do you reckon that Emma will be as gentle and understanding towards her? I'm thinking no

[CaudleHalbard]

Showing Hazel on the morning after her experience will not help her in the victim role.

First climbing into Daley's bed to hug him then chatting to Daley as she put on her make up and them both lightheartedly discussing what their fate might be.

Daley will be able to use that as evidence that, if anything, he is the one who had been victimised (by BB).

[mr rochester]

The way Emma conducted the interview, I thought she was going to get up and pat him on the back and say " job well done"

Correct! She probably did but it was edited...Worst interview ever...he should have been nailed not applauded/apologised to/sycophanted all over...disgusting...humph...

[rionablue]

I am so glad that after last nights BBOTS trying to ignore the 'EVENT' that Emma not only interviewed Daley,but also expressed her personal distaste of Hazel and her actions

Daley went a bit overboard with the 'self analysis@ and I think he was pushing his luck trying to get us to feel sorry for him by blaming his 'childhood?? but it was refreshing to see that Emma was allowed to express her feelings at Hazels behaviour and let us see that, like most right thinking people, she thinks Hazel should have gone too

Cant wait for Hazels Eviction interview yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy+
RUBBISH and you are very very much in the minority here. And not most right thinking people think Hazel should have gone. Jealous bitches do!!!!

[kefln]

I can see why they were trying to treat the issue very sensitively and give Daley a chance to explain himself, but I would probably agree with those that say they were too lenient on him. At no point was he really pressed or put under the spotlight and it's all very well him apologising to any women that were offended but what about apologising to the woman who he actually pinned to the bed by her neck and threatened? He talked a lot about 'being a man' but then seemed to deflect responsibility and not really accept just how in the wrong he was. Would also agree that Emma didn't really go far enough to condemn what he did, a couple of times going on about how "it takes two" which is a pretty ridiculous comment in light of how far things went.
It was a total white wash of his actions. Emma was simply there to remind everyone that "it takes two to tango".

No apology to the girl whos neck he grabbed. No hard questions on his behaviour.

[Niamh.]

Showing Hazel on the morning after her experience will not help her in the victim role.

First climbing into Daley's bed to hug him then chatting to Daley as she put on her make up and them both lightheartedly discussing what their fate might be.

Daley will be able to use that as evidence that, if anything, he is the one who had been victimised (by BB).

although tbf it was alot different from what some people were claiming early, the whole spooning and laying in bed bit? He asked her for a cuddle (for a change) which she gave him and got in his bed for a minute but jumped out again, it looked awkward and she didn't look comfortable

[kefln]

Yep and do you reckon that Emma will be as gentle and understanding towards her? I'm thinking no

Going by tonight. No. She'll be left out to dry....

[joeysteele]

although tbf it was alot different from what some people were claiming early, the whole spooning and laying in bed bit? He asked her for a cuddle (for a change) which she gave him and got in his bed for a minute but jumped out again, it looked awkward and she didn't look comfortable

Exactly, she was far more distant.

[Jack_]

No it wasn't

Yes it really was and she has made it clear over the last few weeks she thinks their relationship has been totally 50/50 blame wise (which it has) so this isn't some new turn up for the books omg how could Emma say this

Any reference she made to 'it takes two to tango' about the incident was about the way they were BOTH playfighting initially, which they were

That doesn't mean she's responsible for what happened so I wish some people would stop making out that some people are suggesting this but they were both initially playfighting so I'm pretty sure that's what she meant about them both being involved

Can we also just be clear that the tone of the interview and indeed the questions asked will have largely been up to the producers too, if they wanted her to be all 'URACUNT WHY DID YOU DO THIS' then they'd have said so, it was by no means a perfect interview in the sense that I don't feel as though he answered to everything he could have done but it wasn't a bad interview. I'll just reiterate something I dreaded last night...can you imagine that interview with AJ and Rylan? Paxman isn't into Big Brother so Emma's the best you're gonna get

[rionablue]

Showing Hazel on the morning after her experience will not help her in the victim role.

First climbing into Daley's bed to hug him then chatting to Daley as she put on her make up and them both lightheartedly discussing what their fate might be.

Daley will be able to use that as evidence that, if anything, he is the one who had been victimised (by BB).

Daley asked for a hug I think he knew at that stage he was in trouble. She went to hug him but got straight back out of his bed. She also looked uncomfortable when she was talking to him

[Jords]

Emma was professional, no bias, was understanding, probed him but let him explain. Overall good interview.

Still think Daley should have apologised directly about Hazel if he scared her etc. but they will need to talk after the show. Hes pissed me off writing **** to the papers though, will only reflect bad on him.

Hazel has been great in the house about the whole thing.

[Kulafey]

I would urge people who are disgusted by the whole thing to complain to Channel 5 on customerservices@channel5.com
I have just sent them this email:

Dear Sir/Madam,
I wish to complain about the interview with Daley Ojuederie conducted by Emma Willis on tonight's show (broadcast 16/07/13), in relation to Mr Ojuederie's aggressive and abusive attack on fellow housemate Hazel O'Sullivan and subsequent removal from the house.
Throughout the interview Ms Willis repeatedly offered platitudes to Mr Ojuederie, suggesting that he was not entirely to blame for the assault and that Ms O'Sullivan was also to blame. Ms Willis repeatedly said "It takes two to tango" suggesting equal blame on the part of Ms O'Sullivan and later said to Mr Ojuederie "There is no way you are entirely to blame for this". She also asked Mr Ojuederie his opinion on Ms O'Sullivan, suggesting that Ms O'Sullivan had in some way treated him badly.
I found the whole interview distasteful. This man, a trained boxer, put his hands around Ms O'Sullivan's throat, before pushing her down and pinning her to the bed by her arms and then threatened to "finish her" and to "nut her one". To offer the merest hint that Ms O'Sullivan was in any way to blame for any aspect of this attack is disgraceful and I am shocked and appalled at Channel 5 and Miss Willis for not only allowing a violent abuser a platform to make his excuses from, but to be complicit in those excuses.
I would suggest that Ms Willis and Channel 5 are out of touch with the realities of violent crime against women and of their viewers feelings on such matters. Indeed, many viewers in the online forum community are calling for Ms Willis' dismissal. At the very least, an apology should be made by Ms Willis for her behaviour during this interview and by Channel 5 for not only giving Mr Ojuederie a platform from which to place blame elsewhere, but for allowing the interview to be conducted in such a disgraceful manner.

Yours sincerely,

[smudgie]

although tbf it was alot different from what some people were claiming early, the whole spooning and laying in bed bit? He asked her for a cuddle (for a change) which she gave him and got in his bed for a minute but jumped out again, it looked awkward and she didn't look comfortable

She did look very uncomfortable. She was out of that bed before she g o t in nearly.
And what was Daley leaning his arm across her while she was putting her make up on all about.
I think BB were out of order putting them both back in the same room. Put Hazel in a very awkward position.

[CaudleHalbard]

although tbf it was alot different from what some people were claiming early, the whole spooning and laying in bed bit? He asked her for a cuddle (for a change) which she gave him and got in his bed for a minute but jumped out again, it looked awkward and she didn't look comfortable

Yes it did look a bit awkward but she did not hesitate to do it. Not the actions of a terrified assault victim, however benevolently one might want to look at it.

It could certainly be presented against Hazel were she ever to want to take things further, e.g. legally. Which, once she sees that Daley has gone to the media with his story, she just might.

[Jack_]

I would urge people who are disgusted by the whole thing to complain to Channel 5 on customerservices@channel5.com
I have just sent them this email:

Dear Sir/Madam,
I wish to complain about the interview with Daley Ojuederie conducted by Emma Willis on tonight's show (broadcast 16/07/13), in relation to Mr Ojuederie's aggressive and abusive attack on fellow housemate Hazel O'Sullivan and subsequent removal from the house.
Throughout the interview Ms Willis repeatedly offered platitudes to Mr Ojuederie, suggesting that he was not entirely to blame for the assault and that Ms O'Sullivan was also to blame. Ms Willis repeatedly said "It takes two to tango" suggesting equal blame on the part of Ms O'Sullivan and later said to Mr Ojuederie "There is no way you are entirely to blame for this". She also asked Mr Ojuederie his opinion on Ms O'Sullivan, suggesting that Ms O'Sullivan had in some way treated him badly.
I found the whole interview distasteful. This man, a trained boxer, put his hands around Ms O'Sullivan's throat, before pushing her down and pinning her to the bed by her arms and then threatened to "finish her" and to "nut her one". To offer the merest hint that Ms O'Sullivan was in any way to blame for any aspect of this attack is disgraceful and I am shocked and appalled at Channel 5 and Miss Willis for not only allowing a violent abuser a platform to make his excuses from, but to be complicit in those excuses.
I would suggest that Ms Willis and Channel 5 are out of touch with the realities of violent crime against women and of their viewers feelings on such matters. Indeed, many viewers in the online forum community are calling for Ms Willis' dismissal. At the very least, an apology should be made by Ms Willis for her behaviour during this interview and by Channel 5 for not only giving Mr Ojuederie a platform from which to place blame elsewhere, but for allowing the interview to be conducted in such a disgraceful manner.

Yours sincerely,

oh look we have an OFCOM complainer in our midst

[Jack_]

'Indeed, many viewers in the online forum community are calling for Ms Willis' dismissal'

I'm crying :laugh3: that'll be DS *heads over there now*

pathetic

[smeagol]

lots of hate on the net for emma now. and rightly so she was shocking . also lots of idiots loving daley but what can you do. some people in life just arn't very bright or understand life until it bites them on the ass lol

[kefln]

Emma was professional, no bias, was understanding, probed him but let him explain. Overall good interview.

Still think Daley should have apologised directly about Hazel if he scared her etc. but they will need to talk after the show. Hes pissed me off writing **** to the papers though, will only reflect bad on him.

Hazel has been great in the house about the whole thing.

There was no probe.

He was allowed to blame his actions on everything but himself. But when asked about hazel he totally brushed her off. At no point was the neck hold discussed. Or the threat to "nut" her. Just alot of comments about how it takes two.

Going by that interview alone, it would be easy to surmise that daley had been removed from the house for cheating on his girlfriend.

[CaudleHalbard]

Lol! By the time Ofcom even get around to looking at that letter we'll be into BB 2014 ! :D

It will be Hazel Who? Daley Who? ;)

[smeagol]

'Indeed, many viewers in the online forum community are calling for Ms Willis' dismissal'

I'm crying :laugh3: that'll be DS *heads over there now*

pathetic

id sack here for sure. she is justifying threats of violence and abuse
on national tv. totally biased interview m extremely unprofessional in all aspects.
did she even see the footage or today daytime edit which showed nothing

[smudgie]

Lol! By the time Ofcom even get around to looking at that letter we'll be into BB 2014 ! :D

It will be Hazel Who? Daley Who? ;)

Yeah........might even be EMMA who:joker:

[Kulafey]

oh look we have an OFCOM complainer in our midst
I believe that violence against women is worthy of a complaint. I also believe that a TV interviewer agreeing that the victim of an assault is to blame is worthy of a complaint. The fact that you find that amusing says a lot about how little violence towards women offends you. Well, it offends me. Deeply.

[Kulafey]

Lol! By the time Ofcom even get around to looking at that letter we'll be into BB 2014 ! :D

It will be Hazel Who? Daley Who? ;)
It wasn't sent to Ofcom, it was sent to Channel 5. And at least I expressed my opinion, to those I believe are to blame, which is more than keyboard warriors like you will do.

[Jack_]

id sack here for sure. she is justifying threats of violence and abuse
on national tv. totally biased interview m extremely unprofessional in all aspects.
did she even see the footage or today daytime edit which showed nothing

No she isn't justifying threats of violence and abuse, tone the exaggeration down please

I believe that violence against women is worthy of a complaint. I also believe that a TV interviewer agreeing that the victim of an assault is to blame is worthy of a complaint. The fact that you find that amusing says a lot about how little violence towards women offends you. Well, it offends me. Deeply.

Don't even dare try and make a judgement about my views on such an issue, that's even more offensive than the hyperbole you're spouting now. Seriously. Don't even dare.

If you actually bothered to go and read the thread I've just made, and read several other posts I've made about the incident, you'll see I found Daley's actions totally unacceptable and very disturbing. That's not an example of me not finding 'violence against women' offensive, so don't even try and play that card, that's ****ing out of order

[CaudleHalbard]

I believe that violence against women is worthy of a complaint. I also believe that a TV interviewer agreeing that the victim of an assault is to blame is worthy of a complaint. The fact that you find that amusing says a lot about how little violence towards women offends you. Well, it offends me. Deeply.

What about Hazel's assaults on Daley including trying to suffocate him with a pillow (imagine if he had an asthma attack?) and exposing him. Hope you're going to write to Ofcom about that too!

Gotta be evenhanded! ;)

[Kulafey]

Why are you wittering on about Ofcom? - Who wrote to Ofcom? I certainly never mentioned anything about ofcom.

[Kulafey]

Wow -how very aggressive. You've proved my point for me right there.

[CaudleHalbard]

Why are you wittering on about Ofcom? - Who wrote to Ofcom? I certainly never mentioned anything about ofcom.

Sorry meant C5. I was distracted by what a previous poster said. :D

If it's C5 your letter will be filed in the well known cylindrical filing cabinet. So good luck with that!

[cookiemonster]

you are right Kulafey, but Emma isn't who you want to point your blame at. it was a difficult interview for her and she did the best she could

i find certain comments on here disturbing and agree violence towards women AND men is totally unacceptable but if you really want to do something you'd be better volunteering for a domestic violence charity or some such

[cookiemonster]

you are right Kulafey, but Emma isn't who you want to point your blame at. it was a difficult interview for her and she did the best she could

i find certain comments on here disturbing and agree violence towards women AND men is totally unacceptable but if you really want to do something you'd be better volunteering for a domestic violence charity or some such

[Kulafey]

Sorry meant C5. I was distracted by what a previous poster said. :D

If it's C5 your letter will be filed in the well known cylindrical filing cabinet. So good luck with that!
Maybe so, but its better than moaning and bitching on here, which has no chance of achieving anything, ever.

[Jack_]

Wow -how very aggressive. You've proved my point for me right there.

Well excuse me for being offended at having a total stranger who hasn't a clue what my views are on such a sensitive issue accuse me of not finding domestic violence or assault (especially against women) offensive. Do you even know me? I'd like to think the members on here that have known me and know my views and opinions on lots of issues over the past five years would vouch for the fact that I certainly do not find such incidents acceptable, and to try and make such an accusation when you've absolutely no clue who I am is deeply insulting and highly inflammatory

I merely laughed at the suggestion of emailing C5 to complain about Emma, I've made my thoughts on the interview clear in other threads and have also (if you actually took the time to read) made my thoughts on Daley's actions clear too, that does not mean I'm this misogynistic pig that loves violence against women and if you seriously think I'm just going to sit back and let you accuse me of something like that you're sadly mistaken

[Josy]

Stick to discussing the thread topic instead of getting personal

[Shaun]

I didn't watch. Judging by what was said, I'm glad I didn't. Incredibly stupid and cowardly.

[Kulafey]

Well excuse me for being offended at having a total stranger who hasn't a clue what my views are on such a sensitive issue accuse me of not finding domestic violence or assault (especially against women) offensive. Do you even know me? I'd like to think the members on here that have known me and know my views and opinions on lots of issues over the past five years would vouch for the fact that I certainly do not find such incidents acceptable, and to try and make such an accusation when you've absolutely no clue who I am is deeply insulting and highly inflammatory

I merely laughed at the suggestion of emailing C5 to complain about Emma, I've made my thoughts on the interview clear in other threads and have also (if you actually took the time to read) made my thoughts on Daley's actions clear too, that does not mean I'm this misogynistic pig that loves violence against women and if you seriously think I'm just going to sit back and let you accuse me of something like that you're sadly mistaken
I was more offended that your comment to me concluded with the word "pathetic" - inflammatory to say the least. I happen to have a deep distaste for violence against women- I work in a women's refuge. I'm actually there now and earlier everyone where I work agreed we would all email Channel 5 with our complaints. You may find it pathetic, but we wanted to make our feelings clear. If nobody reads it, fine. But if enough people emailed them, they would have to take note.

[CaudleHalbard]

Maybe so, but its better than moaning and bitching on here, which has no chance of achieving anything, ever.

Once upon a time I would have agreed. But nowadays you have a better chance of you send something via Twitter.

But do let us know if you get a response. :)

[Kulafey]

But nowadays you have a better chance of you send something via Twitter.

Well maybe I'll try that then:hugesmile:

[cookiemonster]

Well maybe I'll try that then:hugesmile:
it's not Emma you should be gunning for though. you should complain about them letting Daley in in the first place

[Jack_]

I was more offended that your comment to me concluded with the word "pathetic" - inflammatory to say the least. I happen to have a deep distaste for violence against women- I work in a women's refuge. I'm actually there now and earlier everyone where I work agreed we would all email Channel 5 with our complaints. You may find it pathetic, but we wanted to make our feelings clear. If nobody reads it, fine. But if enough people emailed them, they would have to take note.

The 'pathetic' was actually directed at the Digital Spy forums which you suggested were calling for Emma to be sacked (which I do happen to find pathetic and grossly over the top), so it wasn't directed at you, it was at DS because I know what posters over there are like.

And I'm not surprised you do, who doesn't? There's very few people who wouldn't have a deep distaste for such a thing, and I am certainly not one of them which is why I am so offended at you making such an accusation.

If you want to email C5, fine...good luck with it, just don't accuse me of not being offended by violence against women because when you don't know me and have no idea of my beliefs and opinions on such issues that's highly insulting

[CaudleHalbard]

I suspect C5 have already made a policy decision, at senior level, that they are not going to apportion blame. Quite likely, they took advice from their lawyers.

Emma had to act on accordance with that decision so it is ludicrous to blame her or make her the target.

Well-intentioned bumbling may make people feel better but it achieves very little, usually.

[reece(:]

....Some people never cease to amaze:

"Catching up on last nyts big brother, what the actual ****?! Poor Daley #BBUK"

"Poor Daley get him back in and get Hazel out, she should have been removed she started it and was laughing during it al #bbuk"

"Awww poor Daley:( was hazels fault not his !!! #BBUK #BBUK Daley"

"Awwww I love daley!♥i forgive him for everything! #bbuk"

"I love hazel but she's a *****bagggggggggg for my baby daley's removal #BBUK"

"I wish I could put my hands through my t.v and strangle that lying bitch hazel #BBUK"

"Just caught up on #bbuk poor Daley, I'm very sad but at least he's out of the witches grasp now! #hatehazel @bbuk"

"I think Daley was innocent they wer playing #BBUK removed him cos the public feel uncomfortable watching the two. Hazels a snake anyway"

"Daley you're absolutely right nt mentioning tht slugs name cos she'll just jinx you,she has bad evil blood #bbuk good luck in evrythng u do"

"really feel so sorry for daley @bbuk"

"I've just seen this whole Daley/Hazel thing (haven't watched BB since it left C4) Daley did nothing wrong."

"People seriously need 2 lighten up on daley, hazel is pure poison!! #TeamDaley"

"I don't understand how Daley got kicked out?"

"@JonCarlosGuerra @IamDaleyStar u shut up he didnt do anything wrong
he was provoked"

"@alexcollierGB @IamDaleyStar he was messing about anybody with any sense could see that..she gave as gud As she got! She played on it..sly"

"@IamDaleyStar its disgusting that she got away with what she did! She was egging you on! #TeamDaley all the way! @bbuk #WhatsGoodForTheGoose"

"Aww I actually feel sorry for daley just wonna give him a cuddle bless him"

"Feel soooo sorry for Daley! His side over hazels on this one! #controversial"

"Rate Daley so much his so real and if he has any flaws it's that his just a typical normal bloke #BBUK"

"put Daley back in and get hazel out"

"I think Daley is a legend #shortfuse"

"Who do u feel sorry for more daley or hazel? — Daley tbh. http://ask.fm/a/5251bfk0 "

"I say put daley in take hazel out ��"

[CaudleHalbard]

Sounds like Daley sent down quite well with the public then!

Hazel well be livid to see he's stolen a march on her. She's locked away while he's free to give out his story and version of events.

[kefln]

Scary. Disturbing. Very worrying

[reece(:]

But the proof was in the pudding... the footage showed him looking sadistic and clutching his hands around her throat. These people probably support Chris Brown too.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Some men, when they have got a pretty face, big tits and a firm ass constantly in their face do not have the strength of character to back off. She held the power, and she should not have acted in the way that she did.

a true man would have told her to back off, hes not a man, hes a silly little aggressive boy who can't control his cock.

[kefln]

But the proof was in the pudding... the footage showed him looking sadistic and clutching his hands around her throat. These people probably support Chris Brown too.

These are the people that call her a homewrecker, but dont have an issue with him cheating

[kefln]

a true man would have told her to back off, hes not a man, hes a silly little aggressive boy who can't control his cock.

A real man would never blame the girl for his aggression

[CaudleHalbard]

A real man would never blame the girl for his aggression

He was careful not to openly blame her. He said he took full responsibility for his actions. But it was all done in a way which would not lay him open to legal action.

[Marsh.]

Yes it did look a bit awkward but she did not hesitate to do it. Not the actions of a terrified assault victim, however benevolently one might want to look at it.

It could certainly be presented against Hazel were she ever to want to take things further, e.g. legally. Which, once she sees that Daley has gone to the media with his story, she just might.

Why does Hazel need to be a frightened mouse sitting in the corner for what Daley did to be wrong?

No one's saying she's a terrified woman scarred for life, but in that moment the night before he scared her. As she said, she believed they were flirting and then got confused and scared when it went from flirting to serious.

Judging by her attitude Hazel wishes him well and wouldn't take any legal action.

As for the interview, I don't think Emma was condoning his behaviour, as someone else said you'd be forgiven for thinking he was being interviewed for being unfaithful to his girlfriend. The constant reference to his "lovely girlfriend", two to tango etc. all of this was besides the point and completely pushed the actual issue to the side.

We already knew he was a cheating prick. The interview was supposed to be about his altercation with Hazel but it was glossed over.

[Pink Pegasus]

Oh not sure where to even begin!

I was all set to hear Daley's side of the story, give him the benefit of the doubt that he was truly sorry etc.
A forum member called Toy Soldier has made some great posts earlier today which I mainly agreed with.

The giving him the benefit of the doubt side of me felt along the lines that maybe the two of them were just engaging in a bit of flirting and rough flirting but that Daley took it too far. Hazel got frightened, but Daley was not even aware at the time that he had crossed the line and still felt he was just playing an aggressive 'role' as part of their flirting.
Yes he was still completely in the wrong for crossing that line and becoming scary to a woman who didn't know him well enough to know that he wouldn't really hurt her, and therefore it was correct that he was removed from the house. Hazel even said tonight that he is a really decent guy and that she didn't want to see him get labelled as something nasty because of this.

So yeah, I was all set to buy that explanation, hear his side and for him to have his chance to apologise.

What I ended up seeing disgusted me.

All he did was apologise to any woman who may have been offended by what they saw, no mention of the men who were upset at what they saw, and most importantly of all, not even the tiniest bit of an apology for how his actions made Hazel feel!

He still looks absolutely fuming at Hazel and said he won't even waste his breath on her. Wtf like? Why the hell has he got so much anger towards her?

If he was really not a violent bloke, would he not be mortified that he caused a woman he liked to be afraid?
Even if Hazel seemed okay afterwards.
Even if they were both playing and he felt it was completely unintentional, any decent person would still apologise.

If I was having say for example a jokey slagging match with a friend and I said something that cut a bit too close to the bone. Even if they pretended it was ok, but I later found out that I had in fact hurt their feelings I would be so sorry and would apologise straight away to them.

I can't understand why Daley isn't sorry for frightening Hazel or why he won't apologise. I can see why he didn't apologise in the house because she didn't tell him how she felt, but surely now that he has seen the footage and seen that she was scared and maybe just afraid to bring it up with him, - how can he not feel sorry for that?
Sorry but that proves to me he is a nasty person. He has no remorse for upsetting a woman he claimed to have feelings for.

All he did tonight was was try to garner sympathy of everyone, and to give excuse after excuse for anything wrong he has done in the house.
On one hand he kept saying he had to "man up and take responsibility" for his actions, yet on the other hand he blamed the amount he had to drink, and blamed Hazel for him "crossing lines" when it came to their earlier flirting.

I believe he is lying about the amount he had to drink. I have said this repeatedly that Hazel said in the life feed "you shouldn't be drunk on 2 glasses of champagne and a mojito" and he only argued that who was she to say what amount should make him drunk. Maybe I misheard her, or maybe she meant to say 2 bottles of champagne? I personally don't believe that BB would have allowed Daley to drink 4 individual drinks and 2 bottles of champagne to himself. Absolute bull, and it's funny how sober he was going to the diary room.

As for the **** about him saying that he kept asking Hazel "as a woman" was he crossing any lines with their earlier flirting and she said no. So fcking what about what Hazel said! He knew perfectly well that he went so far with Hazel that "the line" was only a distant fcking memory at some point.
I have never been a fan of Hazel, I found her flirting horrible, yes I know she's single but I still didn't agree with her flirting.
BUT it was NOT Hazel's responsibility to inform him as to whether or not he was crossing lines. He's a grown man who knew already himself exactly what he was doing.

Before I was unsure - the LF from that night made me think he was acting like a weirdo and his behaviour would have made me personally feel uncomfortable but I wasn't sure if they were just flirting?
From what I have seen tonight though I am no longer sure that what happened was just a bit of flirting gone much too far.
Tonight I have seen a nasty streak in him due to him having no remorse to Hazel, and he just comes across as nasty, and spineless to me now.

I watched it on +1 and it just made me so mad that he wasn't even asked after he apologised to the viewers, "but what about Hazel?" :mad:

I repeat I am not a fan of Hazel but I did feel sorry for her tonight. I'll no doubt be cross with her again when she's mean to Gina but she is not in the wrong here for getting afraid.

Really sorry for the long post, I had to vent my frustration.
Going to bed now.

[Kizzy]

Oh not sure where to even begin!

I was all set to hear Daley's side of the story, give him the benefit of the doubt that he was truly sorry etc.
A forum member called Toy Soldier has made some great posts earlier today which I mainly agreed with.

The giving him the benefit of the doubt side of me felt along the lines that maybe the two of them were just engaging in a bit of flirting and rough flirting but that Daley took it too far. Hazel got frightened, but Daley was not even aware at the time that he had crossed the line and still felt he was just playing an aggressive 'role' as part of their flirting.
Yes he was still completely in the wrong for crossing that line and becoming scary to a woman who didn't know him well enough to know that he wouldn't really hurt her, and therefore it was correct that he was removed from the house. Hazel even said tonight that he is a really decent guy and that she didn't want to see him get labelled as something nasty because of this.

So yeah, I was all set to buy that explanation, hear his side and for him to have his chance to apologise.

What I ended up seeing disgusted me.

All he did was apologise to any woman who may have been offended by what they saw, no mention of the men who were upset at what they saw, and most importantly of all, not even the tiniest bit of an apology for how his actions made Hazel feel!

He still looks absolutely fuming at Hazel and said he won't even waste his breath on her. Wtf like? Why the hell has he got so much anger towards her?

If he was really not a violent bloke, would he not be mortified that he caused a woman he liked to be afraid?
Even if Hazel seemed okay afterwards.
Even if they were both playing and he felt it was completely unintentional, any decent person would still apologise.

If I was having say for example a jokey slagging match with a friend and I said something that cut a bit too close to the bone. Even if they pretended it was ok, but I later found out that I had in fact hurt their feelings I would be so sorry and would apologise straight away to them.

I can't understand why Daley isn't sorry for frightening Hazel or why he won't apologise. I can see why he didn't apologise in the house because she didn't tell him how she felt, but surely now that he has seen the footage and seen that she was scared and maybe just afraid to bring it up with him, - how can he not feel sorry for that?
Sorry but that proves to me he is a nasty person. He has no remorse for upsetting a woman he claimed to have feelings for.

All he did tonight was was try to garner sympathy of everyone, and to give excuse after excuse for anything wrong he has done in the house.
On one hand he kept saying he had to "man up and take responsibility" for his actions, yet on the other hand he blamed the amount he had to drink, and blamed Hazel for him "crossing lines" when it came to their earlier flirting.

I believe he is lying about the amount he had to drink. I have said this repeatedly that Hazel said in the life feed "you shouldn't be drunk on 2 glasses of champagne and a mojito" and he only argued that who was she to say what amount should make him drunk. Maybe I misheard her, or maybe she meant to say 2 bottles of champagne? I personally don't believe that BB would have allowed Daley to drink 4 individual drinks and 2 bottles of champagne to himself. Absolute bull, and it's funny how sober he was going to the diary room.

As for the **** about him saying that he kept asking Hazel "as a woman" was he crossing any lines with their earlier flirting and she said no. So fcking what about what Hazel said! He knew perfectly well that he went so far with Hazel that "the line" was only a distant fcking memory at some point.
I have never been a fan of Hazel, I found her flirting horrible, yes I know she's single but I still didn't agree with her flirting.
BUT it was NOT Hazel's responsibility to inform him as to whether or not he was crossing lines. He's a grown man who knew already himself exactly what he was doing.

Before I was unsure - the LF from that night made me think he was acting like a weirdo and his behaviour would have made me personally feel uncomfortable but I wasn't sure if they were just flirting?
From what I have seen tonight though I am no longer sure that what happened was just a bit of flirting gone much too far.
Tonight I have seen a nasty streak in him due to him having no remorse to Hazel, and he just comes across as nasty, and spineless to me now.

I watched it on +1 and it just made me so mad that he wasn't even asked after he apologised to the viewers, "but what about Hazel?" :mad:

I repeat I am not a fan of Hazel but I did feel sorry for her tonight. I'll no doubt be cross with her again when she's mean to Gina but she is not in the wrong here for getting afraid.

Really sorry for the long post, I had to vent my frustration.
Going to bed now.

Thankyou for that and I echo your sentiments totally!

[CaudleHalbard]

I think Daley is genuinely aggrieved at the way he has been treated by BB and feels he is the actual victim.

Sounds like he has a proportion of the public, maybe even quite a high one, is on his side for now.

You have to bear in mind Hazel was loathed, so relatively few are minded to give her the benefit of any doubt.

[the truth]

So Daley is more or less saying that Hazel was asking for it? And shame on Emma for agreeing. No matter what Hazel has done (and I'm no fan of hers) no woman deserves to be grabbed round the throat, pinned to the bed and threatened with violence. And now he's full of BS about how "the house" made him cheat on his Gf.
He's a disgrace and they shouldn't give such a misogynistic bully air time.

no hes not and neither is emma? what on earth are you on about?

[the truth]

What a load of sexist bollox, Hazel is to blame because she's attractive and flirted with him and the poor man couldn't cope with that? Give me a ****ing break. He has no self control, that's 100% his fault, no one elses

yourecbeing sexist she pulled his pants down on national tv? that's sexual assaault

[the truth]

What on earth does that have to do with anything I have posted in this thread and also can't you debate a topic without getting personal?

Let me make this clear.

The OP of this thread states that Daley layed all the blame on Hazel during his interview and that isn't true which is what I posted in reply.

So why are you bringing up the strangling thing?

I have posted my opinion in plenty of threads about the assault.

she \actually put her hands round his throat too

[the truth]

I'm still shocked Hazel is getting the blame from some people, yes she is guilty of being a big old flirt but how anyone can think that makes her deserve to be pinned down and clearly scared and intimidated by somebody?

he was intimidated too, he didn't have the mental capacity to deal with a highly pressurised situation

[the truth]

So when hazel gets evicted, in front of a braying crowd out for her blood, will she get the same respect and time to relay her story? Will she be allowed to blame everything else but herself? Will she be allowed to talk about how hard her life has been?

Im guessing no. The guy who gets the boot will be given every chance to tell the world his story. But the girl will be "branded"

Shocking turn of events

biased sexist drivel

[YodaBB]

she \actually put her hands round his throat too

That was clearly self defense, she reacted to him doing it to her, she was clearly uncomfortable and was pushing him away.

[Kizzy]

I think Daley is genuinely aggrieved at the way he has been treated by BB and feels he is the actual victim.

Sounds like he has a proportion of the public, maybe even quite a high one, is on his side for now.

You have to bear in mind Hazel was loathed, so relatively few are minded to give her the benefit of any doubt.

Sociopath...

[reece(:]

biased sexist drivel
I'm taking your view as anyone who makes a valid point defending Hazel = sexist. Give me a break.

[Kizzy]

he was intimidated too, he didn't have the mental capacity to deal with a highly pressurised situation

Then why did he not remove himself from the situation? Because that would mean relinquishing the control of the situation.... There was no way he was going to do that was there?

[kefln]

biased sexist drivel

Yawn...:sleep:

[YodaBB]

I'm taking your view as anyone who makes a valid point defending Hazel = sexist. Give me a break.

I genuinely thought he meant sexist the other way round with his post :shocked:
As in it's shocking how Daley is getting so much sympathy & Hazel won't, as in sexist against Women. Was he not?

Anyway, Hazel does not come across as a nice lady eyeing up a taken man but I think everyones in agreement that she did not deserve what happened to her. I feel bad for Daley too, he seems so damaged & I hope he gets the help he needs.

[CaudleHalbard]

Hazel will be booed to high heaven when she exits the house. Including by the women there.

There will be very little sympathy - apart from a few posters on forums.

[the truth]

A real man would never blame the girl for his aggression

even real men don't deserve to have their pants pulled down.....he was weak and allowed himself to be manipulated.....I don't eventhink he fancied her, he actually felt pressurised to like her. hes nowhere near as clever as hazel, she knew it and exploited this to the full....I think he was just as scared as she was only in a different way

[the truth]

Hazel will be booed to high heaven when she exits the house. Including by the women there.

There will be very little sympathy - apart from a few posters on forums.

they could play sympathy for the devil:devil:

[kefln]

even real men don't deserve to have their pants pulled down.....he was weak and allowed himself to be manipulated.....I don't eventhink he fancied her, he actually felt pressurised to like her. hes nowhere near as clever as hazel, she knew it and exploited this to the full....I think he was just as scared as she was only in a different way

I think I'll get the popcorn and sit back and enjoy this merry go round :joker:

[Kizzy]

even real men don't deserve to have their pants pulled down.....he was weak and allowed himself to be manipulated.....I don't eventhink he fancied her, he actually felt pressurised to like her. hes nowhere near as clever as hazel, she knew it and exploited this to the full....I think he was just as scared as she was only in a different way

He was, finally we agree on something .

[Marsh.]

Pressurised to like her?

If you actually payed any attention to the programme, you'd know that DALEY instigated the relationship to begin with, not Hazel.

He confessed to liking her.

Also, no one's saying he deserved his pants pulled. But Hazel didn't deserve aggressive threats and a throttling in return. That's the point.

[the truth]

Pressurised to like her?

If you actually payed any attention to the programme, you'd know that DALEY instigated the relationship to begin with, not Hazel.

He confessed to liking her.

Also, no one's saying he deserved his pants pulled. But Hazel didn't deserve aggressive threats and a throttling in return. That's the point.

no I agree she didn't. both were a disgrace, daley righly booted. she probably should have been too. so where do we stop with this marsh?

[Marsh.]

Stop with what?

You're the one excusing an aggressive mans behaviour by claiming the victim is to blame. I'm simply defending.

[the truth]

Stop with what?

You're the one excusing an aggressive mans behaviour by claiming the victim is to blame. I'm simply defending.

no Im not. youre lying.

[Kizzy]

no Im not. youre lying.

''hes nowhere near as clever as hazel, she knew it and exploited this to the full....I think he was just as scared as she was only in a different way''

Kind of looks like you are....

[the truth]

''hes nowhere near as clever as hazel, she knew it and exploited this to the full....I think he was just as scared as she was only in a different way''

Kind of looks like you are....

that's because youre choosing to misinterpret it in a very disingenuous way..
Ive said 101 times daley deserved the boot, but so did she

[Marsh.]

I'm not lying. You suggest Hazel purposely got him into the state he was in so she could play the victim. It's all on this forum for people to read.

Your sexist claptrap is well known on this forum.

[Kizzy]

that's because youre choosing to misinterpret it in a very disingenuous way..
Ive said 101 times daley deserved the boot, but so did she

It was a direct quote from one of your posts, I can't help it if you're contradicting yourself.

[the truth]

I'm not lying. You suggest Hazel purposely got him into the state he was in so she could play the victim. It's all on this forum for people to read.

Your sexist claptrap is well known on this forum.

yet another false accusation.....you are lying in your previous reply. yes of course hazel has been manipulating this situation even before she entered the house. you force yourself on a guy, deprice him of sleep, even after agreeing with him for both parties to back away and just be friends, then demand hugs in his bed, then stick a pillow over his face then pull his pants down to expose his penis to millions and you don't think she was expecting a reaction? you actually believe this all happened by accident and shewas innocent as a little lamb. I have said no one should invade anothers boundaries....if you or I or anyone pulled down a persons underwear against their will Id expect to get in serious trouble....you ignore all this as trival.
I deplore violence against women and men. he was wrong to lose control, he was wrong as she was to take this flirting so far.....he didn't hit her but he was wrong to threaten her and wrong to put his hands on her neck and was rightly booted, she should also have been bootedimho

[the truth]

It was a direct quote from one of your posts, I can't help it if you're contradicting yourself.

Im not you are

[reece(:]

I genuinely thought he meant sexist the other way round with his post :shocked:
As in it's shocking how Daley is getting so much sympathy & Hazel won't, as in sexist against Women. Was he not?

Anyway, Hazel does not come across as a nice lady eyeing up a taken man but I think everyones in agreement that she did not deserve what happened to her. I feel bad for Daley too, he seems so damaged & I hope he gets the help he needs.

No, I perceived it as I perceive many of the user's sexist posts.

[Marsh.]

I'm not arguing with you over it. It's there in black and white for everyone to see.

Sexist, and when called out on it you contradict what you've said before.

[Kizzy]

Im not you are

why's that then? :joker:

[Marsh.]

I know you are but what am I?

:p

[the truth]

I'm not arguing with you over it. It's there in black and white for everyone to see.

Sexist, and when called out on it you contradict what you've said before.

no I didn't. youre lying, yet again

[Indy]

So here's a question - BB/BotS/Endemol/Daily Star...all the same trough for the pigs to get their slop. So how does one reconcile the corporate interview on BotS with the corporate headline over at the Star:

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/7/16/248659/default/v1/daily-star-front-page-1-329x437.jpg

Either he's completely without remorse and gave a real interview. Or, he's got some twisted form or regret that he's half-assing as remorse (IF I offended anyone, sorry about that) but the corporation did the headline anyway. Or, he was being spoonfed the party line temper him just enough until the paper could land tomorrow.

So which is the real Daley?

[Kizzy]

What a creep! I knew it those were crocodile tears we saw tonight.... he has no remorse, no idea he did anything wrong! sick.

[the truth]

What a creep! I knew it those were crocodile tears we saw tonight.... he has no remorse, no idea he did anything wrong! sick.

he has at least apologised, what about hazels apology?

[Indy]

he has at least apologised, what about hazels apology?

It's like a broken record

He never apologized to anyone, especially not to the woman he pinned to the bed. He said "IF" he offended anyone he was sorry. Politician 101 - admit to nothing and make it sound like it's someone else's fault for being offended, not your fault for doing something wrong.

[reece(:]

It's like a broken record

He never apologized to anyone, especially not to the woman he pinned to the bed. He said "IF" he offended anyone he was sorry. Politician 101 - admit to nothing and make it sound like it's someone else's fault for being offended, not your fault for doing something wrong.
And it all sounded very scripted/forced.

[the truth]

It did sound scripted , but hes been out of his depth from day 1

[Marsh.]

he has at least apologised, what about hazels apology?

She did apologise. Unlike Daley she didn't blame anyone or anything else.

She also didn't use the word "if" which renders an actual apology void.

[Jords]

To be fair Im a bit bored of it all now, roll on with the show! :D

[the truth]

She did apologise. Unlike Daley she didn't blame anyone or anything else.

she did change her story umpteen times today but I do think in fairness she came across marginally better today than daley

[Marsh.]

When did she change her story?

[the truth]

When did she change her story?

you have got to be joking:joker:

[Marsh.]

Not joking at all. Enlighten me... But don't feed me fabricated tosh you've been spewing for the last few pages.

[the truth]

Not joking at all. Enlighten me... But don't feed me fabricated tosh you've been spewing for the last few pages.

from a liar like you that's rich :joker: Ive answered this upteen times, she changed her story almost every time she discussed the issue....one minute its harmless play fighting, then its deadly serious and shes scared, then she tells the housemates in the bedroom its nothing much and daley doesn't deserve any hassle over it, she gives an edited version to dan and says to the group she hasn't got a clue why hes gone.....everyone on BBots said the same.....where the heck have you been?

[Marsh.]

Play fighting turned serious, taking her by surprise and scaring her.

She didn't think Daley intended to scare her and hoped he was ok.

She was evasive with housemates other than Dan because it's not something to relish gossiping with everyone about.

I fail to see any change in her stance. Her account to Dan was pretty accurate too, she pointed out the things she did herself beforehand.

Dan said what he did to the group because she didn't want to have the whole house buzzing about it and be pestered with questions, as she said on the diary room.

No doubt she'd have been lambasted had she opened up to everyone.

[Videostar]

So Daley is more or less saying that Hazel was asking for it? And shame on Emma for agreeing. No matter what Hazel has done (and I'm no fan of hers) no woman deserves to be grabbed round the throat, pinned to the bed and threatened with violence. And now he's full of BS about how "the house" made him cheat on his Gf.
He's a disgrace and they shouldn't give such a misogynistic bully air time.

He hardly implied that Hazel was asking for it, if anything he refused the golden chance to slag her off.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

So Daley is more or less saying that Hazel was asking for it? And shame on Emma for agreeing. No matter what Hazel has done (and I'm no fan of hers) no woman deserves to be grabbed round the throat, pinned to the bed and threatened with violence. And now he's full of BS about how "the house" made him cheat on his Gf.
He's a disgrace and they shouldn't give such a misogynistic bully air time.

100% agree with you, I was disgusted what he was saying, I think deep down I don't think was taking any of the responsibility of what he had done, blaming the house & such like.:sleep::devil:

[Northern Monkey]

They both had a big part to play in it,She wound up the wrong guy and it bit her on the bum,But he went too far with how he handled it.I think justice was done and BB made the right decision in the end.

[Verbal]

I would urge people who are disgusted by the whole thing to complain to Channel 5 on customerservices@channel5.com
I have just sent them this email:

Dear Sir/Madam,
I wish to complain about the interview with Daley Ojuederie conducted by Emma Willis on tonight's show (broadcast 16/07/13), in relation to Mr Ojuederie's aggressive and abusive attack on fellow housemate Hazel O'Sullivan and subsequent removal from the house.
Throughout the interview Ms Willis repeatedly offered platitudes to Mr Ojuederie, suggesting that he was not entirely to blame for the assault and that Ms O'Sullivan was also to blame. Ms Willis repeatedly said "It takes two to tango" suggesting equal blame on the part of Ms O'Sullivan and later said to Mr Ojuederie "There is no way you are entirely to blame for this". She also asked Mr Ojuederie his opinion on Ms O'Sullivan, suggesting that Ms O'Sullivan had in some way treated him badly.
I found the whole interview distasteful. This man, a trained boxer, put his hands around Ms O'Sullivan's throat, before pushing her down and pinning her to the bed by her arms and then threatened to "finish her" and to "nut her one". To offer the merest hint that Ms O'Sullivan was in any way to blame for any aspect of this attack is disgraceful and I am shocked and appalled at Channel 5 and Miss Willis for not only allowing a violent abuser a platform to make his excuses from, but to be complicit in those excuses.
I would suggest that Ms Willis and Channel 5 are out of touch with the realities of violent crime against women and of their viewers feelings on such matters. Indeed, many viewers in the online forum community are calling for Ms Willis' dismissal. At the very least, an apology should be made by Ms Willis for her behaviour during this interview and by Channel 5 for not only giving Mr Ojuederie a platform from which to place blame elsewhere, but for allowing the interview to be conducted in such a disgraceful manner.

Yours sincerely,


I complained to Ofcom about drama queens like you cluttering up my internets, but they ignored me.

Jesus Christ. The 'disgusted, from Chichester' Daily Mail brigade that this show brings out of the woodwork are the most annoying part of it.

She's married, by the way. It's Mrs Willis.

[kistar]

lots of hate on the net for emma now. and rightly so she was shocking . also lots of idiots loving daley but what can you do. some people in life just arn't very bright or understand life until it bites them on the ass lol

Or grabs them by the throat then head buts them.

[Cherie]

I was surprised at how overtly gentle Emma was with Daley,(it is also very clear she has a personal dislike of Hazel), I can't say 100% I know how these things work but I assume she was working to a brief from the producers? Though obviously the clear blame for the violent behavior has to be laid at Daley's door, C5's contribution to how events unfolded cannot be overlooked. They were aware of Daley's backstory and emotional demons when he entered the house, they encouraged the relationship by putting them up as a couple (what a slap in the face that was for Katie), they opened the lines for a very short period of time and only on a mobile number. They seem to have given the safe house occupants alot of alcohol, they should have called Daley to the DR when he started counting down in bed, as it was clear he was getting wound up, did Judy James fall asleep on the job or what? or is she too interested in promoting herself on TV to be bothered with the welfare of the HMs, I think C5 are on tricky ground here and perhaps that is why the interview was so sanatised, just a thought.

[Marsh.]

Emma gave Hazel's friend who was invited to plead her case to be saved, a worse grilling than she did Daley.

Funny that.

[kistar]

If you are going to complain , it should be about the fact channel 5 orchestrated a situation for the purpose of increased viewing figures that they should have known had the potential to get out of hand.Daley was clearly an emotionally vulnerable guy with issues, he was I am guessing chosen to go on the show because he was a sparing partner for Hazels ex who committed suicide, that connection and potential liaison between them both seems to have out weighed his clear unsuitability for the show.

Channel 5 watch him struggle with Hazels advances and clearly a more experienced world widely , emotionally stable man would have been able to deal with her in a succinct forthright way. They then though elect to put Hazel and Daley together , alone, in the safe house and fuel the whole situation with free flowing alcohol. No wonder Emma was placating Daley , Channel 5 firstly should never had allowed him on the show and secondly put such an emotionally vulnerable person who was already struggling in such a crazy situation.
I don't agree with what Daley did , I do think he had no idea how to handle Hazel though , they should never ever have been put together in the safe house and that would be my complaint to channel 5.

[Daffodil]

In the lead up to the incident Hazel was at her coquettish and flirty worst. She would not back off when it was obvious Daley wanted to sleep. She was actually quite physically aggressive to him. It was embarrassing to watch. It seemed to me that the moment they went in the safe house, she was in 'get maximum publicity mode' and this required Daley to fall head over heels in love with her and passionate love-making etc etc. When Daley just wanted to sleep, she couldn't back off.
No, he shouldn't have done what he did, but he was provoked. And yes, I have watched the incident twice and took a note of every move and word. Hazel is manipulative in the extreme and I hope Dan is watching his back as she will try yet again to 'convert' him.

[snail69]

Reading some of these posts I can't believe what some people are saying - sack Emma Willis?! What an earth for??

So some of you found the interview distasteful and whatnot? How is that even her fault? It wouldn't have been her that agreed to have him on there in the first place and it's also highly likely that she was briefed on what to say and ask.

As someone said above, it's not exactly news that she said: "it takes two to tango". She's only been saying it for the last ten days. In fact before all this happened, everyone was blaming it on Hazel and she in fact said something along the lines of - it does take two to tango guys, so Daley isn't blameless.

I find it slightly amusing at how so many people have taken offence to the interview itself. It was slightly controversial - yes. But I thought people like controversy? The Great British public is so fickle that half the time they don't even know what they want. There wasn't even that much content in the interview, it was mainly just Daley apologising for his actions.

Emma, I thought conducted the interview rather well. She was in a difficult situation (which her bosses put her in) and as a presenter you have to remain unbiased when conducting interviews of any nature. Let alone when they regard such a sensitive topic. As anyone that has a job knows - if your boss tells you to do something you do it. So if anyone should be fired then it should be the producers or whoever it was that have the final go ahead. I personally don't think anyone should be.

I seriously laughed at that complaint letter though. You really think that before going ahead with it that they wasn't prepared for some infantile backlash and a few complaints letters?! As someone said above it'll probably be the start of BB15 before they read it.

[fingers]

He didn't say that at all,he said he would let people make their own minds up regarding hazel,why do people fabricate?

EXACTLY!!! I couldn't believe what I was reading about him putting the blame on Hazel, although after reading many of the biased threads on here claiming that Hazel had no part in the incident, I shouldn't really be surprised.

[Josy]

Reading some of these posts I can't believe what some people are saying - sack Emma Willis?! What an earth for??

So some of you found the interview distasteful and whatnot? How is that even her fault? It wouldn't have been her that agreed to have him on there in the first place and it's also highly likely that she was briefed on what to say and ask.

As someone said above, it's not exactly news that she said: "it takes two to tango". She's only been saying it for the last ten days. In fact before all this happened, everyone was blaming it on Hazel and she in fact said something along the lines of - it does take two to tango guys, so Daley isn't blameless.

I find it slightly amusing at how so many people have taken offence to the interview itself. It was slightly controversial - yes. But I thought people like controversy? The Great British public is so fickle that half the time they don't even know what they want. There wasn't even that much content in the interview, it was mainly just Daley apologising for his actions.

Emma, I thought conducted the interview rather well. She was in a difficult situation (which her bosses put her in) and as a presenter you have to remain unbiased when conducting interviews of any nature. Let alone when they regard such a sensitive topic. As anyone that has a job knows - if your boss tells you to do something you do it. So if anyone should be fired then it should be the producers or whoever it was that have the final go ahead. I personally don't think anyone should be.

I seriously laughed at that complaint letter though. You really think that before going ahead with it that they wasn't prepared for some infantile backlash and a few complaints letters?! As someone said above it'll probably be the start of BB15 before they read it.

Great post.

[Niamh.]

Emma gave Hazel's friend who was invited to plead her case to be saved, a worse grilling than she did Daley.

Funny that.

Yep absolutely.

[Kazanne]

I think they had to give him an interview as they always say that they have to give a person the right to reply.They interviewed Katie and will ask Hazel about it when she goes,They had no option but to give him his say.

Didn't he say ,BB asked him to do it, as he didn't want to as he would be nervous?

[Niamh.]

Didn't he say ,BB asked him to do it, as he didn't want to as he would be nervous?

I'm sure they said that he asked for the interview

[Josy]

Emma said Daley asked for the interview to get his side across.

[Vicky.]

OFCOM must piss themselves laughing at some of the complaints they get.

[Novo]

the guy is clearly emotionally ****ed up he's lost his girlfriend and i don't think he has much family apart from the 1 friend he has had the last 15 years of his life he can't connect socially at all, he had no idea how far this would go and he even said on BOTS that he takes full responsibility for what happened in the safe house and it's easy for us to say how Emma should have conducted the interview but when your sat face to face with a guy who feels that low in himself i'm sure we'd think differently. he's obviously a dick for what he did in the safe house but i don't believe he's a bad person at all and Emma seen that as well, i think it speaks volumes that his ex girlfriend was there on BOTS with him after all that has happened, she probably knows him better then anyone and knows that he needs help with whatever problems he is going through

[Lee.]

the guy is clearly emotionally ****ed up he's lost his girlfriend and i don't think he has much family apart from the 1 friend he has had the last 15 years of his life he can't connect socially at all, he had no idea how far this would go and he even said on BOTS that he takes full responsibility for what happened in the safe house and it's easy for us to say how Emma should have conducted the interview but when your sat face to face with a guy who feels that low in himself i'm sure we'd think differently. he's obviously a dick for what he did in the safe house but i don't believe he's a bad person at all and Emma seen that as well, i think it speaks volumes that his ex girlfriend was there on BOTS with him after all that has happened, she probably knows him better then anyone and knows that he needs help with whatever problems he is going through
I agree with all of this.

[kistar]

OFCOM must piss themselves laughing at some of the complaints they get.

I'm going to complain that I have to complain in the first place, why do these programmes MAKE me complain , all I want is a complain free life blah blah blah blah blah ....:joker:

[reece(:]

Don't see the point of going to the OFCOM brigade, they do **** all anyway and it threatens the programme entirely.

[tonster76]

It's definitely called playfighting... what about Hazel saying "I'm not afraid of aggressive men" and "come on then"