i forgive daley.

[Beso]

cause im christian and he has apologised. it is clear to see that drink was to blame as there is no way he would have acted like that sober..so im blaming the drink and not dayley.

Hes a cool sound guy by the looks of it and would be a cool mate to have.

[Vanessa]

He needs help with controlling his temper.

[armand.kay]

He's a crazy bitch.

[anne666]

So just what are you saying. No-one go near Daley when he's had a drink LOL. OMG

[karezza]

I agree with you. Daley is a lovely, mild-mannered, calm, gentle, considerate, romantic, kind-hearted fellow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgwmsv1mnUc

[Beso]

So just what are you saying. No-one go near Daley when he's had a drink LOL. OMG

No, but I bet he learns from this and stays away from drink himself, cut him some slack, he's a nice lad.

[CaudleHalbard]

I wouldn't give Daley the time of day, frankly.

[anne666]

He needs help with controlling his temper.

He needs long term therapy, his temper is only a part of what I saw. I hope he gets it and improves his life.

[Niamh.]

He was acting like a controlling moron long before he had a drink

[JTM45]

Thank ***** for christians.........says Daley!:hugesmile:

[smeagol]

prisons are full of murderers and psychos who blame it on the drink n drugs and other issues. maybe you should befriend a few of them lol

[anne666]

No, but I bet he learns from this and stays away from drink himself, cut him some slack, he's a nice lad.

Sorry but you have no idea what he is like sober.He has serious control issues which he has displayed when sober.I can only comment on what he has shown.

[Vanessa]

He needs long term therapy, his temper is only a part of what I saw. I hope he gets it and improves his life.

Yes, it sounds like he has a lot of issues. I hope he gets the help he needs.

[mr rochester]

...is your avatar Christian too..?

[Beso]

Sorry but you have no idea what he is like sober.He has serious control issues which he has displayed when sober.I can only comment on what he has shown.

I have watched him for 4 weeks when he has been sober and i didn't see anything that concerned me.

[Beso]

...is your avatar Christian too..?

christians can do humour as well.:nono:

[Jesus.]

I forgive those those priests who habitually raped children, because they seem like nice guys and they're Christians.

[JTM45]

christians can do humour as well.:nono:

This thread was quite funny, for a christian! :hugesmile:

[Jack_]

As I said in my thread last night I don't think he's this thug that deserves the death penalty, what he did was unacceptable and very disturbing but I think he has a lot of deep rooted psychological problems which need sorting. Deep down he seems like a nice guy or at least that he has the potential to be, when he wasn't around Hazel and wasn't isolating himself from the group and crying to himself he seemed alright to me.

[Pronshi]

Don't know what the bigger crime has being committed.
Daley physically assaulting Hazel, or the horrible lack of correct spelling and grammar. :joker:

[CaudleHalbard]

The man has certain mental issues, possibly related to his childhood/upbringing which need to be sorted.

Very few people are irredeemable.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I bet you wouldn't forgive him if he had your mother by the throat.

[mr rochester]

christians can do humour as well.:nono:

Yes of course they can...however the swear word in your avatar is not funny and diminishes the gravitas of your O.P (imo)...

[Raph]

I agree with you. Daley is a lovely, mild-mannered, calm, gentle, considerate, romantic, kind-hearted fellow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgwmsv1mnUc

Agreed. He definitely did wrong to Hazel, but I forgive him too and I just feel sorry for him for being played by Hazel like that over the last week :(

[MTVN]

Oh no Raph, no no no

[Jesus.]

As I said in my thread last night I don't think he's this thug that deserves the death penalty, what he did was unacceptable and very disturbing but I think he has a lot of deep rooted psychological problems which need sorting. Deep down he seems like a nice guy or at least that he has the potential to be, when he wasn't around Hazel and wasn't isolating himself from the group and crying to himself he seemed alright to me.

I don't believe people can change themselves that much. There are influences you can remove that will alter behaviour, like drugs or alcohol for example, but that aggressive streak towards a woman will remain there. I don't doubt he's done something similar before, and I seriously doubt he'll never do the same thing again.

I agree that he seemed like a decent guy, but we didn't get to see his whole make up. I'm not saying he should receive s**t for the rest of his life because of it, but it was wholly unacceptable behaviour that can't be skipped over.

[Niamh.]

Agreed. He definitely did wrong to Hazel, but I forgive him too and I just feel sorry for him for being played by Hazel like that over the last week :(

You feel sorry that he was played??? He had a g/f he should have said No Hazel I have a g/f, that would have been all it would have taken for her to stop. The onus was on him to put a stop to the flirting as he was the one in the relationship

[reece(:]

He acted strange the whole time IMO, god knows what he's like on the outside.

[Beso]

Don't know what the bigger crime has being committed.
Daley physically assaulting Hazel, or the horrible lack of correct spelling and grammar. :joker:

You do know you are not supposed to start a sentence with don't:joker:

[thesheriff443]

He was acting like a controlling moron long before he had a drink

very true, if he wanted to go to bed and sleep that badly he would have!,at any time he could of told hazel he just wanted to get some sleep,but instead he was saying bitches be talking, counting down down like a parent would do after giving their child a warning to do as they are told.
he got up to tell hazel lies about bb,
he was in a mood that she did not come to bed when he wanted!
total control freak, i would love to hear what his ex has to say about him.

[Beso]

I forgive those those priests who habitually raped children, because they seem like nice guys and they're Christians.

way, way, way overe the top...come back this side jesus.

[Niamh.]

very true, if he wanted to go to bed and sleep that badly he would have!,at any time he could of told hazel he just wanted to get some sleep,but instead he was saying bitches be talking, counting down down like a parent would do after giving their child a warning to do as they are told.
he got up to tell hazel lies about bb,
he was in a mood that she did not come to bed when he wanted!
total control freak, i would love to hear what his ex has to say about him.

Yep spot on. But of course BB never showed all that or mentioned it in his interview :rolleyes:

[Kazanne]

Most people change when they have a drink,I myself have annoyed the OH when I have been a bit tipsy,none of us are perfect,Daley did wrong,he admitted it,lets hope he learns from it,the posts here about him being a wife beater etc are a bit ott,imo.

[thesheriff443]

Yep spot on. But of course BB never showed all that or mentioned it in his interview :rolleyes:

it stinks!, i wonder how much control emma had on what was asked,
emma should be ashamed the way she sided with daley,you dont have to like hazel to know when a man putts his hands around a womans throat and threaten's them there can never be any defence.

[Jemal]

He faced the consequences now please, I beg you in gods name - move on.

[Raph]

You feel sorry that he was played??? He had a g/f he should have said No Hazel I have a g/f, that would have been all it would have taken for her to stop. The onus was on him to put a stop to the flirting as he was the one in the relationship

Okay I see your point but in Daley's defence he did ask Hazel to stop countless times. When she say "hug?" he would persistently say "go away" and "no" but she wouldn't listen. See Niamh, what I'm trying to say is that yes what he did was obviously wrong and he deserved to be removed for it. However, I feel sorry for him because none of this would've happened if Hazel hadn't consistently flirted with him in the first place, fully knowing that he had a girlfriend on the outside. He would've done much better sticking with the nice boys Callum and Sam.

[thesheriff443]

Most people change when they have a drink,I myself have annoyed the OH when I have been a bit tipsy,none of us are perfect,Daley did wrong,he admitted it,lets hope he learns from it,the posts here about him being a wife beater etc are a bit ott,imo.
hello:xyxwave:
he was telling hazel, do you remember when i told that when i go mad its really scary!,this tells me he as done it before

[thesheriff443]

He faced the consequences now please, I beg you in gods name - move on.

why?, we could say move on from this thread!

[thesheriff443]

Okay I see your point but in Daley's defence he did ask Hazel to stop countless times. When she say "hug?" he would persistently say "go away" and "no" but she wouldn't listen. See Niamh, what I'm trying to say is that yes what he did was obviously wrong and he deserved to be removed for it. However, I feel sorry for him because none of this would've happened if Hazel hadn't consistently flirted with him in the first place, fully knowing that he had a girlfriend on the outside. He would've done much better sticking with the nice boys Callum and Sam.

if my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle!

[Speedster]

No, but I bet he learns from this and stays away from drink himself, cut him some slack, he's a nice lad.



The thing is, he must know what he's like when he gets drunk so why does he get drunk?. Irresponsible.

[Marc]

I don't forgive him.

[Jemal]

why?, we could say move on from this thread!

Because hes already flipping suffered consequences. If he was still on the house then i would understand why people would keep making threads. But hes out of the house. Hes been kicked out of the best experience arguably in his life.... What else do people want? He apologised, what else can he do? If you feel that serious about the situation do your worse and call the police on him then since it bothers you and other people so much :confused:

[Niamh.]

Okay I see your point but in Daley's defence he did ask Hazel to stop countless times. When she say "hug?" he would persistently say "go away" and "no" but she wouldn't listen. See Niamh, what I'm trying to say is that yes what he did was obviously wrong and he deserved to be removed for it. However, I feel sorry for him because none of this would've happened if Hazel hadn't consistently flirted with him in the first place, fully knowing that he had a girlfriend on the outside. He would've done much better sticking with the nice boys Callum and Sam.

He said no but he said no, you're arousing me, that is encouragement and not a no because I'm not interested. Had he said No Hazel i have a g/f, she would have stopped, putting any blame on her for his behaviour is wrong. Are we saying that men just can't be held accountable if there's an attractive girl around? What? He's a big boy and he was not manipulated, he went from having a g/f to not having a g/f cos he wanted Hazel to think he didn't have one.

[Niamh.]

He faced the consequences now please, I beg you in gods name - move on.

This is the biggest thing to happen in BB yet this year and this is a BB forum, if you've finished talking about it, that's your prerogative but don't tell other people on a BB forum when they should stop talking about a major story.

[kefln]

I have watched him for 4 weeks when he has been sober and i didn't see anything that concerned me.
Oh yes, perfectly nice chap.

He cheats on his girlfriend and ignores the fact that he has kids watching his actions on tv. Has control and alcohol issues. Underlining issues with women and a seriously dangerous violent streak that needs to be kept under wraps. And when confronted with said issues he either looses his temper, or blames his past, or his environment.

What a gem of a man.

[CaudleHalbard]

It's certainly been a ratings winner! Mr Desmond will be very pleased! ;)

[thesheriff443]

Because hes already flipping suffered consequences. If he was still on the house then i would understand why people would keep making threads. But hes out of the house. Hes been kicked out of the best experience arguably in his life.... What else do people want? He apologised, what else can he do? If you feel that serious about the situation do your worse and call the police on him then since it bothers you and other people so much :confused:

he may well have the police knocking a his door after all it was assault!
daley only has him self to blame, it was not hazels actions but his reaction!
plus he as had a good effing pay check to tell his dribble!

[Kazanne]

hello:xyxwave:
he was telling hazel, do you remember when i told that when i go mad its really scary!,this tells me he as done it before

But I've said that myself sheriff:joker::joker:"you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" I've no doubts it happens a lot more than we think,he needs anger management,what he did was totally wrong,BUT something doesn't sit right with all this,why on earth would anyone go back in the same room as him,let alone sleep with him,they are in the BB house not prison,I just think it's all so weird.

[Josy]

I'm so glad we have yet another thread to discuss this in, I was actually just thinking the tons we already have wasn't enough.

[Jemal]

I'm so glad we have yet another thread to discuss this in, I was actually just thinking the tons we already have wasn't enough.

lol this.

[thesheriff443]

I'm so glad we have yet another thread to discuss this in, I was actually just thinking the tons we already have wasn't enough.

its bb, people have plenty to say after all bbots gave daley his right to reply and we want ours

[kefln]

He said no but he said no, you're arousing me, that is encouragement and not a no because I'm not interested. Had he said No Hazel i have a g/f, she would have stopped, putting any blame on her for his behaviour is wrong. Are we saying that men just can't be held accountable if there's an attractive girl around? What? He's a big boy and he was not manipulated, he went from having a g/f to not having a g/f cos he wanted Hazel to think he didn't have one.

For some, its always the womans fault. Daley initiated the relationship. Daley lied about his relationship status. Daley was a walking erection everytime hazel came near him. Daley lost his temper more than once when it was pointed out that his behaviour was inappropriate for a man with a girlfriend.

But its hazels fault...got to remember that. A man is never responsible.

[Verbal]

I forgive those those priests who habitually raped children, because they seem like nice guys and they're Christians.

I think you'll find they were Catholic

[thesheriff443]

But I've said that myself sheriff:joker::joker:"you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" I've no doubts it happens a lot more than we think,he needs anger management,what he did was totally wrong,BUT something doesn't sit right with all this,why on earth would anyone go back in the same room as him,let alone sleep with him,they are in the BB house not prison,I just think it's all so weird.

we dont know what was said in the diary room, i would say that she was in shock more than anything!

[Niamh.]

I think you'll find they were Catholic

Catholics are Christians last time I checked

[Josy]

its bb, people have plenty to say after all bbots gave daley his right to reply and we want ours

Yeah I know people have plenty to say, doesn't mean everyone should make a new thread for every opinion they have.

[JTM45]

Catholics are Christians last time I checked

They are indeed!
Catholics are just like the really, really bad ones. The worst of a bad bunch!:hugesmile:

[Raph]

He said no but he said no, you're arousing me, that is encouragement and not a no because I'm not interested. Had he said No Hazel i have a g/f, she would have stopped, putting any blame on her for his behaviour is wrong. Are we saying that men just can't be held accountable if there's an attractive girl around? What? He's a big boy and he was not manipulated, he went from having a g/f to not having a g/f cos he wanted Hazel to think he didn't have one.

Yeah you make a really good point Niamh, which I hadn't really considered. That being said, what do you feel then about her pulling his pants down on live television, something that could've seriously damaged his career? Also, how do you feel about the girl code thing in regards to Hazel and Daley's girlfriend? I'm by no means saying Daley is a good guy, of course he's not in respect to what went down this past week, but surely you don't see Hazel simply as an innocent victim?

[Niamh.]

Yeah you make a really good point Niamh, which I hadn't really considered. That being said, what do you feel then about her pulling his pants down on live television, something that could've seriously damaged his career? Also, how do you feel about the girl code thing in regards to Hazel and Daley's girlfriend? I'm by no means saying Daley is a good guy, of course he's not in respect to what went down this past week, but surely you don't see Hazel simply as an innocent victim?

I think that her warning for that was justified and in line with similar incidents in past Series. As for the girls code? well, that's just a made up term. I think there are people both male and female that will go after guys/girls who are in relationships. Would I do it? No. Do I think it's an admirable quality in Hazel? Absolutely not but Daley and only Daley is the one who cheated on his g/f, there is no one else to blame for hurting his g/f but himself, he was the one, who by being her B/f made a commitment not to step over any lines like he did with Hazel

[thesheriff443]

Yeah I know people have plenty to say, doesn't mean everyone should make a new thread for every opinion they have.

maybe members feel the need to make their own thread rather than post in someone elses, after daley being on bbotts there are new things to debate.
after all i think this is as big as fight nite bb5.

[Fish_Fingers]

Yeah you make a really good point Niamh, which I hadn't really considered. That being said, what do you feel then about her pulling his pants down on live television, something that could've seriously damaged his career? Also, how do you feel about the girl code thing in regards to Hazel and Daley's girlfriend? I'm by no means saying Daley is a good guy, of course he's not in respect to what went down this past week, but surely you don't see Hazel simply as an innocent victim?

If Daley had even half a brain cell between his ears he would have realized what she was up to and acted accordingly. However he lacked the necessary IQ to see the blindingly obvious until it was too late, and then he chose to respond with violence and aggression. He got played, pure and simple. But I don't feel one iota of sympathy for him. Man's supposed to be a man, an adult, but he's obviously not developed enough upstairs to act like one. He's responsible for that, nobody else.

[Raph]

I think that her warning for that was justified and in line with similar incidents in past Series. As for the girls code? well, that's just a made up term. I think there are people both male and female that will go after guys/girls who are in relationships. Would I do it? No. Do I think it's an admirable quality in Hazel? Absolutely not but Daley and only Daley is the one who cheated on his g/f, there is no one else to blame for hurting his g/f but himself, he was the one, who by being her B/f made a commitment not to step over any lines like he did with Hazel

Okay, that's all I was getting at really. Because I completely agree with you that Daley was completely disrespectful to his girlfriend, and then also to Hazel when he became aggressive. The only point I was trying to add was that Hazel wasn't some saint either. Let's face it, if Daley was with Rachel (bb9), Kathreya (bb9) or Hira (BB10) it wouldn't have happened, regardless of how attractive they are. Like Emma said, it takes two to tango.

[Raph]

If Daley had even half a brain cell between his ears he would have realized what she was up to and acted accordingly. However he lacked the necessary IQ to see the blindingly obvious until it was too late, and then he chose to respond with violence and aggression. He got played, pure and simple. But I don't feel one iota of sympathy for him. Man's supposed to be a man, an adult, but he's obviously not developed enough upstairs to act like one. He's responsible for that, nobody else.

Yeah I completely agree with this. He was unfortunately not clever enough to notice that he was getting played and as a result had to pay the consequences :(

[Beso]

Oh yes, perfectly nice chap.

He cheats on his girlfriend and ignores the fact that he has kids watching his actions on tv. Has control and alcohol issues. Underlining issues with women and a seriously dangerous violent streak that needs to be kept under wraps. And when confronted with said issues he either looses his temper, or blames his past, or his environment.

What a gem of a man.

you're not really saying what he did that was so wrong prior to this unfortunate incident that can be put down to too much alcohol!!

[arista]

cause im christian and he has apologised. it is clear to see that drink was to blame as there is no way he would have acted like that sober..so im blaming the drink and not dayley.

Hes a cool sound guy by the looks of it and would be a cool mate to have.


Yes the drink made it worse
but he was ejected
lucky to get a extra 11PM interview.



He choose to drink.

[GypsyGoth]

They is nothing to forgive, he has shown what type of man he is, that he can flip like that and become a really menacing person.

People know that about him now, and that's a good thing. Hopefully any of his future partners are well aware of how he can act when he thinks he's being challenged. And sadly there won't be security on hand ready to restrain him the next time.

[Beso]

Yeah I know people have plenty to say, doesn't mean everyone should make a new thread for every opinion they have.

But Ive fprgiven him, and it needs it's own thread, not because i'm christian but because i love myself too much.

[mr rochester]

If Daley had even half a brain cell between his ears he would have realized what she was up to and acted accordingly. However he lacked the necessary IQ to see the blindingly obvious until it was too late, and then he chose to respond with violence and aggression. He got played, pure and simple. But I don't feel one iota of sympathy for him. Man's supposed to be a man, an adult, but he's obviously not developed enough upstairs to act like one. He's responsible for that, nobody else.

Yes - he a clear example of arrested development. His reasons/excuses were pathetic...

I was hungry - erm...you can order food you don't have to cook - so why didn't you eat?

IF I have offended any women I am sorry...why aren't you sorry to everyone unequivocally without exception?

I can't even spend more than an hour with my brother - Oh well that's ok then - you crack on being abusive...

I can't sit around a meal table with other people - Look what happens when you don't eat...

I was drunk...Oh well - that's fine - you are totally excused...

I'd rather other people make their mind up about Hazel - Oh - so you can't even be bothered to give an opinion...or indeed an apology (and by the way an apology after an event like that will not make it OK.)

Intimating he had a difficult childhood without qualifying or giving examples...Yes - your development was clearly arrested - so are you saying anyone around you has to pay the price for that? Why have you not got help with all your problems? - Why wait until you are 34 and air them all on prime-time TV?

I didn't want to come on the programme - Well you should have stayed home then...

He is wearing his problems/issues like a medal of honour and seems to think that he is therefore excused acceptable behaviour because he is damaged.

The fall out has been spectacular...What vetting procedure? What risk assessments? What a mess...

[kefln]

you're not really saying what he did that was so wrong prior to this unfortunate incident that can be put down to too much alcohol!!

Actually he said that his actions on the night were down to alcohol. The rest of it, the cheating and the lying were his natural self

[kefln]

Yes - he a clear example of arrested development. His reasons/excuses were pathetic...

I was hungry - erm...you can order food you don't have to cook - so why didn't you eat?

IF I have offended any women I am sorry...why aren't you sorry to everyone unequivocally without exception?

I can't even spend more than an hour with my brother - Oh well that's ok then - you crack on being abusive...

I can't sit around a meal table with other people - Look what happens when you don't eat...

I was drunk...Oh well - that's fine - you are totally excused...

I'd rather other people make their mind up about Hazel - Oh - so you can't even be bothered to give an opinion...or indeed an apology (and by the way an apology after an event like that will not make it OK.)

Intimating he had a difficult childhood without qualifying or giving examples...Yes - your development was clearly arrested - so are you saying anyone around you has to pay the price for that? Why have you not got help with all your problems? - Why wait until you are 34 and air them all on prime-time TV?

I didn't want to come on the programme - Well you should have stayed home then...

He is wearing his problems/issues like a medal of honour and seems to think that he is therefore excused acceptable behaviour because he is damaged.

The fall out has been spectacular...What vetting procedure? What risk assessments? What a mess...
Well said

[Beso]

Actually he said that his actions on the night were down to alcohol. The rest of it, the cheating and the lying were his natural self

Ok..so it's fine for you to take his girlfriends word on wether they were together or not, but not daleys when he says it was having difficulties..if you remember back to the first few nights, daley was actually going to leave because he didnt know what was happening on the gf front....:sleep:

[Kyle]

I'm sure he'll sleep soundly tonight knowing you forgive him.

Personally i'm glad he was given the boot and this is from another man. You just cannot act like that, especially in front of millions of people. Alcohol is no excuse, sorry.

[RodHull]

Yes cause its a proven scientific fact that alcohol makes you change your basic moral code and behaviour.

Oh no hang on... it isnt at all

Drink just removes inhibitions it does not make nice guys into psychos...

[Niamh.]

Yes cause its a proven scientific fact that alcohol makes you change your basic moral code and behaviour.

Oh no hang on... it isnt at all

Drink just removes inhibitions it does not make nice guys into psychos...

His behavior was questionable from the minute he went into that safe house, so unless he was drunk the whole time he was in there, he can't really blame drink

[Kyle]

Ok..so it's fine for you to take his girlfriends word on wether they were together or not, but not daleys when he says it was having difficulties..if you remember back to the first few nights, daley was actually going to leave because he didnt know what was happening on the gf front....:sleep:

It's all well and good taking Daley's word for it, but which word? He changed his story several different times so he can't be trusted.

[the truth]

does anyne know if he has a criminal record

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah,He's not murdered anyone,I think a lttle perspective is needed.

[the truth]

Yeah,He's not murdered anyone,I think a lttle perspective is needed.

lol you wnt find much of that round, nor will you find balance sadly

[the truth]

Yeah,He's not murdered anyone,I think a lttle perspective is needed.

lol you wont find much of that round here, nor will you find balance sadly

[Patrick]

cause im christian and he has apologised. it is clear to see that drink was to blame as there is no way he would have acted like

Oh God, it's Gavin 2.0

[Johnnyuk123]

WTF You forgive this thug? You'll be telling us the world is flat next. oh wait....:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

lol you wont find much of that round here, nor will you find balance sadly

The truth:blush:

[cookiemonster]

but when someone's had a drink that's what they're really like

if anything your reason should be that he clearly has psychological problems and needs help. not that he was drinking. that's just what he's really like

[Northern Monkey]

but when someone's had a drink that's what they're really like

if anything your reason should be that he clearly has psychological problems and needs help. not that he was drinking. that's just what he's really like

That is wrong,Drink can totally change a persons character,I've seen it.

[cookiemonster]

That is wrong,Drink can totally change a persons character,I've seen it.
if it's changed then they just keep it well hidden when they're sober

[the truth]

these posters who seem to think paedophiles only exist in the Church and hopelessly deluded...they seem to think they are telling us something amazing and original as if we don't know? we know.....paedophilia just as any other criminal type exists in every career, every vocation, within every government and every institution. the church has billions of followers and 100,000s of preachers....there will be a small percentage of criminals there just as there is everywhere else....it doesn't make the whole thing crrupt because of these minority of sickos....just as in every other walk of life....the vast majority are good people and the good work that's done by the Christian church across the globe is phenomenal and way under reported..savings tens of thusands of lives, feeding the poor and impoverished and raising billions for charities.....but then again the shock jocks and attention seekers are not interested in this or seeking balance, they just sensationalize and try to destroy the church for their own shallow amusement

[Northern Monkey]

these posters who seem to think paedophiles only exist in the Church and hopelessly deluded...they seem to think they are telling us something amazing and original as if we don't know? we know.....paedophilia just as any other criminal type exists in every career, every vocation, within every government and every institution. the church has billions of followers and 100,000s of preachers....there will be a small percentage of criminals there just as there is everywhere else....it doesn't make the whole thing crrupt because of these minority of sickos....just as in every other walk of life....the vast majority are good people and the good work that's done by the Christian church across the globe is phenomenal and way under reported..savings tens of thusands of lives, feeding the poor and impoverished and raising billions for charities.....but then again the shock jocks and attention seekers are not interested in this or seeking balance, they just sensationalize and try to destroy the church for their own shallow amusement
Sorry,Too much common sense in your post,Mods,delete this.lol

[the truth]

Sorry,Too much common sense in your post,Mods,delete this.lol

I may get booted for this lol

[cookiemonster]

Oh God, it's Gavin 2.0
omg Gavin!!

[Shaun]

parmnion making a trolling thread? well i never

[Johnnyuk123]

does anyne know if he has a criminal record

Yes he has a police record. Message in a bottle.

[anne666]

Are you saying that if you weren't a Christian you wouldn't be capable of forgiveness? Is forgiveness only a preserve of Christians? I think not. I ,as a Human Being of no religious domination, am capable of forgiveness . I see this man as the natural product of his environment from birth to now.That is exactly who he is and how he behaves, as most people are. He needs to acknowledge that himself and get professional help to stop playing out his many serious issues on innocent people.

[anne666]

these posters who seem to think paedophiles only exist in the Church and hopelessly deluded...they seem to think they are telling us something amazing and original as if we don't know? we know.....paedophilia just as any other criminal type exists in every career, every vocation, within every government and every institution. the church has billions of followers and 100,000s of preachers....there will be a small percentage of criminals there just as there is everywhere else....it doesn't make the whole thing crrupt because of these minority of sickos....just as in every other walk of life....the vast majority are good people and the good work that's done by the Christian church across the globe is phenomenal and way under reported..savings tens of thusands of lives, feeding the poor and impoverished and raising billions for charities.....but then again the shock jocks and attention seekers are not interested in this or seeking balance, they just sensationalize and try to destroy the church for their own shallow amusement
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[Johnnyuk123]

Jimmy Savile was a devout christian wasn't he?

[calyman]

Neither I nor the O P have any right to "forgive" this thug. We merely witnessed his violent actions and threatening behaviour. If he is to be "forgiven", then it's those who may have been threatened, intimidated or abused by him that have the right to do so.

Also, "forgiviness" does not mean the slate is wiped clean. There are certain obligations placed upon the "forgiven" to change or moderate their behaviours. It seems apparent that Daley has many excuses as to why he has acted this way but no evidence of his desire to learn from and change such behaviours.

In the absence of such personal change any "forgiviness" is worth absolutely nothing, other than perhaps empowering and encouraging such thugs as Daley not to take personal responsibility for their own actions.

[rionablue]

cause im christian and he has apologised. it is clear to see that drink was to blame as there is no way he would have acted like that sober..so im blaming the drink and not dayley.

Hes a cool sound guy by the looks of it and would be a cool mate to have.

Are you for real? :conf: He apologised did he??? He didnt apologise in the sense that he said what he did to Hazel was wrong and he was sorry he hurt her. He is a dreadful human being and how ANYONE could condone it beats me. Drink shouldnt be blamed for it. He wasnt THAT drunk

[rionablue]

Okay I see your point but in Daley's defence he did ask Hazel to stop countless times. When she say "hug?" he would persistently say "go away" and "no" but she wouldn't listen. See Niamh, what I'm trying to say is that yes what he did was obviously wrong and he deserved to be removed for it. However, I feel sorry for him because none of this would've happened if Hazel hadn't consistently flirted with him in the first place, fully knowing that he had a girlfriend on the outside. He would've done much better sticking with the nice boys Callum and Sam.

It was he made the first moves Barker leading her to believe he was interested in her. Up to then they hadnt even spoken much. He told people he had a girfriend and that was a respected fact. When he started getting close to Hazel she asked him specifically about it and said she didnt want to be seen in a bad light trying to split them up. At that stage he said he probably wasnt in a relationsip and that they would need to talk when he got out ( he and his gf) That clearly gave Hazel the green light. She liked him, she flirted with him as he had with her and that was that. Even if he changed his mind and decided to be faithful to his girlfriend and Hazel had kept on and on asking for hugs he had a very simple choice, walk away from her. He didnt even though he kept saying no. He stayed there. Hazel cant be the only one blamed for the flirting and stuff. He made the first move and he did a U turn about the state of his relationsnip :devil:

[actor99]

well we have to forgive not always easy. because if we don't forgive then neither are we forgiven. but if Dailey needs help he should get it. somewhere. looks like he does. well he gone now so we have to move on I guess

[kefln]

Ok..so it's fine for you to take his girlfriends word on wether they were together or not, but not daleys when he says it was having difficulties..if you remember back to the first few nights, daley was actually going to leave because he didnt know what was happening on the gf front....:sleep:

Daleys bio before going into the house:

Here's someone who won't be getting into many fights in the Big Brother house: it's professional middleweight boxer Daley Ojuederie. In fact, he's been boxing for ten years and has never lost a fight. Let's all be nice to Daley.The handsome boxer has a girlfriend on the outside of the house, saying that he wasn't looking to get into a relationship, but he met his girlfriend and "it feels like I've been waiting for her all my life". CUTE.However, he says that he has been unfaithful in the past - cheating on past girlfriends - but the 28 year old* thinks he can last all the way through the show without "getting it on" with anyone. Brave.

Makes for interesting reading.

Enough said.

[Johnnyuk123]

They are indeed!
Catholics are just like the really, really bad ones. The worst of a bad bunch!:hugesmile:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

So just what are you saying. No-one go near Daley when he's had a drink LOL. OMG

He only had two glasses of champers the lightweight.

[amu]

I think it would be difficult for any man not to react like Daley if they are beeing provoked in that way.

[the truth]

Neither I nor the O P have any right to "forgive" this thug. We merely witnessed his violent actions and threatening behaviour. If he is to be "forgiven", then it's those who may have been threatened, intimidated or abused by him that have the right to do so.

Also, "forgiviness" does not mean the slate is wiped clean. There are certain obligations placed upon the "forgiven" to change or moderate their behaviours. It seems apparent that Daley has many excuses as to why he has acted this way but no evidence of his desire to learn from and change such behaviours.

In the absence of such personal change any "forgiviness" is worth absolutely nothing, other than perhaps empowering and encouraging such thugs as Daley not to take personal responsibility for their own actions.

in short...REPENT

[the truth]

Are you for real? :conf: He apologised did he??? He didnt apologise in the sense that he said what he did to Hazel was wrong and he was sorry he hurt her. He is a dreadful human being and how ANYONE could condone it beats me. Drink shouldnt be blamed for it. He wasnt THAT drunk

HE DIDNT HURT HER he threatened to her, BIG DIFFERENCE

[Northern Monkey]

I think,Alot of us have probably said and done things that we wish we had'nt whilst drunk,Just not on national TV!Doh!Daley was an idiot for sure,I think alot was blown out of proportion though,But what can you expect,It's TV,Everyone sees it.

[Beso]

He only had two glasses of champers the lightweight.

And a monitor.