Why did BB drop Hazel in the sh!t when Daley questioned how he was aggresive?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

They basically told on her lol.

They said "Hazel also confirmed she felt threatened and cornered".

C'mon BB have the balls to just say his behaviour was offensive and not resort to dropping another housemate in it to cover your back.

This resulted in him becoming very angry at her (again) and now as you can see having hatred for the girl.

It was such a sensitive situation he should never have been told that Hazel had confessed she felt that way especially when it was BB who prompted her to say it

she didn't voluntarily go to the diary room to stress this.

That should have been kept in confidence.

[Marc]

To justify their decision

[Niamh.]

I agree but never the less he should have been ashamed that he made her feel afraid not got angry with her because of it...........but there you go point proven that she was right to feel that way

[Jack_]

I really didn't like that, since when has it been okay to quote other housemates diary room entries, it's meant to a confidential place where discussions that occur remain private, they have always stressed that so this wasn't very fair

I actually think that's the reason he still seems so pissed off at her, the way they read it out it was as if she was calling for him to be kicked out

[fingers]

I really didn't like that, since when has it been okay to quote other housemates diary room entries, it's meant to a confidential place where discussions that occur remain private, they have always stressed that so this wasn't very fair

I actually think that's the reason he still seems so pissed off at her, the way they read it out it was as if she was calling for him to be kicked out

For all her astuteness, it was either dumb to say what she did or else it was completely calculated.

[Jack_]

For all her astuteness, it was either dumb to say what she did or else it was completely calculated.

You are taking the piss, right? Her reaction in the diary room was totally genuine and her body language said it all

The problem was that the way Big Brother read it out conflicted with what Daley thought she was feeling as she had hugged him and told him that he'd done nothing wrong (and NO, that doesn't mean it was calculated...she's hardly going to tell him directly that she was scared straight after the event is she, give me a break) so when he found out she'd said all that behind his back and the way they read it out as if she was demanding he be kicked out, well I'm not surprised he was pissed off and confused...I genuinely believe that's why he now has this big problem with her, because nobody seems to have explained to him that she was just scared at that particular moment but was still concerned about him the next day

It was just a bad explanation on Big Brother's part and something which should never have happened (reading her quotes out that is)

[Josy]

Daley seemed to looked shocked when they mentioned him being aggressive so they had to make sure he knew how Hazel had felt about it.

[CaudleHalbard]

Daley will see what she said in the DR, now he's out of the house.

Makes no difference that Emma mentioned it: it's public knowledge.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Daley seemed to looked shocked when they mentioned him being aggressive so they had to make sure he knew how Hazel had felt about it.

He openly acknowledged the night before that his behaviour could be seen as offensive so that's all they needed.

He broke BB rules and there was no need to quote a confidential chat of such a sensitive subject to him which would make the man feel 100 times more enraged and confused after they left him spend the night with her.

They were out of order and handled the situation totally wrong.

[Niamh.]

He openly acknowledged the night before that his behaviour could be seen as offensive so that's all they needed.

He broke BB rules and there was no need to quote a confidential chat of such a sensitive subject to him which would make the man feel 100 times more enraged and confused after they left him spend the night with her.

They were out of order and handled the situation totally wrong.

Yeah, it's a bit hypocritical if you compare it with the Deana/Conor thing. In that case Deana was asked if she felt threatened in the house after Conor received his warning but they never told her that Conor had got that warning or what he'd actually said about her, in that case it would have been justified yet they never told her

[Josy]

He openly acknowledged the night before that his behaviour could be seen as offensive so that's all they needed.

He broke BB rules and there was no need to quote a confidential chat of such a sensitive subject to him which would make the man feel 100 times more enraged and confused after they left him spend the night with her.

They were out of order and handled the situation totally wrong.

Yes could be seen as offensive but they were removing him for aggressive behaviour and I'm guessing that's why they quoted Hazel to let him know that she had also seen it as him being aggressive.

Don't see why matters either tbh way since the public watched Hazels diary room scenes anyway he could easily have watched when he got out.

[johnx]

Had some sympathy for Daley but he's in todays Daily Star calling Hazel evil-and probably pickin up a few grand.This a day after they called him a sex attacker!! Of course the same person owns both CH5 and The Star.No one has come out of this seamy episode lookin good really.

[Stankleberry]

Oh poor victim Hazel.

[johnx]

My favourite moment;
BB-Daley,could you explain what just happened?
Daley-(looking totally bemused) In what respect?

[Vicky.]

The way they said it was as if she had actually made a complaint too..rather than just answered their question. Bad form. I don't think he would have as much resentment for Hazel if he knew the truth tbh

[Northern Monkey]

He would of seen it anyway.

[Daffodil]

The reason they asked Hazel about her feelings on the incident was to establish whether to get rid of him or not. Because she confirmed she felt threatened, they had no alternative but to remove him. If she had not made that statement, he would still be there but with a formal warning.

[tonster76]

I think they were just trying to justify their decision, it makes no sense to me that she riled him up so much and sexually harassed him and then said she felt cornered. she was trying to get him into her bed.

his language wasn't to be taken literal or out of context. it's just the way he talks, the slang he uses. I think he was less guilty then her in the situation like, he just used language, she actually groped him. if anyone was cornered it was him.

why she would say she was fearful I don't understand... she was saying come on then, I'm not afraid of aggressive men and stirring him on


she deserved to be dobbed in for finalising bb decision

[Sophiee]

this is exactly what I thought, however they did need to justify the reasons to daley for his ejection. if they were going to air it on tv anyway he could have seen when he came out of the house. I still think it was wrong though really.

[kate2013]

I agree with Josy.
BB would have removed Daley from the house because his behaviour was aggressive and threatening. It was because Daley appeared puzzled that they informed him of how Hazel felt. He knew he'd done wrong because he questioned her if he'd done anything wrong before he left and went to the diary room. If he thinks that grabbing a woman by the neck and pinning her to the bed by her wrists then threatening to nut her is acceptable, then there is something seriously wrong.

Instead of focusing on Hazels wrong doings to make money he should be accepting his own, otherwise he has learnt nothing and needs to change his PR before he digs himself a hole so deep there be no ladder long enough to climb out of it. The papers will be loving this, what Daley should of done was taken a few days to let his emotions calm down then sat and rewatched the footage from a viewers perspective.

[GiRTh]

I agree with Josy.
BB would have removed Daley from the house because his behaviour was aggressive and threatening. It was because Daley appeared puzzled that they informed him of how Hazel felt. He knew he'd done wrong because he questioned her if he'd done anything wrong before he left and went to the diary room. If he thinks that grabbing a woman by the neck and pinning her to the bed by her wrists then threatening to nut her is acceptable, then there is something seriously wrong.

Instead of focusing on Hazels wrong doings to make money he should be accepting his own, otherwise he has learnt nothing and needs to change his PR before he digs himself a hole so deep there be no ladder long enough to climb out of it. The papers will be loving this, what Daley should of done was taken a few days to let his emotions calm down then sat and rewatched the footage from a viewers perspective.:thumbs:

[anne666]

Any woman accusing this control freak misogynist of ANYTHING would annoy him. He was so pissed I doubt if he remembered much anyhow. Frightening!!

[anne666]

I agree with Josy.
BB would have removed Daley from the house because his behaviour was aggressive and threatening. It was because Daley appeared puzzled that they informed him of how Hazel felt. He knew he'd done wrong because he questioned her if he'd done anything wrong before he left and went to the diary room. If he thinks that grabbing a woman by the neck and pinning her to the bed by her wrists then threatening to nut her is acceptable, then there is something seriously wrong.

Instead of focusing on Hazels wrong doings to make money he should be accepting his own, otherwise he has learnt nothing and needs to change his PR before he digs himself a hole so deep there be no ladder long enough to climb out of it. The papers will be loving this, what Daley should of done was taken a few days to let his emotions calm down then sat and rewatched the footage from a viewers perspective.
Agree and he had said it himself and apologised. No argument.

[michael21]

They basically told on her lol.

They said "Hazel also confirmed she felt threatened and cornered".

C'mon BB have the balls to just say his behaviour was offensive and not resort to dropping another housemate in it to cover your back.

This resulted in him becoming very angry at her (again) and now as you can see having hatred for the girl.

It was such a sensitive situation he should never have been told that Hazel had confessed she felt that way especially when it was BB who prompted her to say it

she didn't voluntarily go to the diary room to stress this.

That should have been kept in confidence.

yea there told on her it not like it a tv show where Daley can view what been said is it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[vivparker]

and why shouldn't they have grassed her up - she wasn't exactly without blame regarding the whole incident. I still think they should show the house before she cashes in on the poor little victim role. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone his behaviour but she has got to shoulder a portion of the blame for egging him on.

[CaudleHalbard]

Just got off the phone to an ex-police mate of mine. He has watched the Dazelgate saga although not normally a BB fan. I thought I'd jot down his comments whilst they are fresh in my mind:

1. The ultimate act of the incident, although technically an assault, would be treated as threatening behaviour. A minor offence. The bum slap given by Daley to Hazel was actually the real assault.

2. The act of exposing someone's sexual parts is a serious matter and should not be dismissed lightly.

3. Even if Hazel made a complaint there would not be a snowball in hell's chance of the CPS accepting the case for prosecution. Similarly for Daley if he wanted Hazel prosecuted for her part in the incident. This is because of the surrounding circumstances.

4. If either of them went to the police the most that would happen is a caution.... for both of them. Probably not even that.

My friend felt that some people are a bit too free and easy throwing around words like "assault" and "abuse" .

Anyway, I thought forum members might be interested. Just one ex-cop's view of course and based on nothing more than what all of us have seen. :)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I think they were just trying to justify their decision, it makes no sense to me that she riled him up so much and sexually harassed him and then said she felt cornered. she was trying to get him into her bed.

his language wasn't to be taken literal or out of context. it's just the way he talks, the slang he uses. I think he was less guilty then her in the situation like, he just used language, she actually groped him. if anyone was cornered it was him.

why she would say she was fearful I don't understand... she was saying come on then, I'm not afraid of aggressive men and stirring him on


she deserved to be dobbed in for finalising bb decision

Standing up for herself.

What a bitch :rolleyes:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

yea there told on her it not like it a tv show where Daley can view what been said is it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You really should create poetry with such talented written capabilities.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

and why shouldn't they have grassed her up - she wasn't exactly without blame regarding the whole incident. I still think they should show the house before she cashes in on the poor little victim role. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone his behaviour but she has got to shoulder a portion of the blame for egging him on.

She hasn't played the victim - She kept it personal and only confided in Dan and also stressed concern for Daleys wellbeing on the outside.

She has taken part of the blame - She said they were both behaving the same but doesn't know when it got out of hand. She told Dan she slapped his arse and pulled down his pants.

Do you not watch the same show?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Just got off the phone to an ex-police mate of mine. He has watched the Dazelgate saga although not normally a BB fan. I thought I'd jot down his comments whilst they are fresh in my mind:

1. The ultimate act of the incident, although technically an assault, would be treated as threatening behaviour. A minor offence. The bum slap given by Daley to Hazel was actually the real assault.

2. The act of exposing someone's sexual parts is a serious matter and should not be dismissed lightly.

3. Even if Hazel made a complaint there would not be a snowball in hell's chance of the CPS accepting the case for prosecution. Similarly for Daley if he wanted Hazel prosecuted for her part in the incident. This is because of the surrounding circumstances.

4. If either of them went to the police the most that would happen is a caution.... for both of them. Probably not even that.

My friend felt that some people are a bit too free and easy throwing around words like "assault" and "abuse" .

Anyway, I thought forum members might be interested. Just one ex-cop's view of course and based on nothing more than what all of us have seen. :)

Did they watch the highly edited highlight show clip or the hours of Daleys distressing behaviour building up to the final moment?

I assume you just showed them the youtube clip from the highlight show which didn't represent what actually happened.

[kate2013]

Daleys behaviour was totally inappropriate and shouldn't be taken lightly which it hasn't, he was removed for it.

But Hazels behaviour in the house towards Daley wasn't an easy watch, I think Dexter called it cringeworthy. Im not comparing it to Daleys it wasn't threatening violence or aggressive, but I'll say this...
Gina's right, Hazel has no girl code. Or respect. This woman by her behaviour would shove her breasts in your mans face just to see if she could feel powerful if his knob engorged. Why? because shes bored and its the way she validates herself.
She soon dropped Dan for Daley when she realised shoving Dans face in her "airbags" had no "impact."

Still, least she'll be useful for something, maybe they could test drive her on Top Gear.

And thinking of it, if Daley had pulled her pants down she probably would have been just annoyed that she was saving them soul rights for Nuts magazine.

Not only does this woman have any female loyalty she also has no conversation. The relationship between Daley and herself was based on lust and control.

As for most of the characters in the house Ive lost the ability to care. They are dull. When the highlight of the series so far is Dexter running round the garden naked, whilst detective Dan trys to work out if Daley did the Airbags with his Candlestick in the Safe house, it really is a shambles.

[smeagol]

just what we need another dazel thread yawn

[fingers]

just what we need another dazel thread yawn

Don't read them smeagy old son! :joker:

[smeagol]

Don't read them smeagy old son! :joker:

cant avoid them all say the same thing
i might have to start one when im bored

[fingers]

cant avoid them all say the same thing
i might have to start one when im bored

Good Idea! I'll offer you a title, how about "Dazel - a critique!"

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Daleys behaviour was totally inappropriate and shouldn't be taken lightly which it hasn't, he was removed for it.

But Hazels behaviour in the house towards Daley wasn't an easy watch, I think Dexter called it cringeworthy. Im not comparing it to Daleys it wasn't threatening violence or aggressive, but I'll say this...
Gina's right, Hazel has no girl code. Or respect. This woman by her behaviour would shove her breasts in your mans face just to see if she could feel powerful if his knob engorged. Why? because shes bored and its the way she validates herself.
She soon dropped Dan for Daley when she realised shoving Dans face in her "airbags" had no "impact."

Still, least she'll be useful for something, maybe they could test drive her on Top Gear.

And thinking of it, if Daley had pulled her pants down she probably would have been just annoyed that she was saving them soul rights for Nuts magazine.

Not only does this woman have any female loyalty she also has no conversation. The relationship between Daley and herself was based on lust and control.

As for most of the characters in the house Ive lost the ability to care. They are dull. When the highlight of the series so far is Dexter running round the garden naked, whilst detective Dan trys to work out if Daley did the Airbags with his Candlestick in the Safe house, it really is a shambles.

Totally agree with this.

[CaudleHalbard]

Did they watch the highly edited highlight show clip or the hours of Daleys distressing behaviour building up to the final moment?

I assume you just showed them the youtube clip from the highlight show which didn't represent what actually happened.

I have shown him nothing. He has seen the actual "assaults" referred to.

The point being made is that the threat of an assault, e.g. "I will nut you" is a lower order than an actual assault. This is an example:

I can say to you that I will murder you for your comments on TiBB. I could even come around to your home and stand threateningly over you as I said it. HOWEVER......... unless I carry out my threat I cannot be tried for murder. At most this would be threatening behaviour and the most I would get is a caution.

If I slapped your bum, it would actually be a more serious offence.

[smudgie]

Just got off the phone to an ex-police mate of mine. He has watched the Dazelgate saga although not normally a BB fan. I thought I'd jot down his comments whilst they are fresh in my mind:

1. The ultimate act of the incident, although technically an assault, would be treated as threatening behaviour. A minor offence. The bum slap given by Daley to Hazel was actually the real assault.

2. The act of exposing someone's sexual parts is a serious matter and should not be dismissed lightly.

3. Even if Hazel made a complaint there would not be a snowball in hell's chance of the CPS accepting the case for prosecution. Similarly for Daley if he wanted Hazel prosecuted for her part in the incident. This is because of the surrounding circumstances.

4. If either of them went to the police the most that would happen is a caution.... for both of them. Probably not even that.

My friend felt that some people are a bit too free and easy throwing around words like "assault" and "abuse" .

Anyway, I thought forum members might be interested. Just one ex-cop's view of course and based on nothing more than what all of us have seen. :)



Not surprised that he is an ex cop if he does not recognise assault and abuse when he seesit

[CaudleHalbard]

Not surprised that he is an ex cop if he does not recognise assault and abuse when he seesit

I shall pass on your patronising comment. He retired from the force as an inspector.

He had had to deal with real cases of abuse including domestic.

[smudgie]

I shall pass on your patronising comment. He retired from the force as an inspector.

He had had to deal with real cases of abuse including domestic.

You can pass on what you like.
It is not patronising . Apart from the actual physical abuse and assault,before someone even lays a finger on you they can be taken to court for abuse. This country passed a bill that states someone trying to control someone else by dictating what they can and cannot do is abusing the

I won't even try and explain the assault, abuse , GBH or ABH laws. Ask your mate.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Not surprised that he is an ex cop if he does not recognise assault and abuse when he seesit

My dads an ex detective so I totally back you up when people say police are just as useless as anyone else.

[smudgie]

My dads an ex detective so I totally back you up when people say police are just as useless as anyone else.

No, I am not saying all police are useless.
But no one is perfect.

[rionablue]

and why shouldn't they have grassed her up - she wasn't exactly without blame regarding the whole incident. I still think they should show the house before she cashes in on the poor little victim role. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone his behaviour but she has got to shoulder a portion of the blame for egging him on.

By saying that she has to shoulder a portion of the blame for his slapping her and grasping her by the neck and using awful threatning language show that you DO condone his behaviour in some way vivparker. Sorry but its true. Even if she egged him on which she was still convinced was playfighting he acted in a vicious and unacceptable way and in no way shape or form can Hazel be blamed for HIS actions no matter how much you dislike her

[rionablue]

Daleys behaviour was totally inappropriate and shouldn't be taken lightly which it hasn't, he was removed for it.

But Hazels behaviour in the house towards Daley wasn't an easy watch, I think Dexter called it cringeworthy. Im not comparing it to Daleys it wasn't threatening violence or aggressive, but I'll say this...
Gina's right, Hazel has no girl code. Or respect. This woman by her behaviour would shove her breasts in your mans face just to see if she could feel powerful if his knob engorged. Why? because shes bored and its the way she validates herself.
She soon dropped Dan for Daley when she realised shoving Dans face in her "airbags" had no "impact."

Still, least she'll be useful for something, maybe they could test drive her on Top Gear.

And thinking of it, if Daley had pulled her pants down she probably would have been just annoyed that she was saving them soul rights for Nuts magazine.

Not only does this woman have any female loyalty she also has no conversation. The relationship between Daley and herself was based on lust and control.

As for most of the characters in the house Ive lost the ability to care. They are dull. When the highlight of the series so far is Dexter running round the garden naked, whilst detective Dan trys to work out if Daley did the Airbags with his Candlestick in the Safe house, it really is a shambles.

DONT BLOODY WATCH IT THEN. If I didnt care what happened or about the characters I would spend my time watching something I liked. Daley had free will he is a grown man if he wasnt interested no matter what she did with her tits and if he had remembered he was in a committed relationship nothing would ever have happened. He gave her the feeling he was interested in her, told her the situation with his gf had changed and he didnt think he was in a relationship anymore which was in my opinion the green light for her to flirt and ask for hugs and anything else. I cant STAND this Hazel hate and I in a post last week said I had got Hazel wrong as I had championed her and she had let me down with her flirty goings on etc but I would still stand by her in this horrible case because DALEY WAS WRONG

[CaudleHalbard]

Oh well Daley has grabbed the "victim" role and it will be hard for Hazel to prise that away from him.

I'll be interested to see her reaction to the tennis balls. Could be a walker!

[fingers]

Oh well Daley has grabbed the "victim" role and it will be hard for Hazel to prise that away from him.

I'll be interested to see her reaction to the tennis balls. Could be a walker!

I just said that!! on the "Hazel tells the House thread!

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Hazel is pure evil she will milk every situation for her own benefit....

[amu]

BB needed to say it have an excuse to kick him out, it was unfair.