Fickle fans

[Niamh.]

I see people post this alot when someone changes their mind about who they like. Is it really fickleness or are these people more objective viewers and judge people by their actions in the house and from getting to know them better rather than stubbornly sticking by their chosen HM no matter what they say or do?

What do you think?

[smudgie]

Nothing fickle about it.

I liked Charlie the most when she went in, now I am right off her.

I class myself as a fan of BB rather than any housemate.

I just don't understand the fanatical behaviour where people support someone whatever they do, and even worse, think it is okay to go into every post trying to blast other posters simply because t is not worshipping their chosen one. Find it and them a bit weird to be honest.

[Jake.]

It really annoys me, can't stand it when suddenly members completely do a U-Turn on HM's because they say something about their favourite HM :bored:

[Jemal]

lol if you go off an housemate you go off a housemate.. Its nothing major.
But if i wanted to stop supporting coach, Gina or Sam i would. No big deal lol

[Vicky.]

People do change their minds. The people who say things like 'oh X nominated X so I dont like them anymore' though, IMO never liked the person in the first place really.

[Niamh.]

lol if you go off an housemate you go off a housemate.. Its nothing major.
Unless your bandwagoning which is what most dexter fans so anyways, then yeah whatever. But if i wanted to stop coach, Gina or Sam i would. No big deal lol

I don't think it's fair to say people are band wagoning, they're the most popular HMs, someone has to be

[Marc]

I think it's definitely possible to 'go off' the people who you originally liked at the start. I always say I won't make favourites at the start because I usually go off some people (eg. this season I'm going off Gina and Jackie and went off Jemima) but I always do it :laugh:

[Jemal]

Look let me give you an example. Alright.. Hmm. Dexter was the most hated housemate week 1 after sallie and arguably gina. Ok he was still unpopular until he went into the
Safehouse. Once he was in the safe house the whole world was on his side lmfao. And I didnt really understand that...
And also off subject abit, but i watched callum talking to Sam about dexters feelings and tbh for three whole weeks he went about telling everyone he liked hazel, then he comes out the safe house and *click* Charlie is who he likes.
But yeah their are alot of people who jump on bandwagons.

[Niamh.]

I guess it's human nature to make more excuses for HMs that you like and jump on things people you don't like do as well. I've found myself defending some things Hazel does that I might not in other HMs, I think it's more of a case of(as MTVN said earlier) me thinking all the hate she gets is way OTT for what she actually does in there

[Vicky.]

Do not insult fans of housemates. It is fine to insult housemates, to a certain extent...as long as it is not too over the top (eg. $^&%*%(% is such a fat ugly horrible bitch, I wish she would just die a horrible and painful death) but insulting fans, counts as insulting other FMs. This includes stereotyping fans (IE. all &^%&*$%&^ fans are shallow) and accusing people of jumping on bandwagons, just because they like someone you do not.



:whistle:

[Raph]

That's an interesting question Niamh. I think it all depends on what you mean by fickle, but I totally see the issue. In my opinion, being fickle is more when you see absolutely no fault in your favourite housemate whatsoever. That doesn't mean that you don't continue to support them, but to put it into perspective - I think extremely highly of Callum and want him to win without a shadow of a doubt. That being said, I did criticize him when he nominated Wolfy as I thought it was quite weak of him conforming to the group like that by nominating one of his closest friends in the house. Fickle on the other hand would be, for example saying "Callum knows what he's doing, Wolfy is horrible", just because Callum is your favourite.

Without pointing any direct fingers, I would say Dexter fans seem to be the most fickle, in regards to how I defined fickle above. It seems as though Dexter can do no wrong and people like Callum who aren't very close to Dexter, are horrible at all costs. That to me, is fickle. But then again, its funny because I get that Dexter is sort of the troll housemate so of course, people who support him are going to troll a little as well, if that makes sense.

Finally, I think changing views on housemates definitely doesn't show being fickle, but at the same time doesn't necessarily incinuate maturity and and more of an objective viewpoint either. If anything, I think it highlights the fact that you haven't warmed to any particular housemate enough to want to persistently support them. I was very much like that last series switching back and fourth from Deana to Luke A to Luke S to Conor to Caroline. That didn't necessarily mean I was more objective, but moreso that none of them were really likeable enough for me to really want to dedicate myself to.

[Niamh.]

haha, that bandwagon claim happens every year, it's so annoying

[Jake.]

Bandwagon

[Jemal]

:whistle:

Jesus Christ
Sorry.

[Niamh.]

Bandwagon

http://i.imgur.com/VKIr5Rk.gif

[Jake.]

In all honesty the thing I can't stand the most is people seeing no negatives in the personality or actions of their favourite housemate. Obviously you aren't going to point out negative factors constantly regarding your favourite, but if a housemate I like does something which I feel is wrong, I'm more than happy to point that out. Take the other day for example: Daley and Callum both got stick for nominating 'their good friend' Dexter a few weeks back, but when Dexter nominated Gina the other day excuses were made and so on about why it wasn't a problem for him to do so. Examples like the above show fans being fickle, because why is the former terrible but the latter 100% okay?

[Raph]

In all honesty the thing I can't stand the most is people seeing no negatives in the personality or actions of their favourite housemate. Obviously you aren't going to point out negative factors constantly regarding your favourite, but if a housemate I like does something which I feel is wrong, I'm more than happy to point that out. Take the other day for example: Daley and Callum both got stick for nominating 'their good friend' Dexter a few weeks back, but when Dexter nominated Gina the other day excuses were made and so on about why it wasn't a problem for him to do so. Examples like the above show fans being fickle, because why is the former terrible but the latter 100% okay?

Very true, and I feel as though Daley and Charlie barely got any stick for nominating Callum the first time that they did, although for me that was the turning point for both of them, at which I started to dislike them as housemates. And yeah agreed, Dexter nominating Gina came across very sneaky.

[Vicky.]

In all honesty the thing I can't stand the most is people seeing no negatives in the personality or actions of their favourite housemate. Obviously you aren't going to point out negative factors constantly regarding your favourite, but if a housemate I like does something which I feel is wrong, I'm more than happy to point that out. Take the other day for example: Daley and Callum both got stick for nominating 'their good friend' Dexter a few weeks back, but when Dexter nominated Gina the other day excuses were made and so on about why it wasn't a problem for him to do so. Examples like the above show fans being fickle, because why is the former terrible but the latter 100% okay?

I still don't see what was so wrong about nominating Gina. I agreed with his reasons...even though I do think she genuinely misheard Daley.

The problem I had with Daleys(and Callums to a lesser extent) nomination of Dexter was the piss poor reasoning. 'Because I want to see you on the outside' or something..it came across as just following the herd despite having no reason to. But they can all nominate who they like.

I think Dexter got a lot of criticism for his bumlicking last night..both from fans and from people who never liked him. There are a couple of absolute fanatics for each housemate tbh, but most people will admit when their fave screws up

[Jake.]

Very true, and I feel as though Daley and Charlie barely got any stick for nominating Callum the first time that they did, although for me that was the turning point for both of them, at which I started to dislike them as housemates. And yeah agreed, Dexter nominating Gina came across very sneaky.

Exactly, I like Dexter and I think HM's should nominate who they feel comfortable with nominating, but that doesn't mean I'm going to make excuses for them.

[Jake.]

I still don't see what was so wrong about nominating Gina. I agreed with his reasons...even though I do think she genuinely misheard Daley.

The problem I had with Daleys(and Callums to a lesser extent) nomination of Dexter was the piss poor reasoning. 'Because I want to see you on the outside' or something..it came across as just following the herd despite having no reason to. But they can all nominate who they like.

I think Dexter got a lot of criticism for his bumlicking last night..both from fans and from people who never liked him. There are a couple of absolute fanatics for each housemate tbh, but most people will admit when their fave screws up

No I don't either really, it's the fact that it's a rule for one HM and another rule for everybody else imo. Daley and Callum's reasoning was poor indeed, but one of the reasons they where criticised was for nominating their apparent friend, which is exactly what Dexter did (and it was assumed that both were very close). I haven't seen last nights show yet so I'll keep an eye out, and whilst many do admit when their favourite does wrong, there's the others that believe that their favourite can do no wrong imo.

[Raph]

Vicky, were you dissapointed in Daley and Charlie when they nominated Callum, and similarly when Callum nominated Wolfy?

[user104658]

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[user104658]

I think sticking determinedly to one housemate shows far less integrity, personally. Or rallying against one and making everything they do "evil" whilst ignoring the same actions in others or applauding them - e.g. Gina fans vilifying Hazel for pot stirring. Madness. Gina has had a bigger spoon than any of them and has done it with LESS regard for anyone but herself.

Using Gina as an example of people just sticking, too: I found her entertaining in the safehouse. Certainly not "a good person", but fun. WHAT has she done since then? Absolutely nothing. She's shown everything she's got to show and will be an utter bore until the end now, but still has massive support for no apparent reason. Like I said, it's not even like she's a nice person. She'd not bother to muster up a spit if you were on fire, darling.

I also agree that I tend to side with people when they're being attacked. Hazel might stir and be quite shrewd but I honestly think she's being genuine 70% of the time. She gets slated every time she speaks. it's not even just to support an underdog, the attacks and ridiculous claims often make me observe that person more closely and objectively and then I often find plenty to like.People seem to just make up their mind, and then not give people a chance. THAT is fickle... and bad for the show... because good characters go! Hazel has more to bring now than Gina but Gina will be there until the end.

[Vicky.]

Vicky, were you dissapointed in Daley and Charlie when they nominated Callum, and similarly when Callum nominated Wolfy?

No..I dont care who they nominate at all. Its when they use really poor reasons for doing so. And tbh I dont even remember Callum nominating Wolfy, or Daley nominating Callum. I totally understood Charlies reasons for nominating Callum though. But this week she was quite annoying, voting for him then going to stroke his knee and act all mushy :laugh:

[Raph]

No..I dont care who they nominate at all. Its when they use really poor reasons for doing so. And tbh I dont even remember Callum nominating Wolfy, or Daley nominating Callum. I totally understood Charlies reasons for nominating Callum though. But this week she was quite annoying, voting for him then going to stroke his knee and act all mushy :laugh:

Well I meant the notion of nominating their friends :p But fair enough, I guess it's all about consistency isn't it. I'd be disappointed in any housemates who were to nominate their friends, even if Hazel nominated Dan :laugh:

[Kazanne]

I see people post this alot when someone changes their mind about who they like. Is it really fickleness or are these people more objective viewers and judge people by their actions in the house and from getting to know them better rather than stubbornly sticking by their chosen HM no matter what they say or do?

What do you think?

I think your right Niamh , sometimes I like someone, but go off them due to their actions I don't consider it fickle,what I do think is fickle is someone turning against a housemate just because they do not fall in with their fave,such as they like them,then because they have said or done something against their fave,they suddenly hate them.

[Niamh.]

I think your right Niamh , sometimes I like someone, but go off them due to their actions I don't consider it fickle,what I do think is fickle is someone turning against a housemate just because they do not fall in with their fave,such as they like them,then because they have said or done something against their fave,they suddenly hate them.

Yeah, absolutely agree with that

[Vicky.]

Well I meant the notion of nominating their friends :p But fair enough, I guess it's all about consistency isn't it. I'd be disappointed in any housemates who were to nominate their friends, even if Hazel nominated Dan :laugh:

See this is where you and me differ a lot. You see genuine friendships. I see it as mostly gameplaying. Not many of them stay in touch after the show ends..which kinda proves (in my mind at least) that its not real friendships. This is why I don;t get pissed about nominations..

The only time I care about them is when it becomes obvious that the group have just picked a target or two. BB10 was the worst for that

[Jemal]

Lol callum and Sam have a genuine friendship imo.

[Vicky.]

Lol callum and Sam have a genuine friendship imo.

Yes thats probably the only actual friendship I see in there. Can see them staying in touch for a long time after the show.

[Jemal]

Its just dexter, his friends and girlfriends have come on the show and they have completely exposed him to just being fame hungry at any cost. Lol. Charlie will get dropped on the outside.

[smudgie]

Lol callum and Sam have a genuine friendship imo.

Yes, I agree, hope it carries on.

[user104658]

I think Sam definitely looks up to Callum like a big brother, and Callum clearly has a genuine soft spot for him. It's nice as there are very few friendships this year. Luke A and Adam's developing friendship was one if the mist subtly enjoyable things last year. Not high drama and explosions, but a real mutual friendship developing over the weeks. In the early seasons lots of real friendships developed... but not any more.

What was absolutely disgusting... was Jackie trying to turn Sam against Callum! They were slatng him and Sam quite sweetly spoke up like "...I don't know what's so bad, I like him :(" and Jackie basically responded saying that's because he's young and naive, and if he was older and wiser like her he wouldn't like him. Sly! telling a young boy that "if he was more mature and wise" he would ditch a friend.

[lily.]

Every year, I form opinions based on first impressions on the launch night, and that can change as the show goes on. The ones I expect to like, I don't and vice versa.

For example, at launch this year I was sure I'd dislike Gina and Dexter and like Hazel and Wolfie. Now I'm glad Wolfie is gone and dislike Hazel, whereas I find Dexter to be an interesting and complex character, and I find Gina hilarious.

[Vicky.]

Every year, I form opinions based on first impressions on the launch night, and that can change as the show goes on. The ones I expect to like, I don't and vice versa.

For example, at launch this year I was sure I'd dislike Gina and Dexter and like Hazel and Wolfie. Now I'm glad Wolfie is gone and dislike Hazel, whereas I find Dexter to be an interesting and complex character, and I find Gina hilarious.

Wasnt posting on the second launch as I watched it late..but here is my reaction to Dexter on launch

Ok.. I KNOW I am going to hate this guy.

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

I never back one housemate tbh,There is nobody i really like,Just a few i don't like.I don't get that immersed to back one character,I watch for the barneys and stuff.

[smeagol]

people are very fickle by nature its not just here its in life generally.

my favs in bb tend to be the same throughout but i think im a good judge of character lol same with the ones i dislike im usally the only one who dislikes them at the start and people finally catch on later i.e wolfy etc

my fav this year is dex but i got no problem changing my mind on who i like. and no problem with others who do . the problem is some people have favs for all the wrong reasons thats why some change them a lot. but............

this year isnt like most bb's all are out to to win all are seperate in their goal to get the precious even jacky charlie dont seem close like you'd expect. they all so badly want to win that people not knowing who to support one day to the next is understandable

[kate2013]

People changing their minds about housemates is par for the course because housemates behaviours are changing in there.

What I cannot stand is fans stealing the ideas of others peoples for a thread and so you end up with eight different threads about the same housemate and their behaviour. Cant people just add their opinion to the first original thread rather than either stealing that idea, or using the same idea and creating yet another thread?

It happened to me last night with Hazel word for word. Then by 12pm there has got to be eight diffent threads about the twins, the original I think was the blubbering brothers, same number about the arguement between Callum and Jackie, and someone started a really good thread about compassion in the house referring to Callum signing pumelling to Sam, and suddenly four more threads cropped up when the original was perfectly fine which has now been buried by all the other similar threads.
Theres no way I can be bothered to go through eight threads of the same subject matter. I think if someone has an original idea for a thread answer it dont bloody start another one.
. Otherwise get an original idea or thougjt of your own.

[kefln]

Its not about being fickle, its just natural progression.

A HM might catch your eye on the first week, they might be funny, attractive, have an interesting sense of style, that you like. Maybe its someone who has a "story" right from the off.

By the end of week two you might find that you have more in common with another HM, or that the person that first caught your eye is actually an ass.

People usually settle into "favourites" after a month, once they become invested in the show. But as the house dynamics change, so do peoples opinions.

This year has been fairly simple for me.

In week 1, I was a dan fan, but that wore off as his bitchy side came out. I really disliked Gina when she came in. And I quite liked sallie. Yet by the time of the first eviction, I wanted sallie to go.

Since then Ive been a fan of dex and Gina, somewhat. Ive gone back and forth with callum. While dan is growing on me again. Charlie, who I barely noticed in the first couple of weeks, is becoming one of my favourites.

What I like about this group, compared to last year, is that there is no extreme divide. There is no us against them. This makes it very easy to like several HMs at once.

[Niamh.]

People changing their minds about housemates is par for the course because housemates behaviours are changing in there.

What I cannot stand is fans stealing the ideas of others peoples for a thread and so you end up with eight different threads about the same housemate and their behaviour. Cant people just add their opinion to the first original thread rather than either stealing that idea, or using the same idea and creating yet another thread?

It happened to me last night with Hazel word for word. Then by 12pm there has got to be eight diffent threads about the twins, the original I think was the blubbering brothers, same number about the arguement between Callum and Jackie, and someone started a really good thread about compassion in the house referring to Callum signing pumelling to Sam, and suddenly four more threads cropped up when the original was perfectly fine which has now been buried by all the other similar threads.
Theres no way I can be bothered to go through eight threads of the same subject matter. I think if someone has an original idea for a thread answer it dont bloody start another
one.
. Otherwise get an original idea or thougjt of your own.

lol bit OTT, people get carried away sometimes about stuff that happens on BB and sometimes similar threads pop up, alot of times it's because people think the same thing about a situation rather than just blatantly stealing others ideas :laugh:

[kate2013]

Not the way I read it last night, there was clearly orginal threads that got overshadowed by eight ones of the same content. If i can look to see if there is already a thread of that subject why cant others. If what your saying is true then theres absolutely no point in starting a thread. Because people would rather start them than read them to see if they already exist.

[-Sue-]

I like (and still do) jack & joe when they went in.. did like wolfy.. but overtime she changed from free spirit to free-the-spit! her whole personality changed so stopped liking her... those I think are the one 2-3 (depending on how you look at it) that I have liked this year :D

[Beso]

it's more about bb than the housemates for me, so i tend to like then dislike housemates.

[Niamh.]

Not the way I read it last night, there was clearly orginal threads that got overshadowed by eight ones of the same content. If i can look to see if there is already a thread of that subject why cant others. If what your saying is true then theres absolutely no point in starting a thread. Because people would rather start them than read them to see if they already exist.

Well, if you think that a thread is exactly the same as another then report and they can be merged

[Niamh.]

I like (and still do) jack & joe when they went in.. did like wolfy.. but overtime she changed from free spirit to free-the-spit! her whole personality changed so stopped liking her... those I think are the one 2-3 (depending on how you look at it) that I have liked this year :D

I like Jack and Joe too, I really don't get the hate for them :laugh:

[Raph]

I think Sam definitely looks up to Callum like a big brother, and Callum clearly has a genuine soft spot for him. It's nice as there are very few friendships this year. Luke A and Adam's developing friendship was one if the mist subtly enjoyable things last year. Not high drama and explosions, but a real mutual friendship developing over the weeks. In the early seasons lots of real friendships developed... but not any more.

What was absolutely disgusting... was Jackie trying to turn Sam against Callum! They were slatng him and Sam quite sweetly spoke up like "...I don't know what's so bad, I like him :(" and Jackie basically responded saying that's because he's young and naive, and if he was older and wiser like her he wouldn't like him. Sly! telling a young boy that "if he was more mature and wise" he would ditch a friend.

Yeah very well put. I really like their friendship and I agree with what's already be iterated in this thread, that they are probably the most genuine friendship in there and the two that are most likely to stay in touch after the show ends

[Kate!]

good thread, enjoyable read.

[Videostar]

I see people post this alot when someone changes their mind about who they like. Is it really fickleness or are these people more objective viewers and judge people by their actions in the house and from getting to know them better rather than stubbornly sticking by their chosen HM no matter what they say or do?

What do you think?

It's fickle if the reasons to stop supporting a HM are poor.

The reasons I've seen in the last day or two for some to stop supporting Dexter have been pathetic, one person in here even said they are now supporting Hazel instead of Dexter...which is insane.

Others who "claim" to have supported Dexter but now have gone off him never supported him in the first place, they are just attempting to start an anti Dexter bandwagon going.

[kate2013]

Thank you for the suggested solution it is more productive than the insult.
Still as to say in not quite the same way "opinions are like assholes everybodies got one."

[Niamh.]

Thank you for the suggested solution it is more productive than the insult.

The insult? How have I insulted you?

[Niamh.]

It's fickle if the reasons to stop supporting a HM are poor.

The reasons I've seen in the last day or two for some to stop supporting Dexter have been pathetic, one person in here even said they are now supporting Hazel instead of Dexter...which is insane.

Others who "claim" to have supported Dexter but now have gone off him never supported him in the first place, they are just attempting to start an anti Dexter bandwagon going.

lol why is that insane?

[user104658]

It's fickle if the reasons to stop supporting a HM are poor.

The reasons I've seen in the last day or two for some to stop supporting Dexter have been pathetic, one person in here even said they are now supporting Hazel instead of Dexter...which is insane.

Others who "claim" to have supported Dexter but now have gone off him never supported him in the first place, they are just attempting to start an anti Dexter bandwagon going.


Hiya!

In an insane world, the sane people will always seem crazy. I've even said that I've not abandonned Dexter, he's still up there, 2nd or 3rd (I'm starting to like Dan more, I initially couldn't stand him) and have even started the ever popular Hexter movement.

But, my reasons are sound! Dexter in the first weeks, and in the safehouse, was inspired. A real gem of a housemate, true entertainment. Then he came out and started the Charlie thing which is just awful. I don't want to see it, I can't be bothered with it, it's boring and it's his entire "plotline" right now. He's orchestrated it to be so but it was a bad judgement call, it's made him look stupid. Hazel called him on it, was blunt about it and observant, tried to help him out, and also triggered the "showstopper" of Callum vs Jackie. This used to be Dexters role. The observation, the savviness, the honesty and the ability to be a catalyst for good viewing. It's not an insane switch between the two... it's perfectly rational! They are very similar people, and she currently has the edge.

He just needs to realise the error of his ways, cut off the useless Charlie angle, and get on with some Hexter plotting.

[Niamh.]

Hiya!

In an insane world, the sane people will always seem crazy. I've even said that I've not abandonned Dexter, he's still up there, 2nd or 3rd (I'm starting to like Dan more, I initially couldn't stand him) and have even started the ever popular Hexter movement.

But, my reasons are sound! Dexter in the first weeks, and in the safehouse, was inspired. A real gem of a housemate, true entertainment. Then he came out and started the Charlie thing which is just awful. I don't want to see it, I can't be bothered with it, it's boring and it's his entire "plotline" right now. He's orchestrated it to be so but it was a bad judgement call, it's made him look stupid. Hazel called him on it, was blunt about it and observant, tried to help him out, and also triggered the "showstopper" of Callum vs Jackie. This used to be Dexters role. The observation, the savviness, the honesty and the ability to be a catalyst for good viewing. It's not an insane switch between the two... it's perfectly rational! They are very similar people, and she currently has the edge.

He just needs to realise the error of his ways, cut off the useless Charlie angle, and get on with some Hexter plotting.

They're great observations actually and I can't understand anyone accusing you of being fickle when you clearly have proper reasons for that choice. I think Hazel and Dexter are actually very similar in some respects but the problem is people alot of times only seem to like those qualities in male HMs and not female for some reason

[user104658]

They're great observations actually and I can't understand anyone accusing you of being fickle when you clearly have proper reasons for that choice. I think Hazel and Dexter are actually very similar in some respects but the problem is people alot of times only seem to like those qualities in male HMs and not female for some reason


It's a common double standard... men are "cheeky" where women are "bitchy", a man luring away a women from her boyfriend is a "player" where a female doing the same is a "homewrecker" - on the flipside, a girl being lured away from her boyfriend by said player is a "slut", whereas a man lured into cheating by a homewrecking woman is a powerless victim... it's crazy.

[Niamh.]

It's a common double standard... men are "cheeky" where women are "bitchy", a man luring away a women from her boyfriend is a "player" where a female doing the same is a "homewrecker" - on the flipside, a girl being lured away from her boyfriend by said player is a "slut", whereas a man lured into cheating by a homewrecking woman is a powerless victim... it's crazy.

Yeah I agree with that and to add, people love the fact that Dexter is a game player but hate that Hazel is.

Dexter starts an argument, he's an entertainer game player, Hazel does, she's a nasty s**t stirrer

[user104658]

Yeah I agree with that and to add, people love the fact that Dexter is a game player but hate that Hazel is.

Dexter starts an argument, he's an entertainer game player, Hazel does, she's a nasty s**t stirrer

It is also partly because he's quite unashamed and has openly admitted it from the beginning. Seemed baffling at first but has worked well for him. If hazel had "let the audience in on it" and been as she was in her audition VT in the diary room. I think she would have done better... but these days theyre afraid it'll get played to the house. and rightly so.

It still woukdnt have worked as well for her as for dexter, though. It's worked well for a few men in the past but never for women.

[Withano]

I think its easy to find fault in the ones you dislike and its easy to find brilliance in the ones you already like, but if anybody was to do the opposite and change their favourite, all that would show to me is that they are watching the show objectively and in my opinion, correctly.

[kate2013]

I think Dan will win this. His flapping and interogating was annoying regarding Wolfy, but his opinions appear to be right. Obviously they are spending 24/7 with eachother.

I think Dexter and Gina will come in second and third, although Dexter is trying to fit in at the moment, his far better when he stands alone and doesnt seek to be liked.

Still its all subject to change, seeing the exchange between Callum and Sam pushed Callum up in my estimations right up until he got stuck on the word Soar.

Sams a dark horse. I like him, he helps out, he does miss out on conversations because if his hearing, not saying his the most entertaining but the louder characters are more at risk of causes offense. so yeah opinions can change just watching one episode.

[Seanbon]

I think sticking determinedly to one housemate shows far less integrity, personally. Or rallying against one and making everything they do "evil" whilst ignoring the same actions in others or applauding them - e.g. Gina fans vilifying Hazel for pot stirring. Madness. Gina has had a bigger spoon than any of them and has done it with LESS regard for anyone but herself.

Using Gina as an example of people just sticking, too: I found her entertaining in the safehouse. Certainly not "a good person", but fun. WHAT has she done since then? Absolutely nothing. She's shown everything she's got to show and will be an utter bore until the end now, but still has massive support for no apparent reason. Like I said, it's not even like she's a nice person. She'd not bother to muster up a spit if you were on fire, darling.

I also agree that I tend to side with people when they're being attacked. Hazel might stir and be quite shrewd but I honestly think she's being genuine 70% of the time. She gets slated every time she speaks. it's not even just to support an underdog, the attacks and ridiculous claims often make me observe that person more closely and objectively and then I often find plenty to like.People seem to just make up their mind, and then not give people a chance. THAT is fickle... and bad for the show... because good characters go! Hazel has more to bring now than Gina but Gina will be there until the end.
The abuse that Hazel is receiving is way OTT,and the love for Gina is ridiculous. When she entered the house she said she was struggling to survive on a £10k a month handout from her Mum,whilst living in some plush hotel,being waited on hand and foot! She has not changed one iota,and the change of attitude from the viewers is bamboozling,to say the least!?!?!

[CaudleHalbard]

Gina is now seen as broke and living in a council flat with her mum.

That's what may have changed attitudes a bit.

[Seanbon]

I think Sam definitely looks up to Callum like a big brother, and Callum clearly has a genuine soft spot for him. It's nice as there are very few friendships this year. Luke A and Adam's developing friendship was one if the mist subtly enjoyable things last year. Not high drama and explosions, but a real mutual friendship developing over the weeks. In the early seasons lots of real friendships developed... but not any more.

What was absolutely disgusting... was Jackie trying to turn Sam against Callum! They were slatng him and Sam quite sweetly spoke up like "...I don't know what's so bad, I like him :(" and Jackie basically responded saying that's because he's young and naive, and if he was older and wiser like her he wouldn't like him. Sly! telling a young boy that "if he was more mature and wise" he would ditch a friend.
Very nasty of Jackie! She really has it bad against Callum,when she'd rather Dexter to him. I think it's hilarious that most people can't accept that someone might actually be nice. Not sure how genuine Callum is,but it would be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt!?! I blame Jeremy Kyle,and his ilk,for most peoples cynicism.There are one or two nice people out there!! Or am I naive??

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

I understand that people go off housemates, but one thing that annoys me is when another one of their favourites nominates their favourite, and they go from loving them to hating them :s

[Seanbon]

It's a common double standard... men are "cheeky" where women are "bitchy", a man luring away a women from her boyfriend is a "player" where a female doing the same is a "homewrecker" - on the flipside, a girl being lured away from her boyfriend by said player is a "slut", whereas a man lured into cheating by a homewrecking woman is a powerless victim... it's crazy.
Couldn't agree more! And the double standards are promoted by women,which is bewildering!?!

[Seanbon]

Gina is now seen as broke and living in a council flat with her mum.

That's what may have changed attitudes a bit.
But which is the true story?

[anne666]

:laugh3:http://i.imgur.com/VKIr5Rk.gif

:dance:Love it ! Objectivity for me.

[Gillian-73]

I see people post this alot when someone changes their mind about who they like. Is it really fickleness or are these people more objective viewers and judge people by their actions in the house and from getting to know them better rather than stubbornly sticking by their chosen HM no matter what they say or do?

What do you think?

I agree with you. I have favourires but I won't pretend they do no wrong just because they're my favourite and I won't stop liking another housemate just because they don't get on with my favourite. I love Dexter but i've gone off him abit lately. Some would say I'm a turncoat, I say I recognise peoples flaws whether I like them or not. Aaron for example, my fave ever, I many a time didn't like something he did or said and I had no problem saying so.