Mirror article on Channel 5 finally beating Channel 4 in the ratings

[daniel-lewis-1985]

"It's panic stations after a host of disastrous shows became instant flops and Channel 5 inched ahead in the ratings war."

"the under-performing execs need to stop droning on about their “unique remit” and start screening stuff the punters want to watch..."

"the catastrophically unsuccessful Mating Season and all the other dreary dross that can’t even pull in a million viewers"

"Tell you what would stop the rot... Big Brother. Which the idiots *decided had run its course. And which is now the cornerstone of Channel 5’s soaring fortunes. D’oh!"




Full article below:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-reviews/channel-4-struggling-forget-gok-2096418

[Marsh.]

Either way they were right to end BB. It needed at least a rest.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Either way they were right to end BB. It needed at least a rest.

I don't think it did need a rest. I think Channel 4 deliberately ran the show into the ground in hopes no channel would dare pick it up after they axed it.
Channel 4 have reaped what they sowed.

[arista]

I don't think it did need a rest. I think Channel 4 deliberately ran the show into the ground in hopes no channel would dare pick it up after they axed it.
Channel 4 have reaped what they sowed.


Bang On Right

[Sawyer]

Think back to the day we found out it had been axed and how we were feeling. I think we can safely say we, and channel 5, have had the last laugh.

[Headie]

They'll be begging to take it back when Channel 5 drop it (which hopefully won't be anytime soon)

[CaudleHalbard]

Think back to the day we found out it had been axed and how we were feeling. I think we can safely say we, and channel 5, have had the last laugh.

Absolutely. Humiliation for C4.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I don't think it did need a rest. I think Channel 4 deliberately ran the show into the ground in hopes no channel would dare pick it up after they axed it.
Channel 4 have reaped what they sowed.

Yeah they didn't expect it to be picked up by any major channel so when Channel 5 got it I don't think they were to worried at first as its allways been seen as a flop channel.

I think they finally realised it was going to be big competition for them though with all the media attention leading up to CBB8.

This was backed up by the bitter snipe from them on launch night when a continuity announcer introduced Twilight by saying: ‘Resurrecting the deceased might be what some channels like to do on summer evenings, but here on Channel 4, we prefer the undead.’

Channel 5 went on to have over 5 million viewers and they got about 1 million if less.

Now Channel 5 are beating the Channel 4 across the board.

Shame

[Sawyer]

They'll be begging to take it back when Channel 5 drop it (which hopefully won't be anytime soon)

They will have the opportunity to bid for it when the contract is up for renewal, just like itv did in 2006, which drove the price up for channel 4 to an over inflated £170 million.. By the end of the contract in 2010 it was only worth half that. Endemol always used to give channel 4 first dibs on the contract. The bottom line is, channel 4 may, and can bid and poach it from channel 5. It's left a huge hole in the programming that they've failed to successfully fill.

[*mazedsalv**]

Yeah they didn't expect it to be picked up by any major channel so when Channel 5 got it I don't think they were to worried at first as its allways been seen as a flop channel.

I think they finally realised it was going to be big competition for them though with all the media attention leading up to CBB8.

This was backed up by the bitter snipe from them on launch night when a continuity announcer introduced Twilight by saying: ‘Resurrecting the deceased might be what some channels like to do on summer evenings, but here on Channel 4, we prefer the undead.’

Channel 5 went on to have over 5 million viewers and they got about 1 million if less.

Now Channel 5 are beating the Channel 4 across the board.

Shame

That quote before Twilight made me mad, but us/Ch5 got the last laugh :laugh:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Im fully routing for Channel 5 to become the next Channel 4 which is looking likely.

Allways support the underdog lol.

[billy123]

Who gives a **** about c4? seriously its not a team sport.
bb costs about about ten times as much to air as anything c4 show does it get ten times the viewing figures?

Be careful about slagging off other channels bb might need them one day.

The fact c5 beat c4 in the ratings for a few weeks a year wont worry c4.

[Headie]

They will have the opportunity to bid for it when the contract is up for renewal, just like itv did in 2006, which drove the price up for channel 4 to an over inflated £170 million.. By the end of the contract in 2010 it was only worth half that. Endemol always used to give channel 4 first dibs on the contract. The bottom line is, channel 4 may, and can bid and poach it from channel 5. It's left a huge hole in the programming that they've failed to successfully fill.

ITV bid for Big Brother in 2006? Wow, I did not know this.

I can see Channel 4 bidding for it but Channel 5 ultimately sustaining the rights to it and Channel 4 will probably not get it.

Can someone explain the contract renewal process to me? Is it the highest bidder wins or something? And what if there is only 1 bidder?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Who gives a **** about c4? seriously its not a team sport.
bb costs about about ten times as much to air as anything c4 show does it get ten times the viewing figures?

Be careful about slagging off other channels bb might need them one day.

The fact c5 beat c4 in the ratings for a few weeks a year wont worry c4.

Channel 5 have overtaken the whole channel in audience share which has boosted ratings across other Channel 5 programmes outside of Big Brother.

Channel 5' home grown shows are also beating Channel 4 so im not just talking BB.

You clearly arent interested in the topic so no need for you to put others down who are.
So yeah I give a ****.

[Sawyer]

ITV bid for Big Brother in 2006? Wow, I did not know this.

I can see Channel 4 bidding for it but Channel 5 ultimately sustaining the rights to it and Channel 4 will probably not get it.

Can someone explain the contract renewal process to me? Is it the highest bidder wins or something? And what if there is only 1 bidder?

Endemol will have an asking price, and will enter negotiations about six months before the contract is up. If one channel matches it then fine, but if another channel shows interest in it they will have to bid more than the previous offer If no one matches the asking offer or no one shows any interest, then it doesn't sell. Just like a normal auction.

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/news/a35673/report-itv-in-talks-to-poach-big-brother.html

]Published Tuesday, Aug 8 2006, 02:38 BST


ITV has begun early talks with Endemol with a view to poaching Big Brother from Channel 4, according to the Media Guardian.

C4 has broadcast the popular reality series for the last six years but has no long-term contract in place to keep the show with the network on an exclusive basis.

The current two-year contract expires after the eighth series ends next summer. Negotiations on a new deal will begin later this year.

A source told the 'paper that ITV's director of television Simon Shaps was prepared to put up an "almighty fight" to take the show.

"Big Brother is with Channel 4 at the moment and Endemol is quite happy with them but technically it has no home after next year," the source is quoted as saying. "When it comes to pure financial muscle, ITV could probably beat Channel 4."

[CaudleHalbard]

Endemol will have an asking price, and will enter negotiations about six months before the contract is up. If one channel matches it then fine, but if another channel shows interest in it they will have to bid more than the previous offer If no one matches the asking offer or no one shows any interest, then it doesn't sell. Just like a normal auction.

So BBC could get it - in theory? ;)

[Gstar]

I thought the mirror didn't care about big brother :idc:

[Sawyer]

So BBC could get it - in theory? ;)

In theory, yes, anyone can bid for it.

[billy123]

Channel 5 have overtaken the whole channel in audience share which has boosted ratings across other Channel 5 programmes outside of Big Brother.

Channel 5' home grown shows are also beating Channel 4 so im not just talking BB.

You clearly arent interested in the topic so no need for you to put others down who are.
So yeah I give a ****.wtf who did i put down? i expressed an opinion which i have every right to do even if you dont like it.
I just think its short sighted and pointless to put down another channel that did so much for bb is that so strange?
What are people going to do if it moves to dave? start slagging off c5?

It just seems pointless and childish to me.

[Headie]

Endemol will have an asking price, and will enter negotiations about six months before the contract is up. If one channel matches it then fine, but if another channel shows interest in it they will have to bid more than the previous offer If no one matches the asking offer or no one shows any interest, then it doesn't sell. Just like a normal auction.

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/news/a35673/report-itv-in-talks-to-poach-big-brother.html

]Published Tuesday, Aug 8 2006, 02:38 BST


ITV has begun early talks with Endemol with a view to poaching Big Brother from Channel 4, according to the Media Guardian.

C4 has broadcast the popular reality series for the last six years but has no long-term contract in place to keep the show with the network on an exclusive basis.

The current two-year contract expires after the eighth series ends next summer. Negotiations on a new deal will begin later this year.

A source told the 'paper that ITV's director of television Simon Shaps was prepared to put up an "almighty fight" to take the show.

"Big Brother is with Channel 4 at the moment and Endemol is quite happy with them but technically it has no home after next year," the source is quoted as saying. "When it comes to pure financial muscle, ITV could probably beat Channel 4."

Ah ok, thanks :)

So as it stands, there's a good possibility that Channel 4 will bid for Big Brother next year? (but Channel 5 will most likely get it?)

[Sawyer]

Ah ok, thanks :)

So as it stands, there's a good possibility that Channel 4 will bid for Big Brother next year? (but Channel 5 will most likely get it?)

I personally think channel 4 would be too stubbourn to admit defeat by taking it back, but they would certainly have the financial muscle to do it, whether they do or not, I have no idea.

[Patrick]

Either way they were right to end BB. It needed at least a rest.

It hardly got a rest?

It was shoved back on air in no time and was more overkilled than before - because of C5's love of CBB.

It should of relaunched in 2012.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

wtf who did i put down? i expressed an opinion which i have every right to do even if you dont like it.
I just think its short sighted and pointless to put down another channel that did so much for bb is that so strange?
What are people going to do if it moves to dave? start slagging off c5?

It just seems pointless and childish to me.

You said "who gives a ****".

Bit rude mate.

Channel 4 did great with BB but the reason fans are so pissed off with them as a Channel overall is the fact they run BB into the ground on purpose.

They wanted to get rid of it because they couldn't take the controvercy/Ofcom crew anymore.

They basically waved their white flag and gave up then were bitter when it became succesfull for Channel 5.

[Gstar]

I can't wait until the bidding starts, sounds quite exciting

[CaudleHalbard]

I just hope it doesn't go to Sky. I don't have Sky and don't want it either.

[billy123]

You said "who gives a ****".

Bit rude mate.

Channel 4 did great with BB but the reason fans are so pissed off with them as a Channel overall is the fact they run BB into the ground on purpose.

They wanted to get rid of it because they couldn't take the controvercy/Ofcom crew anymore.

They basically waved their white flag and gave up then were bitter when it became succesfull for Channel 5.first bold: Nope i said who gives a **** about c4. (why try and misquote me?)
second bold: what makes you think they were bitter? they got rid for a reason cost v benefit.

[Marsh.]

It hardly got a rest?

It was shoved back on air in no time and was more overkilled than before - because of C5's love of CBB.

It should of relaunched in 2012.

:conf: I know that.

I'm saying channel 4 had the right idea to end it. It wasn't their problem channel 5 put it back on again.

[Craiggy]

Rebidding? Why is the show going up for tender again?

[Marsh.]

Rebidding? Why is the show going up for tender again?

Only at the end of next year. I think.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

first bold: Nope i said who gives a **** about c4. (why try and misquote me?)
second bold: what makes you think they were bitter? they got rid for a reason cost v benefit.

The bitter snipe from them on launch night when a continuity announcer introduced Twilight by saying: ‘Resurrecting the deceased might be what some channels like to do on summer evenings, but here on Channel 4, we prefer the undead.’

[LikeABoatOnWater]

It will stay on channel 5 until they don't want it anymore.

[Marsh.]

I don't think it did need a rest. I think Channel 4 deliberately ran the show into the ground in hopes no channel would dare pick it up after they axed it.
Channel 4 have reaped what they sowed.

Whether they did or they didn't, after 11 years the format needed a breather.

[Marsh.]

The bitter snipe from them on launch night when a continuity announcer introduced Twilight by saying: ‘Resurrecting the deceased might be what some channels like to do on summer evenings, but here on Channel 4, we prefer the undead.’

How dare they make light of it and crack a joke. :hugesmile:

[jackc1806]

If Jay Hunt is in charge C4 won't touch it with a barge pole. She is a stubborn woman, openly anti BB and she would rather drive the channel into the ground than put a bid in. If there is a change in controller (which they really need) they might put a bid in however I would guess if C5 want it they will get it.

[Samm]

I just find it funny as soon as C4 axe Big brother the ratings go down and C5 ratings go up

[alex_front2]

We should do a poll.

BB on C5 or go back to C4.

There are things about C5 that I hate (ie it's over-formatted and too many scenarios are contrived) plus lack of diversity. Series 10 was really diverse looking back.

However, C4 did run it into the ground by the time series 11 rocked up

[aman201]

I hated BB at the end of C4's reign, BB10 and BB11 were horrid.

I'm glad they got rid.

C5 turned me into a BB fan again.