Did Charlie stab Callum in the back?

[GiRTh]

By nominating him?

[Vanessa]

By nominating him?

No, they all have to nominate there.

[Niamh.]

No, I don't think so, I don't see why she owes him anything just because he fancies her

[Niamh.]

there's already a thread on this. :suspect:

This is a Poll

[GiRTh]

I knew it would be Niamh. :joker:

[GiRTh]

This is a PollThis.

[Vanessa]

This is a Poll

Yeah, sorry. I didn't see the poll. :blush2:

[Niamh.]

I knew it would be Niamh. :joker:

What are you implying young man? :hmph:

[Kizzy]

Yes most certainly she has kept him dangling like a puppet for too long, so glad he knows what a gameplayer she is now.

[Vanessa]

This.

It was a genuine mistake.

[smudgie]

Yes. All part of the game to her though.

[Tom4784]

No, he is no friend of hers and she doesn't owe him anything which was made apparent by his emotional blackmail last night. He's a nasty little man.

[Jemal]

Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.

[Gusto Brunt]

Not only did she stab him in the back, but she also twisted the knife.

[Vanessa]

No, he is no friend of hers and she doesn't owe him anything which was made apparent by his emotional blackmail last night. He's a nasty little man.

I was shocked watching the live feed. He acts like Charlie belongs to him and has to do everything he says. Possessive much? :shocked:

[GiRTh]

No, I don't think so, I don't see why she owes him anything just because he fancies herI have to disagree. Callum is a tool; lets get that out there and agree on it but, he had a point when she tried to explain her nomination for......what was it again. ...What he did with the tanning lady? Definitely the worse excuse of all time . And Sam behaved the same way but she didnt nominate him.

Also when he asked her if she had a better connection with Sophie or Sam and she couldnt answer. LOL Silly girl has been found out.

Poor Callum (and Charlie) The game plans are falling apart. :joker:

[Withano]

She dislikes him but he likes her, theres nothing to discuss. She had to nominate the 2 she dislikes most

[GiRTh]

No, they all have to nominate there.Is that supposed to be funny?

[Jemal]

You can't keep saying you adore someone and then you nom them?
That's backstabbing. She knows what she is doing tho.
You nominate someone you want out of the process..

[CaudleHalbard]

Charlie is game playing, like the rest of them.

BB is a game show, after all. It is not real life.

[Pink Pegasus]

Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.


:worship:

Spot on. Sam said very similar last night. He reckoned she would have nominated dexter if he had been in Callum's position in the lineup. Think Sam sees through her. I hope Callum survives and nominates Charlie next week in a face to face nom ideally.

[Vanessa]

Is that supposed to be funny?

She has the right to nominate who she wants. You can disgree with me if you like, i don't mind. :spin:

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.

Charlie's Decision was not very calculating, Charlie has nominated Callum for 3 weeks in a row..... before any poll results, she don't owe him anything because when a girls says no it means no, everyone saw live feed last night the emotional blackmail was being played out by only Callum waht a loser stalekr psycho that Callum is he makes me sick....

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

:worship:

Spot on. Sam said very similar last night. He reckoned she would have nominated dexter if he had been in Callum's position in the lineup. Think Sam sees through her. I hope Callum survives and nominates Charlie next week in a face to face nom ideally.

oh so i suppose Charlie nominated Callum the 2 weeks before as well due to the poll results that never existed? :joker:

[GiRTh]

She has the right to nominate who she wants. You can disgree with me if you like, i don't mind. :spin:Of course she has the right to nominate who she want. Who said she doesnt? But He made a few good points in his 'You've lost a fan' speech. Are you gonna discuss that or continue to state the obvious?

[Vanessa]

Of course she has the right to nominate who she want. Who said she doesnt? But He made a few good points in his 'You've lost a fan' speech. Are you gonna discuss that or continue to state the obvious?

I told you my opinion. I think he did the right thing. She nominated him, because he makes her feel uncomfortable. Is that good enough for you? :spin:

[Josy]

No, but it was sly of her to do it.

[Niamh.]

Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.

I'm going to watch the live feed in a minute so I'll wait till I've seen it to reply to you properly :love:

[Livia]

Yes she did stab him in the back. I'm not a fan of either of them, but I notice Charlie still wants to hug him and hang all over him. And all the stuff she told him that she'd said in the diary room was a complete fabrication... BB needs to play in the full nominations and not just the edited highlights.

What made me laugh most was sleazy Dexter earwigging the whole conversation between Charlie and Callum. He's so awful...

[the truth]

I sort of love Charlie but she should have told him about these issues over the past 6 weeks.....that business of him finishes her sentences is true but why didn't she tell him about it rather than keep it as an excuse to nominate.....major game playing as she thinks shes picking off the weaker players.....she will gravitate more to dexter and Samson now she knows theyre popular and even gina is being brown nosed a bit

[GiRTh]

I told you my opinion. I think he did the right thing. She nominated him, because he makes her feel uncomfortable. Is that good enough for you? :spin:
Good enough for me? What are you talking about? Are you gonna discuss the topic or state the obvious?

[Northern Monkey]

Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.

This 100%

[Jemal]

I'm going to watch the live feed in a minute so I'll wait till I've seen it to reply to you properly :love:

Alright :thumbs2:

[the truth]

:worship:

Spot on. Sam said very similar last night. He reckoned she would have nominated dexter if he had been in Callum's position in the lineup. Think Sam sees through her. I hope Callum survives and nominates Charlie next week in a face to face nom ideally.

sams a very bright boy

[Kizzy]

She's trying desperately to backtrack, she tries to talk her way out of every situation except he was right they were close and he's right to feel played.

[Vanessa]

Good enough for me? What are you talking about? Are you gonna discuss the topic or state the obvious?

No, she did not stab him in the back. She chose him, because he annoys her and makes her feel uneasy. She owes him nothing. And stop picking on me by the way.

[GiRTh]

What are you implying young man? :hmph:Nothing. :blush:

[Ellen]

Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.

Agree with this :thumbs:

[cyberwar]

Yes, because she lets him stroke and massage her, and keeps hugging him. She has been sending mixed messages to him.

[karezza]

No. She doesn't like Callum - he makes her skin crawl.

[GiRTh]

Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.Agreed. I felt sorry for the two of them on LF last night. It felt like the end of something to see them drift apart like they did last night- obviously there was nothing there to start with but the way they played it was so sad. I hope Callum nominates Charlie next week but I think he still thinks he's got a chance.

[Josy]

No. She doesn't like Callum - he makes her skin crawl.

I doubt that very much, if someone makes your skin crawl you don't keep getting close, cuddling them etc.

[Josy]

Right give it a rest you 2 or I'm banning both of you, I have already removed a few posts in here.

[Tozzie]

don't know if I'd say she stabbed him in the back, she doesn't owe him anything I don't think. I do think she has lead both him and Dexter on but if I were her I think I would have had to nominate Callum too, he's far too intense for me. Is she gameplaying? So what if she is, its a game that is there to be played, its not real life and will be all over very soon

[Kizzy]

No, but it was sly of her to do it.

It was and she talks for England trying to justify everything she does, this isn't just one incident either ... her reaction to the 'aggressive' comment, the daley thing, upsetting gina on several occasions... she spews copious amounts of word vomit and flips every situation so that she becomes the injured party. :conf:

[SurfersCreed]

4 times.... and then twisted the knife for good measure.

[Kris]

She knows she stabbed him in the back which is why she started trying to cover her tracks the second she saw it come up saying they only show the bad quips and nothing good. She sucked up while trying to explain herself all the while saying how she adored him. She acted bothered when he wouldn't hug her back...

And then the second he went off to the diary room she twisted the knife by going straight to Dexter to discuss the conversation she had just had with Callum.

Absolute shame any of them think they might have a real friendship with the likes of her.

[Pink Pegasus]

oh so i suppose Charlie nominated Callum the 2 weeks before as well due to the poll results that never existed? :joker:


That's a fair point actually. She has nommed him without knowing those poll results. I remember at the time thinking though that she was maybe just jumping on the bandwagon with the rest of the house as he seemed to be very unpopular and he was just an easy nom to give.

[She nominated Dexter twice at the start too probably until she copped the public would keep saving him. I think she copped that long before a lot of the housemates tbh because she suddenly 'loved' Dex and Gina after they had been saved repeatedly.]

I thought this way because she still always remained very friendly with him so it just seemed like a cop out to be nominating a supposed friend, and felt she just did it because he was maybe an easy target. I wasn't aware of how much she genuinely seems to dislike him.



I do think the public popularity polls have had an effect though. They are now on the final stretch of the gameshow - next week is the quarter-finals so the real players should be upping their game now.
Gina the girl who was up every single week of the show was voted public's most popular and all of a sudden did not receive one single nomination this week.

Even if I'm wrong about her voting being anything to do with lineup, which I could be. I still think she plays him. I've wrote in another thread already about why I feel this way. It's mainly to with her always telling him how much she adores him and their chats when really she seems to actually dislike him a lot. It's one thing to tell him she is not interested romantically which is fair enough, but if she dislikes him so much as a person that she repeatedly nominates him and doesn't want to stay in contact with him outside, then why keep bloody saying things like , "i love you to pieces', and giving him really long close cuddles, and 'i adore our chats'. Just bugs me. :mad:

[karezza]

I doubt that very much, if someone makes your skin crawl you don't keep getting close, cuddling them etc.

Dexter said to Hazel a couple of days ago that Charlie said Callum makes her skin crawl.

[Josy]

Dexter said to Hazel a couple of days ago that Charlie said Callum makes her skin crawl.

Which just proves she's 2 faced and trying to keep both him and Callum sweet.

She's playing both of them like a fiddle to get herself further in the game.

[CaudleHalbard]

Dexter said to Hazel a couple of days ago that Charlie said Callum makes her skin crawl.

Trash-talking? Lol! ;)

[Vanessa]

Which just proves she's 2 faced and trying to keep both him and Callum sweet.

She's playing both of them like a fiddle to get herself further in the game.

I think she does like Dexter. He treats her with respect and they have things in common.

[Kris]

Dexter said to Hazel a couple of days ago that Charlie said Callum makes her skin crawl.

Right, because Dexter said it it must be true then?

Did we hear her say it?

[Niamh.]

Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lol

[Miranda123]

I think she does like Dexter. He treats her with respect and they have things in common.

Im sure Jackie Travers will be glad to know he wants to bed her on the outside

Maybe he could do mother and daughter as they both seem to like him so much

Not sure how that would go with a guy who has the body of a 10yr old boy but if it gets Charlie a record contract lol

[Vanessa]

Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lol

Me too. Who the hell does he think he is? It's almost like she has to ask him permission to do anythting. :crazy:

[GiRTh]

Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lolTo be fair, iIn that convo they were both trying to look like the victim. Callum took it way too far, as usual, and came off as creepy but Charlie tries to guilt Callum a few times

[Niamh.]

To be fair, iIn that convo they were both trying to look like the victim. Callum took it way too far, as usual, and came off as creepy but Charlie tries to guilt Callum a few times

I'm not all the way through it yet

[Jemal]

I'm not all the way through it yet

Lmao Niamh. Watch all of it first babe.
Before you slate coach.

[GiRTh]

I'm not all the way through it yetIts quite compelling yet funny in equal measures. :joker:

[Miranda123]

Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lol

Which is exactly how she should have dealt with it in the first place, once she realised that she no longer wanted to lay all over him getting massaged (for the first 3 weeks)
Instead she goes into her long inane chats about what she feels and none of it is ever clear and just leaves the situation stewing
Callum is an obsessive idiot, but if she had given him the clear brush off in the beginning, instead of being worried about him putting her up, this would all be old news by now

She is a player and I dont like her

As for her liking Dexter, if you think Callum is creepy, OMG Dexter has a childs body with a mans head on it, yuk, creepy & grotesque. I have two teenage sons and that would just seem very very wrong

Like sleeping with a munckin, its just something you should never do

[Lister of Smeg]

Niamh read this please. When they were talking last night she kept on saying i adore you, I find comfort in you. Etc etc. she always seeks callum out. "I love your hugs and our chats" they have been getting close all week. And she decides to tell callum because they are not as close as other people in the house she nommed him and also he fustrates her. Im sorry but if anyone on this forum thinks sophie/Sam are closer to Charlie than callum then im done. Her decision is very calculated if callum was in 3rd and dexter was in 7th or 8th she would not of nommed callum. I GAURANTEE.

She has nominated Callum the last 3 times saying she nom'd him purely because of the poll is a weak argument.

[Josy]

I think she does like Dexter. He treats her with respect and they have things in common.

I think she has no interest in Dexter at all and she will never go near him or Callum when they leave the house.

[Niamh.]

Lmao Niamh. Watch all of it first babe.
Before you slate coach.

alright alright :laugh:

Its quite compelling yet funny in equal measures. :joker:

aaarrrgghhh why did they cut the bit about the Tanning girls???

[Niamh.]

I think she has no interest in Dexter at all and she will never go near him or Callum when they leave the house.

This X a billion

[CaudleHalbard]

This X a billion

+1 :D

[GiRTh]

+1 :D+2

[Jemal]

+2

-1

[Kizzy]

She will... She is trying to break back into showbiz of course she will be stuck to him like her 'pagent mom' wants her to be, for the media attention and the contacts dexter has ... but not for any romantic of friendship reason.

[Pink Pegasus]

I think she has no interest in Dexter at all and she will never go near him or Callum when they leave the house.

I agree, except she will see Dexter for awhile - just long enough to suss if he really does have contacts who might help her get a record deal or if he really is rich and could show her a good time and get her publicity in the process.

Sorry I'm in a very cynical mood today. :p

[CaudleHalbard]

I agree, except she will see Dexter for awhile - just long enough to suss if he really does have contacts who might help her get a record deal or if he really is rich

That shouldn't take more than a hour or two once she's left the house.

Lol! :D

[Pink Pegasus]

That shouldn't take more than a hour or two once she's left the house.

Lol! :D

True.:laugh:

[DanaC]

She had every right to nominate him. He has no 'right' to her loyalty. She has told him countless times that she isn't interested in him in a romantic way.

But why not give that as the reason for nomination?

he has no right to expect her not to nominate him because of some romatic attachment, or because he has any rights at all.

He does, however have the right to feel betrayed.

As much as she has pushed him away, she pulled him towards. To his face, she says she is not interested in romance, but at the same time continually tells him she values supprt and companionship in the house. As much as it frustrates her that he jumps in to the end of her sentence and puts words into his mouth, she nevertheless seeks him out for deep conversations and tells him that she loves them. As much as she may dislike his wandering hands overstepping the boundaries of her personal space, she nevertheless gives every impression of enjoying his massages.

It is absolutely her right to set those personal boundaries in such a way that she is comfortable. She has every right to say this far and no further and expect that to be listened to. That she enjoys his massages sometimes does not mean she has to enjoy his caresses at all times. In giving permission to put his hands on her once, she has not given blanket permission thereafter.

But: as everybody in that house, including her, have identified, Callum does not seem to read social situations well. It cannot be anything but clear to her that with this man the signals have to be absolutely clear. Instead, she has sent mixed signals in all sorts of ways. She has been very clear that she doesn't have any romantic interest in him, but she has muddied the water when it comes to setting the parameters of their interactions and the extent or depth of the friendship that may be possible between them.

She has also consistently played with the fact that Callum and Dex see themselves as rivals for her affection. In her defence, a lot of that seems to be whilst drunk, but it heightens the situation.

Intentionally or not she has played with both of their affections. She clearly finds it frustrating and thrilling in equal measure that both men are courting her and combating each other for her attention.

What she has done isn't so terrible. She, like most of the people in the house, is young and still figuring out who she is. Being adored is a powerful thin and I cannot truly say as a young woman I wouldn't have been slightly thrilled by the idea of it, if not the actuality. But this is leading her to send mixed signals. And for someone like Callum that is clearly a very confusing thing.

So: whilst she had every right to nominate him, and he has no right to assume that she won't, it is still a betrayal of someone whose affections she has at times delighted in, and who has done her no harm. She could have talked to him in more open and frank terms about him touching her, and invading her personal space. She could have refused the massages and cuddles and tried to forge a less physically charged friendship. She could have steered the conversation away from herself during his stints as self-appointed Charlie counsellor, for example, by turning the questions to him. She could have asked him questions about his life, about how he felt, about his experiences. She could have steered the conversations towards other interests, lightened the tone.

Callum's confusion, and I really think it is confusion, was easily avoided. But it has been useful to her. Whatever else he is, Callum has been her supporter. And she has called on that support many times.

Had these been face to face nominations I very much doubt Callum would have been one of her choices.

[Niamh.]

Great post Dana, you have swayed me a bit I have to say

[GiRTh]

-1:joker:

[Miranda123]

Yes most certainly she has kept him dangling like a puppet for too long, so glad he knows what a gameplayer she is now.

I dislike her intently now, she has had a bye to the final few weeks due to the fact that she kept up two relationships, now she thinks she doesnt need Callum anymore, she cuts him loose

I would love her to get kicked out before final night but Im running out of evictions for people I dont like lol

Only 4 weeks to go and I hate 5 lol

[Miranda123]

She had every right to nominate him. He has no 'right' to her loyalty. She has told him countless times that she isn't interested in him in a romantic way.

But why not give that as the reason for nomination?

he has no right to expect her not to nominate him because of some romatic attachment, or because he has any rights at all.

He does, however have the right to feel betrayed.

As much as she has pushed him away, she pulled him towards. To his face, she says she is not interested in romance, but at the same time continually tells him she values supprt and companionship in the house. As much as it frustrates her that he jumps in to the end of her sentence and puts words into his mouth, she nevertheless seeks him out for deep conversations and tells him that she loves them. As much as she may dislike his wandering hands overstepping the boundaries of her personal space, she nevertheless gives every impression of enjoying his massages.

It is absolutely her right to set those personal boundaries in such a way that she is comfortable. She has every right to say this far and no further and expect that to be listened to. That she enjoys his massages sometimes does not mean she has to enjoy his caresses at all times. In giving permission to put his hands on her once, she has not given blanket permission thereafter.

But: as everybody in that house, including her, have identified, Callum does not seem to read social situations well. It cannot be anything but clear to her that with this man the signals have to be absolutely clear. Instead, she has sent mixed signals in all sorts of ways. She has been very clear that she doesn't have any romantic interest in him, but she has muddied the water when it comes to setting the parameters of their interactions and the extent or depth of the friendship that may be possible between them.

She has also consistently played with the fact that Callum and Dex see themselves as rivals for her affection. In her defence, a lot of that seems to be whilst drunk, but it heightens the situation.

Intentionally or not she has played with both of their affections. She clearly finds it frustrating and thrilling in equal measure that both men are courting her and combating each other for her attention.

What she has done isn't so terrible. She, like most of the people in the house, is young and still figuring out who she is. Being adored is a powerful thin and I cannot truly say as a young woman I wouldn't have been slightly thrilled by the idea of it, if not the actuality. But this is leading her to send mixed signals. And for someone like Callum that is clearly a very confusing thing.

So: whilst she had every right to nominate him, and he has no right to assume that she won't, it is still a betrayal of someone whose affections she has at times delighted in, and who has done her no harm. She could have talked to him in more open and frank terms about him touching her, and invading her personal space. She could have refused the massages and cuddles and tried to forge a less physically charged friendship. She could have steered the conversation away from herself during his stints as self-appointed Charlie counsellor, for example, by turning the questions to him. She could have asked him questions about his life, about how he felt, about his experiences. She could have steered the conversations towards other interests, lightened the tone.

Callum's confusion, and I really think it is confusion, was easily avoided. But it has been useful to her. Whatever else he is, Callum has been her supporter. And she has called on that support many times.

Had these been face to face nominations I very much doubt Callum would have been one of her choices.


well said Dana, its very easy to get someone to stop touching you, just tell them to STOP touching you!

[CaudleHalbard]

Well, looks like Charlie's game plan is working. Both her house "boyfriends" are up and so is Hazel.

I am suspicious of the friendship between Charlie 'I know how Daley must've felt' Travers and Hazel, actually. ;)

Could Charlie be the most effective game player in there?

[Miranda123]

Well, looks like Charlie's game plan is working. Both her house "boyfriends" are up and so is Hazel.

I am suspicious of the friendship between Charlie 'I know how Daley must've felt' Travers and Hazel, actually. ;)

Could Charlie be the most effective game player in there?

Neither of them really like each other at all, the only reason they came together was because Hazel dumped Dan when she thought she could have a 'story' with Daley, then Charlie and her Mum became Dans bezzies

When Hazel got her just desserts, she came running back to Dan andn had to put up with the fact that Charlie was there, and Charlie had to put up with her

There is no love lost there

[Ammi]

She had every right to nominate him. He has no 'right' to her loyalty. She has told him countless times that she isn't interested in him in a romantic way.

But why not give that as the reason for nomination?

he has no right to expect her not to nominate him because of some romatic attachment, or because he has any rights at all.

He does, however have the right to feel betrayed.

As much as she has pushed him away, she pulled him towards. To his face, she says she is not interested in romance, but at the same time continually tells him she values supprt and companionship in the house. As much as it frustrates her that he jumps in to the end of her sentence and puts words into his mouth, she nevertheless seeks him out for deep conversations and tells him that she loves them. As much as she may dislike his wandering hands overstepping the boundaries of her personal space, she nevertheless gives every impression of enjoying his massages.

It is absolutely her right to set those personal boundaries in such a way that she is comfortable. She has every right to say this far and no further and expect that to be listened to. That she enjoys his massages sometimes does not mean she has to enjoy his caresses at all times. In giving permission to put his hands on her once, she has not given blanket permission thereafter.

But: as everybody in that house, including her, have identified, Callum does not seem to read social situations well. It cannot be anything but clear to her that with this man the signals have to be absolutely clear. Instead, she has sent mixed signals in all sorts of ways. She has been very clear that she doesn't have any romantic interest in him, but she has muddied the water when it comes to setting the parameters of their interactions and the extent or depth of the friendship that may be possible between them.

She has also consistently played with the fact that Callum and Dex see themselves as rivals for her affection. In her defence, a lot of that seems to be whilst drunk, but it heightens the situation.

Intentionally or not she has played with both of their affections. She clearly finds it frustrating and thrilling in equal measure that both men are courting her and combating each other for her attention.

What she has done isn't so terrible. She, like most of the people in the house, is young and still figuring out who she is. Being adored is a powerful thin and I cannot truly say as a young woman I wouldn't have been slightly thrilled by the idea of it, if not the actuality. But this is leading her to send mixed signals. And for someone like Callum that is clearly a very confusing thing.

So: whilst she had every right to nominate him, and he has no right to assume that she won't, it is still a betrayal of someone whose affections she has at times delighted in, and who has done her no harm. She could have talked to him in more open and frank terms about him touching her, and invading her personal space. She could have refused the massages and cuddles and tried to forge a less physically charged friendship. She could have steered the conversation away from herself during his stints as self-appointed Charlie counsellor, for example, by turning the questions to him. She could have asked him questions about his life, about how he felt, about his experiences. She could have steered the conversations towards other interests, lightened the tone.

Callum's confusion, and I really think it is confusion, was easily avoided. But it has been useful to her. Whatever else he is, Callum has been her supporter. And she has called on that support many times.

Had these been face to face nominations I very much doubt Callum would have been one of her choices.

..that's a very well thought out post Dana and I do agree with it mostly but I also think that Charlie is equally as socially inept and she could have done things differently/handled it differently in an 'ideal world' but I don't think she's any more capable of doing that as Callum is, so it's ended up with her feeling not comfortable in some way and not communicating that properly and him being very hurt by what he sees as a 'betrayal' and not being able to understand her nomination...it's just two people with very poor communication skills....whether she would have nominated him face to face, we'll never know unless they both get that opportunity in the future...

[Kazanne]

Yes she did stab him in the back. I'm not a fan of either of them, but I notice Charlie still wants to hug him and hang all over him. And all the stuff she told him that she'd said in the diary room was a complete fabrication... BB needs to play in the full nominations and not just the edited highlights.

What made me laugh most was sleazy Dexter earwigging the whole conversation between Charlie and Callum. He's so awful...

100% agree Livia, Callum wears his heart on his sleeve,its so obvious he likes her,she KNOWS that but does NOTHING to distance herself,infact she's the opposite.

[Kizzy]

Neither of them really like each other at all, the only reason they came together was because Hazel dumped Dan when she thought she could have a 'story' with Daley, then Charlie and her Mum became Dans bezzies

When Hazel got her just desserts, she came running back to Dan andn had to put up with the fact that Charlie was there, and Charlie had to put up with her

There is no love lost there

Have to disagree here hazel and dan have been the only real friendship in the house, nothing else has reduced hazel to tears except dan leaving.

[anne666]

A stake through the heart is the only way with him.:devil:

[Vanessa]

A stake through the heart is the only way with him.:devil:

:laugh3:

[lime]

No she did not stab him in the back.He makes her feel uneasy and she is uncomfortable around him so of course she wants him out of the house.

Hazel (who I don't like) said it so well to Dexter a couple of days ago,Charlie is aware that both fancy her but they are stuck in a small place and she has to talk to them but that does not mean she fancies them or is loyal to them.

[Jemal]

Have to disagree here hazel and dan have been the only real friendship in the house, nothing else has reduced hazel to tears except dan leaving.

Disagree. Sam and callum is wayyyyyyy more genuine.
In no time in this process has callum left Sam high and dry like hazel did with dan.
And there's no time in this process Sam has left callum high and dry like hazel did with dan.

[anne666]

He's as mad as a box of frogs. Sam's just another victim for him.

[Vicky.]

She's stringing him along for airtime. She does not like him at all. The live feed convo only came about because he made her feel bad for nominating him so she started with her verbal diarrhea to explain herself in an awkward position. She keeps him hanging on though, simply because she knows shes boring without the love triangle rubbish(though perosnally the love triangle is boring me more than anything else) Its quite bad to watch really..as I think he is genuinely smitten..and shes taking the piss out of him.

I don't think she stabbed him in the back by nominating him, as they all have to nominate someone and she nominated him as he makes her feel uncomfortable (as she has done previously) however its **** that she does that as its HER that is encouraging his behaviour. She was (and is) extremely twofaced though when it comes to callum (and Dex to a lesser extent)

[Niamh.]

She's stringing him along for airtime. She does not like him at all. The live feed convo only came about because he made her feel bad for nominating him so she started with her verbal diarrhea to explain herself in an awkward position. She keeps him hanging on though, simply because she knows shes boring without the love triangle rubbish(though perosnally the love triangle is boring me more than anything else) Its quite bad to watch really..as I think he is genuinely smitten..and shes taking the piss out of him.

I don't think she stabbed him in the back by nominating him, as they all have to nominate someone and she nominated him as he makes her feel uncomfortable (as she has done previously) however its **** that she does that as its HER that is encouraging his behaviour. She was (and is) extremely twofaced though when it comes to callum (and Dex to a lesser extent)

I agree with that actually

[Speedster]

No, I don't think so, I don't see why she owes him anything just because he fancies her



A very good point that a lot of people seem to have missed spectacularly.

[joeysteele]

I think she certainly stabbed him in the back because she is as many have said stringing him along, she is also very much aware that the last time he was up for eviction he was in danger of going, by being one of the last 2 housemates waiting to hear who was evicted.

With that knowledge and knowing he nearly went that week, to then nominate him to be up this week was quite a remarkable and rotten thing to do. She had other choices and if she had done it to me,I would have told her to clear off in no uncertain terms.
I hate backstabbers and 2 faced people and to me Charlie is both those things.
As well as what others say about her too as to being a 'user'.another very nasty thing to be on its own.

[camertone]

charlie is 2 faced nasty backstabbing bitch.

[Jemal]

You can't bloody say "i adore you and I love our deep meaningful chats, i love your hugs. You comfort me" and then have a great and close week. And them nominate him? And then have the cheek to say i couldn't nominate other people because im close enough with everyone here. Im sorry but that is complete and utter moose piss.
I mean i dont want Sam to get nommed and callum said the same but Jesus, coach made a good point, "if im your closest comfort, why would you nominate me to leave the house"
She could of easily nommed Sam and Sophie but she knows their supposedly popular on the outside.
Imo shes very calculated and she has a full on game plan.

[erinp5]

No,she had nommed him before and she told him this .

[Vanessa]

No,she had nommed him before and she told him this .

True. She can nominate who she wants. The reason is valid enough.

[Kazanne]

He clearly thought she was a friend,she clearly isn't bothered although she tells him she is,of course the guy is confused and hurt,she's up and down more than a hoes knickers.

[GiRTh]

She's stringing him along for airtime. She does not like him at all. The live feed convo only came about because he made her feel bad for nominating him so she started with her verbal diarrhea to explain herself in an awkward position. She keeps him hanging on though, simply because she knows shes boring without the love triangle rubbish(though perosnally the love triangle is boring me more than anything else) Its quite bad to watch really..as I think he is genuinely smitten..and shes taking the piss out of him.

I don't think she stabbed him in the back by nominating him, as they all have to nominate someone and she nominated him as he makes her feel uncomfortable (as she has done previously) however its **** that she does that as its HER that is encouraging his behaviour. She was (and is) extremely twofaced though when it comes to callum (and Dex to a lesser extent)Agree. :thumbs:

[RodHull]

Charlie's Decision was not very calculating, Charlie has nominated Callum for 3 weeks in a row..... before any poll results, she don't owe him anything because when a girls says no it means no, everyone saw live feed last night the emotional blackmail was being played out by only Callum waht a loser stalekr psycho that Callum is he makes me sick....

Yep hes a freak...

He just inflicts himself on her and his little boy lost routine (totally fake) has ensured that Charlie wont tell him to his face what every fibre of her being is screaming 'leave me the ****** alone and stop forcing your wordly wisdom down my throat'

The sad lost part of her (the part that ended up an addict) identifies with his patheticness and she pities him I think, she wants to be liked to much to tell him to his face what she really thinks. But note she never defends him when the others are slating him. Same with Dexter there is part of her that likes him but in the real world she wouldnt talk to either of them. Difference is Callum is more needy and feels she owes him something for his imparted wisdom which amounts to...

'your amazing'
'your beautiful'
'soar'
'you can do anything'
yadda yadda

Hes a total bellend and I cant believe people like him

[Indy]

She's stringing him along for airtime. She does not like him at all. The live feed convo only came about because he made her feel bad for nominating him so she started with her verbal diarrhea to explain herself in an awkward position. She keeps him hanging on though, simply because she knows shes boring without the love triangle rubbish(though perosnally the love triangle is boring me more than anything else) Its quite bad to watch really..as I think he is genuinely smitten..and shes taking the piss out of him.

I don't think she stabbed him in the back by nominating him, as they all have to nominate someone and she nominated him as he makes her feel uncomfortable (as she has done previously) however its **** that she does that as its HER that is encouraging his behaviour. She was (and is) extremely twofaced though when it comes to callum (and Dex to a lesser extent)

No, it isn't. On HL this week we saw Callum say it was a beautiful day, walk over to Charlie, and demand a hug. He follows her around in equal measure, and he initiates contact with her, it's not Charlie tells him to go away, then Charlie goes to him and gives in. Look at how he treated her on the LF, and that's obviously not an isolated incident. By the end of the feed, BB put up a web clip that totally misrepresented that conversation to look like Charlie had gone to Callum and tried to over-explain to him, leaving out that he had her in tears and basically blackmailed her for a half hour before it ever got to that point. How many other times have we seen "Charlie going to Callum" when it was really Callum going to Charlie like last night?

Just like the argument earlier about her saying she "adored" him. It conveniently leaves out that she listed every single hm by name and said that she adored them, too, Callum got irritated, and cut her off. If the viewers are willing to edit out Callum's behavior on their own, and obviously BB is as well, how can anyone be sure it's "always" Charlie?