Callum is homophobic?!

[beano]

On tonight's live feed, referring to Dexter's comment that he will "stick it in" him if Callum screws him over, Callum claimed Dexter wanted to "homosexually assault" him.

Why on earth did he choose those terms when he could have just said "sexual assault":conf:

SAM also said he would have "punched" Dexter if he had said that to him.

From Calum's Bio:

Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people.

http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb14/housemates/callum-knell

Is Callum homophobic? What about Sam? They seem to have the mindset of many typical straight guys. Very ignorant!!

[fingers]

Callum has been grooming Sam for weeks, now anything Callum says is Gospel as far as Sam is concerned.

[reece(:]

I wouldn't put it past him.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Callum understands basic human laws, and knows Dexter wanting to "stick it in" him is an act of dominance rather than a sexual act.
Callum knows he is below Dexter and will accept the pounding.

[Jemal]

Lol

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Callum

•Full Name: Callum Knell
•Age: 28
•Starsign: Scorpio
•Status: Single
•Home: Maidstone
•Job: Primary school sports coach




About Callum


An engaging and confident ladies’ man, Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people. He’s cheeky and admits to never saying sorry as he never regrets anything – and calls himself “the full package”.

Callum currently works as a children’s football coach. He really enjoys it because of all the attention and praise he receives from the parents. Callum started his professional life as a lifeguard and did the job for four years whilst at school and university. During this job he claims to have saved nineteen people’s lives – but that’s not it – Callum has saved other people’s lives outside of the job – making it a total of 28 lives saved. He admits that part of the reason he does it is for the praise and attention. He likes to be a hero.

He is very opinionated and says there is nothing better than having a good argument. He believes his ‘trump card’ is his intelligence and says he can often belittle people with his words.
Whilst coaching in America, he ended up sleeping with a mother and daughter and thinks this gives him serious “man points”. Callum isn’t looking for love in the house but says he is definitely looking to ‘crack on’ with someone.

[Scream]

He was so far up Dan's arse, so I doubt it. I think Sam may be...

[Niamh.]

It is kind of a stupid thing to say, if he'd said that to one of the girls there'd be war

[smeagol]

homophobic and racist and a psycho sums him up well.

funny he says he likes to be the hero i keep sayin that, as he turns and twists everything to make himself out to be a hero. like the way he puts charlie down then brings her back up
awful guy

[Vanessa]

It is kind of a stupid thing to say, if he'd said that to one of the girls there'd be war

It was a comment made two weeks ago and yet Callum only brings it up when he's trying to get Dexter thrown out. :suspect:

[Niamh.]

It was a comment made two weeks ago and yet Callum only brings it up when he's trying to get Dexter thrown out. :suspect:

Was this on l/f again? Damn, it's just on too late mid week for me to keep up

[Vanessa]

Was this on l/f again? Damn, it's just on too late mid week for me to keep up

Callum also put his own spin on it, of course. And he said that Dexter went too far in the changing rooms, which is a lie and we have proof. The video shows Callum attacking Dexter verbally and Dexter answering back.

[smudgie]

Did he not say that "he would bend him over and stick it in him"?
I don't think I would be too pleased either.

[Vicky.]

Did he not say that "he would bend him over and stick it in him"?
I don't think I would be too pleased either.

No. Callum added the bend him over part.

[Ellen]

Did he not say that "he would bend him over and stick it in him"?
I don't think I would be too pleased either.

Yep, not good :nono:

[Vanessa]

No. Callum added the bend him over part.

Exactly. Dexter meant it as " if you mess with me i'll screw you over". Callum twisted it to suit his own agenda. And then he just kept saying even more lies. The man would do anything to beat Dexter. :bored:

[Kazanne]

Callum explained it quite well I think,he knows it was not said in a sexual way,but in a superior way,lets stick to facts here.

[Kazanne]

So if Callum had said that to Dexter would his 'fans' be ok with that,lol I really don't think so

[smudgie]

No. Callum added the bend him over part.

Oh right. Just that Dexter said he could not remember but it is the type of thing he says.
I fell asleep near the end of LF and don't know what happened after that.

Thanks:hugesmile:

[Beso]

dexters more likely to want to bum himself.

[Vicky.]

So if Callum had said that to Dexter would his 'fans' be ok with that,lol I really don't think so

Have you even seen the incident in question? It is nothing at all like its being made out to be and Callum too the quote WAY out of context. He showed no surprise/shock/anger at the comment at the time. Yes, I would be fine if Callum said the same thing under the same circumstances as it actually happened.

[Niamh.]

Is there any videos around to watch it?

[Vicky.]

Is there any videos around to watch it?

The live feed from last night or the 'stickit in you' video?

Edit. Around 27.50 ish for stick it in http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12fjxx_live-feed-29th-july-2013-part-1-of-2_shortfilms

[halfacrown]

It's getting nasty and Callum is now regularly shown making stuff up to fit his agenda. Anyone who says they don't like 'overly camp gay people' cannot escape being seen a homophobic. The key word included here is not 'camp' it's 'gay'.

[Raph]

I don't like overly camp gay people either and i'm gay so

[Roy Mars III]

anyone who supports him or likes him should be ashamed of themselves

[halfacrown]

I don't like overly camp gay people either and i'm gay so

Presumably it's the camp that you don't like and not the gay, so in fact what you don't like is camp people, gay or straight. Since you are gay yourself, people will assume, rightly I hope, that you just don't like camp behaviour. Callum is straight and should be very careful about including the word 'gay'.

[Jemal]

I just don't get how anyone can defend someone tellin another man "i will stick it in you"

[Raph]

Presumably it's the camp that you don't like and not the gay, so in fact what you don't like is camp people, gay or straight. Since you are gay yourself, people will assume, rightly I hope, that you just don't like camp behaviour. Callum is straight and should be very careful about including the word 'gay'.

Fair enough, you're right. I respect that.

[Raph]

I just don't get how anyone can defend someone tellin another man "i will stick it in you"

Yeah completely it's so crude and demoralizing. I'm glad Dexter got a warning like that.

[Vicky.]

I just don't get how anyone can defend someone tellin another man "i will stick it in you"

I dont get why some people are desperate to make that into something it clearly isn't..totally ignoring the rest of the convo and such.

During that same convo, IIRC, Callum said he would piss on Dexter. If we are taking things literally rather than in context, surely that is just as bad ;)

[Vanessa]

I dont get why some people are desperate to make that into something it clearly isn't..totally ignoring the rest of the convo and such.

During that same convo, IIRC, Callum said he would piss on Dexter. If we are taking things literally rather than in context, surely that is just as bad ;)

Agree, he did. They were both talking metaphorically.

[JayBlaze]

Don't drop the soap Callum! Now I know why Dexter always turns the wheel when Callum has a shower:joker:

[Vanessa]

Don't drop the soap Callum! Now I know why Dexter always turns the wheel when Callum has a shower:joker:

Dexter would not touch Creeper with a bargepole. And neither would i. :yuk::yuk:

[newspresenter]

On tonight's live feed, referring to Dexter's comment that he will "stick it in" him if Callum screws him over, Callum claimed Dexter wanted to "homosexually assault" him.
The definition of 'phobia' means you dislike.
The definition of phobia regards homosexuals and homosexuality is that you dislike homosexuals and homosexuality.
Did Callum claim he didn't like homosexuals and homosexuality, no = ?

Why on earth did he choose those terms when he could have just said "sexual assault":conf:
Because he was larking around? Because Dexter is a male? Because Dexter is a self proclaimed 'metro sexual'? Because Callum claims he isn't too keen on Dexter?

SAM also said he would have "punched" Dexter if he had said that to him.
Is Sam Callums partner in life?

From Calum's Bio:
Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people.
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb14/housemates/callum-knell
As Callum is sexually straight, that makes sense...

Is Callum homophobic?
What about Sam?
They seem to have the mindset of many typical straight guys.
Very ignorant!!
No.
No.
Yes, the mindset that they dislike homosexuality because they're straight...
Takes one to know one? :wink:

[Jesus.]

I just don't get how anyone can defend someone tellin another man "i will stick it in you"

I will stick it in you.

[CaudleHalbard]

Dexter would not touch Creeper with a bargepole. And neither would i.

Fair to say, I think, that Callum has - entirely by his own efforts in the BB house - significantly reduced his employability: would you like him around your kids, for example?

I somewhat doubt, also, that he will have women flocking around him.

Of all the housemates, his BB experience will have been the most damaging. The sooner he goes the better... he is getting worse and worse.

[Jemal]

The definition of 'phobia' means you dislike.
The definition of phobia regards homosexuals and homosexuality is that you dislike homosexuals and homosexuality.
Did Callum claim he didn't like homosexuals and homosexuality, no = ?


Because he was larking around? Because Dexter is a male? Because Dexter is a self proclaimed 'metro sexual'? Because Callum claims he isn't too keen on Dexter?


Is Sam Callums partner in life?


As Callum is sexually straight, that makes sense...


No.
No.
Yes, the mindset that they dislike homosexuality because they're straight...
Takes one to know one? :wink:

:joker:
:worship:

[Fish_Fingers]

Presumably it's the camp that you don't like and not the gay, so in fact what you don't like is camp people, gay or straight. Since you are gay yourself, people will assume, rightly I hope, that you just don't like camp behaviour. Callum is straight and should be very careful about including the word 'gay'.

Yes he should be very careful, as we live in a world where people are just dying to sling labels such as 'racist', 'homophobic' etc at other people based purely on semantics.

Even if Callum had just said he dislikes overly camp people, one of the PC brigade would surely have followed shortly behind and insinuated that he is homophobic based on this statement. What a sad world we live in, where one cannot even express preferences without some mudslinging following.

[jet]

Jeez, that converstaion shows now how manipulative and controlling Callum is.He literally puts words into peoples mouths as a way of demoralizing them.
I really dislike him.
I don't much like Dexter either, but if I had to spend a hour with one of them, I'd beg for it to be Dexter. :hugesmile:

[Withano]

No, hes not homophobic. Don't be absurd.

You're basically saying all overly camp people are gay and thats the only homophobic thing I've read today.

[Jesus.]

Maybe he's not homophobic. He might just hate benders and lezzers?

[CaudleHalbard]

Maybe he's not homophobic. He might just hate benders and lezzers?

Rotfl! :D

Political correctness is not some people's strong point! ;)

[BigBuk]

The thing everyone is missing is that Sam said he would punch Dexter if it was him. Is this coming from the supposedly "lovely HM"? The fact is he wouldn't anyway, he's too boring to ever do thay. All talk no action.

[Shaun]

typical straight guys. Very ignorant!!

yeah they're the ignorant ones...

[Samm]

I don't like overly camp gay people either and i'm gay so

Same.

[MatthewS]

Shouldn't he have just said 'overtly camp people' if he had no prejudice?

Going out of your way to say "overtly camp gay" people is really pushing what could be deemed 'acceptable' and I can see why it could easily be construed as homophobic. He's essentially putting it out there that he'd be okay with an overtly camp straight person, but an overtly camp gay person really bothers him. Isn't that placing a hierarchical preference on how he rates others?

[camertone]

callum is not homophobic, he just doesn't like dexter, i don't think he cares if dexter is gay, he just don't like him as a human being.

[CaudleHalbard]

callum is not homophobic, he just doesn't like dexter, i don't think he cares if dexter is gay, he just don't like him as a human being.

No, Callum is gobsmacked that Charlie, his beloved, seems to fancy camp, spindly, metrosexual Dexter more than himself.

It has done his head in, beyond recovery!

No Charlie = No problem between Callum & Dexter.

[MatthewS]

This isn't really related to the Dexter vs Callum feud...

We're talking specifically about Callums Bio and if his remarks are homophobic or not...

Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people

[Braden]

Well let's not forget that Callum has "straight friends, gay friends and bi friends."

[MatthewS]

This thread isn't about Dexter vs Callum, it's about Callums bio. Do you think it's homophobic or not if someone makes a claim about not liking overtly camp gay people.

[Jords]

I know gay people who dont like overly camp men and women, its not homophobic. Also Callum was just being a bit more specific to the type of sexual assault it would be.

And top this argument off, have you seen the way Callum flirts about with the twins?

[Jords]

This thread isn't about Dexter vs Callum, it's about Callums bio. Do you think it's homophobic or not if someone makes a claim about not liking overtly camp gay people.

Not homophobic just a bit ignorant with his wording. Im sure he would not like overly camp straight people also. Its a personality thing rather than a sexuality thing.

[MatthewS]

I think its entirely possible he worded it incorrectly, or without thinking. If he simply said he doesn't get on with overtly camp people, I can't really see how anyone could think theirs anything wrong with a statement like that. However, when you specifically mention a particular sexual orientation and attach a negative connotation to it, it just opens the doors for speculation.

[Rawrbear]

He could of said Overly camp people. But anyway. "“very good looks” as all the attention will be on him" LMFAO!

[Northern Monkey]

This thread isn't about Dexter vs Callum, it's about Callums bio. Do you think it's homophobic or not if someone makes a claim about not liking overtly camp gay people.

Well i don't mind if someone's gay,I'm not homophobic but i don't like overly camp people either,They annoy me.They sound ridiculous and you don't need to "act" like that just you're gay.Plenty of gay men don't.Callum is perfectly entitled to not like camp men without being labelled homophobic.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

•Full Name: Callum Knell
•Age: 28
•Starsign: Scorpio
•Status: Single
•Home: Maidstone
•Job: Primary school sports coach

About Callum

An engaging and confident ladies’ man, Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people. He’s cheeky and admits to never saying sorry as he never regrets anything – and calls himself “the full package”.

Callum currently works as a children’s football coach. He really enjoys it because of all the attention and praise he receives from the parents. Callum started his professional life as a lifeguard and did the job for four years whilst at school and university. During this job he claims to have saved nineteen people’s lives – but that’s not it – Callum has saved other people’s lives outside of the job – making it a total of 28 lives saved. He admits that part of the reason he does it is for the praise and attention. He likes to be a hero.

He is very opinionated and says there is nothing better than having a good argument. He believes his ‘trump card’ is his intelligence and says he can often belittle people with his words.
Whilst coaching in America, he ended up sleeping with a mother and daughter and thinks this gives him serious “man points”. Callum isn’t looking for love in the house but says he is definitely looking to ‘crack on’ with someone.

[MatthewS]

Well i don't mind if someone's gay,I'm not homophobic but i don't like overly camp people either,They annoy me.They sound ridiculous and you don't need to "act" like that just you're gay.Plenty of gay men don't.Callum is perfectly entitled to not like camp men without being labelled homophobic.

I hear you. I also don't generally get on with extremely camp people, it's just a bit too over the top for me. However, I don't see why Callum couldn't just say he doesn't get along with overtly camp people, instead of specifically assigning a sexual orientation to it. It's not the camp part that's controversial or problematic, it's that he specifically mentioned gay people.

In his defense, he could have just misspoke, or said it without thinking it through. It's not like he's mentioned anything in the house that's homophobic at all. He also hasn't got along with Dan though, and he's not close with the gay twin either. I'm just not sure what to make of it really.

[the truth]

On tonight's live feed, referring to Dexter's comment that he will "stick it in" him if Callum screws him over, Callum claimed Dexter wanted to "homosexually assault" him.

Why on earth did he choose those terms when he could have just said "sexual assault":conf:

SAM also said he would have "punched" Dexter if he had said that to him.

From Calum's Bio:

Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people.

http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb14/housemates/callum-knell

Is Callum homophobic? What about Sam? They seem to have the mindset of many typical straight guys. Very ignorant!!

that's doesn't make him homophobic , cant say ive noticed any kind of discrimination against gay people by any hm

[MatthewS]

What if he said he doesn't get along with overtly camp black people? Problematic or fair statement to make?

[Braden]

It's almost a cliche for heterosexual guys to say they hate camp gay men in Big Brother (auditions). They probably just say it for the shock-factor so they can get into the house and show that they're "controversial".

[beano]

I think its entirely possible he worded it incorrectly, or without thinking. If he simply said he doesn't get on with overtly camp people, I can't really see how anyone could think theirs anything wrong with a statement like that. However, when you specifically mention a particular sexual orientation and attach a negative connotation to it, it just opens the doors for speculation.
I agree

[halfacrown]

What if he said he doesn't get along with overtly camp black people? Problematic or fair statement to make?

You have hit the nail on the head. Insert the word 'black' and suddenly people get it, I use that rule all the time. I loathe the use by people of 'gay' to mean 'lame', 'feeble' or 'rubbish', it's ridiculous. Use the word 'black' instead and people rightly wince. I'm old enough to remember a time when people used racist language regularly and casually. Political correctness is considered difficult by some people but the world before it was horribly sexist, racist and homophobic.

[Fish_Fingers]

The thing with this type of speculation is that it runs both ways. Let's imagine, for arguments sake, that someone meets a random sample of 10 gay people. Within this sample, 3 of them are overly camp. Our subject gets on very well with the seven, non-camp gay people and can be seen laughing, joking and making a good connection with them. However, he is unable to make a connection with the 3 overly camp ones and appears to be annoyed and bothered by them.

Our subject is surely entitled to say that, based on this study, he doesn't like overly camp gay people. In my book, this does not make him homophobic. Please don't forget that we don't have to like everybody in the world. It's interesting that nobody his picked up on his other comment about religious people. Is that because there is not a 'phobia' or 'ism' for disliking religion that people can label with in an attempt to be cool?

[south12345]

I expect he just likes his men masculine......a vast majority of gay and bi men do.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

I expect he just likes his men masculine......a vast majority of gay and bi men do.

what i was thinking. lol

[Braden]

The thing that bothers me with this whole 'disliking camp, gay men' is how ignorant it is in general. There's so much more to people who are gay and appear 'camp' on first impressions, yet people still stereotype and say that they hate "camp gay men" just for the sake of it. I personally think that shows how insecure they are about themselves tbh. It also ruins any type of equality that's trying to be formed in society.

[MatthewS]

Dexter is pretty camp, I guess him and callum were never meant to be lol

[MatthewS]

The thing with this type of speculation is that it runs both ways. Let's imagine, for arguments sake, that someone meets a random sample of 10 gay people. Within this sample, 3 of them are overly camp. Our subject gets on very well with the seven, non-camp gay people and can be seen laughing, joking and making a good connection with them. However, he is unable to make a connection with the 3 overly camp ones and appears to be annoyed and bothered by them.

Our subject is surely entitled to say that, based on this study, he doesn't like overly camp gay people. In my book, this does not make him homophobic.

That's fair enough. However I think its important to note that straight people can obviously be camp as well, it's not something that's exclusive to a specific sexual orientation.

[Fish_Fingers]

That's fair enough. However I think its important to note that straight people can obviously be camp as well, it's not something that's exclusive to a specific sexual orientation.

Duly noted. But I think we can reasonably assume, without too much deliberation, that our subject would probably dislike straight camp people too.

[halfacrown]

The thing with this type of speculation is that it runs both ways. Let's imagine, for arguments sake, that someone meets a random sample of 10 gay people. Within this sample, 3 of them are overly camp. Our subject gets on very well with the seven, non-camp gay people and can be seen laughing, joking and making a good connection with them. However, he is unable to make a connection with the 3 overly camp ones and appears to be annoyed and bothered by them.

Our subject is surely entitled to say that, based on this study, he doesn't like overly camp gay people. In my book, this does not make him homophobic. Please don't forget that we don't have to like everybody in the world. It's interesting that nobody his picked up on his other comment about religious people. Is that because there is not a 'phobia' or 'ism' for disliking religion that people can label with in an attempt to be cool?

Then it would be the 'camp' that your subject dislikes, not the gay. He would have the same problem with camp straight people, right? But hold on, that might only be just a minority of a few camp people. There could be many camp people in the world that you subject gets on with. The problem with Callum is that he said he dislikes 'overly camp gay people' but has he met all of them, in the whole world? What does he mean by 'overly', what in his opinion? And why does he even have a problem with camp?

[Shaun]

The thing that bothers me with this whole 'disliking camp, gay men' is how ignorant it is in general. There's so much more to people who are gay and appear 'camp' on first impressions, yet people still stereotype and say that they hate "camp gay men" just for the sake of it. I personally think that shows how insecure they are about themselves tbh. It also ruins any type of equality that's trying to be formed in society.

nah, being camp has nothing to do with equality. It's a character quirk in the same sense that being bookish or flirtatious or childish or funny is. It's not as if it's a minute contributor to one's personality: if someone strikes you as a queen, you're not going to dig deeper and find out that, actually, listening to Britney Spears all the time isn't that annoying. I've many friends who're incredibly camp but I can completely see why it's annoying to some people, in the same way that I'll make a mental note never to try and make friends with someone who strikes me as a loudmouth "lad".

[M X]

I seem to remember Callum saying "I have gay friends, I have bi friends." so don't try and make him out to be homophobic just because you're a Dexter fan. And to be honest, saying that you will bend someone over and stick it in them DOES equate to a homosexual assault.

And I'm gay so...

[Northern Monkey]

The thing that bothers me with this whole 'disliking camp, gay men' is how ignorant it is in general. There's so much more to people who are gay and appear 'camp' on first impressions, yet people still stereotype and say that they hate "camp gay men" just for the sake of it. I personally think that shows how insecure they are about themselves tbh. It also ruins any type of equality that's trying to be formed in society.

Yeah but,For example,You can get on with normal gay men but you may not like the thought of what they do with each other.If they are really camp then they are basically throwing it in your face and you can't look past that because of all the super camp act.Obviously a camp straight bloke does'nt commit gay acts,He may just do the camp thing cos he thinks it's cool or chicks like it or whatever but you would know that he's straight.You could get on with a non camp gay man fine as he's not throwing his sexuality in your face everytime he talks.Hence Callum is perfectly within his rights to say that he does'nt like overtly gay men without being branded homophobic.

[armand.kay]

I'm gay and I would feel uncomfortable had someone said that to me tbh.

[MatthewS]

Is this taken from official BB bio? If it is I'm surprised nobody bothered to take that specific part out, for the sake of political correctness and all. I'm convinced he is or isn't homophobic, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though. Comments like that are really open to interpretation though and he's left the door wide open for speculation by commenting specifically on a particular sexual orientation.

[boomoo]

On tonight's live feed, referring to Dexter's comment that he will "stick it in" him if Callum screws him over, Callum claimed Dexter wanted to "homosexually assault" him.

Why on earth did he choose those terms when he could have just said "sexual assault":conf:

SAM also said he would have "punched" Dexter if he had said that to him.

From Calum's Bio:

Callum claims that others in the house would get annoyed by his “very good looks” as all the attention will be on him. He likes an argument but doesn’t like very religious or overly camp gay people.

http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb14/housemates/callum-knell

Is Callum homophobic? What about Sam? They seem to have the mindset of many typical straight guys. Very ignorant!!

Having just watched the programme Callum said nothing at all about homosexual acts.

[boomoo]

I'm gay and I would feel uncomfortable had someone said that to me tbh.

Thank you. A voice of reason. If the convo went as Callum said it was a case of a small man Dexter trying to make himself powerful over Callum.

[halfacrown]

Yeah but,For example,You can get on with normal gay men but you may not like the thought of what they do with each other.If they are really camp then they are basically throwing it in your face and you can't look past that because of all the super camp act.Obviously a camp straight bloke does'nt commit gay acts,He may just do the camp thing cos he thinks it's cool or chicks like it or whatever but you would know that he's straight.You could get on with a non camp gay man fine as he's not throwing his sexuality in your face everytime he talks.Hence Callum is perfectly within his rights to say that he does'nt like overtly gay men without being branded homophobic.

All gay people are protected by the law and just like anyone else, are entitled to respect. You seem to suggest that being camp is not normal and you are on very shaky ground here. You also have no right to judge people on the basis of 'what they do with each other', to say so is frankly ridiculous. Therefore, even if you are not just winding people up, you are not entitled to say such things about gay people, camp or otherwise.

[Shaun]

Yeah but,For example,You can get on with normal gay men but you may not like the thought of what they do with each other.If they are really camp then they are basically throwing it in your face and you can't look past that because of all the super camp act.Obviously a camp straight bloke does'nt commit gay acts,He may just do the camp thing cos he thinks it's cool or chicks like it or whatever but you would know that he's straight.You could get on with a non camp gay man fine as he's not throwing his sexuality in your face everytime he talks.Hence Callum is perfectly within his rights to say that he does'nt like overtly gay men without being branded homophobic.

the basis of this post is "I don't like gay sex" and that's just sad that you can't get past that.

[halfacrown]

Having just watched the programme Callum said nothing at all about homosexual acts.

He said to Dexter you wanted to 'homosexually assault me', but BB didn't show it.

[MatthewS]

^^^

lol I was about to say the same thing. Being straight, I don't like gay sex either, but I don't actually judge other people or have predetermined convictions about them based on what they do, or don't do, in their bedrooms...

[Northern Monkey]

All gay people are protected by the law and just like anyone else, are entitled to respect. You seem to suggest that being camp is not normal and you are on very shaky ground here. You also have no right to judge people on the basis of 'what they do with each other', to say so is frankly ridiculous. Therefore, even if you are not just winding people up, you are not entitled to say such things about gay people, camp or otherwise.

I'm saying that Callum may not like the thought of actual gay acts but does'nt judge a person on the fact that that's what they do(which would be homophobic).But obviously if they are "overtly camp" then they are throwing that fact in his face.Maybe i did'nt explain right.Basically he does'nt have to agree with them fancying men or he's homophobic.That's ridiculous,Different horses for different courses,But if a camp gay man was constantly throwing the fact at him whenever he spoke to them then he is not gonna get on with them is he?He would probably find it annoying,We all find some people annoying.As long as he's not saying he hates all gay men,He's just saying he does'nt like camp gay men.Nothing wrong in that.

[Northern Monkey]

the basis of this post is "I don't like gay sex" and that's just sad that you can't get past that.

Im talking about how Callum may feel not me.lol

[halfacrown]

I'm saying that Callum may not like the thought of actual gay acts but does'nt judge a person on the fact that that's what they do(which would be homophobic).But obviously if they are "overtly camp" then they are throwing that fact in his face.Maybe i did'nt explain right.Basically he does'nt have to agree with them fancying men or he's homophobic.That's ridiculous,Different horses for different courses,But if a camp gay man was constantly throwing the fact at him whenever he spoke to them then he is not gonna get on with them is he?He would probably find it annoying,We all find some people annoying.As long as he's not saying he hates all gay men,He's just saying he does'nt like camp gay men.Nothing wrong in that.

Nobody has a right to judge people of whatever sexuality on what they do in bed. All this talk of not liking 'gay acts' belongs to the past. I don't agree that camp people throw their sexuality in people's faces, it's rubbish. If Callum has problems with 'gay acts' or 'overly camp gay people', to the extent that he thinks it's worth mentioning in his bio, he should add these problems to the growing list of issues with which he might benefit from professional help.

[Fish_Fingers]

Then it would be the 'camp' that your subject dislikes, not the gay. He would have the same problem with camp straight people, right?

Right, that would be the logical conclusion to draw.

But hold on, that might only be just a minority of a few camp people. There could be many camp people in the world that you subject gets on with.

There could be, and in all probability, there actually are.

The problem with Callum is that he said he dislikes 'overly camp gay people' but has he met all of them, in the whole world?

No he hasn't. He's just talking from his own experiences. That's what people usually tend to do

What does he mean by 'overly', what in his opinion? And why does he even have a problem with camp?

We can't read his mind, but at the end of the day he is entitled to his opinion. He has the right to like and dislike who he chooses. There is no law (yet), that says everybody must like all types of gay people.

[halfacrown]

Right, that would be the logical conclusion to draw.



There could be, and in all probability, there actually are.



No he hasn't. He's just talking from his own experiences. That's what people usually tend to do



We can't read his mind, but at the end of the day he is entitled to his opinion. He has the right to like and dislike who he chooses. There is no law (yet), that says everybody must like all types of gay people.

You are clearly happy to let Callum dismiss thousands of people on the basis of his limited 'experiences', I am not, I think it's ignorant and narrow-minded. Callum has to be taken on his word/opinion, which he has expressed publicly, so naturally people are going to reject such an opinion as ludicrous because he is judging people he has not met. On top of this, why would anybody dislike somebody because they are gay and camp without finding out what sort of person they are? Are camp gay people not capable of being kind, intelligent, productive, loving, generous and brave?