I honestly don't get why people want Sam to win

[Benjamin]

Yes, he is nice. Yes, I like him. But he hasn't done anything much to warrant being voted the winner. Imagine if we had a season of people that were just like him, it would be dull and people would moan to hell, so I don't get why people are backing him as a winner this time? This is BB, an entertainment show and a gameshow, not be as nice as you can and cruise though 10 weeks of TV to be given money for doing so.

[AnnieK]

It worked for Rachel Rice and Cameron in BB4.

I agree though, he isn't a worthy winner but if people vote for him he could easily win

[Vanessa]

Agreed. Sam makes even Cameron and Rachel Rice interesting. :joker::joker:

[Kazanne]

I want Sam to win:devil:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Rachel Rice was always interesting.

I don't actively want Sam to win, but I wouldn't mind it. He'd still be better than about half the godawful winners we've had. I'll settle with anything as long as Jack and Joe don't win.

[smeagol]

sympathy vote

[Benjamin]

I want Sam to win:devil:

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4640215061432050&pid=15.1

[Videostar]

I keep asking Sam supporters this and they either never answer the question or give sarcy answers.

I would love to hear genuine reason as to why he should win.

[Kazanne]

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4640215061432050&pid=15.1

:joker::joker::joker: Ya could have give me a skirt to wear:shocked:

[Vanessa]

I keep asking Sam supporters this and they either never answer the question or give sarcy answers.

I would love to hear genuine reason as to why he should win.

Because he sleeps the most? :laugh:

[Ramsay]

I want Sam to win:devil:

but why?
what reasons do you want him to win?

[Videostar]

Rachel Rice was always interesting.

I don't actively want Sam to win, but I wouldn't mind it. He'd still be better than about half the godawful winners we've had. I'll settle with anything as long as Jack and Joe don't win.

Why would he be better than past winners? we have had some terrible winners, but what stands Sam out as a better winner to them?

For me he would be the worst of all the past winners, even worse than Rachel Rice and Anthony Hutton, and they are tough acts to follow.

[Verbal]

Yes, he is nice. Yes, I like him. But he hasn't done anything much to warrant being voted the winner. Imagine if we had a season of people that were just like him, it would be dull and people would moan to hell, so I don't get why people are backing him as a winner this time? This is BB, an entertainment show and a gameshow, not be as nice as you can and cruise though 10 weeks of TV to be given money for doing so.

Nor is it be as horrible as you can and cruise through 10 weeks of TV to be given money for doing so.

They are all reprobates and wannabes. Rewarding anyone for being so does not sit well with me.

Sam has conquered and is dealing with difficulty every single day, the the others and loads of this forum could not even dream of. He is a nice young lad who would put the money to good use.

He has my respect. I don't really give a toss who wins. But if I had to choose, it would be him.

[KingOfTheMods]

He's the most boring non-entity ever to have got this far, even worse than Rachel and Cameron. They were boring but at least they had their own personalities. Sam is a frigging bore lord who is blander than bland. If he wins I'm gonna kick a puppy.

[Macie Lightfoot]

He'd be better because this show has a ****ing horrible track record for winners and half of them are repulsive in one way or another. Sam being completely inoffensive makes him one of the better winners by default.

[Vanessa]

Why would he be better than past winners? we have had some terrible winners, but what stands Sam out as a better winner to them?

For me he would be the worst of all the past winners, even worse than Rachel Rice and Anthony Hutton, and they are tough acts to follow.

Anthony was my favourite that year, but i couldn't stand fence sitter Rachel. Rex was robbed that year.
Sam would be the most pointless winner ever.

[Novo]

He's the most boring non-entity ever to have got this far, even worse than Rachel and Cameron. They were boring but at least they had their own personalities. Sam is a frigging bore lord who is blander than bland. If he wins I'm gonna kick a puppy.

So true, they actually engaged in conversation with other housemates.. i don't think i have ever seen Sam start a conversation with anyone bar Callum, he doesn't even try either

[Vanessa]

So true, they actually engaged in conversation with other housemates.. i don't think i have ever seen Sam start a conversation with anyone bar Callum, he doesn't even try either

I noticed that. He doesn't seem interested in talking to anyone in there. :suspect:

[KingOfTheMods]

He'd be better because this show has a ****ing horrible track record for winners and half of them are repulsive in one way or another. Sam being completely inoffensive makes him one of the better winners by default.

How do you know he's nice? He never says or does anything. He could be sat there thinking of the different ways he's going to stalk and murder them all for all we know.

[Macie Lightfoot]

How do you know he's nice? He never says or does anything. He could be sat there thinking of the different ways he's going to stalk and murder them all for all we know.

I didn't say he was nice though?

[Sandz38]

I noticed that. He doesn't seem interested in talking to anyone in there. :suspect:

This is very true Sam started off well until he paired up with Callum, I think big brother should give him a task to get to know everyone better. He's young and deserves a second chance :)

[smudgie]

I like Sam, great lad so far.
Best reason of all I can give for him winning is.... Dexter won't:joker::joker::joker:

[smeagol]

How do you know he's nice? He never says or does anything. He could be sat there thinking of the different ways he's going to stalk and murder them all for all we know.

he probably is , callum has groomed him well lol

[Kazanne]

I like Sam, great lad so far.
Best reason of all I can give for him winning is.... Dexter won't:joker::joker::joker:

That's as good a reason as any smudgie:joker:

[Vanessa]

This is very true Sam started off well until he paired up with Callum, I think big brother should give him a task to get to know everyone better. He's young and deserves a second chance :)

I agree. Callum has isolated Sam. He's not close to anyone now.

[Verbal]

I keep asking Sam supporters this and they either never answer the question or give sarcy answers.

I would love to hear genuine reason as to why he should win.

I have given genuine reasons below. People seem to fly past them. How convenient.

[KingOfTheMods]

I didn't say he was nice though?

Inoffensive, whatever. The fact that you think he's a deserving winner cause he sits there with his thumb up his ass doing eff all baffles me.

[Calderyon]

I don´t want him to win. But if it comes down to it that he is the last hope to prevent Gina from winning, i have to hope he does.

It doesn´t mean that i support him, it means i do not want Gina to win.

[Benjamin]

I agree. Callum has isolated Sam. He's not close to anyone now.

According to Callum, Gina is the only other he is close to because she actually listens to what he says and repeats stuff for him if he struggles? Hopefully this is the case and we see both of them get closer and he brings out her nicer side and she brings out his livelier side.

[Headie]

Sam has conquered and is dealing with difficulty every single day, the the others and loads of this forum could not even dream of. He is a nice young lad who would put the money to good use.

So, it's a sympathy vote then? If he didn't have a disability, you wouldn't support him?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Inoffensive, whatever. The fact that you think he's a deserving winner cause he sits there with his thumb up his ass doing eff all baffles me.

I didn't say he's a deserving winner, I'm just saying that I much prefer him to some of the assholes who have won previous series so by default he'd be in the top half of winners for me. If it really baffles you that I'd rather have someone I'm indifferent to win than someone I dislike then continue to be baffled.

[Verbal]

So, it's a sympathy vote then? If he didn't have a disability, you wouldn't support him?

He is dealing with difficulties. Doesn't make an issue of it. Doesn't go out of his way to **** with people. I have no sympathy for him, he is in no need of sympathy. People need to stop using that phrase, because its condescending and quite frankly, bollocks.

[KingOfTheMods]

I didn't say he's a deserving winner, I'm just saying that I much prefer him to some of the assholes who have won previous series so by default he'd be in the top half of winners for me. If it really baffles you that I'd rather have someone I'm indifferent to win than someone I dislike then continue to be baffled.

Different strokes I suppose. I'd rather have a controversial winner good or bad than someone who has quite literally brought nothing to the program, he's been an absolute waste of a hm.

[Macie Lightfoot]

idk it just seems counter intuitive for me to want someone to win who I absolutely did not enjoy viewing for 2-3 months, which qualifies at least half of the winners this show has had.

[Benjamin]

He is dealing with difficulties. Doesn't make an issue of it. Doesn't go out of his way to **** with people. I have no sympathy for him, he is in no need of sympathy. People need to stop using that phrase, because its condescending and quite frankly, bollocks.

You keep pointing out his "difficulty", nobody else. They just respond to you. :joker:

So, he is deaf, but others are dealing with difficulties too, it is not a reason for ANY housemate to win.

[Verbal]

You keep pointing out his "difficulty", nobody else. They just respond to you. :joker:

So, he is deaf, but others are dealing with difficulties too, it is not a reason for ANY housemate to win.

Yes I do. Because that is the very reason I have respect for him. What difficulties are others in there dealing with? Gina's shoes too tight? Hazel's eyeliner running?

[Headie]

Yes I do. Because that is the very reason I have respect for him. What difficulties are others in there dealing with? Gina's shoes too tight? Hazel's eyeliner running?

Well then surely Sam shouldn't be allowed to be a housemate if he gets supported just for having 'difficulties'. Same basis goes for Steve, Verne etc. It's like the Olympics and Paralympics, they seperate them for a reason because the able-bodied would have an advantage in most events. Well, this is just the same, since Sam gets an advantage just for being physically different to the other housemates.

[BBfan46]

It's a game show!

He's not contributed to the game. He barely speaks!

Even now, he has about 3 lines on the HL show and there's only 7 housemates left!

No doubt, he's a lovely guy but he's boring. Unfortunately, he will win

[YodaBB]

I want Gina to have the title & Sam to have the prizefund

[Verbal]

Well then surely Sam shouldn't be allowed to be a housemate if he gets supported just for having 'difficulties'. Same basis goes for Steve, Verne etc. It's like the Olympics and Paralympics, they seperate them for a reason because the able-bodied would have an advantage in most events. Well, this is just the same, since Sam gets an advantage just for being physically different to the other housemates.

Going by that logic blacks and whites, gays and non gays should all have separate bathrooms, restaurants and travel on different buses.

It's not a 100m sprint, its a gameshow as pointed out. There is no reason to exclude anyone from that house based on any physical differences. It would probably be illegal to do so.

[Kyle]

I want Sam to win purely because I like him, that's all there is to it. There is no ulterior motive or sympathy voting I just like him.

[Benjamin]

Yes I do. Because that is the very reason I have respect for him. What difficulties are others in there dealing with? Gina's shoes too tight? Hazel's eyeliner running?

I'm sorry, do you know the housemates personally and what they have had to deal with in their lives? Thought not. But you don't like people saying "If he didn't have a disability, you wouldn't support him" but you have just openly admitted that is why you support him. :crazy:

[RichardG]

Sam has conquered and is dealing with difficulty every single day, the the others and loads of this forum could not even dream of. He is a nice young lad who would put the money to good use.


Should Steve have won BB11?

Big Brother is a gameshow, not a charity. No one automatically deserves to be the winner just because they're facing any kind of difficulty, whether they're blind, deaf, have no legs, have ears like a dogs - nothing. The winner should be the person who has best played the game, who has provided entertainment and done enough within the house to justify the title and prize fund. If we vote the bores as the winner just because they're having a hard time then future series will be duller than watching paint dry because they'll come to realise that all they have to do to win is sit around all day and don't get involved in anything.

[Kazanne]

You keep pointing out his "difficulty", nobody else. They just respond to you. :joker:

So, he is deaf, but others are dealing with difficulties too, it is not a reason for ANY housemate to win.

It's not a reason for certain people to take the piss either Ben:hugesmile:

[Marc]

Top notch guy

[Benjamin]

It's not a reason for certain people to take the piss either Ben:hugesmile:

Such as?

[Verbal]

I'm sorry, do you know the housemates personally and what they have had to deal with in their lives? Thought not. But you don't like people saying "If he didn't have a disability, you wouldn't support him" but you have just openly admitted that is why you support him. :crazy:

No I do not know any of them personally, but you would think some on here do.

None of them have an obvious disadvantage, Sam does, which he deals with amicably.

I don't like people 'if he didn't have a disability?' where did I say that? I don't like people saying it is nothing more than a sympathy vote, because its patronising.

I support him because I respect what he has to deal with and how he deals with it.

Next question...

[Kyle]

Cynical hermit is fully entitled to his reasons for liking Sam and I think you should respect them regardless of whether you agree or not.

[Benjamin]

No I do not know any of them personally, but you would think some on here do.

None of them have an obvious disadvantage, Sam does, which he deals with amicably.

I don't like people 'if he didn't have a disability?' where did I say that? I don't like people saying it is nothing more than a sympathy vote, because its patronising.

I support him because I respect what he has to deal with and how he deals with it.

Next question...

I misread that earlier post (as that other part was in it too), I apologise.

[Verbal]

Should Steve have won BB11?

Big Brother is a gameshow, not a charity. No one automatically deserves to be the winner just because they're facing any kind of difficulty, whether they're blind, deaf, have no legs, have ears like a dogs - nothing. The winner should be the person who has best played the game, who has provided entertainment and done enough within the house to justify the title and prize fund. If we vote the bores as the winner just because they're having a hard time then future series will be duller than watching paint dry because they'll come to realise that all they have to do to win is sit around all day and don't get involved in anything.

I have not said any of those things!

Jesus wept.

He has my respect for how and what he deals with.

None of the others have gained my respect

End

[smudgie]

I have not said any of those things!

Jesus wept.

He has my respect for how and what he deals with.

None of the others have gained my respect

End

Love you signature :hugesmile:

[DanaC]

I like Sam, more as the show progresses. His one liners are funny and he seems the kind of person who doesn't rise easily to anger, but will absolutely stand their ground if pushed. He also stands by his friends. True loyalty is an admirable quality. To keep hold of that in such an environment is a good thing.

But mostly I like him because each time I've seen him come out of himself he's shown himself to be thoughtful, funny, and creative.

[Kazanne]

Such as?

people mocking his speech etc.:hugesmile:

[Benjamin]

people mocking his speech etc.:hugesmile:

Who? Housemates or members? I'd never mock him for that. He is a nice guy, but I just don't see him as a winner.

[smudgie]

I like Sam, more as the show progresses. His one liners are funny and he seems the kind of person who doesn't rise easily to anger, but will absolutely stand their ground if pushed. He also stands by his friends. True loyalty is an admirable quality. To keep hold of that in such an environment is a good thing.

But mostly I like him because each time I've seen him come out of himself he's shown himself to be thoughtful, funny, and creative.

Yes, a lovely lad, hope he wins.:hugesmile:

[Verbal]

I like Sam, more as the show progresses. His one liners are funny and he seems the kind of person who doesn't rise easily to anger, but will absolutely stand their ground if pushed. He also stands by his friends. True loyalty is an admirable quality. To keep hold of that in such an environment is a good thing.

But mostly I like him because each time I've seen him come out of himself he's shown himself to be thoughtful, funny, and creative.

Very well said, Dana.

[KingOfTheMods]

I like Sam, more as the show progresses. His one liners are funny and he seems the kind of person who doesn't rise easily to anger, but will absolutely stand their ground if pushed. He also stands by his friends. True loyalty is an admirable quality. To keep hold of that in such an environment is a good thing.

But mostly I like him because each time I've seen him come out of himself he's shown himself to be thoughtful, funny, and creative.

He's about as funny as a terminal illness.

[Headie]

Going by that logic blacks and whites, gays and non gays should all have separate bathrooms, restaurants and travel on different buses.

It's not a 100m sprint, its a gameshow as pointed out. There is no reason to exclude anyone from that house based on any physical differences. It would probably be illegal to do so.

Exactly. So shouldn't it be illegal to exclude someone who has a disability and purely base their reason for winning down to their disability over someone who doesn't, just because they have a disability?

What you are doing is called positive discrimination.

[RichardG]

He's about as funny as a terminal illness.

You mean... you don't find his 'expanding winkie' comment hilarious?! :shocked:

[Kyle]

Exactly. So shouldn't it be illegal to exclude someone who has a disability and purely base their reason for winning down to their disability over someone who doesn't, just because they have a disability?

What you are doing is called positive discrimination.

His reasoning for wanting Sam to win is not down to his disability.

[Jords]

Nice lad I like him a lot but hed make a piss poor winner, not contributed enough.

[KingOfTheMods]

=RichardG;6245494]You mean... you don't find his 'expanding winkie' comment hilarious?! :shocked:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vPRY-rwCAxg/T7Dm1fxMgKI/AAAAAAAABKc/KVY5jQMuOy8/s200/stone-cold-laughing.gif[

[Verbal]

Exactly. So shouldn't it be illegal to exclude someone who has a disability and purely base their reason for winning down to their disability over someone who doesn't, just because they have a disability?

What you are doing is called positive discrimination.

I had to read your post about 3 times and it still doesn't quite make sense, but ok.

I am not supporting him because of his disability. I am supporting him because of how he deals with it in the context of that house, and how he has managed to throw himself in there and not make it an issue.

Getting tired of saying this but he has my respect for exactly those reasons. Therefore he is my winner.

You would swear he was like Wolfy and going around saying how he is going to win for all the deaf people out there. If there was even a hint of that kind of attitude I would want him out.

Dana has also made a very good post outlining other reasons why I like him.

Now, Family Guy is on so hush a minute.

[Headie]

His reasoning for wanting Sam to win is not down to his disability.

I'm pretty sure by saying "I respt his difficulities and how he has to deal with them" is indirectly referring to his disability.

It's like me saying "Shievonne deserved to stay longer than Deana because Shievonne is black and black people have it harder in the real world than Asians do".

[Macie Lightfoot]

^ they have a harder time on BB, that's for sure.

[RichardG]

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It's the only memorable thing he's said all series :joker: absolute disaster if he wins.

[Kazanne]

Who? Housemates or members? I'd never mock him for that. He is a nice guy, but I just don't see him as a winner.

Not housemates Ben:hugesmile:

[Headie]

I had to read your post about 3 times and it still doesn't quite make sense, but ok.

I am not supporting him because of his disability. I am supporting him because of how he deals with it in the context of that house, and how he has managed to throw himself in there and not make it an issue.

Getting tired of saying this but he has my respect for exactly those reasons. Therefore he is my winner.

You would swear he was like Wolfy and going around saying how he is going to win for all the deaf people out there. If there was even a hint of that kind of attitude I would want him out.

Dana has also made a very good post outlining other reasons why I like him.

Now, Family Guy is on so hush a minute.

But if he didn't have a disability, you wouldn't support him as he wouldn't be dealing with anything. Correct?

Sam went into BB knowing that he'd hav a harder time than the other housemates, but he should also be treated equally just as every other housemate is.

If Gina and Sophie (2 other harmless housemates) both had hearing difficulties and they had to deal with them in the house, would you support them too?

[Kyle]

I'm pretty sure by saying "I respt his difficulities and how he has to deal with them" is indirectly referring to his disability.

It's like me saying "Shievonne deserved to stay longer than Deana because Shievonne is black and black people have it harder in the real world than Asians do".

What is wrong with having respect for his difficulties? Anybody should respect that I'm sure being deaf can be a right pain in the ass sometimes.

Cynical hermit has also stated he likes Sam because of his characteristics and who he is as a person, that is why I believe he wants him to win.

[Benjamin]

What is wrong with having respect for his difficulties? Anybody should respect that I'm sure being deaf can be a right pain in the ass sometimes.

Cynical hermit has also stated he likes Sam because of his characteristics and who he is as a person, that is why I believe he wants him to win.

Then in theory you like Callum and Gina as they are the two housmates that give him the most time of day and understanding to his disability?

[Verbal]

I'm pretty sure by saying "I respt his difficulities and how he has to deal with them" is indirectly referring to his disability.

It's like me saying "Shievonne deserved to stay longer than Deana because Shievonne is black and black people have it harder in the real world than Asians do".

That's not what i'm saying. You are putting words in my mouth. Take what I say as read. There is no hidden meaning to be taken out of it.

[Verbal]

But if he didn't have a disability, you wouldn't support him as he wouldn't be dealing with anything. Correct?

Sam went into BB knowing that he'd hav a harder time than the other housemates, but he should also be treated equally just as every other housemate is.

If Gina and Sophie (2 other harmless housemates) both had hearing difficulties and they had to deal with them in the house, would you support them too?

Yes, yes and yes (if they dealt with them in similar ways)

I've given you my reasoning in a simple sentence. What is so hard to understand about that, I don't quite know.

[Kyle]

Then in theory you like Callum and Gina as they are the two housmates that give him the most time of day and understanding to his disability?

Perhaps, I quite liked Callum anyway but I doubt Ginas sincerity at times.

But here we are again going on about his disability, we should put that aside for once and understand Sam for who he is. He might not be the most active housemate but some people can relate to his personality and demeanour and that's totally fine in my book.

[Headie]

Yes, yes and yes (if they dealt with them in similar ways)

I've given you my reasoning in a simple sentence. What is so hard to understand about that, I don't quite know.

There's nothing to find hard to understand at all. It's just the fact that you are blatantly denying supporting Sam beause of his disability when you clearly stated that if he didn't have a hearing disability and didn't have to deal with it then you wouldn't support him.

[Verbal]

There's nothing to find hard to understand at all. It's just the fact that you are blatantly denying supporting Sam beause of his disability when you clearly stated that if he didn't have a hearing disability and didn't have to deal with it then you wouldn't support him.

I respect the way he is dealing with his issues in this life, in this context, not in some imaginary world where he isnt dealing with them.

I don't know what other way I can say it.

I'm done with this thread, i'm out.

[Kyle]

listen its simple really, I like Sam because I find him easy to relate to, he is a lot like me and far less egotistical than the rest of them. I am not supporting him because I think it is sad that he is deaf but that's up to you whether you want to accept my reasoning or not. If you don't then I'm sorry but it's not my problem anymore.

That's all there is to it.

[Benjamin]

listen its simple really, I like Sam because I find him easy to relate to, he is a lot like me and far less egotistical than the rest of them. I am not supporting him because I think it is sad that he is deaf but that's up to you whether you want to accept it or not. If you don't then I'm sorry but it's not my problem anymore.

That's all there is to it

-felt like I was reading a book for those hard of seeing-

[DanaC]

The expanding winkie jest was one line weeks ago but that gets rolled out as the prime example of his humour.

There've been loads of one liners that have made me laugh. I think my favourite was 'he's so rude he'd make an onion cry'.

His humour is mainly low key and easy to miss if you aren't looking out for it. He has an excellent way with words.

For all that he's young and there are lots of things he doesn't know, on raw intelligence I think he's one of the cleverest people in there. Not clever as in games player, but clever as in astute.



@CynicalHermit: I've got a lovely brick wall over here if you fancy bashing your head against it awhile?

[hijaxers]

people mocking his speech etc.:hugesmile:

Well i've said more than once that i cannot understand what he says more often than not - Not mocking just being honest

[Jack_]

He's a nice lad and we'd probably get on in real life but this is a TV show and he's been dull as ******, he'd be one of the worst ever winners if he were to do it

It's just so hilarious...sit on your arse all summer and contribute ****** all to an entertainment show and walk off with £100k and effectively the title of the best housemate of the series...yeah, right...

[MTVN]

If it's a Sam-Gina final two I want him to win just cos it'll be funny

[Pink Pegasus]

I liked his friendship with Callum.
I would have been happy for Callum to win but definitely not Sam.
Not going to support him just because he happened to be good friends with my fav who was evicted. He was a good friend but a very boring housemate who I feel deliberately holds back a lot just to make it to the final and probably win. I would prefer to see more of a potential winner, their emotions, their good sides and their bad sides. Sam is just one dimensional and not a deserving winner imo.

I don't know who I want to win now. I like Gina but don't actually really care who wins now.
I don't really want Sophie or Sam to win though.

[Spoon]

Is he nice? According to Digital Spy posters, a Welsh phrase he taught Gina means, "I like sleeping with pigs." Another one of his hilarious jokes. Perhaps he and the twins can go on a comedy tour of each-other's homes, the likeliest places where their humour is considered funny. He's constantly saying rude, patronizing, and snide things. You can't tell a thing by looks but maybe some people think floppy hair = nice. :shrug:

[KingOfTheMods]

He's a knob.