Is this a one sided game.

[sampvt]

For weeks now Dexter, Gina and now Charlie have been mugging the other HM,s with extremely well thought out and well executed plans and they are revered for it. Some of their tactics have been at best questionable but they have a loyal fan base for it.

Now Sam has decided to waken up and have a go himself and all we are hearing is that he is a yob, slob and lowlife. I was under the illusion this was a game and any method of expediting a game plan is acceptable so why is this not the same for Sam.

The reports and posts we have been reading and making about Dexter for weeks now have been what they were, but now the same type of posts are materialising about Sam and its all wrong. I guess we all are guilty of being fans and look at certain things a little different depending on our allegiances.

Nobody plays the game the same way, so lets see who will win then we can all switch off and forget about BB till next Thursday when it all starts up again and me and chuff pick our winners which will never be the choice of other members, that's what makes this forum interesting. If it was kiss ass it would be boring.

[Kyle]

For weeks now Dexter, Gina and now Charlie have been mugging the other HM,s with extremely well thought out and well executed plans and they are revered for it. Some of their tactics have been at best questionable but they have a loyal fan base for it.

Now Sam has decided to waken up and have a go himself and all we are hearing is that he is a yob, slob and lowlife. I was under the illusion this was a game and any method of expediting a game plan is acceptable so why is this not the same for Sam.

The reports and posts we have been reading and making about Dexter for weeks now have been what they were, but now the same type of posts are materialising about Sam and its all wrong. I guess we all are guilty of being fans and look at certain things a little different depending on our allegiances.

Nobody plays the game the same way, so lets see who will win then we can all switch off and forget about BB till next Thursday when it all starts up again and me and chuff pick our winners which will never be the choice of other members, that's what makes this forum interesting. If it was kiss ass it would be boring.

I wouldn't worry about it, the vast majority of people who watch big brother won't read these forums, a few angry Dexter fans chucking out derogatory terms ain't gonna make a whole lot of difference.

[sampvt]

Seems to me that if one man can fight unfair, then the same must be allowed of the other, or am I wrong.

[Kyle]

Seems to me that if one man can fight unfair, then the same must be allowed of the other, or am I wrong.

Not on here mate Dexter bias runs rife through this forum, most of the banned members are Sam fans.

[Josy]

Not on here mate Dexter bias runs rife through this forum, most of the banned members are Sam fans.

Oh seriously give it a rest, the people that are banned ended up in that position for breaking the forum rules, it doesn't matter who they support in BB, so stop with these pathetic claims of bias when you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Videostar]

Using emotional blackmail about disabled children in order to gain votes so that he can profit to the tune of £100.000 is far worse than anything the others might be doing.

BTW, on opening night in before entering the house Sam told Emma Willis that "he wants to be a role model for deaf children" so he was playing the game even before he stepped foot in the house, he's not just suddenly playing the game he's been doing it throughout.

[the_answers]

For weeks now Dexter, Gina and now Charlie have been mugging the other HM,s with extremely well thought out and well executed plans and they are revered for it. Some of their tactics have been at best questionable but they have a loyal fan base for it.

Now Sam has decided to waken up and have a go himself and all we are hearing is that he is a yob, slob and lowlife.
If people used those terms against Sam then maybe they shouldn't be so nasty.
But equally there's nothing wrong with questioning people's behaviour especially if they make the claim they're just being themselves.

Same goes for Dexter, I'm not biased.

I was under the illusion this was a game and any method of expediting a game plan is acceptable so why is this not the same for Sam.
It is !
But you have to look past the "gameplaying" and look to their true character and positive traits when they're in there just being themselves too.
No-one is gameplaying ALL the time.

But equally if they ARE, their true character sometimes comes out.

We'll never know but that's how many saw Dex with the twist.
I take a slightly different view about the whole event now though.

The reports and posts we have been reading and making about Dexter for weeks now have been what they were, but now the same type of posts are materialising about Sam and its all wrong. I guess we all are guilty of being fans and look at certain things a little different depending on our allegiances.

Nobody plays the game the same way, so lets see who will win then we can all switch off and forget about BB till next Thursday when it all starts up again and me and chuff pick our winners which will never be the choice of other members, that's what makes this forum interesting. If it was kiss ass it would be boring.
Good points.
I like to think I try to be impartial but like everyone I'm sure I'm not perfect.

I actually think Sam coming 3rd(at least) in the vote is one of the best things that could have happened to the show.

May the best HM win.

[CaudleHalbard]

Using emotional blackmail about disabled children in order to gain votes so that he can profit to the tune of £100.000 is far worse than anything the others might be doing.

BTW, on opening night in before entering the house Sam told Emma Willis that "he wants to be a role model for deaf children" so he was playing the game even before he stepped foot in the house, he's not just suddenly playing the game he's been doing it throughout.


Well said. Sam is stooping very low.

He is desperate to win the prize for himself. Nothing wrong with that per se, but to try and emotionally blackmail everyone into giving him the money is the behaviour of scum.

Don't let the Llanelli Lager Lout get away with this.

[Josy]

In what way is Sam emotionally blackmailing people? genuinely curious?

[Videostar]

In what way is Sam emotionally blackmailing people? genuinely curious?

I posted the reasons why...tugging on peoples heart strings by constantly mentioning deaf children is clearly using emotional blackmail and has nothing to do with why he's in that house...like everyone else he wants the prize money.

[Videostar]

Well said. Sam is stooping very low.

He is desperate to win the prize for himself. Nothing wrong with that per se, but to try and emotionally blackmail everyone into giving him the money is the behaviour of scum.

Don't let the Llanelli Lager Lout get away with this.

Agreed...and the bottom line is (which is more important than anything else) Sam is boring, he cant even tell a joke properly...everything about him is sub standard as a HM worthy of winning a life changing amount of money.

[Johnnyuk123]

For weeks now Dexter, Gina and now Charlie have been mugging the other HM,s with extremely well thought out and well executed plans and they are revered for it. Some of their tactics have been at best questionable but they have a loyal fan base for it.

Now Sam has decided to waken up and have a go himself and all we are hearing is that he is a yob, slob and lowlife. I was under the illusion this was a game and any method of expediting a game plan is acceptable so why is this not the same for Sam.

The reports and posts we have been reading and making about Dexter for weeks now have been what they were, but now the same type of posts are materialising about Sam and its all wrong. I guess we all are guilty of being fans and look at certain things a little different depending on our allegiances.

Nobody plays the game the same way, so lets see who will win then we can all switch off and forget about BB till next Thursday when it all starts up again and me and chuff pick our winners which will never be the choice of other members, that's what makes this forum interesting. If it was kiss ass it would be boring.

When you speak about Dexter you explain yourself as if it is factual. But then talking about Sam you say it is all wrong like Sam himself is being wronged by Dexter and his fans. That is biased in my book but to be fair you are entitled to your opinion as am i. But i do see that as a biased opinion reading it here. my choice to think that and thats all it is.

If you look on my profile it's clearly shows i'm a Gina fan. I also like a few of the housemates this year but still have Gina on my profile as my choice. So my opinions on Sam have nothing to do with Dexter. My opinions on Sam are simply that i am watching him single out a housemate over and over telling anyone who will listen what a bad person they are who does not deserve to be in the final. I don't like seeing that and i have also seen the many sexist remarks from Sam which again i do not like, women should not be spoken to or about in that way at all. And neither should he badger a housemate a day before the finals about the merits of him being there when that housemate has survived 9 evictions.He can't even say well done to him that's how bitter he is.But again that is just my opinion on what i see on the tv and the live feed.

[Josy]

I posted the reasons why...tugging on peoples heart strings by constantly mentioning deaf children is clearly using emotional blackmail and has nothing to do with why he's in that house...like everyone else he wants the prize money.

He doesn't constantly mention deaf children though, don't you think that's an exaggeration?

He says he wants to change his career and work with deaf children, set an example to show them they can still do the things they want etc.

He has never said he would give the prize fund to charity and I would certainly expect him to keep dropping lines like that if he was going for a sympathy vote.

[the_answers]

To be honest, I think it's just whether you feel he's genuine enough about it.

I won't hold him being a lager lout (if true) against him in there.
But equally I'll look to see how hard he's trying to promote these deafness issues inside the house.

In a way he can't win if he constantly bangs on about.
But I've yet to learn anything about deafness issues even if he's raised awareness by being there.

I know it's not easy for him but I do honestly think there's some truth in the sympathy card as was seen in the twist task where he dithered about trying to act the good guy.

Not saying he's a bad person but being deaf doesn't automatically mean he must be good either.

[CaudleHalbard]

In what way is Sam emotionally blackmailing people? genuinely curious?

He has repeatedly mentioned he is in BB as a role model for deaf and disabled kids. He is trying to tug our heartstrings.

We know a little bit about what the REAL Sam is like now. An anti-social nuisance in his community. Some role model! :rolleyes:

He is an aggressive loutish character but has kept that under wraps by sleeping his way through 90% of the series. Now when we are coming to the end and he's fearful of not getting what he sees is rightfully his, he's turning aggressively on the person who he feels may get the cash he thinks has been earmarked for him from Day 1.

[sampvt]

A game and a game plan differs depending on your morality scale and I am still believing that sams game plan is far less evil than some of the others. His GP is direct and very easy to see. Dexters and indeed Gina and Charlies depends on stealth, deception and lies. Its up to you to decide who is the winner in the GP stakes.

[Johnnyuk123]

He doesn't constantly mention deaf children though, don't you think that's an exaggeration?

He says he wants to change his career and work with deaf children, set an example to show them they can still do the things they want etc.

He has never said he would give the prize fund to charity and I would certainly expect him to keep dropping lines like that if he was going for a sympathy vote.

Actually Sam recently said on one VT that he will give 25% of it to charity. He didn't say which one but he did say that much.

[sampvt]

When you speak about Dexter you explain yourself as if it is factual. But then talking about Sam you say it is all wrong like Sam himself is being wronged by Dexter and his fans. That is biased in my book but to be fair you are entitled to your opinion as am i. But i do see that as a biased opinion reading it here. my choice to think that and thats all it is.

If you look on my profile it's clearly shows i'm a Gina fan. I also like a few of the housemates this year but still have Gina on my profile as my choice. So my opinions on Sam have nothing to do with Dexter. My opinions on Sam are simply that i am watching him single out a housemate over and over telling anyone who will listen what a bad person they are who does not deserve to be in the final. I don't like seeing that and i have also seen the many sexist remarks from Sam which again i do not like, women should not be spoken to or about in that way at all. And neither should he badger a housemate a day before the finals about the merits of him being there when that housemate has survived 9 evictions.He can't even say well done to him that's how bitter he is.But again that is just my opinion on what i see on the tv and the live feed.

So by that definition you think that what Gina did and said to Hazel was ok then, I am confused.

[Josy]

He has repeatedly mentioned he is in BB as a role model for deaf and disabled kids. He is trying to tug our heartstrings.

We know a little bit about what the REAL Sam is like now. An anti-social nuisance in his community. Some role model! :rolleyes:

He is an aggressive loutish character but has kept that under wraps by sleeping his way through 90% of the series. Now when we are coming to the end and he's fearful of not getting what he sees is rightfully his, he's turning aggressively on the person who he feels may get the cash he thinks has been earmarked for him from Day 1.

I'm not even going to debate a story that came from a ****ty newspaper..

Ok so lets swing this emotional blackmail stuff around then...

Dexter has said if he wins he would give most of the money to charity, Gina has said she will give it all to charity, are they emotionally blackmailing viewers too then?

Also Dexter is always dropping words and phrases he knows the public will pick up on like personal journey, his experience, changing for the better because of BB and then getting all emotional, is this also a sign of emotional blackmail?

[Johnnyuk123]

So by that definition you think that what Gina did and said to Hazel was ok then, I am confused.

What has Gina got to do with my post about Sam's poor behavior towards a housemate?
I'm confused too.

Hazel left and is no longer in the running.

[Josy]

[/B]

Actually Sam recently said on one VT that he will give 25% of it to charity. He didn't say which one but he did say that much.

Fair enough, I haven't seen that vt though or I don't recall it.

But the discussion I was having with the other 2 members was about what they say/do in the house that could be seen as emotional blackmail....

[sampvt]

What has Gina got to do with my post about Sam's poor behavior towards a housemate?
I'm confused too.

Hazel left and is no longer in the running.

Your post infers that women should not be spoken to or abused like that. So are you saying that another woman saying these horrible things is ok as long as its to another woman.

[Johnnyuk123]

Fair enough, I haven't seen that vt though or I don't recall it.

But the discussion I was having with the other 2 members was about what they say/do in the house that could be seen as emotional blackmail....

It was a recent one where they all gave a speech to win the show i think.
He also said he'd give his mom 25% and keep the rest for himself.

[smudgie]

He doesn't constantly mention deaf children though, don't you think that's an exaggeration?

He says he wants to change his career and work with deaf children, set an example to show them they can still do the things they want etc.

He has never said he would give the prize fund to charity and I would certainly expect him to keep dropping lines like that if he was going for a sympathy vote.

:worship:

Thank goodness I am not the only be that sees it this way.

[anne666]

Why didn't Sam moralise at Hazel and Daley re the GF? That would have been very interesting LOL This really is scraping the barrel and I used to support him. Schoolyard behaviour from the humourless, integrity lacking dross. Gina a friend to Dexter NOT ! The dross are all terrified Dexter is getting more airtime, they said as much. Has anyone else ever behaved in such an appalling manner in the final few days? It's now bullying IMO. I now consider Sam to be a moronic, cowardly yob and am so disappointed.

[Johnnyuk123]

:worship:

Thank goodness I am not the only be that sees it this way.

I'm sorry but Josy is incorrect on the last comment about he has never said he will give money to charity. He did say that in his final speech VT. he will give 25% to charity. Also why say that then and not wait until he leaves the house and if he has won then announce it like Craig did on BB1?

[Josy]

I'm sorry but Josy is incorrect on the last comment about he has never said he will give money to charity. He did say that in his final speech VT. he will give 25% to charity.

That clip will probably be shown tonight..

The point in my post still stands though, he doesn't constantly bring up deaf children like some have suggested.

And even now he has said he would give some to charity, he isn't the only housemate to have said that.

[the_answers]

A game and a game plan differs depending on your morality scale and I am still believing that sams game plan is far less evil than some of the others. His GP is direct and very easy to see. Dexters and indeed Gina and Charlies depends on stealth, deception and lies. Its up to you to decide who is the winner in the GP stakes.
Some good points in there and it's certainly worth some thought.
Although if you're playing the good guy one moment and the aggressor (not saying he is but we'll see) later then you've changed your gameplan and it's arguably the same (though I don't necessarily see it as bad or evil)

Difference and trouble with Sam is, there are external moral issues from the outside world being dragged in.
Whether they should be is all up for debate.

But if you're playing the straight man on a moral platform, expect to be questioned for your GP whether you should or shouldn't be judged.

Although it's fair to note, Sam made an issue of them by taking them into the house.

That's why I prefer to focus on people's tactics and if they're playing their game well than jumping on any moral high horse.

[Johnnyuk123]

That clip will probably be shown tonight..

The point in my post still stands though, he doesn't constantly bring up deaf children like some have suggested.

And even now he has said he would give some to charity, he isn't the only housemate to have said that.

He does bring up the subject yes, but i wouldn't say constantly. He would be best not to bring it up in the finals stages cos it's only gonna be seen one way.

[anne666]

He has repeatedly mentioned he is in BB as a role model for deaf and disabled kids. He is trying to tug our heartstrings.

We know a little bit about what the REAL Sam is like now. An anti-social nuisance in his community. Some role model! :rolleyes:

He is an aggressive loutish character but has kept that under wraps by sleeping his way through 90% of the series. Now when we are coming to the end and he's fearful of not getting what he sees is rightfully his, he's turning aggressively on the person who he feels may get the cash he thinks has been earmarked for him from Day 1.

This

[Videostar]

Does it really matter who does what with the prize money if they win? why does anyone care about that?

This isn't a charity fund raising programme, this is an entertainment show, the best HM should win.

BTW, I don't believe for one second that Sam will give the money to charity.

[the_answers]

That clip will probably be shown tonight..

The point in my post still stands though, he doesn't constantly bring up deaf children like some have suggested.
Well perhaps he should.
Then we could learn something of use about these deafness issues.
If his gameplan was to raise awareness then has he put enough effort in ?

And even now he has said he would give some to charity, he isn't the only housemate to have said that.
Fair enough but he also said he didn't want the money.

I wouldn't say he's an 'immorral hypocrite' or anything, just that his gameplan's been busted somewhat. (although hey, who's hasn't ?)

[cfromhx02]

People referring to Sam being a bully and being against him for saying he'd give some of his money to charity are a bit rich.

Haven't Dexter and Gina been lying about others and setting them up to be evicted all series.

That's why the others have had to stay quiet, Dexter and Gina's tactics of lying about and trying to turn people against their opponents has led to some, who were wise enough to stay quiet to avoid being set up for eviction, that has led others to be boring.

Now that's what I call bullying and now that the most honest and decent one who stayed quiet till he was able to speak up and not get evicted like all the others they targeted and got evicted IE Sallie,Jemima etc everyone really is speaking up he is ironically being accused of the same things Gina and Dexter have been up to and worshipped for all series.

Like I've said as has been witnessed everytime anyone stood up to them Gina and Dexter got them evicted, it shows who the real bullies are and it shows that bullies are good at giving out s**t to their opponents but can't take it and whinge when it comes back

[sampvt]

On the question of giving money away to charity......I don't have a hotline to mystic meg and neither do other FM,s so why are we accusing these HM,s of lying. Maybe Gina and Dexter will take the money and run and Sam might give it all away. Who are we to accuse or suggest who is wrong without evidence. Isnt that what Dexter and ginas supporters have been saying all along....IE We don't care about outside the house or even things that cant be proved. I see no argument about what or who will do after the show is finished so we don't reserve the right to slag them off devoid of evidence.

[the_answers]

Does it really matter who does what with the prize money if they win? why does anyone care about that?
It's a great point !

But if people like Sam say they don't want the money one moment and then claim they do, you start to wonder if their gameplan has been rumbled.

[Josy]

Well perhaps he should.
Then we could learn something of use about these deafness issues.
If his gameplan was to raise awareness then has he put enough effort in ?


Fair enough but he also said he didn't want the money.

I wouldn't say he's an 'immorral hypocrite' or anything, just that his gameplan's been busted somewhat. (although hey, who's hasn't ?)

He said he didn't want the money during the pay off task...

[Josy]

Does it really matter who does what with the prize money if they win? why does anyone care about that?

This isn't a charity fund raising programme, this is an entertainment show, the best HM should win.

BTW, I don't believe for one second that Sam will give the money to charity.

Its a reality game show, not an entertainment show.

[anne666]

Will someone just tell me that Sam is not a coward by not saying the same thing to Daley?

[Videostar]

Its a reality game show, not an entertainment show.

No, it stopped being a reality TV show when most of the HM's had agents and have been on TV game shows in the past.

[Tinsel Toes]

Seems to me that if one man can fight unfair, then the same must be allowed of the other, or am I wrong.

Yes exactly - thats why Sam should shut his gob and get on with it ! instead of going on and on and on like a tramps overcoat about Dexter and his game playing - oh yeah Sam yer just being yourself !! Har de har

[sampvt]

Seems to me like the volume of anti sam comments on here must give him the crown of being the most lethal game player, ergo, the one that should win seeing as how we are all talking about sam now not Dexter. Has Dexter been dethroned.

[the_answers]

He said he didn't want the money during the pay off task...
See what you're getting at but it still makes you wonder.

"Right, let get one thing straight, I don't want the money" was the very first thing he said.

He didn't NEED to mention it at all and could have just said he wanted to stay. (which tbf he did)

So it's not unthinkable he really did want the money (as we've later seen)

As I said, nothing wrong with wanting the money but I'm looking for consistency.

If he went with a "genuine good guy" game plan then for me, there's a few doubts about it now.

If he's gonna be walk away with the cash for being this altruistic good guy, then I may have a problem with it when his behaviour and actions don't show consistency.
For example - why did he not pick up the twins for THEIR decision to take the money ?

[anne666]

No, it stopped being a reality TV show when most of the HM's had agents and have been on TV game shows in the past.

Yes and hasn't it all been to the detriment of the show ?Desperate fame seekers, of the "I deserve it despite being devoid of any discernible talent " generation.

[anne666]

Yes exactly - thats why Sam should shut his gob and get on with it ! instead of going on and on and on like a tramps overcoat about Dexter and his game playing - oh yeah Sam yer just being yourself !! Har de har

He has NOTHING else to offer apart from believing he was entertaining us whilst asleep and very effectively absorbing Callums opinions when he did manage to be awake. Does he, have I missed something ?Someone please enlighten me, what has he actually done ?