A flaw in the game?

[Roy Mars III]

Besides Aaron (and that was mostly due to facebook voting tbh) a controversial and entertaining housemate has never really won Big Brother, at least not in recent years. This is a major problem because if people want to win the 100k they have to play a similar game to what Sam, Luke A, etc have played and remain uncontroversial *cough* boring *cough*. If you were an upcoming housemate with any general knowledge of past shows, you would know this as well. So it is actually smarter for them to play low radar and not cause any conflict/entertainment. This leads to a more boring show, but you can hardly blame the housemates for it since they most likely went on the show to win the money.

Is there any way to fix this problem, or are you happy that a 'good' person usually wins at the end, no matter if they appeared on HL shows an average of 2 mins per episode.

And what does it mean for future seasons when this type of gameplay is rewarded every single year?

[Kyle]

Just shows that even in a game show the public don't tolerate sly and sneaky people. It would be like wanting the bad guys to win in the next batman film. :dance:

[Niamh.]

The solution is to bring back the FB voting, I don't get why they stopped it tbh. I don't mind nice people winning if they're entertaining (Brian Dowling BB2) but that's a rarity it seems. Nice usually equals not very interesting to watch

[Ramsay]

Bring back them facebook votes and vote to save

[reece(:]

Yes, bring back FB voting or VTS. If not, let BB flop hard.

[Roy Mars III]

Just shows that even in a game show the public don't tolerate sly and sneaky people. It would be like wanting the bad guys to win in the next batman film. :dance:

but why does the public shot itself in the foot time and time again by voting for the bores and then will go onto complain a show is boring?

[Niamh.]

Bring back them facebook votes and vote to save

Yeah, can't believe they changed it to 3+ with the most votes but then switched back to VTE http://www.curioustopic.com/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

[Kyle]

but why does the public shot itself in the foot time and time again by voting for the bores and then will go onto complain a show is boring?

Nobody's complained you can't make things like that up, plenty of nice guys have won before and I enjoyed this big brother.

Don't worry yourself, big brother will always put nasty people in the house that won't ever change.

[Roy Mars III]

I think public voting should be thrown out all together, and a select few Big Brother knowledgeable people should be put on a council that goes on to pick a evictee/winner based of a complex formula of entrainment value

[Ramsay]

Yeah, can't believe they changed it to 3+ with the most votes but then switched back to VTE http://www.curioustopic.com/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

They are like half way going in the right direction with at least 3+ people up every week..just need that little extra push to make it VTS...they probably make more money on VTE though

[smeagol]

its a massive flaw, if sam wasn't deaf he wouldn't of won and wouldn't of even made the final. being a bore wont mean your win you need to have a medical problem of some kind
as well.

sad it is. ruins the whole show. when you know the winner from the vt on launch nights

i hate bores the world is full of them though. i got to concerts and im the only one dancing lol 100k people all bores. mind you thats before the band starts lol

[karezza]

They need to be more careful with the housemate selection process. No more Sam types.

[Withano]

I don't think that its a problem, the people you described made it to the last day.

I'd always take the nice guy over the nasty guy to win 100k, regardless of if they're my favourite or not.

If the prize of BB14 was the title of Big Brother winner alone, Sam wouldn't have won. People just didn't want to reward nastiness with money.

[Ramsay]

i'd LOVE to see them do the US format for even just a year

[Roy Mars III]

Nobody's complained you can't make things like that up, plenty of nice guys have won before and I enjoyed this big brother.

Don't worry yourself, big brother will always put nasty people in the house that won't ever change.

people complain that it is boring all the time, after the controversial housemates go. It has happened for the past 10 plus years

[Tregard]

Just shows that even in a game show the public don't tolerate sly and sneaky people. It would be like wanting the bad guys to win in the next batman film. :dance:

There are no good guys or bad guys though, it's just a house of people who like or don't like each other. If you do relatively little, you can't be too disliked by the public or other housemates to get evicted. Being interesting is a deterrent to winning, not an aid, as it should be.

[Kyle]

people complain that it is boring all the time, after the controversial housemates go. It has happened for the past 10 plus years

We'll see....

[Roy Mars III]

They need to be more careful with the housemate selection process. No more Sam types.

Sam had an okay story and was actually funny, they had no way of knowing that he would sleep 20 hours a day

[Roy Mars III]

i'd LOVE to see them do the US format for even just a year

it would be great

[Josy]

Not everyone cares that much about controversial housemates, I really wish people would stop acting if that's the be all and end all off Big Brother.

It's all good watching them throughout the show but I have not one problem when it comes to nicer housemates taking the win, this series was still great regardless of the winner.

[Kyle]

There are no good guys or bad guys though, it's just a house of people who like or don't like each other. If you do relatively little, you can't be too disliked by the public or other housemates to get evicted. Being interesting is a deterrent to winning, not an aid, as it should be.

No it's not, do you think the public pick the most boring housemate repeatedly just to piss you off?

Very good though i might add that to the top 5 best excuses list.

[Niamh.]

I don't think that its a problem, the people you described made it to the last day.

I'd always take the nice guy over the nasty guy to win 100k, regardless of if they're my favourite or not.

If the prize of BB14 was the title of Big Brother winner alone, Sam wouldn't have won. People just didn't want to reward nastiness with money.

That's an interesting post, I wonder if there were two different votes in the final 5, one for winner of the Prize fund and one for Winner of the title, would we see two different people win?

[karezza]

Sam had an okay story and was actually funny, they had no way of knowing that he would sleep 20 hours a day

Welsh + disability spells trouble to me. I wouldn't have selected him.

[Roy Mars III]

Welsh + disability spells trouble to me. I wouldn't have selected him.

well, yes, I would outlaw all Welsh people from applying in the future

[Kate!]

Welsh + disability spells trouble to me. I wouldn't have selected him.

do you have to be so offensive?

[Jesus.]

What you have to realise about the British (and Niamh), is that we have, built within our DNA, a history of public floggings and executions.

We get blood lust and lose our minds. We'd rather throw cabbages and tomatoes at a "baddie" for one night, than provide ourselves with 3 months of entertainment.

We let ourselves down continually when it comes to this attitude, and ruin the show year after year.

[Kyle]

What you have to realise about the British (and Niamh), is that we have, built within our DNA, a history of public floggings and executions.

We get blood lust and lose our minds. We'd rather throw cabbages and tomatoes at a "baddie" for one night, than provide ourselves with 3 months of entertainment.

We let ourselves down continually when it comes to this attitude, and ruin the show year after year.

Yes how dare we like nice people. How very nice of us.

[Ramsay]

but yes the quiet, background character gameplan seems to be a hit
i know i'd do it if i went in and i'm sure many future housemates will think the same which is a shame

[Roy Mars III]

What you have to realise about the British (and Niamh), is that we have, built within our DNA, a history of public floggings and executions.

We get blood lust and lose our minds. We'd rather throw cabbages and tomatoes at a "baddie" for one night, than provide ourselves with 3 months of entertainment.

We let ourselves down continually when it comes to this attitude, and ruin the show year after year.

the public are basically sabotaging their own show, no wonder you guys lost all your world power and are now irrelevant

[Jesus.]

the public are basically sabotaging their own show, no wonder you guys lost all your world power and are now irrelevant

I agree. We should never have given the brown people their countries back.

[Tregard]

No it's not, do you think the public pick the most boring housemate repeatedly just to piss you off?

Very good though i might add that to the top 5 best excuses list.

What? This isn't an excuse, it happens all the time. Housemates that do relatively little won't get nominated, and if they do, they won't be evicted. Then when they get through to the final, they normally win because every decent HM has been evicted (See BB10 and BB11). For me personally, Sam's win was probably down to a mix of the vote between Gina and Dexter being split and the fact a lot of watchers found him attractive.

It's much harder to be disliked for doing nothing than to be disliked for doing something, you cannot deny that, surely?

[Kyle]

the public are basically sabotaging their own show, no wonder you guys lost all your world power and are now irrelevant

Another ignorant yank trying to make Brits feel pathetic, concentrate on your own country's troubles before trying to point out ours.

[Roy Mars III]

but yes the quiet, background character gameplan seems to be a hit
i know i'd do it if i went in and i'm sure many future housemates will think the same which is a shame

to be fair, the same happens in BBUS and Survirvor were a bitter jury votes for the boring useless person because the other one beat them all through their superior knowledge and strategy (Russel Hantz in Survivor, or Dan in BB)

[Roy Mars III]

Another ignorant yank trying to make Brits feel pathetic, concentrate on your own country's troubles before trying to point out ours.

the United States has no problems

[billy123]

i'd LOVE to see them do the US format for even just a yearGod no BBUS is pathetic. If people want to watch that trash they can.

[Ramsay]

yeah, ian beating dan was ridiculous

[Kyle]

the United States has no problems

I rest my case.

[Roy Mars III]

I agree. We should never have given the brown people their countries back.

i wouldn't have

[Joelle.]

I don't think that its a problem, the people you described made it to the last day.

I'd always take the nice guy over the nasty guy to win 100k, regardless of if they're my favourite or not.

If the prize of BB14 was the title of Big Brother winner alone, Sam wouldn't have won. People just didn't want to reward nastiness with money.

Oh he would have won anyway. I very much doubt anyone is thinking about who they would most like to win the money when they vote. The voting public just love a bore, preferably one with a disability or who has had gender reassignment.

[Jesus.]

Yes how dare we like nice people. How very nice of us.

Eviction nights on BB are about "evicting the baddie". They are never about keeping the entertainment in (at least with VTE).

Like any housemates you want, it's no concern of mine. I haven't really had a favourite this year - I liked Charlie at the start for a few weeks, then lost a bit of interest, and I've been increasingly favoring Dexter over the last couple of weeks, but I haven't slagged off any other HM's off, and have been fairly ambivalent to all of them.

I'm just trying to provide Roy with a reason that we like our pound of flesh on eviction night.

[Roy Mars III]

yeah, ian beating dan was ridiculous

the final straw with my disdain of BBUS

[Niamh.]

but yes the quiet, background character gameplan seems to be a hit
i know i'd do it if i went in and i'm sure many future housemates will think the same which is a shame

You'd be nice and funny though Karl without even meaning it :laugh:

[Ramsay]

You'd be nice and funny though Karl without even meaning it :laugh:

the dirty north-west accent would win everyone over:joker:

[Roy Mars III]

karl would be like Eugene in BB6

[karezza]

The problem is that the British public is a sentimental moron. To win Big Brother you have to appeal to that sentimental moron.

[Ramsay]

ah here, i'm not that bad!

[Niamh.]

the dirty north-west accent would win everyone over:joker:

Absolutely :love:

karl would be like Eugene in BB6

Eugene was my favourite HM from BB6 :pipe:

[billy123]

The mistake people who use bb forums make is to think they are a representitive sample of big brother fans when we arent at all not even close.
We are extremist examples of fans who look far more into what happens in the house and what type of people are in there which is why forum polls are usually so wide of the mark when it comes to what the audience really think.
Somebody was working out last night that between the big brother forums we account for something like 0.02% of the audience.
We have no influence whatsoever.

[Roy Mars III]

Eugene was my favourite HM from BB6 :pipe:

no surprise there

[Brother Leon]

Doing what Sam and Luke A done doesn't work if you don't have a story. You end up a bore out first in the final otherwise.

[JayBlaze]

#Tears4Dexterfans

[Kazanne]

Sam had an okay story and was actually funny, they had no way of knowing that he would sleep 20 hours a day

But that's the thing he didn't ,BB prefered to show the showmance and the Hazel and Daley thing,I actually saw the others in bed much more than Sam ,most nights he was in the pool or chatting to others in the garden,but BB were so desperate to get the showmance some of the others were left behind.

[Niamh.]

no surprise there

Wonderful :love:

[Northern Monkey]

There will always be "big characters" in there who just wanna show off on TV wether they win or not.People always want to show off their "talents" and eccentricities to us.They all think they're gonna be the next Jade Goody and make a million.You won't ever get a house full of nice people.BB deliberately select a fair share of idiots to keep us entertained.This is a total non issue.
Edit-Infact this needs its own thread

[Jimrod]

I think people just overestimate the importance of their own views, just because you like someone it doesn't mean everyone else is wrong as seems to be the case in many of these recent threads. ie: "Real fans don't vote for Sympathy Sam" etc. also note that putting derogatory remark before contestant name doesn't win help your argument. (This happens in all anti-Callum/Sam threads constantly but less often with Anti-Dexter ones, says something about the fan type I guess)

Nothing to do with dull vs controversial housemates either - I wanted Aaron to win and I also wanted Sam to win, I, like many rational people who vote on BB (rather than spend all day ranting/promoting/slagging off on forums) choose who to support based on my own opinion rather than having a "type" and getting swept up with hype.

[Pincho Paxton]

a controversial and entertaining housemate has never really won Big Brother

...On Channel 5. And that is because there hasn't been any.

[Niamh.]

...On Channel 5. And that is because there hasn't been any.

Aaron was and has done

[pcro]

Besides Aaron (and that was mostly due to facebook voting tbh) a controversial and entertaining housemate has never really won Big Brother, at least not in recent years. This is a major problem because if people want to win the 100k they have to play a similar game to what Sam, Luke A, etc have played and remain uncontroversial *cough* boring *cough*. If you were an upcoming housemate with any general knowledge of past shows, you would know this as well. So it is actually smarter for them to play low radar and not cause any conflict/entertainment. This leads to a more boring show, but you can hardly blame the housemates for it since they most likely went on the show to win the money.

Is there any way to fix this problem, or are you happy that a 'good' person usually wins at the end, no matter if they appeared on HL shows an average of 2 mins per episode.

And what does it mean for future seasons when this type of gameplay is rewarded every single year?

Aaron won becasue of vote to save. Without it he would have been out week early on. Luke A made it through because of the particular dynamics of that series plus the vote to save. The complete and utter split in the house between the insiders and outsiders and the public siding overwhelmingly with the outsiders. And, like Gina this year, Deanna wore out her welcome in the late running last year.

Crap ending this year but good series over all. And to be fair, Sam was very nearly out on Friday which would have set up a magnificent ending. In the final, he was aided by the fact that Gina and Dexter votes were split.

The fix is simple. Vote to Save with at least three housemantes up. Its not fool proof. But its a big step.

[Scream]

What's the difference between FB voting and normal voting btw?

[Northern Monkey]

What's the difference between FB voting and normal voting btw?

Easier to rig the results with FB voting,Prob why they got rid of it.One big community spamming millions of votes at one person.

[Tregard]

What's the difference between FB voting and normal voting btw?

Cheaper, could vote numberous times in one go at a cheaper price.

Did allow people to monopolise the voting, I won't deny that, but it gave Aaron the win so it did good in the end.

[Patrick]

Easier to rig the results with FB voting,Prob why they got rid of it.One big community spamming millions of votes at one person.

Hardly.

What's the difference between FB voting and normal voting btw?

Far cheaper, you use to get 7 votes for the price of 1 - it was alot easier, and faster too. It was just better in every way.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Vote to win lines throughout the whole series that carry over? But as well as the usual vote to evict for nominated housemates, so once their evicted tough luck

[pcro]

i'd LOVE to see them do the US format for even just a year

Just NO.

That isnt Big Brother. It is Survivor in a House. And it is BEYOND manipulated. BBUK highlight shows is a paragon of reality comapred to what goes on with BBUS or BBCanada.

[uniquedude]

Its been a while but I just saw this thread. I was thinking this. Instead of the usual first nimainations or whatever that usual gets rid of a hated but interesting housemate such as Sallie. Why not there be a 'who is the most boring' poll and that person gets booted first. I think that would be brilliant. Or right at the end the poll is done so that one person gets booted out then that is boring.

[ahopkins]

Make votes to save and nominations to save! It might be boring in the short-term but better results in the long term.