'The world needs to see someone like you win this' - incredible clip !!!

[the_answers]

Wow !!!!

Now call me cynical but is this simply as it seems or VERY interesting indeed ?

I suspect there's a lot more to it than there appears at face value.

Please watch it very carefully... (click the top link for youtube or visit C5 website)

2KPRaHFXlwM&View video on Youtube... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KPRaHFXlwM&feature=youtube_gdata)

Quotes by Abz....

"It was meant to be for you. I believe crystals and things like that have a destiny and are pre-determined".

Does Lauren have a pre-determined destiny ?
Or could it possibly be Abz is trying to change the course of destiny over to his side with a great gameplan instead ?! :)

"They're with you for a while but they wanna move on."

Wonder if some of her fans may want to move on over to Abz ?....

"And I know you know that."
"Wouldn't want to give it to anybody else !"

Talking about the crystal or fans voting Lauren winning Big Brother ?!

Lauren : "You wouldn't me though" [????]

Sincere modesty and self deprication or hidden code for "You don't really want me to win" ?

Abz: Laughs... "I'm telling ya !"

"She knows what she wants !"

What does he mean she knows what she wants ???? :conf:

"I keep saying when I'm the diary room to Big Brother, they even saying to me 'You're getting on with Lauren'...."

Oh really ?! Interesting...

"You've got the clothes just entertaining you look fabulous in everything you do."

Does she look fabulous ? Is she really entertaining ?
Is this Abz putting her up for public scrutiny ?

"You speak your truth"

Just slang talk or hinting it's HER own version of the truth ?

"When I heard your letter about you writing your little notes 'I'm gonna win Big Brother', this is it !!!!"

[Recap: Lauren's letter said "We still find your notes to yourself around the house which [have?] written for years 'I will win Celebrity Big Brother !'"
See 3.23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZ_6bZN4K8]

Is it slightly odd the letter would say "written for years" I will win Celebrity Big Brother" ?]

"This is it. It's your time Lauren. It's what the world needs, I say to Big Brother 'Someone needs, the world needs to see someone like you win this man, so brave what you've been through, where you've been, what you've done, speak your truth, you're full of love, you don't want to say a negative thing but you have to because you're in here and have to nominate and stuff like that."

Wouldn't Abz really be the person the world might want to see win ?
Surely everything he's saying above about Lauren could also apply to himself ?

"but I think it's all about you, it's your time right now."
Sincere or sarcastic dig or a hidden admission it's HER show ?

"It's your time right now, it has to be and if it isn't, I'll be suprised, I'll be shocked."
Sincere or hinting he's sussed she's nailed on to win ?

"But I told you I'm Team Lauren all the way !" [laughs]

Why's he saying "but" ?
And why's he laughing ? :conf:
Sincere, cosying up to the potential winner or just trying to pull the rug from under her ?

Also....

Is there any ulterior motive to Lauren going into the lounge and saying "I deserve to have this" ???
Why announce it ?

Typically Carol and Louie play it down like Abz is being robbed lol.

So what do you reckon ?....

Is Abz just trying to make his points in a very sincere manner ?
Or trying to steal Lauren's destiny ?

If the former he's got a heart of gold.
If the latter, it's one fuucking blinder of a genius gameplan ! :)

I'm now starting to question if Lauren has got an empty looking gameplan myself and he's now got my vote for sure !

[Pincho Paxton]

He half looks at the camera, but looks 90% genuine.

[the_answers]

He's a genuine guy for sure.

I don't know if there's more to it.
But if there IS, there's nothing wrong with Abz having a great gameplan.

For me, it's more about Lauren and whether he's sussed her out.
Sure he likes her but personally, I think he has !

[Shaun]

Do you think you may be reading too much into this? :p

[the_answers]

Possibly !
Feel free to debate...

[Rob!]

I like Abz a lot.

[Rob!]

Carol and Charlotte bitter they didn't get anything :joker:

[Vanessa]

Carol and Charlotte bitter they didn't get anything :joker:

yes. Looks like Abz genuinely likes Lauren. :hugesmile:

[the_answers]

Carol and Charlotte bitter they didn't get anything :joker:
Charlottes was so funny !

"I don't think I'll get anything we only made friends a couple of days ago."

:joker:

[Pincho Paxton]

Charlottes was so funny !

"I don't think I'll get anything we only made friends a couple of days ago."

:joker:

She wants an equal playing field! :joker:

[the_answers]

Ha ha good one ! :)

One other thing.
Wondering why they showed Louie getting the belt but not Lauren getting the crystal.

Fair TV time maybe ? Could well be.

Just think had it been aired it could have done Lauren's chances of winning the world of good ?
Or would it not have done ?!....

[Pincho Paxton]

Ha ha good one ! :)

One other thing.
Wondering why they showed Louie getting the belt but not Lauren getting the crystal.

Fair TV time maybe ? Could well be.

Just think had it been aired it could have done Lauren's chances of winning the world of good ?
Or would it not have done ?!....

Could be tonight that Lauren got the crystal, we are always a day behind.

[Withano]

urgh hes won it

[Vanessa]

urgh hes won it

At lest he's a nice guy and doesn't always bitch and moan like some of them.

[Pincho Paxton]

urgh hes won it

Well hopefully I'm in it next year. I'll show Abz how to be a good contender.

[Vanessa]

Well hopefully I'm in it next year. I'll show Abz how to be a good contender.

If Abz wins then Lauren could get in the top three. I think their fans probably like both.

[Tozzie]

I wish I knew what you were all on about LOL

[Pincho Paxton]

If Abz wins then Lauren could get in the top three. I think their fans probably like both.

Lauren should still win. Abz will ask people to vote for Lauren, and not him.. you'll see.

[Vanessa]

I wish I knew what you were all on about LOL

It's about when Abz told Lauren he wants her to win. Was it genuine or not? I think it was genuine. Abz is a lovely guy. :love:

[Vanessa]

Lauren should still win. Abz will ask people to vote for Lauren, and not him.. you'll see.

Yes, i'm still voting Lauren. If she doesn't make the top three then i'll vote Abz.

[Withano]

At lest he's a nice guy and doesn't always bitch and moan like some of them.

I know, hes probably my 4th favourite of the 13 of them. I just really want Lauren to win!

[the_answers]

Could be tonight that Lauren got the crystal, we are always a day behind.
Yeah but they showed Louie getting the belt on the HL tonight.
I doubt it will be shown.

urgh hes won it
I'm thinking the opposite and Lauren has won it.

Abz will ask people to vote for Lauren, and not him.. you'll see.
You could argue he already has !

"The world needs someone like you win this" sounds pretty clear.

[Cherie]

If Abz has left earthly things behind, why on earth did he bring that sparkly belt into the house :conf: I have to agree with Louie it was very him...:joker:

[Daffodil]

This clip completely reaffirms what is obvious to me, that Abz is a very kind and nice person.

[Jennifereliza]

Oh my, OF COURSE it's genuine - how can that not be seen. You'd need to be a cynical old battle axe not to see the truth in Abz' actions. He's spiritually enlightened, he's changed his own script and living true to his inner soul. He could have continued the old story of drinking, negativity, womanising, judgmental actions and greed but he hasn't. He's made a shift, taken a different path, changed his life story and what a remarkable young man he is for that. The most worthy winner...but we'll see x

[karezza]

100% genuine.

[Daffodil]

Oh my, OF COURSE it's genuine - how can that not be seen. You'd need to be a cynical old battle axe not to see the truth in Abz' actions. He's spiritually enlightened, he's changed his own script and living true to his inner soul. He could have continued the old story of drinking, negativity, womanising, judgmental actions and greed but he hasn't. He's made a shift, taken a different path, changed his life story and what a remarkable young man he is for that. The most worthy winner...but we'll see x

Lovely post.

[Verbal]

Game over.

Abz will win and give every bit of it away. You watch.

[chuff me dizzy]

He needs to stop licking ass or I will be going off him big time !!

[Vicky.]

Yeah I think theres a slight chance the OP is reading just a little too much into this :D

[Patricia4]

He's a genuine guy.

[Cherie]

Game over.

Abz will win and give every bit of it away. You watch.



Give every bit of what away? his fee I don't think so

[Lord Of The Garden]

100 % genuine

He has shown a natural wisdom and genuine interest in others in a way that you couldn't blag

His gifts to Lauren, Louie etc come from his genuine pleasure in giving rather than receiving

Like in Shawshank Redemption when Andy gets a beer for his mates but not for him. There's something in that makes the world go round.

I've grown to like Abz a lot. He clearly has a positive effect on the others in there. Makes them feel good and calm.

Genuinely decent guy for sure.

[anne666]

He's spent far too long with his spider.Does he know anything about this con artist? Lauren and truth,now that is amusing. Glad he said her truth, hope that at least was an insight ! Poor deluded guy :bawling:

[anne666]

Give every bit of what away? his fee I don't think so

:elephant: Me neither :joker:He's looking for pesky capitalism, buying a house!

[Cherie]

100 % genuine

He has shown a natural wisdom and genuine interest in others in a way that you couldn't blag

His gifts to Lauren, Louie etc come from his genuine pleasure in giving rather than receiving

Like in Shawshank Redemption when Andy gets a beer for his mates but not for him. There's something in that makes the world go round.

I've grown to like Abz a lot. He clearly has a positive effect on the others in there. Makes them feel good and calm.

Genuinely decent guy for sure.


:thumbs:

[the_answers]

Yeah I think theres a slight chance the OP is reading just a little too much into this :D
I fully admit that myself (and I want him to win too).

Just some things in the conversation don't make much sense.

To me, the clip reflects well on Abz but doesn't reflect that well on Lauren.

It's not a case of questioning Abz for doing anything wrong at all - quite the opposite !
It's wondering whether he's playing a very skillful game to reflect Lauren's good (or over-hyped for her this series) points onto himself. :)

It's all so easy to point the finger at any individual and say people shouldn't be playing a game.
But fact is, everyone wants to win and everyone does play one.

Good gameplaying should be richly appluaded not frowned upon.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong.
Either way - he's still 100% genuine....
Just saying you can remain genuine and still make some good points about your other housemates !

[Verbal]

Give every bit of what away? his fee I don't think so

I had just assumed they would be getting some kind of prize, i've barely watched this series and after posting I knew someone would say that. :joker:

[Pincho Paxton]

I fully admit that myself (and I want him to win too).

Just some things in the conversation don't make much sense.

To me, the clip reflects well on Abz but doesn't reflect that well on Lauren.

It's not a case of questioning Abz for doing anything wrong at all - quite the opposite !
It's wondering whether he's playing a very skillful game to reflect Lauren's good (or over-hyped for her this series) points onto himself. :)

It's all so easy to point the finger at any individual and say people shouldn't be playing a game.
But fact is, everyone wants to win and everyone does play one.

Good gameplaying should be richly appluaded not frowned upon.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong.
Either way - he's still 100% genuine....
Just saying you can remain genuine and still make some good points about your other housemates !

It doesn't reflect well on Lauren?.... huh?

[exoticrosebud]

i thinks hes as bonkers as the rest of em! building effing piles of cushions !! whats that all about then...something deep and meaningful no doubt! and why does he speak like a rasta gansta?

[the_answers]

You'd need to be a cynical old battle axe not to see the truth in Abz' actions. He's spiritually enlightened, he's changed his own script and living true to his inner soul. He could have continued the old story of drinking, negativity, womanising, judgmental actions and greed but he hasn't. He's made a shift, taken a different path, changed his life story and what a remarkable young man he is for that. The most worthy winner...
Totally agree but why are you talking like I can't see truth in Abz's actions ?

No-one admires him for his actions more than me.

Not saying he's not being very true to himself or isn't a genuine bloke - he is !

But are you under a "being a gameplayer is wrong" spell ?
Everyone's in there so everyone's playing the game to win.
The biggest myth ever heard is that if they ARE then it's somehow wrong !

Whether he's playing the game or not in this clip please don't be influenced by the crap you hear selectively banded around on C5.

The day C5 applaud good gameplaying is the day the BBBOTS panel and audience need to put their thinking caps on and having a real conversation that amounts to more than audience heckling or burping noises.

It just aint gonna happen !
Doesn't mean we can't think for ourselves if we want to though.

[the_answers]

It doesn't reflect well on Lauren?.... huh?
As I said before...

She says ""You wouldn't me though" [????]

She means she doesn't really deserve it ?
It makes you wonder...

Then she goes into the living area and announces "I deserve to have this".

She didn't need to and could have said nothing but she made a public thing of it.

Abz also brought up her 'I will win big brother' notes/letters.

Now there's nothing wrong per se with any of these points.
But when you put them all together (and the amount of footage BB are giving her), you DO wonder if she's as sincere as she really appears.

And if she's as sincere as we're led to believe then she doesn't strike me as a particularly open person either - and to me, that seems a bit odd too.

[Pincho Paxton]

As I said before...

She says ""You wouldn't me though" [????]

She means she doesn't really deserve it ?
It makes you wonder...

Then she goes into the living area and announces "I deserve to have this".

She didn't need to and could have said nothing but she made a public thing of it.

Abz also brought up her 'I will win big brother' notes/letters.

Now there's nothing wrong per se with any of these points.
But when you put them all together (and the amount of footage BB are giving her), you DO wonder if she's as sincere as she really appears.

And if she's as sincere as we're led to believe then she doesn't strike me as a particularly open person either - and to me, that seems a bit odd too.

What?
Abz said I deserve to have this.

Not

I deserve to have this.

You are changing the context.

[Verbal]

Yeah I think theres a slight chance the OP is reading just a little too much into this :D

It does make you wonder what these people could achieve if they put their energies into something worthwhile.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I wish we had seen more of him.

Hes been endearing in the clips we have seen with him building little pillow forts and saving bugs lol very much like Pete BB7.

I don't know how I feel about Lauren winning.

[the_answers]

What?
Abz said I deserve to have this.

Not

I deserve to have this.

You are changing the context.
Listen again she said Abz the 1st time but not the 2nd.

In any case she's making a public show over it - that's the point !

[Johnnyuk123]

If Babz is who he says he is and is 100% genuine then he would not be on the show in the first place and would be out in the woods hugging a tree somewhere. lol

[Pincho Paxton]

Listen again she said Abz the 1st time but not the 2nd.

In any case she's making a public show over it - that's the point !

..but not the second. Sorry, but it's implied the second time you say it. That's part of how the English language works.

There is no point, you made the point up by changing the context. Lauren showed the housemates a gift that Abz gave her. That's all that happened.

[the_answers]

Lauren showed the housemates a gift that Abz gave her. That's all that happened.
Point is, it wasn't about giving Abz any credit for his generous gesture.
It was all about her making a public show saying she deserved to have it. (probably for the camera)

It''s not like she said "Abz gave me this gift, isn't that kind of him ?"

All she said was "Isn't it lovely ?"

On both occasions she mentioned deserving it - fact !

Not saying she's isn't grateful but even when she says "So I will keep this forever now" she doesn't sound particularly convincing. (at least if you compare her reaction to Louie's)

[megamaja40]

What's with that accent? I Thought he was from Enfield

[Pincho Paxton]

Point is, it wasn't about giving Abz any credit for his generous gesture.
It was all about her making a public show saying she deserved to have it. (probably for the camera)

It''s not like she said "Abz gave me this gift, isn't that kind of him ?"

All she said was "Isn't it lovely ?"

On both occasions she mentioned deserving it - fact !

Not saying she's isn't grateful but even when she says "So I will keep this forever now" she doesn't sound particularly convincing. (at least if you compare her reaction to Louie's)

I don't get any of that when I watch it. Just Lauren acting appreciative, and telling everyone how nice it was for Abz to give her a gift.

[the_answers]

Well that's not how I saw it.

She never showed any appreciation in the living room.

Anyway no point in us arguing the toss over our own opinions.
People can watch the clip and make up their own minds.

[Jennifereliza]

Totally agree but why are you talking like I can't see truth in Abz's actions ?

No-one admires him for his actions more than me.

Not saying he's not being very true to himself or isn't a genuine bloke - he is !

But are you under a "being a gameplayer is wrong" spell ?
Everyone's in there so everyone's playing the game to win.
The biggest myth ever heard is that if they ARE then it's somehow wrong !

Whether he's playing the game or not in this clip please don't be influenced by the crap you hear selectively banded around on C5.

The day C5 applaud good gameplaying is the day the BBBOTS panel and audience need to put their thinking caps on and having a real conversation that amounts to more than audience heckling or burping noises.

It just aint gonna happen !
Doesn't mean we can't think for ourselves if we want to though.

I honestly wasn't referring to you, it wasn't directly aimed at you at all - no offence meant....I was just referring to people.

[the_answers]

No offence taken but fair enough it's my mistake.
Sorry for the lecture !