Police Back Private 'Drunk Tanks' For Revellers

[arista]

One Copper said
he prefered to call them "Welfare Centres"
The Drunk gets billed for his care




"Police chiefs have backed privately-run
drunk tanks where intoxicated revellers
are kept overnight and made to pay for their stay.
Chief Constable Adrian Lee, the national
policing lead on alcohol harm, said drunken
individuals should be held in cells run by a
commercial company.
He made his comments at the start of a
week-long campaign to highlight the
impact of alcohol on policing."


http://news.sky.com/story/1143123/police-back-private-drunk-tanks-for-revellers
Video.


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/9/17/1379454702753/Passed-out-street-alcohol-008.jpg


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/18/police-drunk-tank-initiative
Link for Kizzy



Sign Of The Times

[Kate!]

Great idea, but there'll be a lot of moaning about it from the pisshead brigade.

[joeysteele]

I could be persuaded to support something along those lines I guess.

[arista]

I could be persuaded to support something along those lines I guess.


Matt Wright on Ch5HD
joked your Drunk
and in the morning a £400 Fine

[arista]

Great idea, but there'll be a lot of moaning about it from the pisshead brigade.



Yes and Vicky

[billy123]

Interesting idea but impossible to implement by a private company as they have no right to detain people thats called kidnapping.
So not going to happen.
The dumbtards at the daily mail must be behind the story somewhere surely.

Treat the cause and not the symptom it will be far more effective.

[arista]

Interesting idea but impossible to implement by a private company as they have no right to detain people thats called kidnapping.
So not going to happen.
The dumbtards at the daily mail must be behind the story somewhere surely.

Treat the cause and not the symptom it will be far more effective.


Wrong its on BBCNews
and every News.



It was a Copper that set up the idea.

[Cherie]

Brilliant idea, get them to pay for it, they might think again once they are hit in the pocket. I think this could be very effective :D:

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/9/18/260095/default/v1/rtxeh0m-1-626x352.jpg

[Livia]

I think it's a wonderful idea.

[MTVN]

Sounds silly, seems very infeasible to actually enforce and surely it will just be pretty arbitrary as to how drunk is 'too drunk' and if these companies are profiting from it they'll be more inclined to force people to stay in these 'tanks' and charge them even if it wasn't hugely necessary. £400 is a ridiculous price to pay for getting a bit too drunk

[Beso]

Id be wanting more drink and a prostitute and a nice breakfast in the morning for that price.

[Kizzy]

It's the most pathetic thing I think I have ever heard...
We really are regressing as a society, it's saddening to be witness to this decline.
24hr drinking hasn't worked, stop it and you will see a dramatic improvement, but no.... no moneys to be made doing that.
Q.'How can we make money from alcoholics and binge drinkers?'
A.'allow supermarkets to sell cheap booze 24/7, never close the bars and fine people for being drunk!'

[billy123]

It's the most pathetic thing I think I have ever heard...
We really are regressing as a society, it's saddening to be witness to this decline.
24hr drinking hasn't worked, stop it and you will see a dramatic improvement, but no.... no moneys to be made doing that.
Q.'How can we make money from alcoholics and binge drinkers?'
A.'allow supermarkets to sell cheap booze 24/7, never close the bars and fine people for being drunk!'
Its pathetic how greedy and selfish society has become.
They would soon change their tune if one of their children was to die in one of these privately run (i.e. forever cost cutting profit motivated) Drunk tanks.

Its an utterly moronic idea.
Nobodys in any doubt its a problem but instead of greedy little pigs profiting from it and revelling in their holier than thou attitudes the problem needs to be addressed at its source rather than trying to profit from the result of it.

Educating kids about the dangers of alcohol abuse properly at school and stopping glamorizing it on tv with crap like geordie shore would be a responsible start.

Treat the problem at its root because treating the result of the problem achieves nothing.

By all means fine the people that are stupid enough to be picked up in a pile of their own piss and vomit and taken to hospital but put that money to the NHS and towards educating children not to do that in the first place.

The problem is its seen as fun and a cool thing to do and it will take a generation to change that perception.

[Ammi]

Its pathetic how greedy and selfish society has become.
They would soon change their tune if one of their children was to die in one of these privately run (i.e. forever cost cutting profit motivated) Drunk tanks.

Its an utterly moronic idea.
Nobodys in any doubt its a problem but instead of greedy little pigs profiting from it and revelling in their holier than thou attitudes the problem needs to be addressed at its source rather than trying to profit from the result of it.

Educating kids about the dangers of alcohol abuse properly at school and stopping glamorizing it on tv with crap like geordie shore would be a responsible start.

Treat the problem at its root because treating the result of the problem achieves nothing.

By all means fine the people that are stupid enough to be picked up in a pile of their own piss and vomit and taken to hospital but put that money to the NHS and towards educating children not to do that in the first place.

The problem is its seen as fun and a cool thing to do and it will take a generation to change that perception.


..but one counteracts the other though and that's probably partly the problem...schools do teach about the dangers of alcohol/cigarettes/ drugs etc and being responsible...and from a very early age..but people often listen to their peers more than they do teachers/parents etc...who are well known to 'not understand these things'....

[arista]

Id be wanting more drink and a prostitute and a nice breakfast in the morning for that price.


You will be kept Alive


America wants this.

[Kizzy]

Its pathetic how greedy and selfish society has become.
They would soon change their tune if one of their children was to die in one of these privately run (i.e. forever cost cutting profit motivated) Drunk tanks.

Its an utterly moronic idea.
Nobodys in any doubt its a problem but instead of greedy little pigs profiting from it and revelling in their holier than thou attitudes the problem needs to be addressed at its source rather than trying to profit from the result of it.

Educating kids about the dangers of alcohol abuse properly at school and stopping glamorizing it on tv with crap like geordie shore would be a responsible start.

Treat the problem at its root because treating the result of the problem achieves nothing.

By all means fine the people that are stupid enough to be picked up in a pile of their own piss and vomit and taken to hospital but put that money to the NHS and towards educating children not to do that in the first place.

The problem is its seen as fun and a cool thing to do and it will take a generation to change that perception.

Some really excellent points there bob, I was going to mention the possibility of deaths in 'custody' what safeguards will be in place to prevent this?
Who and how will they decide who goes, what's the 'limit'... 2 pints?..20 pints?

[Cherie]

Would someone who is incapable due to drink or drugs be any safer in a police cell?

[Kizzy]

Would someone who is incapable due to drink or drugs be any safer in a police cell?

I don't know, the police have procedures but the main issue is the buck stops with them.
Who are going to regulate and inspect this new facility, will they be accountable to anyone?

[Cherie]

I don't know, the police have procedures but the main issue is the buck stops with them.
Who are going to regulate and inspect this new facility, will they be accountable to anyone?

I haven't read alot about it tbh, but I would imagine like anything run for the public there would be have to be very strict guidelines and procedures, it would be a disaster otherwise as detainee could claim abuse or rape or anything in between while they were being held! Not sure who would want to take this on in the private sector it seems like a minefield, especially if the detainee didn't pay up after their night in the cells.:joker:

[Vicky.]

Just another attempt to make money IMO.

I would be all for it if it was just for these who get so drunk that the end up lying in a gutter or something..and was actually for their safety above all else, but since theres profit to be made, I feel it would be abused hugely.

[arista]

Just another attempt to make money IMO.

I would be all for it if it was just for these who get so drunk that the end up lying in a gutter or something..and was actually for their safety above all else, but since theres profit to be made, I feel it would be abused hugely.



Sure but its a Private Company
The Way of the World.

[arista]

Would someone who is incapable due to drink or drugs be any safer in a police cell?


No
Worse off

[Kizzy]

I haven't read alot about it tbh, but I would imagine like anything run for the public there would be have to be very strict guidelines and procedures, it would be a disaster otherwise as detainee could claim abuse or rape or anything in between while they were being held! Not sure who would want to take this on in the private sector it seems like a minefield, especially if the detainee didn't pay up after their night in the cells.:joker:

Like care homes?.... There have been well documented failings in this sector, vulnerable people abused and yet the organisations involved remain unregulated.

[Livia]

I don't understand why Brits, seemingly more than most other people, have this strange relationship with alcohol. People have to go out and drink until their incapable, they don't seem to be able to have a few drinks and enjoy an evening, they have to get mangled. It's embarrassing to see the state of some people, fighting, throwing up, young women making themselves vulnerable... Something has to be done rather than allowing the madness to continue.

[Ninastar]

I don't understand why Brits, seemingly more than most other people, have this strange relationship with alcohol. People have to go out and drink until their incapable, they don't seem to be able to have a few drinks and enjoy an evening, they have to get mangled. It's embarrassing to see the state of some people, fighting, throwing up, young women making themselves vulnerable... Something has to be done rather than allowing the madness to continue.

I agree.

Personally I think it's because there's simply not much for people here to do. I noticed this when in America... You can go to the movies (it's so much cheaper), go roller skating, there's tons of youth centres with all kinds of activities, parks (again if only we had better weather here), malls, shopping centres... So much more.

I mean sure there are some parts of the UK where they have all of that. It would be interesting to see what the underage/of age results would be like compared to areas where there's literally nothing.

Kinda off topic, but I think the main age group responsible for this is the 18 - 25 year olds. Any older and you should know better IMO

[Kizzy]

Again under 25's it is suggested are in some way feeble minded, is this ok with all you 'yoofs'? I'm stunned haha.
Over 25's open bars, they sell drinks for 50p just watched a prog called 'bouncers' where 40 somethings in Newcastle have to shepherd those who fall out of these bars into waiting cabs....
How ethical is it to open a bar selling alcohol for 50p, are they not feeding this drink to excess problem?

[Vicky.]

Again under 25's it is suggested are in some way feeble minded, is this ok with all you 'yoofs'? I'm stunned haha.
Over 25's open bars, they sell drinks for 50p just watched a prog called 'bouncers' where 40 somethings in Newcastle have to shepherd those who fall out of these bars into waiting cabs....
How ethical is it to open a bar selling alcohol for 50p, are they not feeding this drink to excess problem?

Hmm. I know not of these places where its that cheap. Get the name? :evilgrin: :p

[Ninastar]

as an under 25 yoof i 100% think it's the under 25 year olds who are mainly to blame.

not saying there's not 1 person over 25 that has to get ridiculously drunk. Just saying that i think in general its the teenagers.

[Kizzy]

No, and as your auntie kizz I forbid you to go :hmph:

[Vicky.]

Going out round newcastle for gavs birthday next saturday. Could save a few bob :D

[Kizzy]

Going out round newcastle for gavs birthday next saturday. Could save a few bob :D

Well I don't want to see you on the next episode of bouncers sat on the kerb throwing up ok!?
:laugh:

[Nedusa]

I think it's a very good idea albeit in the short term as inner city binge drinking amongst 18 - 25 year olds has become a massive problem and is costing the taxpayer millions in policing and A&E costs.

I think it's time to fight this culture and anyone who is arrested as "drunk and incapable" should be sent to one of these units where they can be monitored by medical staff BUT the price for their actions is a stiff bill for £300 or £400 . This will be legally enforceable and hopefully would make these idiots think twice about repeating this type of ridiculous behaviour.

[Livia]

People need to take responsibility for themselves. That's the bottom line.

[arista]

People need to take responsibility for themselves. That's the bottom line.


Bang On Right Livia

[anne666]

It's the most pathetic thing I think I have ever heard...
We really are regressing as a society, it's saddening to be witness to this decline.
24hr drinking hasn't worked, stop it and you will see a dramatic improvement, but no.... no moneys to be made doing that.
Q.'How can we make money from alcoholics and binge drinkers?'
A.'allow supermarkets to sell cheap booze 24/7, never close the bars and fine people for being drunk!'

I agree. Instead of addressing the basics and stop the profiteering someone else is set to profit. Being drunk and disorderly is an offence which seems now to be so out of hand it is rarely treated as such.

[Kizzy]

I agree. Instead of addressing the basics and stop the profiteering someone else is set to profit. Being drunk and disorderly is an offence which seems now to be so out of hand it is rarely treated as such.

Exactly it's a sociatal issue, and as you say an offence in what other instance would that be exploited for monetary gain?... it wouldn't.

[Kizzy]

I think it's a very good idea albeit in the short term as inner city binge drinking amongst 18 - 25 year olds has become a massive problem and is costing the taxpayer millions in policing and A&E costs.

I think it's time to fight this culture and anyone who is arrested as "drunk and incapable" should be sent to one of these units where they can be monitored by medical staff BUT the price for their actions is a stiff bill for £300 or £400 . This will be legally enforceable and hopefully would make these idiots think twice about repeating this type of ridiculous behaviour.

It isn't exclusive to 18-25yr olds... and it's always been a problem, it's not a new thing.
What about the idiots that sell it ridiculously cheaply or the legislation that allows it to continue 24hrs a day?
Taking responsibility for yourself is a cop out, especially when you have people who suggest it's impossible for some to do this as their brains are not fully functioning?..

[anne666]

Exactly it's a sociatal issue, and as you say an offence in what other instance would that be exploited for monetary gain?... it wouldn't.

No it wouldn't I agree. Exploitation is the name of the game and how much can this measure be abused , when profit is the motivating factor? I have no idea of the increase in social disorder, personal health problems , NHS and Policing costs or anything else involved since 24 hour drinking was introduced. The startling thing was it was introduced as an attempt to deal with boozing Britain!
If it's failed to do that it should be revised.Then the breweries would suffer, God forbid! It's all about profiteering and no regard at all for health,safety or the cost to the public.

[Livia]

Other countries seem to cope with cheap booze and long opening hours without a percentage of the population turning into drunken louts. How come the people in this country need special treatment because they can't control themselves from drinking to excess? Throw them in the drunk tank, then fine them. Motorists who break the law are fined all the time, I don't see why fining drunks is so unappealing. A night in the tank and a big fine may be just the thing they need to bump them into the real world.

[Kizzy]

We are not other countries....
As said the issues we had with alcohol were already established as being a problem, so why introduce 'cafe culture' to Blackpool or Bradford?
Motorists are fined as is the law, it is not private enterprise and therefore not even remotely similar.
Yes that will teach them to straighten up and fly right a £400 fine into some shareholders back pocket.

[Niamh.]

Other countries seem to cope with cheap booze and long opening hours without a percentage of the population turning into drunken louts. How come the people in this country need special treatment because they can't control themselves from drinking to excess? Throw them in the drunk tank, then fine them. Motorists who break the law are fined all the time, I don't see why fining drunks is so unappealing. A night in the tank and a big fine may be just the thing they need to bump them into the real world.

I agree, it's the same over here. If nothing else taking drunk and disorderly people off the street might prevent vandalism and drunken fights/attacks from occurring.

[anne666]

I'm all for fining drunks , I would make them clean up any mess they make before they can leave also. Solely legally speaking why has it come to this? Is it all a failing on the part of the police to reinforce the law? Or as I said before is it so out of hand now they can't man the situation ?

[Kizzy]

Is this all a failing on the part of the police to reinforce the law?

It's totally laughable, you have a person incapacitated on the floor.. Who decides wheter they go to the police station, the hospital or the 'tank'...
Do they check their credit rating or their blood alcohol levels? :laugh:

[Livia]

I agree, it's the same over here. If nothing else taking drunk and disorderly people off the street might prevent vandalism and drunken fights/attacks from occurring.

Exactly. Banging them up lessens the risk of innocent people becoming embroiled in their madness or of having their property destroyed. It might also mean that some of them might not run the risk of being assaulted, robbed, raped and a variety of other crimes. Do I want the police to waste time and resources on these people? Absolutely not. I'm happy for a private company to be paid to take these people off the street. Private companies make money from parking fines, why not from the drunken, least responsible people in society? People moan when they get fined for parking in the wrong place, but the answer is simple... don't park illegally. Same with the drunks; you don't want to spend a night in the tank and cop a fine? Then take some responsibility for yourself and don't get so drunk you don't know what you're doing.

[Kizzy]

So anyone who is considered 'drunk' is now the scourge of society?
Move over lone parents and benefit claimants your time in the media spotlight is over, there's a new folk devil in town.

[Tom4784]

Having it privately run is a terrible idea as it would be completely abused by the companies running it, Having fun with your friends? that could be construed as disorderly so give us £400. Had a few to drink at the pub? You might hurt yourself walking home so give us £400 quid to sort you out. ETC ETC.

I think it's a decent idea but not if it's privately owned.

[Niamh.]

Having it privately run is a terrible idea as it would be completely abused by the companies running it, Having fun with your friends? that could be construed as disorderly so give us £400. Had a few to drink at the pub? You might hurt yourself walking home so give us £400 quid to sort you out. ETC ETC.

I think it's a decent idea but not if it's privately owned.

A solution could be that the private companies would have to be called by the Police first

[Kizzy]

A solution could be that the private companies would have to be called by the Police first

As opposed to who, marauding shareholders combing the streets?

[arista]

Having it privately run is a terrible idea as it would be completely abused by the companies running it, Having fun with your friends? that could be construed as disorderly so give us £400. Had a few to drink at the pub? You might hurt yourself walking home so give us £400 quid to sort you out. ETC ETC.

I think it's a decent idea but not if it's privately owned.


Nothing else can be used
no other funding is about - at this time.


Keep up to date
thats all I am saying here.

[Niamh.]

As opposed to who, marauding shareholders combing the streets?

-something sarcastic-

[Kizzy]

-something sarcastic-

What does that mean?
You made a nonsensical statement, who else would it be to make the decision to detain someone against their will?

[Niamh.]

What does that mean?
You made a nonsensical statement, who else would it be to make the decision to detain someone against their will?

-something insulting-

[Kizzy]

-something insulting-

Stop baiting niamh, debate the point or don't...
no need to take issue with everything I say.

Back on topic, I wonder if there will be some kind of kickback for the police to 'refer' to this service, that could be an incentive?

[anne666]

Stop baiting niamh, debate the point or don't...
no need to take issue with everything I say.

Back on topic, I wonder if there will be some kind of kickback for the police to 'refer' to this service, that could be an incentive?
I think there should be, save the public some money.

[Niamh.]

Stop baiting niamh, debate the point or don't...
no need to take issue with everything I say.

Back on topic, I wonder if there will be some kind of kickback for the police to 'refer' to this service, that could be an incentive?

Me baiting?lol, don't reply to my posts with rude and sarcastic replies or better still don't quote my posts full stop.

[Kizzy]

I think there should be, save the public some money.

You think they should be kickbacks? wouldn't that mean that it would be in the best iterests of the police and not the public to fill these tanks?.,.

[Livia]

If the police are backing this, you have to consider that it could be a solution. Making wild assumptions about shareholders and shady dealings is a premature knee-jerk reaction. We're not talking about a few revellers who've had one too many, we're talking about drunks, putting themselves and other people at risk because they can't take responsibility for themselves and waste the police service's time and resources that could be better used elsewhere. I don't want my contribution to the police to be used in this way every weekend, I'd rather those who can't control their drinking paid the price themselves. If they don't want to do that, don't drink till you can't stand up.

[Kizzy]

If the police are backing this, you have to consider that it could be a solution. Making wild assumptions about shareholders and shady dealings is a premature knee-jerk reaction. We're not talking about a few revellers who've had one too many, we're talking about drunks, putting themselves and other people at risk because they can't take responsibility for themselves and waste the police service's time and resources that could be better used elsewhere. I don't want my contribution to the police to be used in this way every weekend, I'd rather those who can't control their drinking paid the price themselves. If they don't want to do that, don't drink till you can't stand up.

All police are backing this?
It's no more a knee jerk reaction than suggesting these 'tanks' will make the streets safe again for pillars of the community out for a stroll.
It is unenforcable, demanding £400 from someone with no means to pay leads to what, legal action?

[Z]

People need to take responsibility for themselves. That's the bottom line.

They don't though. Most people who can't handle their drink have an uncanny ability to convert shame into a hilarious story and don't learn their lesson.

A drunk tank would be a hell hole but it's a huge strain on police resources so I agree with what's been said in this thread, something needs to be done... perhaps rather than outsourcing this to a private company, there needs to be a new judicial branch created for this specific problem. It's an epidemic in the UK. You go out on any night of the week in any major city centre and you will see obscenely drunk people from any time between 11pm-5am. That in itself isn't even the worst problem, the worst part is that there are people who can't handle being drunk. The quantity isn't the problem; their response is the problem. I know men and women who get aggressive on two drinks. People who burst into tears and cause drama after a couple of spirits. It's insane.

[Livia]

They don't though. Most people who can't handle their drink have an uncanny ability to convert shame into a hilarious story and don't learn their lesson.

A drunk tank would be a hell hole but it's a huge strain on police resources so I agree with what's been said in this thread, something needs to be done... perhaps rather than outsourcing this to a private company, there needs to be a new judicial branch created for this specific problem. It's an epidemic in the UK. You go out on any night of the week in any major city centre and you will see obscenely drunk people from any time between 11pm-5am. That in itself isn't even the worst problem, the worst part is that there are people who can't handle being drunk. The quantity isn't the problem; their response is the problem. I know men and women who get aggressive on two drinks. People who burst into tears and cause drama after a couple of spirits. It's insane.

Sadly, there's barely enough cash to fund more important things than rounding up the drunk and incapable. If they're going to use public funds for this something else will have to suffer. I guess that's why the report says "police back" the idea. What a degrading and pointless part of their job it must be dealing with these people.

[Kizzy]

They don't though. Most people who can't handle their drink have an uncanny ability to convert shame into a hilarious story and don't learn their lesson.

A drunk tank would be a hell hole but it's a huge strain on police resources so I agree with what's been said in this thread, something needs to be done... perhaps rather than outsourcing this to a private company, there needs to be a new judicial branch created for this specific problem. It's an epidemic in the UK. You go out on any night of the week in any major city centre and you will see obscenely drunk people from any time between 11pm-5am. That in itself isn't even the worst problem, the worst part is that there are people who can't handle being drunk. The quantity isn't the problem; their response is the problem. I know men and women who get aggressive on two drinks. People who burst into tears and cause drama after a couple of spirits. It's insane.

There are 1000's of things that can and will go wrong here, 'police backed' or not it is not ethical.
The proceeds of crime Act could and should be freed up for this. Why is this not being put forward as a solution?

[Cherie]

A lot of good points made on this thread, whilst on the surface this does seem like a good idea, it needs alot of work to make it viable.

[Ninastar]

A lot of good points made on this thread, whilst on the surface this does seem like a good idea, it needs alot of work to make it viable.

I agree. But I think this is something that needs to be done. If not locking people away in cells, something else needs to be done. I personally am all for the idea, but again, i can see why people wont be.

i think there's a huge difference between the people who go out and get drunk on a fun night out, then those who regularly (not always) drink way too much, become aggressive and cause crap between innocent people. If you cannot control your limit, then you shouldn't go out. Or be prepared to face the consequences. I agree with Livia 100% on that one.

People should know when to go home. There's a limit.