Is David Moyes out of his depth?

[GiRTh]

After Man Utd worse start to a Premiership season ever is the new manager proving himself at this level?

[Shaun]

most likely. I'd give him until January to turn it around, though.

[King Gizzard]

He just has an impossible job having to follow Fergie and hasn't been helped by the people above him

Use to playing more defensive football to combat bigger teams but now he's the bigger team he's struggling

United probably shouldn't have tried to find the next Fergie and instead changed their philosophy and got a big man - Pep - in and do it with that approach instead of trying to create a new Fergie 439439843 years situation as it's not going to happen at all

[GiRTh]

I think he's out of this depth too.

Playing the same central defensive partnership in six games running is just crazy at this level. It was OK when he was Everton manager and he had his first 11 and the rest of the squad but at Man Utd he has to realise that a tired Vidic playing 90% fit after playing 5 games in a row is not gonna be as effective as a fully fit, fully alert Johnny Evans and must rotate the squad. Even if he doesnt rate a player - and I think there are a few at United that he clearly isnt a fan of - he's got to fight in every game in every competition.

He seems to show a bit of a small club mentality at times. He's
been quite negative in the press toward United European chances and I cant help but think that Sir Alex would never have doubted his teams chances in any competition.

Its a steep learning curve to follow such a great manger but so far Moyes is falling well short of the mark.

[Brother Leon]

Give him some time. Not the first time United start slow..or be it we don't have Sir Alex to turn it around now. He'll come good in the end. As long as he learns Rio should be playing 1 game a week only and that Nani,Rooney,RVP need to be the attack things will turn. Just a shame the transfer window was such a joke and we didn't get that creative central player. Fortunately City and Chelsea don't look great themselves.

[Mystic Mock]

Like most managers it's gonna take him time to get used to how Manchester United works I think.

[MTVN]

At the moment definitely, and it didn't help that they had a bit of a shocker in the transfer window. They'll stick with him for at least a year whatever happens though, probably two

[GiRTh]

Give him some time. Not the first time United start slow..or be it we don't have Sir Alex to turn it around now. He'll come good in the end. As long as he learns Rio should be playing 1 game a week only and that Nani,Rooney,RVP need to be the attack things will turn. Just a shame the transfer window was such a joke and we didn't get that creative central player. Fortunately City and Chelsea don't look great themselves.He'll get time but by the time he's got the players he wants you'll be playing like Everton.:joker:

[Shaun]

At the moment definitely, and it didn't help that they had a bit of a shocker in the transfer window. They'll stick with him for at least a year whatever happens though, probably two

I dunno, I think they'd fire him in May (or just before) if they failed to make the top 4.

[Ryan57]

Out of his depth right now, yes. He's being an absolute arsehole blaming the players. Surely he knows his outdated 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 ('effin hate it) is part of the problem, as well as playing Valencia and Young.

In 2-3 years time he may well come good. The problem is if we finish outside the top 4 this season then he has a huge job on his hands.

I'd also love to know how he was number 1 choice. Pep, Jose, Klopp, De Boer and Ancelotti to name just some would of been way ahead for me.
At least with Pep there would be no more outdated formation, wank midfield and dire football.

[Jesus.]

He reminds me of Hodgson. COnstantly saying the players aren't good enough, moaning about every little thing, constantly downplaying expectations, and had a terrible transfer window.

Then to wrap it up in one nice Hodgson-esque package, you have the Hoofball thrown in for good measure.

They've given him a six year contract, so to sack him would cost between £30-40m. The glazers don't have that spare at united, but missing out on the CL would cost them the same each year.

Liverpool have shown how quickly that Europes top players forget you if you're not in the CL, so as a Liverpool fan, Moyes isn't out of his depth, he's at the perfect club for him, and he remains the perfect man for the scum.

[Cherie]

Out of his depth right now, yes. He's being an absolute arsehole blaming the players. Surely he knows his outdated 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 ('effin hate it) is part of the problem, as well as playing Valencia and Young.

In 2-3 years time he may well come good. The problem is if we finish outside the top 4 this season then he has a huge job on his hands.

I'd also love to know how he was number 1 choice. Pep, Jose, Klopp, De Boer and Ancelotti to name just some would of been way ahead for me.
At least with Pep there would be no more outdated formation, wank midfield and dire football.

I think Fergie chose him so he would fail and Fergie would be even more of a hero :D:

Read a piece today that the Glazers are sorry now they didn't start him sooner and they will back him in the January transfer.

[Ryan57]

I think Fergie chose him so he would fail and Fergie would be even more of a hero :D:

Read a piece today that the Glazers are sorry now they didn't start him sooner and they will back him in the January transfer.

Not sure I could of taken anymore embarrassment from Moyes and Woodward this summer without it tipping me over the edge.

[Ryan57]

http://i.imgur.com/9y9rTWy.png

[Alf]

Manchester United have no divine right to be a top four club.

Maybe you should start questioning the people who take to the field of play, instead of pointing the finger at one person in the whole of the organisation.

[Legend killer]

Out of his depth with Young and Tony in your team????? David had no problem handling player 100% the quality at Everton

[Ryan57]

Manchester United have no divine right to be a top four club.

Maybe you should start questioning the people who take to the field of play, instead of pointing the finger at one person in the whole of the organisation.

It's a combination of both. However, when you play Valencia and Young, whilst having Kagawa and Nani on the bench, it's down to the manager.

[Brother Leon]

Jesus...can we stop pinning it all on Young and Valencia. He played a team you want to see against WBA at home and they still couldn't score from open play. It's down to a lot more than just those two players. It's Darren Fletcher syndrome all over again.

[Ryan57]

Jesus...can we stop pinning it all on Young and Valencia. He played a team you want to see against WBA at home and they still couldn't score from open play. It's down to a lot more than just those two players. It's Darren Fletcher syndrome all over again.

Kagawa and Nani haven't had a run of games, unlike the comedy duo of Valencia and Young.

I agree it's down to more than just them. However, they played a huge part. It's undeniable.

[Legend killer]

Jesus...can we stop pinning it all on Young and Valencia. He played a team you want to see against WBA at home and they still couldn't score from open play. It's down to a lot more than just those two players. It's Darren Fletcher syndrome all over again.

Can you please stop Full Stop

Anyone who even tried to suggest Young was a good player or suggested Giggs and ****ing Scholes were at that stage better centre mids then Pogba should really not be allowed to post on a football forum

I blame this fully on Young. Funny how diabolical the standard of play has been since Ashley graced Carrington with his ****ess appears to be rubbing of on the team like a common cold

And like any virus Ashley should be dealt with as soon as possible in this case send him to the local disabled football league

Ps comparing a warrior like Darren to a streak of piss like Ashley tops all your other stupid notions regarding football

[GiRTh]

Kagawa was one of the best play makers in Europe just two seasons ago; now he's a minor player in a failing team. He'll leave and who could blame him.

[Legend killer]

Both him and Nani deserve a better team

[Alf]

It's a combination of both. However, when you play Valencia and Young, whilst having Kagawa and Nani on the bench, it's down to the manager.
It's not down to the manager if the two players you mentioned (Valencia and Young) are in your expert opinion, not good enough (he didn't sign those players, he inherited them), Moyes doesn't make a pass for them, Moyes doesn't make a tackle for them, Moyes doesn't do their running for them, they do it themselves. their professional players on huge over the top wages, and if their not playing to their ability, then it say's to me that their attitude towards their work is not 100%, and they need to be shown the door and replaced by players that will show the right attitude.

You mention Nani, a player who no doubt as bundles of talent, so why doesn't he show it week in week out, he's had plenty of chances in the team, but has never shown any consistency, that's an attitude problem right there, primadonna comes to mind, which goes against the philosophy of the hard working class values of Moyes.

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?

You'd have to be very fickle about football to want rid of a manager two months into his job.

If you only blame the manager and not the players when things go wrong, then i'd expect you to only praise the manager and not the players when things go right.

[GiRTh]

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?What is Moyes trying to build? Is there anything to actually build at Man U? Surely all Moyes needs to do is maintain. Judging by the signings - or lack of - and style of play, it looks like he's trying to build a team like his Everton team. If I were a Man U fan I wouldn't be happy with that, particularly in Europe. His style of play will get ripped apart by the top teams.

[Alf]

What is Moyes trying to build? Is there anything to actually build at Man U? Surely all Moyes needs to do is maintain. Judging by the signings - or lack of - and style of play, it looks like he's trying to build a team like his Everton team. If I were a Man U fan I wouldn't be happy with that, particularly in Europe. His style of play will get ripped apart by the top teams.
Well if you want him to maintain, then by playing people like Ferdinand, Giggs, Young, Valencia ect ect, he is maintaining the team that Fergie had, but are those players playing to their potential? obviously not which is down to their own attitude.

Give the guy time to put his own philosophy's on that team and to see which of the current team he want's to play for him and which one's he needs to replace, he can only find that out by putting them on the pitch to see if they can give what he want.

It's a transitional period for them after having the same manager for the past 27 years, things just may take a little time to click, be patient and get behind your team would be my advice.

[GiRTh]

Well if you want him to maintain, then by playing people like Ferdinand, Giggs, Young, Valencia ect ect, he is maintaining the team that Fergie had, but are those players playing to their potential? obviously not which is down to their own attitude.

Give the guy time to put his own philosophy's on that team and to see which of the current team he want's to play for him and which one's he needs to replace, he can only find that out by putting them on the pitch to see if they can give what he want.

It's a transitional period for them after having the same manager for the past 27 years, things just may take a little time to click, be patient and get behind your team would be my advice.I'm not a Man U fan so they are not my team.

In not rotating the squad and openly questioning the quality of the players he is failing to maintain anything. There is nothing to be built at Man U. His squad is considerably better than any squad he ever had at Everton but his lack of experience and his own misguided philosophies are costing a team whose supporters do not have a great deal of patience. His start has been disastrous so far and he's gonna have to learn quickly to get the season back on track.

Yes, he has been shown to be out of his depth so far as manager and I dont doubt any one of a number of other managers would have done better than him so far.

[Alf]

In not rotating the squad and openly questioning the quality of the players he is failing to maintain anything.
Well you've just come up with the solution to all the problems, rotating the squad and not question the accountability of the players, is the pathway to success.

I might apply if it's that easy, Should Moyes gets sacked

[Brother Leon]

Can you please stop Full Stop

Anyone who even tried to suggest Young was a good player or suggested Giggs and ****ing Scholes were at that stage better centre mids then Pogba should really not be allowed to post on a football forum

I blame this fully on Young. Funny how diabolical the standard of play has been since Ashley graced Carrington with his ****ess appears to be rubbing of on the team like a common cold

And like any virus Ashley should be dealt with as soon as possible in this case send him to the local disabled football league

Ps comparing a warrior like Darren to a streak of piss like Ashley tops all your other stupid notions regarding football

Then you are more of a fool than I already thought. Well done brah x

[Legend killer]

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Ed is a donkey but I would not fancy convincing the likes if Fab ,Thiago and co to come and lay the ball of to bums like Tony and Ashley week in week out


All joking aside as I have said many times 90% of the blame lies on Fergie I am afraid THE STATE he let this team get into in an absolute joke. If you fancy a laugh go look at our 08 team and then compare in to the team we have now

The "THERE IS NO VALUE IN THE MARKET" ATTITUDE has set us back 5 years and our fans better realise this fact and stop bitching at a manager who has been here no longer then 3 months

[Brother Leon]

Every time LK posts

http://www.terrariaonline.com/attachments/blackguyslaughing-gif.31004/

[Legend killer]

And not a SINGLE point was argued that day

PS: How are you seeing my posts when you put me on ignore???????

[Ryan57]

It's not down to the manager if the two players you mentioned (Valencia and Young) are in your expert opinion, not good enough (he didn't sign those players, he inherited them), Moyes doesn't make a pass for them, Moyes doesn't make a tackle for them, Moyes doesn't do their running for them, they do it themselves. their professional players on huge over the top wages, and if their not playing to their ability, then it say's to me that their attitude towards their work is not 100%, and they need to be shown the door and replaced by players that will show the right attitude.

First paragraph makes no sense. In this case why has any manager even been sacked if it's down to the players?

Valencia and Young are probably giving 100%. The issue is they're 'effin wank.


You mention Nani, a player who no doubt as bundles of talent, so why doesn't he show it week in week out, he's had plenty of chances in the team, but has never shown any consistency, that's an attitude problem right there, primadonna comes to mind, which goes against the philosophy of the hard working class values of Moyes.

I'm not a huge Nani fan. However, he's way ahead of the tripe Moyes chose to play before him. He needs to be given a run. Even though nobody really shone against West Brom, he was more dangerous than Valencia and Young combined in the league this season.

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?

If Moyes doesn't think Kagawa is good enough, yet seemingly believes Valencia is, then I lose any hope whatsoever.

You'd have to be very fickle about football to want rid of a manager two months into his job.

I didn't say I wanted him to be sacked.


If you only blame the manager and not the players when things go wrong, then i'd expect you to only praise the manager and not the players when things go right.

I haven't blamed just the manager. I said in a post you quoted 'it's a combination of both'...however the manager deserves flack when persisting with s-hit.

Responses in bold.

[GiRTh]

Bump.

[Locke.]

He is the perfect man for the job

[GiRTh]

Its now starting to show that Moyes has very set ideas on the first team. It looks like theres gonna be a huge clear out either January or next summer so United fans dont even think you're gonna win anything this year. And, if I were you I'd be praying that he doesnt turn you into Everton but with slightly better players.

[Jesus.]

If anything, United are out of their depth. He's a great manager.

[GiRTh]

He'll sign Shamus Coleman and Jagielka in the January window.

[Drew.]

Osman will be replacing Kagawa in January

[GiRTh]

All the people in this thread who say give him time. :joker: Do you seriously think time is the thing thats gonna stop this man from success. Just hope the style of football stays good cus from what I've seen if I were a United fan I'd be very worried.

[Brother Leon]

8 games......

8 games......

8 games......

If it is Xmas time and we still look this then I will worry. At least he is starting to grasp that Adnan and Nani are our best wingers. Just needs to give Kagawa and Hernandez more game time now.

[Jesus.]

aG76WK2bwNY

This has to be the worst song in football.

I managed to find one with lyrics, so LK can sing along.

[MTVN]

Wondered what the tune to that was, it's worse than anything I could have imagined

[Brother Leon]

It's a great chant and catchy as **** with alot of people getting on it.

[Drew.]

ah yes, Leons sig

[King Gizzard]

cheesy as ****

[Stu]

Yeah it's really awful.

[Brother Leon]

Song being belted our for 10mins straight when Sunderland scored>>>

[joeysteele]

I think he will do okay, a good run is all that is needed for a few games which can turn all around again.
Although I expected them to beat Southampton for instance on Saturday,it didn't surprise me that it was a draw,Southampton are a bit of a bogey team as to Man Utd.

[GiRTh]

aG76WK2bwNY

This has to be the worst song in football.

I managed to find one with lyrics, so LK can sing along.Oh Lordy.

[AnnieK]

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag101/anniek76/710411f8028a296430c0a983284000d7_zpsc1ffa4d1.jpg

[Drew.]

:joker:

[Legend killer]

They Moyes song is the most stupid thing I have ever seen for the simple fact WE ARE PLAYING JUST AS RUBBISH AS WE HAVE SINCE 2010 yet the fans seems to moan regardless

Results aside the standard of our football is at EXACTLY the same level as it has been since 2010 and won't change until we bring Pogba back to sort our team out

[GiRTh]

They Moyes song is the most stupid thing I have ever seen for the simple fact WE ARE PLAYING JUST AS RUBBISH AS WE HAVE SINCE 2010 yet the fans seems to moan regardless

Results aside the standard of our football is at EXACTLY the same level as it has been since 2010 and won't change until we bring Pogba back to sort our team out40 million for him. LOL

They reckon Arsenal should try and sign him just to rub United's noses in it :joker:

[Brother Leon]

David Moyes, the only unbeaten Prem Manager in the CL this season.

Pls confirm guys.

http://i.minus.com/iXsUEcAEU7dz5.gif

[GiRTh]

David Moyes, the only unbeaten Prem Manager in the CL this season.

Pls confirm guys.

http://i.minus.com/iXsUEcAEU7dz5.gifDo you think you have any chance of winning that competition? Hasnt Moyes already played down their chances and criticise the quality of the squad even though its easily the best squad he's ever had in his career? Dont you see what he's doing, he's already lowering expectations? I dont see why any United fan would be happy atm.

[Brother Leon]

Don't think we will win it,no. Barca and Bayern are another level. I do think we will do the best out of the English sides though and have a deep run.

[GiRTh]

Don't think we will win it,no. Barca and Bayern are another level. I do think we will do the best out of the English sides though and have a deep run.
Care to have a wager on that? I think you'll be in the Europa by the end of the season. You might even do well in that competition.

[Brother Leon]

Care to have a wager on that? I think you'll be in the Europa by the end of the season. You might even do well in that competition.

You think we won't qualify from the group?

We need one more win to do so. :conf:


City and Arsenal will finish 2nd and probably go out next round and I think we will go further than Chelsea tbh. My point stands :p

[GiRTh]

You think we won't qualify from the group?

We need one more win to do so. :conf:


City and Arsenal will finish 2nd and probably go out next round and I think we will go further than Chelsea tbh. My point stands :pI wont be surprised if you dont qualify. It all depends on who you've got in the league before and after cuz you know Moyes is prioritizing the league right and you're currently mid table in the league.

I dont think you will do better than any of those teams you mentioned and as an Arsenal fan I have to point out that Van Persie is suddenly back to injury prone Van Persie that he was when he was with us. Theres a long way to go and judging by the things being said by pundits and players the David Moyes United is no where near as intimidating as the Alex Ferguson United. This will get worse as the season progresses IMO.

[Jemal]

I won't be suprised if we don't qualify lol.
We could easily lose away to real sociedad and lose away to bayer leverkrusen and draw at home to shakter, those are all possibilities. So i wouldn't be shocked.

[bbfan1991]

Whoever was going to succeed SAF would always have a tough job regardless.

It was obvious that the first season would be a transitional one with the Manager getting used to how big Man Utd is and working on his relationship with the players and installing how he wants them to play, use different tactics or methods of coaching and bringing in some of his own staff to try and put his own stamp on things.


I am full of hope despite a few shoddy results that things will come together for David Moyes and the United lads once it all clicks together.

[Legend killer]

Dropped Giggs and his old ass
Dropped Ashley and his scrub ass
Gave Adnan his chance to shine
Has made Wayne happy again
Identified Centre mid and left back are our weak spots(not his fault Ed ****ed everything up)

Moyes doing all things right but the state Fergie left this team in with his no centre mid/OAP policy will take some time to turn around fully

IN MOYES WE TRUST

[MTVN]

Not like he had the whole summer and a load of cash to fix his squad problems, and wasted it messing about trying to sign bloody Fellaini

[Legend killer]

Your better then that MTVN don't sink to the knowledge levels of Novo and Leon

Moyes literally put in offers for at LEAST 4 other centre mids ahead of Fel. The fact he didn't activate his buy out clause tells you how high up on the list Moyes had him

Fergie had 6 years and tons of cash to fix our problems yet didn't so what's your point. Moyes had to deal with the whole Rooney saga aswell as a whole new backroom team

As I said earlier your better then that and although I value your opinion somewhat that won't stop you receiving a dose of education if you spout rubbish on my watch

[GiRTh]

Got to bump this.
United still havent improved, got ripped apart by Chelsea yesterday and looks like they wont be buying anyone this month and . Its not looking good :pipe:

[joeysteele]

He has a difficult time ahead.
I like Man Utd but like other teams they are surely able to have one season that is less than successful for them after such an amazing run and great success over the last 2 decades.

I think David Moyes can achieve great things at United, just not this season though.

[Brother Leon]

Meh. What other manager would do anything if they had their equivalent of Rooney,RVP,Jones and Carrick out for most of the season. That said he simply just does not install any confidence into the players and that is clear to see. The season was a write off the second the board ****ed around in the transfer window while City and Chelsea spent about 100m.

[King Gizzard]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10583041/Manchester-Uniteds-Premier-League-title-hopes-are-not-over-says-beleagured-manager-David-Moyes.html

Deluded as well

[Drew.]

He's got a squad that aren't doing the job for him. Will save most of my judging until the summer to see how he spends and what he can produce with his own new players.

[Brother Leon]

:laugh:

Honestly..one more defeat in the league and we may aswell pack it in. Adnan,Zaha,Lingard behind Welbeck and just get them experience.

[Drew.]

Wait he spent almost £30m on Fellaini, he's already failed the transfer test.

[King Gizzard]

He was boring and dull at Everton too and I knew a few (MissKittyFantastico who use to be a regular on here as one of them) who didn't really like him at everton and wanted him out on a few occasions because his football was dull and boring and so was his general character

[Drew.]

Martinez has taken Everton to a new level straight away when Moyes had them at the same standard for years

[King Gizzard]

and the shoestring budget thing has always been a myth at everton, pay big wages and nearly always have one fairly big money signing a year

the one thing to be fair to him that he can do is build a team

[GiRTh]

I'd like to know how Long the board will give Moyes. I doubt Utd will win anything this year and I even think a top four finish is a difficult task given their current position. Potential Utd may have no ECl football next year and I dont think Utd will be able to attract the top European names.

[Jesus.]

Wasn't RVP complaining of being over trained, and generally unhappy with the new training regime in pre-season? Which in turn then breaks his body down for most of this season. Not sure why Moyes gets a pass on that tbh.

The best way to judge, is by asking whether you honestly believe that Jose would have them struggling down in 7th, if he'd been given the job instead of "the chosen one".

I hope they win the league cup this year. Don't want those Glazers getting twitchy, and a nice trophy on display for his first year should guarantee at least another 1, and hopefully another 2 years. Moyes has the feel of Hodgson about him, especially with some of his comments, for example: "we got near the Swansea area on quite a few occasions", and wanting to go and celebrate after beating Wigan in the CS are classics.

He may go on to become the worlds greatest ever manager - but there is absolutely nothing in his past or present to suggest he might, and how he replaces the ageing players will define your next 10-20 years. It's much harder to play catchup when players think you're a busted flush.

[Brother Leon]

I've always supported Moyes and always will, but taking Champions to outside the top 4 should result in a sacking if that is what happens. No excuse. Yeah, it may not be "our way", but no other top club would of even waited until the end of the season really.

I'm not even going to use the weak squad excuse anymore, because every United fan knows deep down that isn't really the case bar the midfield which could of been sorted out in the summer.

[King Gizzard]

Should go for Ander again

[GiRTh]

Wasn't RVP complaining of being over trained, and generally unhappy with the new training regime in pre-season? Which in turn then breaks his body down for most of this season. Not sure why Moyes gets a pass on that tbh.

The best way to judge, is by asking whether you honestly believe that Jose would have them struggling down in 7th, if he'd been given the job instead of "the chosen one".

I hope they win the league cup this year. Don't want those Glazers getting twitchy, and a nice trophy on display for his first year should guarantee at least another 1, and hopefully another 2 years. Moyes has the feel of Hodgson about him, especially with some of his comments, for example: "we got near the Swansea area on quite a few occasions", and wanting to go and celebrate after beating Wigan in the CS are classics.

He may go on to become the worlds greatest ever manager - but there is absolutely nothing in his past or present to suggest he might, and how he replaces the ageing players will define your next 10-20 years. It's much harder to play catchup when players think you're a busted flush.That sums him up for me. :joker:

I doubt Moyes ever goes into a game, any game, thinking he's gonna win 3 or 4 nil. He's pragmatic and makes the best of what he's got but she's too small time for a club like Man Utd.

[King Gizzard]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2542577/Time-break-emergency-Glass-Fergie-ready-waiting-outside-Old-Trafford-Moyes-future-United-remains-uncertain.html

fergie watching the game with mick hucknall :joker:

[MTVN]

tbf it can only make things harder for Moyes when Fergie is there at every game anyway looming over him, it's like he never left

[King Gizzard]

yup

[Brother Leon]

You ****ing idiot,Leon.

[Lee.]

A lass I work with goes out with his son.. I met him at Xmas but had no idea who he (or his dad) was :)

[Brother Leon]

A lass I work with goes out with his son.. I met him at Xmas but had no idea who he (or his dad) was :)

Tell him his dad needs to quit and asap.

[King Gizzard]

ATM United is Villa but on a grander scale

[Legend killer]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Without question

The reality check he has had to deal with is unreal. He went from a team with the likes Luak , Baines , Barkley , Meralies(sp) to one with RVP(could not score in a brothel) Valencia (Could not score period) Young (More likely to score an own goal) Evra

[Black Dagger]

Not at all. Needs to stay at United for a few more seasons.

[Ryan57]

Totally out of his depth. We knew it before. I look back now and see why I hated him being appointed. Never wanted this waster.

[King Gizzard]

Moyes after 2-0 defeat to Olympiakos: "They have a very good home record so it wasn't unexpected." #MUFC

please tell me this isn't real

[Ryan57]

Heard he said 'I didn't see it coming'.

[Brother Leon]

TV3 interview.

Interviewer: over the years in your Manchester United career you've always had someone to grab you by the scruff of the neck and get you out of tough spots. That was Alex Ferguson. You believe this manager can do that for you?

Carrick: Well. Erm. Sir Alex wasn't on the pitch it's up to us as players to respond.
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I think I know what he was trying to do by putting the blame on themselves, but **** me :laugh:

[Ryan57]

For those who are dutch, RvP is interviewed atm at NOS.

For the english lads,

Robin said he was unhappy with the game, we played bad but they didn't create much either. The chance I had went pretty good but the shot was to hasty and if you only get one chance in a match like this...you need to score it.

But now it gets interesting. Jack van Gelder (interviewer) asked if Robin feels frustrated to be isolated all the time and because of that feels the urge to drop back.

This is RvP's reply: I do, because certain team mates keep playing in my area and constantly moving to me which makes it extremely hard for me to also play there. I now constantly have to make a run to a different position to avoid this.

Interview: Do you know what is wrong with this United?

RvP: Yeah but, I won't point fingers, because im not like that.

Could easily of been twisted. Will have to see if English media pick it up.

RVP or Moyes... Tough one.

[GiRTh]

Moyes after 2-0 defeat to Olympiakos: "They have a very good home record so it wasn't unexpected." #MUFC

please tell me this isn't real:joker:

It gives me no pleasure that I started this thread. :pipe:

[Ryan57]

talkSPORT reporting the RVP quotes were taken out of context.

[Brother Leon]

For those who are dutch, RvP is interviewed atm at NOS.

For the english lads,

Robin said he was unhappy with the game, we played bad but they didn't create much either. The chance I had went pretty good but the shot was to hasty and if you only get one chance in a match like this...you need to score it.

But now it gets interesting. Jack van Gelder (interviewer) asked if Robin feels frustrated to be isolated all the time and because of that feels the urge to drop back.

This is RvP's reply: I do, because certain team mates keep playing in my area and constantly moving to me which makes it extremely hard for me to also play there. I now constantly have to make a run to a different position to avoid this.

Interview: Do you know what is wrong with this United?

RvP: Yeah but, I won't point fingers, because im not like that.

Could easily of been twisted. Will have to see if English media pick it up.

RVP or Moyes... Tough one.

They twisted this bit slightly according to my dad who was watching it on Dutch Tele in his room. He was talking about how he would like to come back deep to touch the ball, but because there are players there already(Rooney obv lol) he feels the need to alter his runs and play differently.

Still seems like he's unhappy with the tactics though.....hardly blame him. He said he was laughing non stop..that annoys me the most really more than anything he said there.

EDIT: you beat me to it anyway lol.

[Brother Leon]

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[Ryan57]

Time to bring Adnan in and out at the right times. Biggest game of the season was deemed the right time to take him out? And with no game for 11 days. Totally out of his depth.

Petition for me, Leon and bbfan to take charge.

[MTVN]

In Moyes we trust, the choice of the people

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[Ryan57]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d27/proudtobeagamer/1618654_420945944717610_1943029010_n_zpsc2b02bbc.j pg

[the truth]

they should bring in a female manager and this should be enshrined in law at 50% of prem clubs

[Cherie]

Sralex will have to come back after this fine mess he has got us in to. The only reason he suggested Moyes was to make himself look even better.

[Jesus.]

I think it's important that we all honour the great knight of the realm, by respecting his last wish.

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[Cherie]

:worry:

[Legend killer]

Whether people want to accept it or not this has been 5-6 years in the making

Replacing Ronnie with Tony loooool
Replacing WINGER Giggs with Ashley looooooooool
Not replacing Scholes and to a lesser extent Hargreaves
Letting Pogba go whilst keeping the likes of Tom here

Carrick is playing like a 50 year old out there through no fault of his own carrying a midfield with ****ing Giggs and Cleverly beside you for 2-3 years will do that to anyone

If your not willing to put any blame onto Fergie's door your just showing the fan you are. And in simple terms your not the fans real United fans like myself want at the club so **** off and support City

[Jesus.]

Whether people want to accept it or not this has been 5-6 years in the making

Replacing Ronnie with Tony loooool
Replacing WINGER Giggs with Ashley looooooooool
Not replacing Scholes and to a lesser extent Hargreaves
Letting Pogba go whilst keeping the likes of Tom here

Carrick is playing like a 50 year old out there through no fault of his own carrying a midfield with ****ing Giggs and Cleverly beside you for 2-3 years will do that to anyone

If your not willing to put any blame onto Fergie's door your just showing the fan you are. And in simple terms your not the fans real United fans like myself want at the club so **** off and support City

I completely agree. This is all fergie's mess, and Moyes is just trying to undo all the damage he did as manager there.

Come on David Moyes
Play like fergies boys
and go wild, wild, wild
we'll go wild, wild, wild.

In Moyes we trust.

[Legend killer]

Don't get me wrong Moyes deserves heat too for no apparent reason he has started to bring the deadwood back in ala Tony Young Tom after initially dropping them

But he has shown huge promise

Identified our midfield sucks ass which Fergie could not be bothered to do anything about

Brought in genuine WC player in Mata and plans to bring in more

Promoted Adnan and has tried his best to get rid of that waste of space Patrice

Deserves another year SIMPLE AS

[Jesus.]

Don't get me wrong Moyes deserves heat too for no apparent reason he has started to bring the deadwood back in ala Tony Young Tom after initially dropping them

But he has shown huge promise

Identified our midfield sucks ass which Fergie could not be bothered to do anything about

Brought in genuine WC player in Mata and plans to bring in more

Promoted Adnan and has tried his best to get rid of that waste of space Patrice

Deserves another year SIMPLE AS

You're preaching to the converted. Moyes needs to see out his complete 6 year contract as far as I'm concerned. I'm fed up of you having a s**t manager and winning everything. Glad to finally get to see how a top class manager handles the club.

[Brother Leon]

they should bring in a female manager and this should be enshrined in law at 50% of prem clubs

Take your agenda back into Serious Debates or some ****.

[Jesus.]

Take your agenda back into Serious Debates or some ****.

Bloody hell mate, don't send him there. The fashion section is where he needs to take his agenda.

[Ryan57]

Identified our midfield sucks and brings in Fellaini.

Brings in a world class player in Mata to shove him out on the wing.

What a manager!

Also, Fergie set up the deal for Thiago Alcantara and Moyes deemed him not capable of doing it in the Premier League. Once again, what a manager! Deemed Ander Herrera to not be worth £30 million, yet Fellaini is worth £2 million less. PMSL.

Takes a team that was champions last year, although does have weaknesses, from 1st to 7th for most of the season. Not a chance of making the Top 4. I'm sure the likes of Pep and Jose would of had us playing diabolical football and scrapping for a Europa League spot.

Doesn't deserve another day, let alone a year.

[GiRTh]

Whether people want to accept it or not this has been 5-6 years in the making

Replacing Ronnie with Tony loooool
Replacing WINGER Giggs with Ashley looooooooool
Not replacing Scholes and to a lesser extent Hargreaves
Letting Pogba go whilst keeping the likes of Tom here

Carrick is playing like a 50 year old out there through no fault of his own carrying a midfield with ****ing Giggs and Cleverly beside you for 2-3 years will do that to anyone

If your not willing to put any blame onto Fergie's door your just showing the fan you are. And in simple terms your not the fans real United fans like myself want at the club so **** off and support CitySome of this is Fergies fault but you have to admire the way he won trophies with a mediocre team,. I think Fergie planned to retire a few years ago and thus why he let the squad - particularly the midfield - turn to sh*t. He seemed to know that if United had great strikers then they had a chance in most domestic competitions.

However Moyes deserves far more criticism that you're giving him. His comment after last night games again reinforced his loser/small club attitude when he said that they had a good home records so the result wasnt unexpected. If he's giving the Greek Champions that level of respect then how the hell does he think he's gonna beat Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Bayern etc.

He also may have identified weaknesses in the squad but I dread to think who he's gonna bring in to replace them. The Mata signing is no0thing to shout about cuz Mata wasnt a Chelsea regular so you basically bought a player who wasnt wanted by one of your biggest rivals. I'd be asking why doesnt Jose like him rather than praising Moyes for bringing in Mata's world class talent.

Even thoguh I'm an Arsenal fan I actually like Man UTd. They've been great ambassadors for English football and they are the only team for over a decade that have consistently been high achievers in Europe. Liverpool, Chelsea and us dont have such a pedigree but I think SAF was clearly winding down over the past few years but Moyes has taken the decline to a whole new level. I think the board need to act soon before he does more damage to the club and as I've said a few times, I take no satisfaction in that I called it in September. By now I was expecting there to have been some improvement but if any thing Man Utd have got worse' You're even more beatable now than you were back then. This is not looking good for your club. Sorry

[Ryan57]

Fergie shoulders huge blame, also. Whatever way anybody looks at it. Even the arse lickers are coming around to the idea that Moyes isn't the man.

I fully appreciate all Fergie did, but he has made this mess. Along with Charlton.

Whether you deem the team to not be good enough, they were Fergie's players. Or whether you deem Moyes to not be the right man, Fergie chose him.

It's about time The Glazers grew a pair and went above Fergie.

[Ryan57]

At last, the media are criticising him.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhWnJPYCIAEwzdU.jpg:large

[GiRTh]

About time the press started wading in.

[Brother Leon]

The most blame Sir Alex should take is choosing Moyes in the first place. Bar RVP the majority of his last few signings in DDG,Smalling,Jones and Zaha were all for the future and the next manager. Yes he ignored the midfield, but he was still winning without one and the New manager could easy of bought a new midfielder or two they liked themselves and set off from there. You think Jose or anyone else doesn't seal the Garay,Thiago or Herrera deal and then contend with this very same squad?

Of those signings for the future, DDG has proved to be one of the best in the world,but Moyes has shipped out Zaha and is hell bent on dashing any confidence Smalling and Jones have by playing them as Right Back due to selling Fabio for peanuts. Should Fergie of signed a midfielder anyway...well yeah of course, because our new manager proved to be an idiot in the market and splashed the cash on Fellaini of all people. Moyes simply underestimated how much motivation these players needed. He probably came in thinking they will keep on winning when in reality the best thing Sir Alex was good at was constantly motivating them and setting new goals for them no matter how much they may of won.

Anyway, there is no point complaining really...there is no chance he goes before around Christmas.

EDIT: About time the Media woke up. AVB was hounded out,while doing more with less.

[Jesus.]

The most blame Sir Alex should take is choosing Moyes in the first place. Bar RVP the majority of his last few signings in DDG,Smalling,Jones and Zaha were all for the future and the next manager. Yes he ignored the midfield, but he was still winning without one and the New manager could easy of bought a new midfielder or two they liked themselves and set off from there. You think Jose or anyone else doesn't seal the Thiago or Herrera deal and then contend with this very same squad?

Of those signings for the future, DDG has proved to be one of the best in the world,but Moyes has shipped out Zaha and is hell bent on dashing any confidence Smalling and Jones have by playing them as Right Back due to selling Fabio for peanuts. Should Fergie of signed a midfielder anyway...well yeah of course, because our new manager proved to be an idiot in the market and splashed the cash on Fellaini of all people. Moyes simply underestimated how much motivation these players needed. He probably came in thinking they will keep on winning when in reality the best thing Sir Alex was good at was constantly motivating them and setting new goals for them no matter how much they may of won.

Anyway, there is no point complaining really...there is no chance he goes before around Christmas.

EDIT: About time the Media woke up. AVB was hounded out,while doing more with less.

That's a really good post, and pretty much 100% spot on.

[Ryan57]

The most blame Sir Alex should take is choosing Moyes in the first place. Bar RVP the majority of his last few signings in DDG,Smalling,Jones and Zaha were all for the future and the next manager. Yes he ignored the midfield, but he was still winning without one and the New manager could easy of bought a new midfielder or two they liked themselves and set off from there. You think Jose or anyone else doesn't seal the Garay,Thiago or Herrera deal and then contend with this very same squad?

Of those signings for the future, DDG has proved to be one of the best in the world,but Moyes has shipped out Zaha and is hell bent on dashing any confidence Smalling and Jones have by playing them as Right Back due to selling Fabio for peanuts. Should Fergie of signed a midfielder anyway...well yeah of course, because our new manager proved to be an idiot in the market and splashed the cash on Fellaini of all people. Moyes simply underestimated how much motivation these players needed. He probably came in thinking they will keep on winning when in reality the best thing Sir Alex was good at was constantly motivating them and setting new goals for them no matter how much they may of won.

Anyway, there is no point complaining really...there is no chance he goes before around Christmas.

EDIT: About time the Media woke up. AVB was hounded out,while doing more with less.

With a proper manager in the summer we'd of fixed midfield at last. Fergie even set up a deal for a top midfielder, yet Moyes deemed one of the best young midfielders on the planet to not be good enough for the Premier League...

Edit: Oh yes, Garay as well deemed not good enough by Moyes. Absolutely laughable.

[Brother Leon]

There was the Garay deal with Benfica all but done according to the player himself too. There were two strong signings in positions of need and they were both ****ed up :laugh:

[Ryan57]

Moyes also replaced a backroom squad with a bunch of nobodies.

Absolutely embarrassing coaching team.

[MTVN]

Moyes leading the sack race with bookies now, even ahead of Pepe Mel, hmm

[Brother Leon]

Pepe Mel?

Didn't he just join them and get good results against Liverpool and Chelsea? Poor guy lol

[Ryan57]

Moyes leading the sack race with bookies now, even ahead of Pepe Mel, hmm

Please let it happen.

[MTVN]

Pepe Mel?

Didn't he just join them and get good results against Liverpool and Chelsea? Poor guy lol

Yeah loads of places were reporting he's fighting for his future now and not far from being sacked, though SSN are saying now that his jobs not under threat

He hasn't done particularly badly or anything just not won a game yet, the guy is a draw specialist

[Ryan57]

Raymond Goh
‏@raymondjian97
How dumb I am..stupid moyes spoil all..I will sack u soon..give us good management or not u will deserve it..2+1=3..for me 2+1=1000000..wtf

That's one way of putting it.

[Jesus.]

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[Ryan57]

:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

For the good of the Premier League Moyes has to leave Man Utd and I would put Fergie in as Interim Manager if he wanted it as he can easily sort out the position that they are in the Premiership at the minute.

[Cherie]

Fergie has some serious egg on his face. If Moyes is sacked I could see him coming back even if just for a short period of time.

[Ryan57]

they should bring in a female manager and this should be enshrined in law at 50% of prem clubs

Would like us to bring a porn star as manager. For a win every player gets to bang her. Giggs would go on until he's 50.

[Jesus.]

http://i.imgur.com/QqWhjNF.jpg

[DDRickyDD]

David Moyes' biggest achievement in football is winning Division Two (League One) with Preston North End in 2000. That says it all!

[Brother Leon]

David Moyes' biggest achievement in football is winning Division Two (League One) with Preston North End in 2000. That says it all!

I would say taking a **** team fighting relegation and making them frequent battlers for the top 6 in the prem would be it tbf. His Everton achievements shouldn't be disregarded...he's just not up to this job unfortunately.

[Ryan57]

Raphael Honigstein says a source close to the players has told him he's lost the dressing room and should go now.

I imagine it's BS, unfortunately.

[Drew.]

Probably just Kagawa who must hates the sight of Moyes

[Jesus.]

Raphael Honigstein says a source close to the players has told him he's lost the dressing room and should go now.

I imagine it's BS, unfortunately.

5 more years, 5 more years.

I imagine your next 3 games will decide what happens. I think you might beat us, but lose to the Greeks and city, and I think that's game over.

[Jesus.]

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[Ryan57]

Probably just Kagawa who must hates the sight of Moyes

Add Hernandez, RVP and Rio to that list. Could even be more.

Jesus, we have no chance of beating you. :joker:

[Jesus.]

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[Cherie]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e9/deci_gallen/moyes_zpsc3b7a033.gif?t=1393427731

:joker:

yep that is the level we are at.

[Ryan57]

jGVECNBPuG8

:joker:

[GiRTh]

ZOnal marking calling it correct for the Olympiakos game. It looks like Moyes was also out tactic-ed as well as his team being outplayed. LOL

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/02/26/olympiakos-2-0-manchester-united-tactics/

United were simply dreadful. Aside from Vidic, frequently called into action because his teammates were failing to stop midfield runners, it’s difficult to think of anything that went right for Moyes’ side.

Without the ball United didn’t press, even when chasing the game, and made a succession of feeble tackles – best epitomised by the way Campbell outwitted Carrick for the second goal. With possession, there were a succession of misplaced passes and poor first touches. Wayne Rooney came deep for the ball but Robin van Persie had little support, and made little attempt to vary his position to cause the centre-backs problems – he complained about his teammates’ positioning after the game.

Rio Ferdinand was probably United’s worst performer, however. He made mistakes both positionally and in possession, and in the final minutes managed to take a dreadful first touch, realise he was vulnerable to the pace of substitute David Fuster (now 32 years old, and no longer as quick as at his peak) so committed a cynical foul near the touchline. It summed up his evening.time to retire Rio. :joker:

Olympiakos aren’t a particularly talented side, and therefore attention will inevitably be upon Manchester United’s shocking all-round performance. Moyes’ team were second-best all over the pitch: nervous at the back, careless in midfield, impotent upfront.

However, great credit should go to Michel and his players, who performed beyond all expectations. The shape of the midfield pressured United from the start, Dominguez’s forward bursts provided excitement and a clear goal threat, and some of the passing down the flanks was impressive too.

The problem was the final 15 minutes, when they played too defensively, and if they replicate that strategy at Old Trafford, United will have a decent chance of turning this tie around.I dont share the reviewers optimism. :joker:

[GiRTh]

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Just got sent this brilliant vid. For those who think Moyes tactics are great and its all down to the players. Look at all the little runs kagawa makes, look at the times he's standing in a pocket of space only for the ball to be hoofed long or played out wide. Does Moyes think he's gonna beat the best in Europe playing like this? :joker:

[Ryan57]

Biggest problem we have is a loser as manager. The man isn't a winner and never will be. Bottling it against Olympiacos sums him up.

Before the Newcastle game he said, 'we'll make it hard for them'... WTF?! We're the champions, at home, to 'effin Newcastle. It's Newcastle who should be making it hard for us. You'd never hear the likes of Jose or Pep saying something like that.

[Jesus.]

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[GiRTh]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/841/u3sa.jpg:joker:

[Brother Leon]

I'm seeing a few Journalists and even Fans say that we should Sell RVP if he isn't happy and let Moyes bring in his own players etc. I don't know what world they live in. At this rate we will probably lose RVP,Kagawa,Nani and Hernandez due to Moyes not having a clue how to use them. These are 4 players who possess some quality going instead of just telling the manager to do one.

What is worse is when we hear about Moyes getting rid of the deadwood and bringing in quality instead etc. People who expect this are in for a shock. The deadwood isn't going anywhere when we are probably going to lose 4-6 quality players. The likes of Valencia,Clev and Young will still be here at least for next season while Kagawa and RVP are elsewhere and "B" grade players are signed for overpriced prices.

The club needs to move on from the Sir Alex mentality. He was bigger than the players because he warranted it. This joker isn't and If it is a a choice it is pretty clear who we should back.

[Black Dagger]

jGVECNBPuG8

:joker:

I ****ing love this guy, I watch every single video he does after a loss.

[GiRTh]

I'm seeing a few Journalists and even Fans say that we should Sell RVP if he isn't happy and let Moyes bring in his own players etc. I don't know what world they live in. At this rate we will probably lose RVP,Kagawa,Nani and Hernandez due to Moyes not having a clue how to use them. These are 4 players who possess some quality going instead of just telling the manager to do one.

What is worse is when we hear about Moyes getting rid of the deadwood and bringing in quality instead etc. People who expect this are in for a shock. The deadwood isn't going anywhere when we are probably going to lose 4-6 quality players. The likes of Valencia,Clev and Young will still be here at least for next season while Kagawa and RVP are elsewhere and "B" grade players are signed for overpriced prices.

The club needs to move on from the Sir Alex mentality. He was bigger than the players because he warranted it. This joker isn't and If it is a a choice it is pretty clear who we should back.:thumbs:

I find it amazing that Kagawa was touted as one of the best playmakers in Europe just two years ago and RVP is one of the best in the world but the manager seems quite happy to either play them out of position or not play them at all while squad players get game after game after game.

[Jesus.]

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[GiRTh]

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LOL at this. Johnny Giles reckons Moyes should just get rid of RVP. I dont think he can even if he wants to. Ferguson could get rid of him cuz he had won so much but no trophy Moyes cant get rid of a genuine world class player who is capable of 30 goals a season and replace him with whom?

[King Gizzard]

He won't get 30 again though, and I reckon Cavani is obtainable if you're willing to spend a **** load, Falcao also

[GiRTh]

He won't get 30 again though, and I reckon Cavani is obtainable if you're willing to spend a **** load, Falcao alsoHE wont get 30 this season but I think you'll agree RVP is a genuine world class player. Do you think those players will come to United if they dont qualify for the Champions league with a manger who's never won anything and has taken the champions to a mid table position??

[King Gizzard]

If you pay them enough, Falcao went to Monaco with an average of about 3000 fans per home game and Ranieri in charge, Cavani went to PSG with Blanc in charge

[GiRTh]

I dont share your optimism. The bloke on the right - dont know his name - talks sense when he says Moyes doesnt seem to have any kind of plan in mind.

[Brother Leon]

Let's be real. RVP is gone. As is Kagawa,Hernandez and Nani. An absolute **** load is going to be spent just replacing that never mind "filling the huge holes" the squad has already. Moyes ain't getting sacked because Sir Alex and Sir Bobby genuinely think he needs time.

With Moyes in charge and the amount of investment he needs just to challenge United aren't sniffing the title again until around 2016ish. Just hope Liverpool don't either :laugh:


If RVP goes the worst thing the club can do Is sign Falcao or Cavani. Move Rooney up there and Welbeck/value signing backing him up. A proper number 10 in Mata can play where he needs to then. Falcao and Cavani will take up a lot of the budget and wont really work.

[King Gizzard]

Oh I don't have any optimism for Moyes either, just making the point I think United could get most players they wanted if they threw money at them, regardless of current manager and situation

[Brother Leon]

Yeah. They need to go for the Mercenaries or foreign players who may still value the name etc. Would want the big money to towards a midfielder and left back mostly.

[Brother Leon]

On a bright note. Record 600m deal with Nike seems confirmed. Glazers must be doing cartwheels. I'm surprised Woodward still managed to get that crazy a deal. Fair play to him.

[King Gizzard]

Shaw would be a good start, make a statement and beat the likes of Chelsea and United to him, regardless of who he supported as a kid. That's your LB for 10 years

[GiRTh]

Oh I don't have any optimism for Moyes either, just making the point I think United could get most players they wanted if they threw money at them, regardless of current manager and situationI agree that if they offer 250 grand a week they'll get anyone but I dont think that will solve the problem and I dont think Moyes will be able to handle star names.

I think just about everyone is seeing now that Moyes is indeed out of his depth. He's now in a bit of a hole cuz if he sells players who have won trophy's and brings in more over priced squad players like Fellaini then Man Utd will quickly turn to mid table mediocrity.

[King Gizzard]

Yeah, when you're a club the size of United, you can't have 'projects', you need immediate success, the likes of Pep and Mourinho can deliver straight away

Well, I say that, but Pep's never really had to deal with a terrible squad in his career (neither has Mourinho to an extent but he's had to rebuild somewhat)

[GiRTh]

The United squad isnt terrible but there are a number of aging players and squad players luxuriating in the first team. I think Mourinho did wonders at Inter winning the Champions league. That wasnt a great squad at all but he got the best out of them. Moys cant take a number of years to get his kind of players in he needs to show that he can get the job done with the players he's got.

[Brother Leon]

DDG - Give him 500k a week for life.

Rafael
Jones (C)
Evans/Smalling
Shaw

CM
CM

Januzaj
Mata
Kagawa/Welbeck for tricky games to do "the job"

RVP
--

That would be my ideal realistic XI next season. Then you have the likes of Players starting now being squad players like Carrick,Fellaini and Welbeck,Nani,Young amongst other attacking threats.

Rooney will be there for RVP in reality though.

Wet Dream CM would be Kross and Gundoghan, but that isn't happening. I think Carvalho and someone else cheaper most likely. Bar RVP that XI could play for years too. It will take heavy spending, but if they are serious about bloody Moyes then the board better deliver with funds :laugh:

[GiRTh]

DDD - Give him 500k a week for life.

Rafael
Jones (C)
Evans/Smalling
Shaw

CM
CM

Januzaj
Mata
Kagawa/Welbeck for tricky games to do "the job"

RVP
--

That would be my ideal realistic XI next season. Then you have the likes of Players starting now being squad players like Carrick,Fellaini and Welbeck,Nani,Young amongst other attacking threats.

Rooney will be there for RVP in reality though.

Wet Dream CM would be Kross and Gundoghan, but that isn't happening. I think Carvalho and someone else cheaper most likely. Bar RVP that XI could play for years too. It will take heavy spending, but if they are serious about bloody Moyes then the board better deliver with funds :laugh:Thats a good team but Moyes has already made it clear he's not keen on Kagawa, Evans and Kagawa. I dread to think who he's gonna bring in to replace them.

[Ryan57]

The bald headed guy is right. Moyes had nothing whatsoever making him deserving of the job. No way should this team of players be at 7th for most of the season.

No way would I trust him with a reported £200 million.

You can have the best players in the world in your team, but if you're a crap manager, you're not going to do well.

[GiRTh]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2576761/What-David-Moyes-doing-watching-Lancashire-derby-Ewood-Park.html

Moyes could be lining up Danny Ings to replace RVP. :joker:

And this is unfortunately what I fear he'll do; replace genuine world class players with average squad players :joker::joker::joker:

[GiRTh]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/14/david-moyes-manchester-united-underdogs-liverpool

Moyes is at it again. Apparently, Liverpool are favourites tomorrow cuz they've benefited from being out of Europe. I personally think being out of Europe has nothing to do with it but at least he once again has his excuses ready. :joker:

[Ryan57]

They are probably favourites, and being out of Europe has helped them, though.

However,

Tomorrow is the day when Dave rises from the ashes to dent Liverpool's title hopes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhbfvobIIAEypO3.jpg

[Jesus.]

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[Black Dagger]

Save our dave <3.

[AnnieK]

Rumour has it he will be out if we don't beat Olympiacos....Juergen Klopp in the frame to replace him from the new season :amazed:

[Black Dagger]

I hope not. I like Klopp </3.

[AnnieK]

I hope not. I like Klopp </3.

I love him...I hope we do get him and then we can forget about this awful season....

[Jesus.]

Klopp doesn't break his contracts, and he has 2 more years left to run, so there is no way in hell Klopp will be united manager next season.

He might be in the frame from the united perspective, but he won't accept that job in a million years.

[Locke.]

Moyesy is going nowhere

[GiRTh]

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Check out this hilarious vid from this very funny youtube channel.

This blokes seen it all he can even remember Wilf McGuinnes. Got to agree with him Moyes i an Everton manager, a Preston manger but not a Man Utd manager.

[Brother Leon]

He's ****en bobbins mate.

[GiRTh]

He's ****en bobbins mate.:joker:

[Ryan57]

He'll be here next season no doubt. Fergie is too stubborn. Letting him pick a manager, deary me... The Glazers have no bollocks. Fergie had no right in picking a manager.

[Jesus.]

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2152583.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Manchester-United-v-Wigan-Athletic-FA-Community-Shield-2152583.jpg

One trophy in the cabinet already, with the CL to follow, and he's made a very promising start to his career at united.

[Ryan57]

Even bigger disgrace is the fact Fergie chose him because he was Scottish. Everyone, myself included, who said that was the reason were shouted down. Fergie then revealed that was the reason. And also because he had a 'good work ethic'...

This mess is all down to Fergie and Bobby Charlton. The Glazers should go above the pair of them and if Fergie and Bobby want to go due to it... Let them.

[Jesus.]

You really think that slur chose Moyes because of his nationality? Over and above the fact he's known and mentored him for years?

[Ryan57]

You really think that slur chose Moyes because of his nationality? Over and above the fact he's known and mentored him for years?

Fergie was asked at a Q&A in London regarding his book about why Moyes got the job. He also mentions why in his autobiography. He never mentioned a football reason.

[Ryan57]

From his book:

"...They wanted a new man in place within days.

A lot of Scots have a dourness about them: a strong will. When they leave Scotland it tends to be for one reason only. To be successful. Scots don’t leave to escape the past. They move away to better themselves. You see it all over the world, in America and Canada especially. Leaving the homeland creates a certain resolution. It’s not a mask; it’s a determination to get things done. The Scottish dourness others talk about sometimes applied to me as well.

The Scotsman abroad doesn’t lack humour. David Moyes is not short of wit. In their jobs, though, the Scots are serious about their labours, an invaluable quality. People often said to me, ‘I never see you smile during a game.’ I would reply, ‘I’m not there to smile, I’m there to win the match.’

David had some of these traits. I knew his family background. His father was a coach at Drumchapel, where I played as a lad. David Moyes senior. They have a good family feel about them. I’m not saying that’s a reason to hire someone but you like to see good foundations in someone appointed to such high office. I left Drumchapel in 1957 when David senior would have been a young boy, so there was no direct crossover, but I knew their story."


The fact he was Scottish and had a good work ethic played a part is disgraceful. About time Fergie admitted he made a mistake.

[Jesus.]

When they leave Scotland it tends to be for one reason only. To be successful.

I think that probably resonated more than the fact he's Scottish, but fair enough. I hadn't seen that before, and it is quite a strange thing that he highlighted his nationality. But that just makes it funnier

[GiRTh]

but you like to see good foundations in someone appointed to such high officeHigh office? You'd think Moyes was elected President.

[Drew.]

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[Jesus.]

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[the truth]

From his book:



The fact he was Scottish and had a good work ethic played a part is disgraceful. About time Fergie admitted he made a mistake.

how is that disgraceful?

[the truth]

I think that probably resonated more than the fact he's Scottish, but fair enough. I hadn't seen that before, and it is quite a strange thing that he highlighted his nationality. But that just makes it funnier

why is it strange?

[King Gizzard]

Fergie recommended our owner McLeish, so Man United should never have trusted Fergie's judgement on managers

Think the only former player of his that is actually a decent coach is Bruce

[Brother Leon]

Fergie recommended our owner McLeish, so Man United should never have trusted Fergie's judgement on managers

Think the only former player of his that is actually a decent coach is Bruce

Laurent Blanc doing well for himself too. Ole will do ok, but he's just picked a terrible first English job.

[King Gizzard]

Forgot Blanc, but then again I didn't really think Fergie would have 'moulded' him as such or been on the end of the phone alot

Might have been though

[MTVN]

Ole will be back managing Sunday league standard teams in Norway by next season

[King Gizzard]

Sort of respected him as a manager when he turned us down, but then he went and signed for Cardiff who are much less stable than us, he'd have had a better set up here

[King Gizzard]

But he'd have signed all those Norwegian jobbers

[GiRTh]

Khlz7Kwkoz8:joker:

Its like this guys lost a close relative.

[Drew.]

"It's mooysehh"

[Drew.]

Cleverleeh

[Drew.]

Fellaineeh

[Brother Leon]

The next time you see a Sports post by LK, just remember that he wanted Moyes to replace Sir Alex 3 years ago.... :joker:

[Chuck]

omgz :lovedup: @ that guys accent

[Brother Leon]

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Look at those GIFs man :(.

I do feel for him tbf. He does seem a good guy and he obviously works hard, but **** me he's in over his head here and the players couldn't give a **** about him. He done a great job for Everton( no matter what some of their bitter fans will try say...I'm sure they would take finishing 4th/5th and finishing above Liverpool this season if they could). That's his level. Hopefully he's put out of his misery soon and he can go to Newcastle or something and rebuild his career.

[the truth]

as for what nationality surely if hodgson blows it, then its time to ban any non scotsman from managing engerland

[Jesus.]

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[GiRTh]

Compiled by Manchester Evening News, here’s the disastrous list of excuses used by David Moyes for Manchester united’s defeats this term…

“I hope it’s not because United won the league quite comfortably last season that the fixtures have been made more difficult.” – Before the season had even started.

“I thought we played well, I thought we did an awful lot of good things, it just wasn’t our day.” – Following the loss away to Liverpool.

“Did we miss out on a lot of targets? No. Was it disappointing? No.” – When asked if he was disappointed with united’s transfer window.

“We didn’t play well enough to win the game. I’ve been here many times with Everton and don’t think I’ve suffered a defeat like this.” – After the 4-1 defeat to bitter rivals Manchester City.

“We’ve just not played that well. We should be scoring more from open play.” – After the shock loss to West Brom at Old Trafford.

“It’s a sore one against your old team. We have a long way to go.” – Post Everton defeat.

”The game raised my spirits. It just made me more determined that we improve and get better.” – After his side’s second consecutive home defeat, this time to Newcastle.

“It’s a stonewall penalty kick. We didn’t play badly. We deserved to win, if not win, at worst draw.” – After losing to Spurs on January 1.

“We don’t come away thinking we deserved to lose – but we did.” – After Swansea loss in the FA cup.

“I can sense the team are getting better. We were unlucky to lose tonight’s game.”- When Sunderland knocked them out of the league Cup.

“The first goal took a deflection. We didn’t deserve to be a goal down. We might have been a goal up.” – After the 3-1 defeat to Chelsea.

“I don’t know what we haw to do to win. I thought we were extremely unlucky.” – United lose to Stoke…

“You could say mental softness that we didn’t see the job out. I don’t know if we could have done an awful lot more.” – Fulham earn a draw at Old Trafford.

“I take responsibility. I am just surprised. I didn’t see that level of performance coming.” – After the awful Champions League performance versus Olympiakos.

“Some decisions went for them which were important at the right time. We just didn’t get to the standards required to beat Liverpool.” – Following the humiliation at the hands of Liverpool on Sunday. :joker:

LINK (http://www.fanatix.com/news/oh-dear-a-huge-list-of-every-excuse-manchester-united-boss-david-moyes-has-made-for-defeats-this-season/198363/)

[Ryan57]

how is that disgraceful?

I could find a charity shop cleaner, that's Scottish, and has a good work ethic, does that make him deserving of the Man Utd job?

Letting Fergie pick sums up what little bollocks the Glazers have got. And allowing Bobby Charlton to have a say, despite his ironic reasons for not wanting Jose here, just tops it off.

[Jesus.]

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[Jesus.]

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[Ryan57]

I collect the Season Reviews. This season's will be the worst of the collection. Don't think I'll buy that pile of crap on release.

[GiRTh]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhWVM7SIAAAOLCu.jpghttp://talksport.com/football/moyes-claims-man-united-unlucky-lose-stoke-14020178199

:joker: 1.50 'We got to the byline at least 8 or nine times'.

Listen to how this chump talks. This is against Stoke not Barcelona. :laugh2:

[Jesus.]

I'm going to miss this thread when the inevitable happens.

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[the truth]

I could find a charity shop cleaner, that's Scottish, and has a good work ethic, does that make him deserving of the Man Utd job?

Letting Fergie pick sums up what little bollocks the Glazers have got. And allowing Bobby Charlton to have a say, despite his ironic reasons for not wanting Jose here, just tops it off.

youre exaggerated examples is meaningless....moyes had a good record at a weaker club.....hes been a manager for donkeys years at the top level.....hes got the best out of a lot of players too....fergie and others knew him and respected him as a good football man, the fact hes from scotland and has a good strong family around him was an added bonus. hes not a charity shop cleaner, hes an experienced football manager. as for jose , hes awesome. but did he want it? his heart was at chelski and he tends to leave clubs after a few years which isnt the man utd way

[King Gizzard]

Wonder if he will be out of job if they get a terrible result tomorrow

[Brother Leon]

Wonder if he will be out of job if they get a terrible result tomorrow

There isn't any point sacking him immediately anyway as the season would be finished and the damage done. If they aren't looking for a replacement for the summer though then the board are slacking.

[the truth]

he inherited a squad with serious weakness in midfield and aging centre backs

[King Gizzard]

but they were still way good enough for top 4 on paper, not even achieving that

[Brother Leon]

he inherited a squad with serious weakness in midfield and aging centre backs

Smalling/Jones/Evans


That trio is more than good enough. He could of signed one more in the summer too, but he deemed Garay not good enough when Sir Alex had the deal sorted...his fault.

The midfield..he deemed Thiago not good enough and chose to buy Fellaini instead of Herrera...I don't want to hear any bull**** about the squad... A midfield of Young,Carrick,Clev and Valencia went to the Etihad last season and not just won, but out played City..Moyes has much better options than Sir Alex had since around 09 when we still had Ronaldo and Tevez in attack.

Even if the squad was "weaker than the contenders" there is no excuse losing to WBA,Newcastle and Swansea at Old Trafford.

[Locke.]

Pretty interesting

http://i.imgur.com/bKdt0sn.jpg

[Jesus.]

Football is about consistency, and Moyes leads the way.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

They will lose to West Ham on sat as we have the Indian sign over them and always batter them when they need the points the most.

[Brother Leon]

Football is about consistency, and Moyes leads the way.

aTVspy43xxI

Imagine That being sung in the terraces :laugh:

[Ryan57]

youre exaggerated examples is meaningless....moyes had a good record at a weaker club.....hes been a manager for donkeys years at the top level.....hes got the best out of a lot of players too....fergie and others knew him and respected him as a good football man, the fact hes from scotland and has a good strong family around him was an added bonus. hes not a charity shop cleaner, hes an experienced football manager. as for jose , hes awesome. but did he want it? his heart was at chelski and he tends to leave clubs after a few years which isnt the man utd way

He's certainly got the best out of United's players hasn't he? So many people respected him that he was never offered a top job at a world class club before United.

I wonder why?

He does have a good, strong, family. His daughter provides great support. Especially in the groin area of his players.

[Ryan57]

he inherited a squad with serious weakness in midfield and aging centre backs

Fergie did leave behind a crap midfield and some aging problems at centre back.

However, Fergie set up deals for Thiago Alcantara, who would of fixed the creativity in midfield problem, and Ezequial Garay to replace Ferdinand. What did Moyes do? Decided he didn't want them.

So, not only would Moyes of inherited the Champions he'd of had two problems fixed before he'd even sat down in his office for the first time.

Instead he signs Fellaini.

Edit: Leon basically covered it. :joker:

I will add though, this squad should of been more than capable of finish in the top 4. Would the likes of Jose, Guardiola or Klopp have us in seventh spot and losing to the likes of West Brom and Newcastle at home? No.

[Jesus.]

Fergie did leave behind a crap midfield and some aging problems at centre back.

However, Fergie set up deals for Thiago Alcantara, who would of fixed the creativity in midfield problem, and Ezequial Garay to replace Ferdinand. What did Moyes do? Decided he didn't want them.

So, not only would Moyes of inherited the Champions he'd of had two problems fixed before he'd even sat down in his office for the first time.

Instead he signs Fellaini.

Edit: Leon basically covered it. :joker:

I will add though, this squad should of been more than capable of finish in the top 4. Would the likes of Jose, Guardiola or Klopp have us in seventh spot and losing to the likes of West Brom and Newcastle at home? No.

I don't doubt the Tiago stuff, but I also think that Pep could and would have stepped it at any point required to make sure he got his man. There's enough of a stick to beat the chosen one with, I don't think losing an ex Barca player to Pep at the European champions is one of them.

[GiRTh]

Fergie did leave behind a crap midfield and some aging problems at centre back.

However, Fergie set up deals for Thiago Alcantara, who would of fixed the creativity in midfield problem, and Ezequial Garay to replace Ferdinand. What did Moyes do? Decided he didn't want them.

So, not only would Moyes of inherited the Champions he'd of had two problems fixed before he'd even sat down in his office for the first time.

Instead he signs Fellaini.

Edit: Leon basically covered it. :joker:

I will add though, this squad should of been more than capable of finish in the top 4. Would the likes of Jose, Guardiola or Klopp have us in seventh spot and losing to the likes of West Brom and Newcastle at home? No.
Absolutely spot on. :thumbs:

I think its now clear SAF was winding down in his last few years but there is no way United should be in this mess. Everything was in place for Moyes to succeed but he fired all the back room staff and decided he didnt want the players who were already virtually signed. Moyes wanted to do it his was and now we see he has no way.

[Jesus.]

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[Ryan57]

I don't doubt the Tiago stuff, but I also think that Pep could and would have stepped it at any point required to make sure he got his man. There's enough of a stick to beat the chosen one with, I don't think losing an ex Barca player to Pep at the European champions is one of them.

The deal was set up long before Pep came in for him. Moyes could of signed him pretty much instantly, instead he dithered, and in the end chose to sign an average player in Fellaini.

[King Gizzard]

We dem Moyes boys aren't we Leon

[Ryan57]

I thought about this earlier, if we progress tonight and get drawn against a Bayern Munich or Real Madrid... Moyes' position could well become untenable. As we'd get absolutely slaughtered. A la Barcelona last season.

[King Gizzard]

but then would you want the new manager also getting slaughtered by bayern/madrid, might as well stick with him till the end of the season so the new guy doesn't keep losing

[Ryan57]

I was thinking we'd sack him after the second leg. However, if it was after a first leg defeat then we'd probably get at least a half decent result with a new, better, manager.

[Jesus.]

The deal was set up long before Pep came in for him. Moyes could of signed him pretty much instantly, instead he dithered, and in the end chose to sign an average player in Fellaini.

Yeah, I know what you're saying, but that deal was probably sorted before Pep joined Bayern. My point was that Unless he'd actually signed the contract with you, then I think Peps interest in Thiago would have made him reconsider his options.

[King Gizzard]

I thought about this earlier, if we progress tonight and get drawn against a Bayern Munich or Real Madrid... Moyes' position could well become untenable. As we'd get absolutely slaughtered. A la Barcelona last season.

too far gone in the season and you don't have much to play for apart from Europa which I think youll get (the club will want it for coefficients and stuff) so you may as well wait now and let a new guy have a summer

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not long now

Its like watching a car crash in slow motion...

[Ryan57]

too far gone in the season and you don't have much to play for apart from Europa which I think youll get (the club will want it for coefficients and stuff) so you may as well wait now and let a new guy have a summer

If we got someone in now he'd be able to get to know the players and perhaps decide who he wants to keep and who he wants to get rid of.

[Cherie]

If we got someone in now he'd be able to get to know the players and perhaps decide who he wants to keep and who he wants to get rid of.

Fergie will step in as interim manager as he has serious egg on his face after picking Moyes

[Cherie]

:joker: I have posted this before, and enjoy the absolute silence that follows..

[AnnieK]

Fergie will step in as interim manager as he has serious egg on his face after picking Moyes

When the rumour mill started about Klopp coming, they said it would bethe start of next season and an interim would see the season out. My guess would it be SAF or maybe Micky Phelan back...:shrug:

[Brother Leon]

Sir Alex isn't coming back as interim manager. The new manager shouldn't have to take over from him yet again.

[Cherie]

Phelan possibly!

[MTVN]

Fergie should just piss off altogether tbh, whoever the manager is wouldn't like him looming over them every game in the director's box, especially if they do end up looking for a big name manager if Moyes does go in the next year

[Brother Leon]

If he was sacked early then we would just have Giggs be "Player Manager" while they find so eone for the summer I imagine.

[Ryan57]

Fergie should just piss off altogether tbh, whoever the manager is wouldn't like him looming over them every game in the director's box, especially if they do end up looking for a big name manager if Moyes does go in the next year

I'd like to see Fergie go. And Bobby Charlton. This whole mess is their fault. They should never have a say ever again.

[Cherie]

Sir Alex isn't coming back as interim manager. The new manager shouldn't have to take over from him yet again.

Don't see any reason why not. Moyes was just not good enough simple as. He stuttered from the start by making a mess of the summer transfer window.

I'd like to see Fergie go. And Bobby Charlton. This whole mess is their fault. They should never have a say ever again.

:ummm2: yeah lets get rid of Fergie after all what has he done for United, yes it was a mistake choosing Moyes, but give the guy a break he is is not all knowing!

[Cherie]

Sir Alex isn't coming back as interim manager. The new manager shouldn't have to take over from him yet again.

Don't see any reason why not. Moyes was just not good enough simple as. He stuttered from the start by making a mess of the summer transfer window.

I'd like to see Fergie go. And Bobby Charlton. This whole mess is their fault. They should never have a say ever again.

:umm2: yeah lets get rid of Fergie after all what has he done for United, yes it was a mistake choosing Moyes, but give the guy a break he is is not all knowing!

[King Gizzard]

http://i.imgur.com/z0LpOAy.jpg

[Ryan57]

LOL at the thread title change.


:umm2: yeah lets get rid of Fergie after all what has he done for United, yes it was a mistake choosing Moyes, but give the guy a break he is is not all knowing!

I'd rather him go as I'm pretty sure the only reason Moyes is still here is due to Fergie. I totally appreciate what he did, but the club needs to move on. Would rather he not be at games watching over.

[Ryan57]

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