[GiRTh]

After Man Utd worse start to a Premiership season ever is the new manager proving himself at this level?

[Shaun]

most likely. I'd give him until January to turn it around, though.

[King Gizzard]

He just has an impossible job having to follow Fergie and hasn't been helped by the people above him

Use to playing more defensive football to combat bigger teams but now he's the bigger team he's struggling

United probably shouldn't have tried to find the next Fergie and instead changed their philosophy and got a big man - Pep - in and do it with that approach instead of trying to create a new Fergie 439439843 years situation as it's not going to happen at all

[GiRTh]

I think he's out of this depth too.

Playing the same central defensive partnership in six games running is just crazy at this level. It was OK when he was Everton manager and he had his first 11 and the rest of the squad but at Man Utd he has to realise that a tired Vidic playing 90% fit after playing 5 games in a row is not gonna be as effective as a fully fit, fully alert Johnny Evans and must rotate the squad. Even if he doesnt rate a player - and I think there are a few at United that he clearly isnt a fan of - he's got to fight in every game in every competition.

He seems to show a bit of a small club mentality at times. He's
been quite negative in the press toward United European chances and I cant help but think that Sir Alex would never have doubted his teams chances in any competition.

Its a steep learning curve to follow such a great manger but so far Moyes is falling well short of the mark.

[Brother Leon]

Give him some time. Not the first time United start slow..or be it we don't have Sir Alex to turn it around now. He'll come good in the end. As long as he learns Rio should be playing 1 game a week only and that Nani,Rooney,RVP need to be the attack things will turn. Just a shame the transfer window was such a joke and we didn't get that creative central player. Fortunately City and Chelsea don't look great themselves.

[Mystic Mock]

Like most managers it's gonna take him time to get used to how Manchester United works I think.

[MTVN]

At the moment definitely, and it didn't help that they had a bit of a shocker in the transfer window. They'll stick with him for at least a year whatever happens though, probably two

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Give him some time. Not the first time United start slow..or be it we don't have Sir Alex to turn it around now. He'll come good in the end. As long as he learns Rio should be playing 1 game a week only and that Nani,Rooney,RVP need to be the attack things will turn. Just a shame the transfer window was such a joke and we didn't get that creative central player. Fortunately City and Chelsea don't look great themselves.

He'll get time but by the time he's got the players he wants you'll be playing like Everton.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by MTVN

At the moment definitely, and it didn't help that they had a bit of a shocker in the transfer window. They'll stick with him for at least a year whatever happens though, probably two

I dunno, I think they'd fire him in May (or just before) if they failed to make the top 4.

[Ryan57]

Out of his depth right now, yes. He's being an absolute arsehole blaming the players. Surely he knows his outdated 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 ('effin hate it) is part of the problem, as well as playing Valencia and Young.

In 2-3 years time he may well come good. The problem is if we finish outside the top 4 this season then he has a huge job on his hands.

I'd also love to know how he was number 1 choice. Pep, Jose, Klopp, De Boer and Ancelotti to name just some would of been way ahead for me.
At least with Pep there would be no more outdated formation, wank midfield and dire football.

He reminds me of Hodgson. COnstantly saying the players aren't good enough, moaning about every little thing, constantly downplaying expectations, and had a terrible transfer window.

Then to wrap it up in one nice Hodgson-esque package, you have the Hoofball thrown in for good measure.

They've given him a six year contract, so to sack him would cost between £30-40m. The glazers don't have that spare at united, but missing out on the CL would cost them the same each year.

Liverpool have shown how quickly that Europes top players forget you if you're not in the CL, so as a Liverpool fan, Moyes isn't out of his depth, he's at the perfect club for him, and he remains the perfect man for the scum.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Out of his depth right now, yes. He's being an absolute arsehole blaming the players. Surely he knows his outdated 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 ('effin hate it) is part of the problem, as well as playing Valencia and Young.

In 2-3 years time he may well come good. The problem is if we finish outside the top 4 this season then he has a huge job on his hands.

I'd also love to know how he was number 1 choice. Pep, Jose, Klopp, De Boer and Ancelotti to name just some would of been way ahead for me.
At least with Pep there would be no more outdated formation, wank midfield and dire football.

I think Fergie chose him so he would fail and Fergie would be even more of a hero :

Read a piece today that the Glazers are sorry now they didn't start him sooner and they will back him in the January transfer.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think Fergie chose him so he would fail and Fergie would be even more of a hero :

Read a piece today that the Glazers are sorry now they didn't start him sooner and they will back him in the January transfer.

Not sure I could of taken anymore embarrassment from Moyes and Woodward this summer without it tipping me over the edge.

[Ryan57]

[Alf]

Manchester United have no divine right to be a top four club.

Maybe you should start questioning the people who take to the field of play, instead of pointing the finger at one person in the whole of the organisation.

[Legend killer]

Out of his depth with Young and Tony in your team????? David had no problem handling player 100% the quality at Everton

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Manchester United have no divine right to be a top four club.

Maybe you should start questioning the people who take to the field of play, instead of pointing the finger at one person in the whole of the organisation.

It's a combination of both. However, when you play Valencia and Young, whilst having Kagawa and Nani on the bench, it's down to the manager.

[Brother Leon]

Jesus...can we stop pinning it all on Young and Valencia. He played a team you want to see against WBA at home and they still couldn't score from open play. It's down to a lot more than just those two players. It's Darren Fletcher syndrome all over again.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Jesus...can we stop pinning it all on Young and Valencia. He played a team you want to see against WBA at home and they still couldn't score from open play. It's down to a lot more than just those two players. It's Darren Fletcher syndrome all over again.

Kagawa and Nani haven't had a run of games, unlike the comedy duo of Valencia and Young.

I agree it's down to more than just them. However, they played a huge part. It's undeniable.

[Legend killer]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Jesus...can we stop pinning it all on Young and Valencia. He played a team you want to see against WBA at home and they still couldn't score from open play. It's down to a lot more than just those two players. It's Darren Fletcher syndrome all over again.

Can you please stop Full Stop

Anyone who even tried to suggest Young was a good player or suggested Giggs and ****ing Scholes were at that stage better centre mids then Pogba should really not be allowed to post on a football forum

I blame this fully on Young. Funny how diabolical the standard of play has been since Ashley graced Carrington with his ****ess appears to be rubbing of on the team like a common cold

And like any virus Ashley should be dealt with as soon as possible in this case send him to the local disabled football league

Ps comparing a warrior like Darren to a streak of piss like Ashley tops all your other stupid notions regarding football

[GiRTh]

Kagawa was one of the best play makers in Europe just two seasons ago; now he's a minor player in a failing team. He'll leave and who could blame him.

[Legend killer]

Both him and Nani deserve a better team

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

It's a combination of both. However, when you play Valencia and Young, whilst having Kagawa and Nani on the bench, it's down to the manager.

It's not down to the manager if the two players you mentioned (Valencia and Young) are in your expert opinion, not good enough (he didn't sign those players, he inherited them), Moyes doesn't make a pass for them, Moyes doesn't make a tackle for them, Moyes doesn't do their running for them, they do it themselves. their professional players on huge over the top wages, and if their not playing to their ability, then it say's to me that their attitude towards their work is not 100%, and they need to be shown the door and replaced by players that will show the right attitude.

You mention Nani, a player who no doubt as bundles of talent, so why doesn't he show it week in week out, he's had plenty of chances in the team, but has never shown any consistency, that's an attitude problem right there, primadonna comes to mind, which goes against the philosophy of the hard working class values of Moyes.

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?

You'd have to be very fickle about football to want rid of a manager two months into his job.

If you only blame the manager and not the players when things go wrong, then i'd expect you to only praise the manager and not the players when things go right.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by wannashag

And the other was Kagawa, maybe Moyes doesn't see him as part of what he want's to build, maybe he thinks he's not good enough, he's hardly set the Premier League on fire as he?

What is Moyes trying to build? Is there anything to actually build at Man U? Surely all Moyes needs to do is maintain. Judging by the signings - or lack of - and style of play, it looks like he's trying to build a team like his Everton team. If I were a Man U fan I wouldn't be happy with that, particularly in Europe. His style of play will get ripped apart by the top teams.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

What is Moyes trying to build? Is there anything to actually build at Man U? Surely all Moyes needs to do is maintain. Judging by the signings - or lack of - and style of play, it looks like he's trying to build a team like his Everton team. If I were a Man U fan I wouldn't be happy with that, particularly in Europe. His style of play will get ripped apart by the top teams.

Well if you want him to maintain, then by playing people like Ferdinand, Giggs, Young, Valencia ect ect, he is maintaining the team that Fergie had, but are those players playing to their potential? obviously not which is down to their own attitude.

Give the guy time to put his own philosophy's on that team and to see which of the current team he want's to play for him and which one's he needs to replace, he can only find that out by putting them on the pitch to see if they can give what he want.

It's a transitional period for them after having the same manager for the past 27 years, things just may take a little time to click, be patient and get behind your team would be my advice.