If you were the boss of TiBB...

[GiRTh]

no, im saying what he has done in the past does not make someone else's opinion wrongHis opinion is based on his own experience as a mod and is thus a bit more valid than most.

[Benjamin]

he may well of done this himself, but that don't make some one else's opinion of what happens on tibb wrong.

Well it does in this case because somebody saying that about the mods is wrong. Opinion or not, that opinion is wrong because I have been a mod and know what the mods do.

[thesheriff443]

Well it does in this case because somebody saying that about the mods is wrong. Opinion or not, that opinion is wrong because I have been a mod and know what the mods do.

on this occasion yes on every other occasion, no

you treat a friend better than you would treat a stranger.

[Benjamin]

on this occasion yes on every other occasion, no

you treat a friend better than you would treat a stranger.

Well that is your opinion, you are entitled to it. I think you are wrong though.

[thesheriff443]

Well that is your opinion, you are entitled to it. I think you are wrong though.

im wrong, ok ben.
so if a friend and a stranger both asked to borrow 20 pounds you would lend it to the stranger rather than your friend.
lets agree to disagree!

[Gstar]

Unban ********tan

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[Glenn.]

What if they are allergic to nuts, Michael.. personally I'm not.

We know you're not :idc:

[Marc]

Lol

[Ramsay]

Lol

[Benjamin]

im wrong, ok ben.
so if a friend and a stranger both asked to borrow 20 pounds you would lend it to the stranger rather than your friend.
lets agree to disagree!

I would lend neither the money, I don't do lending.

[MTVN]

Don't suppose I could borrow a fiver could I Ben mate?

[michael21]

if i was boss i would changes josy name to posy :pipe:

[Benjamin]

Don't suppose I could borrow a fiver could I Ben mate?

Ask Josy.

[Jayson]

I don't think anyone here actually thinks of this as a forum any more. It's a community with 30 or 40 members that have been talking to each other for years, with new people coming in as others leave. Every time I come back here after one of my sabbaticals I know exactly who will be posting and where. There will be about 5 members that I've never heard of before, and a few old ones who have either been permabanned or have stopped posting - but the core group always remains. This is what this site has survived off of. No one here even gives a **** about Big Brother any more, they just like to talk to each other. This such a good place to visit because it's basically just discussing stuff with your friends, but that's also what causes the overall inactivity. New members find it hard to merge into groups that were formed 3 years ago and so they don't bother with it. They stay in the Big Brother section until it's over, and then they **** off. That's if they even notice the other sections exist. The only new members that ever stay permanently are the ones that stumble upon the chat threads and then have enough time, energy and personality to become friends with people. You end up having only a handful of new members every year, and with the growing shitness of Big Brother I can only imagine that number will go down. You simply cannot have a community as small and close-knit as this one without the forum being pretty inactive. No-one here wants 10,000 members flinging **** at each other 24/7 without actually building relationships, if they did they'd go to one of the many places that can offer that. There is still a need for new members to come in just so that there are more people to discuss different things with, but a Big Brother forum will only attract Big Brother fans. You aren't going to get a huge amount of new members that are well-read and can discuss any topic with wit and intelligence because there are very few legitimately intelligent people that like Big Brother, and so it becomes hard to discuss anything other than the show on here. Outside of that section you'll either be discussing things with the same people all the time or not discussing anything. Because the user base is small, there is less diversity in the topics you can discuss, and so if you don't like Big Brother you are left with very little to do.

At the end of the day this place is a community and communities have to be large and diverse if you want to have continuous activity and the ability to discuss different things with different people. The only way this site could still be the same basic site but with more discussion going on is if the existing members post more, but after you've known each other for a few years you use different mediums of communicating. Everyone Skypes each other, everyone ****s around on whatever the latest chat site is etc. When people do post on here it's usually in the chat thread/s (I don't know if there are still two). All this causes groups to form and that causes my original point, that new members find it hard to come into the fold.

The only other solution is completely rebranding the site.

[Lee.]

going to laminate this and put it on the TiBB common room wall

Put some love hearts round it..with some "Niamh is old " and "smithy loves Gaga" and "Jesus is a *****ace" graffiti :love:

[Shaun]

I don't think anyone here actually thinks of this as a forum any more. It's a community with 30 or 40 members that have been talking to each other for years, with new people coming in as others leave. Every time I come back here after one of my sabbaticals I know exactly who will be posting and where. There will be about 5 members that I've never heard of before, and a few old ones who have either been permabanned or have stopped posting - but the core group always remains. This is what this site has survived off of. No one here even gives a **** about Big Brother any more, they just like to talk to each other. This such a good place to visit because it's basically just discussing stuff with your friends, but that's also what causes the overall inactivity. New members find it hard to merge into groups that were formed 3 years ago and so they don't bother with it. They stay in the Big Brother section until it's over, and then they **** off. That's if they even notice the other sections exist. The only new members that ever stay permanently are the ones that stumble upon the chat threads and then have enough time, energy and personality to become friends with people. You end up having only a handful of new members every year, and with the growing shitness of Big Brother I can only imagine that number will go down. You simply cannot have a community as small and close-knit as this one without the forum being pretty inactive. No-one here wants 10,000 members flinging **** at each other 24/7 without actually building relationships, if they did they'd go to one of the many places that can offer that. There is still a need for new members to come in just so that there are more people to discuss different things with, but a Big Brother forum will only attract Big Brother fans. You aren't going to get a huge amount of new members that are well-read and can discuss any topic with wit and intelligence because there are very few legitimately intelligent people that like Big Brother, and so it becomes hard to discuss anything other than the show on here. Outside of that section you'll either be discussing things with the same people all the time or not discussing anything. Because the user base is small, there is less diversity in the topics you can discuss, and so if you don't like Big Brother you are left with very little to do.

At the end of the day this place is a community and communities have to be large and diverse if you want to have continuous activity and the ability to discuss different things with different people. The only way this site could still be the same basic site but with more discussion going on is if the existing members post more, but after you've known each other for a few years you use different mediums of communicating. Everyone Skypes each other, everyone ****s around on whatever the latest chat site is etc. When people do post on here it's usually in the chat thread/s (I don't know if there are still two). All this causes groups to form and that causes my original point, that new members find it hard to come into the fold.

The only other solution is completely rebranding the site.

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar13946_66.gif

[Kizzy]

Pffft! :laugh: Open the appeals and queries again... I had some interesting conversations on there, and there were some less than diplomatic opinions from some mods too.
That's my view only mind, if you don't agree don't bleat to me because I really don't care what anyone elses mealy mouthed opinion is on this.

[MTVN]

Hey now kizzy we'll have none of that

[Stu]

they are just as wrong as you!
That doesn't sound as smart as you probably thought it did.

[Ammi]

I don't think anyone here actually thinks of this as a forum any more. It's a community with 30 or 40 members that have been talking to each other for years, with new people coming in as others leave. Every time I come back here after one of my sabbaticals I know exactly who will be posting and where. There will be about 5 members that I've never heard of before, and a few old ones who have either been permabanned or have stopped posting - but the core group always remains. This is what this site has survived off of. No one here even gives a **** about Big Brother any more, they just like to talk to each other. This such a good place to visit because it's basically just discussing stuff with your friends, but that's also what causes the overall inactivity. New members find it hard to merge into groups that were formed 3 years ago and so they don't bother with it. They stay in the Big Brother section until it's over, and then they **** off. That's if they even notice the other sections exist. The only new members that ever stay permanently are the ones that stumble upon the chat threads and then have enough time, energy and personality to become friends with people. You end up having only a handful of new members every year, and with the growing shitness of Big Brother I can only imagine that number will go down. You simply cannot have a community as small and close-knit as this one without the forum being pretty inactive. No-one here wants 10,000 members flinging **** at each other 24/7 without actually building relationships, if they did they'd go to one of the many places that can offer that. There is still a need for new members to come in just so that there are more people to discuss different things with, but a Big Brother forum will only attract Big Brother fans. You aren't going to get a huge amount of new members that are well-read and can discuss any topic with wit and intelligence because there are very few legitimately intelligent people that like Big Brother, and so it becomes hard to discuss anything other than the show on here. Outside of that section you'll either be discussing things with the same people all the time or not discussing anything. Because the user base is small, there is less diversity in the topics you can discuss, and so if you don't like Big Brother you are left with very little to do.

At the end of the day this place is a community and communities have to be large and diverse if you want to have continuous activity and the ability to discuss different things with different people. The only way this site could still be the same basic site but with more discussion going on is if the existing members post more, but after you've known each other for a few years you use different mediums of communicating. Everyone Skypes each other, everyone ****s around on whatever the latest chat site is etc. When people do post on here it's usually in the chat thread/s (I don't know if there are still two). All this causes groups to form and that causes my original point, that new members find it hard to come into the fold.

The only other solution is completely rebranding the site.


..I think the thing with the chat threads is that they don’t exist as they used to anymore ...I agree so far as newer members are concerned, it’s always been hard to ‘break in’ to them because the main people who used them were so familiar with each other that it’s quite a thing to just go in and say hey, ..I guess you could say that they were always ‘cliquey’ and the hardest part of the forum to feel a part of...I think from that respect, it’s much easier to join in now because they’re a little more ‘open’....but I think part of the reason for that is that they’re generally much less busy, so for anyone new trying to join in, there might not be anyone to join in with, it’s a bit of a catch 22...the ‘core’ of the chat threads just aren’t there so much anymore and that’s for different reasons, people just naturally move on/away from TiBB..I’m not sure we actually need them anymore tbh...so far as the rest of the forum is concerned, it’s fairly much the same only not nearly so active, which does I think mean that if there are any personality clashes, which obviously there will be, there isn’t the opportunity so much to just ignore people etc because there aren’t the volume/variety of threads to do that, like there used to be as it’s all become so much smaller..maybe that should make it feel more of a community ..(in theory..)..but it’s often more that ‘irritations’ become more obvious and separate groups, rather than everyone feeling more ‘together’....

..anyway, it’s far too early in the morning to make this sort of post, so I’m not sure it even makes sense to me, let alone anyone else....

[thesheriff443]

That doesn't sound as smart as you probably thought it did.

I would rather have a pound than a million opinions!

[Benjamin]

Why are you just throwing out these random sayings that are not relevant to what you are quoting? :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I get what he means, he's saying he doesn't give a toss what you say ben... give it up :joker:

[Kyle]

Lol wtf.

4 pages ago I say this forum is cliquey and it's hard for new members to break in and everyone rounds on me. Jayson then says it and everyone agrees with him.

[thesheriff443]

I get what he means, he's saying he doesn't give a toss what you say ben... give it up :joker:

just about sum's it up!:joker:

[thesheriff443]

Why are you just throwing out these random sayings that are not relevant to what you are quoting? :laugh:

I would ask what price you put on friendship, but you already said.

[thesheriff443]

Lol wtf.

4 pages ago I say this forum is cliquey and it's hard for new members to break in and everyone rounds on me. Jayson then says it and everyone agrees with him.

don't worry, don't try to fit in, your already in!

[Kizzy]

Hey now kizzy we'll have none of that

Hey now yourself...
If others are having their say however sweary or cloying I'm damned well having mine! :laugh2:

[Ramsay]

Sur, if it wasn't me it'd be someone else

[Ramsay]

Delay is the deadliest form of denial

[Ramsay]

One way to stop a runaway horse is to bet on him

[Kyle]

don't worry, don't try to fit in, your already in!

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

[Kizzy]

Won't someone please think of the children?

[Kizzy]

Fortune favours the brave.

[Kyle]

As Confucius say, man who run in front of car get tired. Man who run behind car get exhausted.

[Kizzy]

Which space core directive was that?

[Kyle]

Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day.



Give a man a fishing rod and he will beat you over the head with it and steal the rest of your things.

[Kyle]

Which space core directive was that?

Don't know Kizzy your probably better off asking someone in Star Trek Academy.

[Kizzy]

'Walk a mile in another mans shoes'

That way you're a mile away from the idiot and you have his shoes too :D

[Kyle]

Sorry just had to post something random the last post said it was made at 9:11 I don't like those numbers together.

Spaghetti

[Kizzy]

It is better to wail hysterically than to never wail at all....

[Black Dagger]

We know you're not :idc:

pmsfl. <3

[Ammi]

Lol wtf.

4 pages ago I say this forum is cliquey and it's hard for new members to break in and everyone rounds on me. Jayson then says it and everyone agrees with him.

...I’m going to assume that I’m ‘everybody’ as I was the only person to make a comment on Jayson’s post and the comment I made where I used the word ‘cliquey’ was specifically about the chat threads and not the forum in general...which I did say were always cliquey, as in the past tense because they were a lot different when I first started to post off season...I think of all threads, by the very nature of them, a chat thread will be the hardest to just go into when you don’t know many people because it’s more personal chat than on a topic and existing members will obviously know each other quite well... I’m on other forums as well and it’s the same there, so not a specific thing to TiBB....I did also say though that in my opinion they’re much more open now... and I’ve seen newer members join in with them as much as they themselves want to but unfortunately the threads are a lot quieter as well, so it’s a bit of a catch 22 in that there isn’t so much ‘chat’ to join in with ...

..I have looked all through the thread and can’t see where you said that it was cliquey or anyone rounding on you, so I can’t really comment on that..

[Jesus.]

I think the cliquey post SM made was about a "certain poster" (who could he possibly mean?) getting preferential treatment from a specific mod (again, I have no idea who he could possibly be talking about), and where these ideas have been force fed into him.

[Kizzy]

I think the cliquey post SM made was about a "certain poster" (who could he possibly mean?) getting preferential treatment from a specific mod (again, I have no idea who he could possibly be talking about), and where these ideas have been force fed into him.

I don't think he was referencing anyone in particular jesus, if you could explain who you feel is 'force feeding' that would be helpful.
Of course it's not beneficial to point fingers, or to draw out specific members and hold them up as responsible for the posts of others.
As ammi said the chat threads can and have been cliquey, that's her opinion and I agree with her.

[Jesus.]

I don't think he was referencing anyone in particular jesus, if you could explain who you feel is 'force feeding' that would be helpful.
Of course it's not beneficial to point fingers, or to draw out specific members and hold them up as responsible for the posts of others.
As ammi said the chat threads can and have been cliquey, that's her opinion and I agree with her.

I just used his own words, and I know exactly where this stuff is being fed from. We all do Kizzy. He would probably admit it himself, but that's for him to do, and I'm certainly not going to lay out his opinions for him.

I know for a fact that on day one here, some posters are warned not to talk to me and have been warned off talking to Glenn in the past as well. Cliques exist alright, but they have nothing to do with the chat threads.

[Kizzy]

Nobody has been warned not to speak to specific members, glenn or anyone. As you know the advice was if you cannot be civil then don't speak.
Excellent advice.

[Glenn.]

Tis true. It has happened kizzy :idc:

[Jesus.]

Nobody has been warned not to speak to specific members, glenn or anyone. As you know the advice was if you cannot be civil then don't speak.
Excellent advice.

I've been perfectly civil, but when the conversation turns in a manner you can't handle, you resort to victim mode. I'm really sorry - you wrote in either this thread or another that the truth doesn't hurt. Maybe it does after all.

[Kizzy]

No it doesn't, and I'm really not in victim mode I don't feel challenged. Should I?
Instead of skirting around if you would like to make a direct accusation do it, I can't respond to generalizations.
I have stated my view as have others on the thread.

[Jesus.]

No it doesn't, and I'm really not in victim mode I don't feel challenged. Should I?
Instead of skirting around if you would like to make a direct accusation do it, I can't respond to generalizations.
I have stated my view as have others on the thread.

I've been fairly specific about what has happened on this forum. There is no point making anything more direct than that, because no ones interested. There have been worse things happen than this, and no one did anything then. So what's the point now? It's just consistent with what we've seen from a certain group of people.

I'll let others have their opinions and make false equivalences over some of the despicable s**t we've seen on here, and instead of accusing mods of protecting some people, why don't you actually realise you were a rule change happening sooner away from all being on indefinite bans.

[Kizzy]

I've been fairly specific about what has happened on this forum. There is no point making anything more direct than that, because no ones interested. There have been worse things happen than this, and no one did anything then. So what's the point now? It's just consistent with what we've seen from a certain group of people.

I'll let others have their opinions and make false equivalences over some of the despicable s**t we've seen on here, and instead of accusing mods of protecting some people, why don't you actually realise you were a rule change happening sooner away from all being on indefinite bans.

As are you as you know, and while everyone else has contributed to the forum in a manner that is acceptable and within the rules you appear to be as confrontational as ever.
Maybe I'm being a little sensitive, this thread was encouraging some honest opinion without any malice, taking it in this direction is not really beneficial to the debate.
There is no reason for any forum member to be in the same thread and others be conscious of any animosity, can we please draw a line under this finger pointing please?

[Ammi]

..you know what.... what’s ‘wrong’ with TiBB is this...the fact that virtually every thread is turned into a public ‘airing’ of personal issues, to the point that I’m surprised the forum has still got the members that it has...because to be quite honest, why would anyone want to be in an environment of constant bickering/sniping/innuendos..this is what makes it unpleasant, this is what makes it awkward..this is why the enthusiasm for posting isn’t there....every individual goes through times when they enjoy the forum more/enjoy it less for reasons of their own but this is something that’s involving too many members...

..I know there have been ‘wrongs’ on this forum ...what’s the point of going into specifics/who did what/who said what, it’s all just become tit for tat and is never ending...nothing can change what has happened in the past and laying blame/accusations will achieve nothing...all that will do is keep everything and everyone stuck in a groove of misery and resentment, which is fine if that’s where people want to stay but those people aren’t insulated and their actions/words on a public forum have an effect of every single other poster who really doesn’t want to read this constantly and have threads ruined...

..I have worked with young children for almost 20 yrs and I can’t think of one single occasion/incident of dispute which they in the 5-9yrs of their young lives, they haven’t been able to move on from...because they do understand that ‘he said/she said’ achieves nothing and will only stop your enjoyment and personal pleasure of something..maybe for some adults, it enhances it, people are different and some like to enjoy the good/positive things and some thrive on drama and negativity...that’s cool, but take it off the forum and stop inflicting it on everyone else who tbh, has had enough and just wants to be able to log on here and enjoy talking to the people they have met, without any undertones or awkwardness...stop being so selfish..because however cleverly people manipulate their snipes to try to hide them and keep within ‘the rules’... believe me, they’re still very plain to see...and extremely tedious...



..ok, I started this thread, so with sadness at yet another thread ruined..could a mod close it now please, it's run it's course....

[Kyle]

Oh that's right it was in that thread where someone suggested new ways to bring people onto this forum. These threads all end up the same really.

[Kizzy]

I appreciate your latest rant ammi. Although I don't totally agree.

[Lee.]

I agree 100% Ammi! :)

[Kate!]

I'm 95 percent on board with Ammi's post above, and I'm sick to the frigging back teeth of all of it.

Jesus, stop with the constant snipes about us all being on final warnings please, you are on one too.

Everyone wind your necks in fgs / I've just had my mum die, another family death imminent (cancer) half my family is at daggers drawn over where mums ashes should be buried or scattered

STOP now and try to get on!!!!

[Kate!]

Fecks sake