If you were the boss of TiBB...

[Ammi]

..what would you do to make the forum more active...positive suggestions..?...

[Shaun]

the site could do with a presence on social media... I know there's a Twitter and Facebook but they're not really updated very often and could do with some following sprees to boost the numbers a bit

and I don't want to complain about the current designs but the theme is really a bit dated, and a lot of the subforum icons look really tacky. Particularly these:
http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/2011icon/films_forum_old.gif http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/2011icon/generalinterests_forum_new.gif http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/2011icon/lobby_forum_old.gif

[Ammi]

..how does that work on FB..do people just post stuff like they do on the forum..?..

[thesheriff443]

As with life people change and move on, the old faithful will stay, but some are always looking for the next big thing.

[mizzy25]

I think tibbs is quite busy actually.

[Jesus.]

All new members that join should be assigned a moderator, who will then send them a welcome pm to open up a dialogue, make them feel welcome, and is the beginning of finding out what things they like.

If, from an introductory ,Niamh finds out that person x is also a member of a health and beauty forum, then she could highlight that area of TIBB, if person y likes football, then she could get one of the men to pm that person and discuss things like the prediction game etc.

I had no idea about any of the other side of TIBB, until I was reading the BB forum in off season and BD mentioned it. If you cross sell the other areas of tibb, then you're probably more likely to get a higher strike rate of people staying. TIBB is such a specific name about a specific show, that people need to be willing to explain that to people.

[Niamh.]

All new members that join should be assigned a moderator, who will then send them a welcome pm to open up a dialogue, make them feel welcome, and is the beginning of finding out what things they like.

If, from an introductory ,Niamh finds out that person x is also a member of a health and beauty forum, then she could highlight that area of TIBB, if person y likes football, then she could get one of the men to pm that person and discuss things like the prediction game etc.

I had no idea about any of the other side of TIBB, until I was reading the BB forum in off season and BD mentioned it. If you cross sell the other areas of tibb, then you're probably more likely to get a higher strike rate of people staying. TIBB is such a specific name about a specific show, that people need to be willing to explain that to people.

Yeah, actually now you mention it when I joined it took me 3 months to realise that there was other sections besides the BB section

[Ammi]

All new members that join should be assigned a moderator, who will then send them a welcome pm to open up a dialogue, make them feel welcome, and is the beginning of finding out what things they like.

If, from an introductory ,Niamh finds out that person x is also a member of a health and beauty forum, then she could highlight that area of TIBB, if person y likes football, then she could get one of the men to pm that person and discuss things like the prediction game etc.

I had no idea about any of the other side of TIBB, until I was reading the BB forum in off season and BD mentioned it. If you cross sell the other areas of tibb, then you're probably more likely to get a higher strike rate of people staying. TIBB is such a specific name about a specific show, that people need to be willing to explain that to people.


..yeah, that's a bit like the 'buddy system' that lots of schools have to help younger people through transitional periods...it's quite a simple/basic but very effective thing...it would also give newer members a little comfort in that if they had any problems doing anything technical etc..or not understanding anything, they would maybe feel...oh, Niamh's 'my mod', I'll just ask her what this is all about/how to do this...and be comfortable to do it by PM because they may feel embarrassed to say something on an open forum and just try to muddle/struggle through instead.....

[Ammi]

..'hospitality mods' LOL....

[Niamh.]

also, it's nearly time for another Pub Quiz i reckon :amazed:

[Ammi]

..:amazed:...


..I think Shaun's doing it next time and he's about to do ICB soon, so it probably won't be for a while until he learns how to multi task...:tongue:...

[Jesus.]

TIBB is still a business and like it or not, the more money it makes for James, the more likely people are to get new designs added or servers that can host more than 10 people without exploding.

[Ammi]

..just out of interest, how do forums make money..?..

[Jesus.]

..just out of interest, how do forums make money..?..

Advertisements.

[Niamh.]

..just out of interest, how do forums make money..?..

I don't know really, is it through advertising?

[Ammi]

..ok...payments for the advertisements at the top of the page..?...

[Niamh.]

..:amazed:...


..I think Shaun's doing it next time and he's about to do ICB soon, so it probably won't be for a while until he learns how to multi task...:tongue:...

You're sticking with our team btw :love:

[Ammi]

You're sticking with our team btw :love:

..I wouldn't/couldn't dream of being on any other team..:love:..

[Jesus.]

..ok...payments for the advertisements at the top of the page..?...

Yeah, the money received will be linked to traffic across TIBB, and traffic created by clicking on the links.

[Ammi]

Yeah, the money received will be linked to traffic across TIBB, and traffic created by clicking on the links.

..ok, I see now...it just never occurred to me that anyone clicks on the links/advertisements...although occasionally my curser seems to do it on it's own..(it must be hovering..)..and I can find myself in a strange alternate world...

[Jesus.]

..ok, I see now...it just never occurred to me that anyone clicks on the links/advertisements...although occasionally my curser seems to do it on it's own..(it must be hovering..)..and I can find myself in a strange alternate world...

Cambridge makes many people feel like that.

It's not your fault. It's not your fault.

http://i.imgur.com/fDD9Yl.jpg

[Ammi]

Cambridge makes many people feel like that.

It's not your fault. It's not your fault.

http://i.imgur.com/fDD9Yl.jpg

..I don't even live in Cambridge..you don't know anything about me/never listen to me..you're a stranger to me..:hmph:...


..I do love Robin Williams, though..not that you'll even remember that I've said that...:hmph:..

[Jesus.]

..I don't even live in Cambridge..you don't know anything about me/never listen to me..you're a stranger to me..:hmph:...


..I do love Robin Williams, though..not that you'll even remember that I've said that...:hmph:..

If you weren't so dull and boring, I'd probably take in some of the stuff you say.

It is your fault. It is your fault.

[Ammi]

If you weren't so dull and boring, I'd probably take in some of the stuff you say.

It is your fault. It is your fault.

..yeah, that's fair comment actually, I can't really question that....

..anyway, playtime is over..I have important and interesting stuff to do now...or household chores/shopping basically....


..a pleasure as always...

[Legend killer]

Don't know bout the rest of the forum but for the sports forum I can tell the lack of knowledgeable posters is putting of potential sporting members. Not naming any names COUGH novo Cough leon are two of the biggest culprits

What you can do about it I don't know cause simply you can't teach a old dog new tricks and although these lads seem like very nice guys quite simply they don't know **** about sport

[Drew.]

Yeah, actually now you mention it when I joined it took me 3 months to realise that there was other sections besides the BB section

It took me almost 2 years :laugh:

[Ramsay]

About a year for me rofl

[Niamh.]

I think Jesus may be on to something then :laugh:

[Jesus.]

When he's not talking about himself in the 3rd person, Jesus often gets it right.

[Kizzy]

I don't know about buddies for new members but a stock 'introductory PM' might be an idea? you could include a narrated instructional video of someone navigating the forum.
Maybe not for all sign ups but for those who have actually posted a certain number of times.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Yeah, actually now you mention it when I joined it took me 3 months to realise that there was other sections besides the BB section

About a year for me rofl

It took me almost 2 years :laugh:

Seriously?

Didn't you ever just.. you know.. scroll down

[Niamh.]

Seriously?

Didn't you ever just.. you know.. scroll down

It was my first time using a forum, I didn't know how they worked very well :laugh:

[Ramsay]

Seriously?

Didn't you ever just.. you know.. scroll down

Well i only came to discuss Big Brother really, so whenever that certain series was over i wouldn't come back until the next series..until i eventually found chat and games and that kept me on for the next off season

[Niamh.]

also, I alway just went straight into the BB forum, I didn't know about New Posts or Todays posts and at that time the BB section was always so busy, I kind of never wondered about it. It was only when BB finished and things quietened down I started looking around

[Me. I Am Salman]

Oh ok

the month I joined was during the period I first discovered forums too, although I became a chat & games regular like immediately lmfao

[Drew.]

Seriously?

Didn't you ever just.. you know.. scroll down

Nah, it's a Big Brother forum, last thing i had expected was there to be whole sections dedicated to sports, music and stuff.. If I had known I probably would have browsed a bit more

[Jesus.]

also, I alway just went straight into the BB forum, I didn't know about New Posts or Todays posts and at that time the BB section was always so busy, I kind of never wondered about it. It was only when BB finished and things quietened down I started looking around

That's the key. That's exactly what I did, and the BB forum was what I bookmarked, so I had no reason to think a website called "thisisbigbrother" would have threads about how much Salman hates gaga.

[Niamh.]

That's the key. That's exactly what I did, and the BB forum was what I bookmarked, so I had no reason to think a website called "thisisbigbrother" would have threads about how much Salman hates gaga.

:laugh:

[Livia]

If I was the boss of TiBB moderators would be elected (although the vast majority of current mods would probably still get the job)... and once they were elected they'd be armed.

[Jemal]

That's the key. That's exactly what I did, and the BB forum was what I bookmarked, so I had no reason to think a website called "thisisbigbrother" would have threads about how much Salman hates gaga.

:joker:

[Jack_]

Seriously?

Didn't you ever just.. you know.. scroll down

No because when I discovered this place in like January 2007 and browsed for a year I had Googled something about Big Brother and clicked on a link that took me straight to the BB section, I had no idea what a forum was really being like what...11 LOL, but I soon got the idea and like Jesus did I bookmarked that page to go and read every so often, I just thought it was this one page/forum where people talked about Big Brother. I only actually discovered all the other sections by accident by clicking the TiBB logo at the top after a few months where it took me to the index and I remember I was like 'wtf is all this', has a browse around and realised what I'd been missing all that time :laugh:

[MTVN]

Well I'm certainly not being assigned a bloody "buddy", they can find their own way around the place :idc:

[Locke.]

Move the Sports forum to the top of the index page above all of the others, go back to the old warning system, and add some football games to the arcade.

[Niamh.]

No because when I discovered this place in like January 2007 and browsed for a year I had Googled something about Big Brother and clicked on a link that took me straight to the BB section, I had no idea what a forum was really being like what...11 LOL, but I soon got the idea and like Jesus did I bookmarked that page to go and read every so often, I just thought it was this one page/forum where people talked about Big Brother. I only actually discovered all the other sections by accident by clicking the TiBB logo at the top after a few months where it took me to the index and I remember I was like 'wtf is all this', has a browse around and realised what I'd been missing all that time :laugh:

Yeah, more or less the same for me, I was 30 at the time though so i don't have the age excuse :laugh:

[Jemal]

Get rid of Novo And Marc:idc:
Make my nani gif, the logo off the forum:idc:

Pls dont @ me.

[Josy]

Delete the football forum no one cares about it anyway.

3 strikes and out rule would make the place a whole lot better.

Change the forum theme and main page designs.


The welcome thing although a nice gesture wouldn't work IMO a lot of members sign up and never post or post about 5 times then leave and it would be a bit daft sending a welcome message a lot later than that.

We do often let members know that we have other sections too.

[Kizzy]

Get rid of the 1+ 1- game :idc:

[Jemal]

Delete the football forum no one cares about it anyway.

3 strikes and out rule would make the place a whole lot better.

Change the forum theme and main page designs.


The welcome thing although a nice gesture wouldn't work IMO a lot of members sign up and never post or post about 5 times then leave and it would be a bit daft sending a welcome message a lot later than that.

We do often let members know that we have other sections too.

You evil evil evil... Woman.

[Redway]

Get rid of the swear filter for starters. It's completely unnecessary.

[Jemal]

Get rid of the swear filter for starters. It's completely unnecessary.

:worship:

[Kizzy]

I think getting rid of the swear filter is a f*c*i*g stupid idea.

[Ramsay]

:worship:

boom

[Kazanne]

If I was boss,I would have an 'Apology' thread where people would apologise and explain their reasons for being rude and nasty and talk problems out,I would have no bans except for extreme cases and refusals to apologise.:hugesmile:

[Niamh.]

If I was boss,I would have an 'Apology' thread where people would apologise and explain their reasons for being rude and nasty and talk problems out,I would have no bans except for extreme cases and refusals to apologise.:hugesmile:

:laugh: That wouldn't go well imo, it'd just turn into a fight thread

[Kazanne]

:laugh: That wouldn't go well imo, it'd just turn into a fight thread

:joker: I know but it would be fun to see:hugesmile:,seriously,I think some people are mature enough to say what annoys them and move on,the others can be locked in the stocks.:devil:

[Niamh.]

:joker: I know but it would be fun to see:hugesmile:,seriously,I think some people are mature enough to say what annoys them and move on,the others can be locked in the stocks.:devil:

Oh kazanne, i think you might have an evil side :devil:

[arista]

If I was boss,I would have an 'Apology' thread where people would apologise and explain their reasons for being rude and nasty and talk problems out,I would have no bans except for extreme cases and refusals to apologise.:hugesmile:


Feck Me
I would be on there every Day.


This a Surreal Thread

[Ammi]

Feck Me
I would be on there every Day.


This a Surreal Thread

..:joker:..

[Kyle]

Every month have like a sacrifice a member day and then we can all vote and punt somebody and then when I'm gone the forum would take care of itself :spin:

[Kazanne]

Oh kazanne, i think you might have an evil side :devil:

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b432/HorrorFreaxX/myspace-codes-animations-119.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/HorrorFreaxX/media/myspace-codes-animations-119.gif.html)I don't know what gives you that impression Niamh:hugesmile:

[Josy]

Omg that gif

[Kazanne]

Omg that gif

I feel really wicked today Josy:devil: and yes it's cringy,yuk:hugesmile:

[Stu]

You can do this and that but at the end of the day in order for the forum to be engaging and entertaining looking to prospective new members it needs to look like it actually has substance.

A few years back every thread was a conversation. A dialogue you could actually follow. It was like one of those forums you could read for ages and just be entertained by it, then sign up saying "Oh I've been browsing for ages and have only joined now, hello!".

Nowadays the place is just barren. It's this really thin skinned parody of itself. I mean there are still lots of really great members doing their best and a couple of good threads a week but a large volume of the forum seems to be just threads that follow this pattern of 'Hai' > '.gif' > 'ikr :suspect:' > LOL > '.gif' > +1>:laugh:.

That's an MSN conversation. Not something that people want to actually sign up to be a part of. I'm not saying let's abolish all notion of casual chat - this is a level beneath casual chat even - but this is basically what the forum's become now.

That's my biggest problem with it. 90% of the threads I go in to I go out of again because I know what they hold. I log in a few times a day and am actually stuck for things to do.

It's just a general drop in quality, unfortunately. And it's something that's hard to fix because we only ban people for ... well ... breaking the rules which is fair enough.

Give it two or three years and it'll be a handful of us backed in to a cave desperately sharpening spears whilst a parade of BigBroIsTheBest1995s run riot outside discussing which singer is auto tuned the least.

[Kazanne]

You can do this and that but at the end of the day in order for the forum to be engaging and entertaining looking to prospective new members it needs to look like it actually has substance.

A few years back every thread was a conversation. A dialogue you could actually follow. It was like one of those forums you could read for ages and just be entertained by it, then sign up saying "Oh I've been browsing for ages and have only joined now, hello!".

Nowadays the place is just barren. It's this really thin skinned parody of itself. I mean there are still lots of really great members doing their best and a couple of good threads a week but a large volume of the forum seems to be just threads that follow this pattern of 'Hai' > '.gif' > 'ikr :suspect:' > LOL > '.gif' > +1>:laugh:.

That's an MSN conversation. Not something that people want to actually sign up to be a part of. I'm not saying let's abolish all notion of casual chat - this is a level beneath casual chat even - but this is basically what the forum's become now.

That's my biggest problem with it. 90% of the threads I go in to I go out of again because I know what they hold. I log in a few times a day and am actually stuck for things to do.

It's just a general drop in quality, unfortunately. And it's something that's hard to fix because we only ban people for ... well ... breaking the rules which is fair enough.

Give it two or three years and it'll be a handful of us backed in to a cave desperately sharpening spears whilst a parade of BigBroIsTheBest1995s run riot outside discussing which singer is auto tuned the least.

I agree stu,I like the threads that we can debate and get our teeth into,I also find the one word things a bit pointless.

[Drew.]

Agree with you 100% on the part about not being able to have discussions in threads being full and ruined by the same gifs being posted over and over again

[Ammi]

You can do this and that but at the end of the day in order for the forum to be engaging and entertaining looking to prospective new members it needs to look like it actually has substance.

A few years back every thread was a conversation. A dialogue you could actually follow. It was like one of those forums you could read for ages and just be entertained by it, then sign up saying "Oh I've been browsing for ages and have only joined now, hello!".

Nowadays the place is just barren. It's this really thin skinned parody of itself. I mean there are still lots of really great members doing their best and a couple of good threads a week but a large volume of the forum seems to be just threads that follow this pattern of 'Hai' > '.gif' > 'ikr :suspect:' > LOL > '.gif' > +1>:laugh:.

That's an MSN conversation. Not something that people want to actually sign up to be a part of. I'm not saying let's abolish all notion of casual chat - this is a level beneath casual chat even - but this is basically what the forum's become now.

That's my biggest problem with it. 90% of the threads I go in to I go out of again because I know what they hold. I log in a few times a day and am actually stuck for things to do.

It's just a general drop in quality, unfortunately. And it's something that's hard to fix because we only ban people for ... well ... breaking the rules which is fair enough.

Give it two or three years and it'll be a handful of us backed in to a cave desperately sharpening spears whilst a parade of BigBroIsTheBest1995s run riot outside discussing which singer is auto tuned the least.

..when I first started to post off season, there was still that as well though, Stu...there would be a debate/conversation etc and people would post random gifs/just say hai..bye...etc...I know some people found it could be distracting/annoying...but I wasn't really bothered because I could just ignore that/those posts and follow the posts of people whose opinions I was interested in...but maybe it's more noticeable atm because the forum is generally a lot less busy/active and so there isn't the balance to distract from it and it becomes more of an irritant..?...

[Jesus.]

Delete the football forum no one cares about it anyway.

3 strikes and out rule would make the place a whole lot better.

Change the forum theme and main page designs.


The welcome thing although a nice gesture wouldn't work IMO a lot of members sign up and never post or post about 5 times then leave and it would be a bit daft sending a welcome message a lot later than that.

We do often let members know that we have other sections too.

If there was a stock pm that you could all use it would take 10 seconds to paste in. The fact new posters post 5 times then leave shows that from registering to post 5, something isn't working, and we've seen 5 different people in this thread alone have no idea about most of TIBB. And the welcome message should be sent immediately, not a week down the line.

Even a basic hello and welcome, with links to all areas of the forum. At least then people will have all the information at the start.

[RichardG]

the site could do with a presence on social media... I know there's a Twitter and Facebook but they're not really updated very often and could do with some following sprees to boost the numbers a bit

This would be really good during on season. Regularly tweet about the show and follow loads of people on the BB hashtag who look like they're big fans. Much more people would then at least visit the forum, with some hopefully signing up afterwards.

[Me. I Am Salman]

the threads full of gifs and stuff are mostly threads started by us/threads you people wouldn't even post in anyway. So if this forum is boring it's your own fault for not creating interesting threads, stop blaming us

[Me. I Am Salman]

Also since I've been unbanned (beginning of October) I've literally started over 50 threads, with one having 1500+ replies and two or three having replies in their hundreds. How many threads have the people who are complaining the forum is dull & blaming me among others started?

[AnnieK]

I don't think anyone is blaming anyone....

[Jordan.]

the threads full of gifs and stuff are mostly threads started by us/threads you people wouldn't even post in anyway. So if this forum is boring it's your own fault for not creating interesting threads, stop blaming us

this, the only place post like that happen is in chat and games or some pop music thread. Don't try acting like the whole of tibb is in decline just because of members posting gifs. If you want deep discussions go to general chat or serious debates.

[Me. I Am Salman]

yeah and if you get offended by the odd joke post featuring a gif in a General Chat/serious debates thread maybe you should stop using the forum altogether because that doesn't ruin a thread. It's not like it puts an end to any possibility of a conversation.

[Stu]

Don't try acting like the whole of tibb is in decline just because of members posting gifs.
Nobody acted like that. It's just one small example of a more prevalent problem. Read between the lines.

The inevitable poncy backlash is kinda funny though.

[Jordan.]

Nobody acted like that. It's just one small example of a more prevalent problem. Read between the lines.

The inevitable poncy backlash is kinda funny though.

It's a problem for you, not the whole forum.

[Me. I Am Salman]

the only thing funny is your attempt to be poetic and above everyone all the time

[arista]

Also since I've been unbanned (beginning of October) I've literally started over 50 threads, with one having 1500+ replies and two or three having replies in their hundreds. How many threads have the people who are complaining the forum is dull & blaming me among others started?



Yes but we need Quality
not all the ideas
you thought of in your
mega 3 month Ban.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Says the one who spams threads about supermarket deals :/

[arista]

Says the one who spams threads about supermarket deals :/


sure I am honest

[Kyle]

I love this thread I can see this making the roll of honour keep it going guys...

[Jordan.]

the only thing funny is your attempt to be poetic and above everyone all the time

!

I think some people need to realise we're on a reality TV forum.

[Stu]

It's a problem for you, not the whole forum.
Duh. I'll have my people who agree with me. You guys disagree. That's cool, brother.

the only thing funny is your attempt to be poetic and above everyone all the time
That's a defensive problem you're going to have to deal with since you sussed that I think you're a bit thick.

It's not my pretension.

Hey, look, it's a different forum. I'm basically playing Nostalgia Nonce here. You can get up in arms all you want and you're free to find me a drag as well - I honestly don't mind - but I'm just speaking from personal experience. There was more people I could talk to about things before. There are still plenty of characters I like which makes it worth coming here but it's the TV show you're still loyal to even though it's past it's best seasons.

[Me. I Am Salman]

tldr

[Kyle]

tldr

What does that mean?

[Jack_]

Do you still watch Big Brother, Stu? I thought you'd given up

[Me. I Am Salman]

Also I'm not thick so take your flop logic somewhere else

[arista]

Also I'm not thick so take your flop logic somewhere else


yes you are not that

[Stu]

Do you still watch Big Brother, Stu? I thought you'd given up
Hehe I watched the last civilian one because my housemate got in to it and it was fun watching it from a communal angle like that I guess. And it was good having characters like Dexter. There was that "this could have been written" complexity to a lot of it that I had not seen since BB10.

I've mostly soured on it though, unfortunately. Too many core elements have gone and I miss the fly on the wall minimalist production it used to have. Now it's just like another reality show and I'm one of those "loves Big Brother, hates Reality TV" people :(.

[T*]

What does that mean?

Too long; didn't read

[Kyle]

Too long; didn't read

Pmsl :dance:

[T*]

BTW, Jesus guys calm the feck down!

[Josy]

yeah and if you get offended by the odd joke post featuring a gif in a General Chat/serious debates thread maybe you should stop using the forum altogether because that doesn't ruin a thread. It's not like it puts an end to any possibility of a conversation.

Its not the odd gif though is it? lets be honest here, the gif spamming lately has been well beyond a joke and quite a few members have mentioned it which is the reason for them no longer being allowed in serious debates..it's not just about people being offended by funny gifs, the amount that are being repeatedly posted in threads causes the thread in question to lag while loading, it also affects members with slow internet.

I totally get what Stu was referring to with his post, even though the gifs may not be the cause of the forum being awful lately it really does add to it.

And no one saying it's not ok to post gifs but there is threads lately when the one gif is posted over and over and even quoted then posted 4/5 times in the one post.

Seriously what is wrong with using words?

[Mitchell]

Gonna be very unpopular, but I would disallow moderators to take part in games and most loved, I'd allow them to run games, but being in games I'd say no to

[Me. I Am Salman]

Well some people have different senses of humour, and we're not the only ones considering your signature is full of spammed images of black men

Nathan who is a moderator spams nonsensical things & images of black people but no one says anything to him

[T*]

Its not the odd gif though is it? lets be honest here, the gif spamming lately has been well beyond a joke and quite a few members have mentioned it which is the reason for them no longer being allowed in serious debates..it's not just about people being offended by funny gifs, the amount that are being repeatedly posted in threads causes the thread in question to lag while loading, it also affects members with slow internet.

I totally get what Stu was referring to with his post, even though the gifs may not be the cause of the forum being awful lately it really does add to it.

And no one saying it's not ok to post gifs but there is threads lately when the one gif is posted over and over and even quoted then posted 4/5 times in the one post.

Seriously what is wrong with using words?

:worship:

[Mitchell]

(not that it's stopping the forum being active,that's just what I'd do if I were the boss of TiBB)

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/29/1383059408320/Marine-worm-006.jpg
He Wants Control.

[Josy]

Well some people have different senses of humour, and we're not the only ones considering your signature is full of spammed images of black men

What has humour got to do with it?

And my sig is spoilered, it isn't interrupting threads and isn't slowing the forum down as far as I'm aware.

[Kyle]

I've only been here since mid 2013 but is this forum really awful compared to past years?

I'm not a forum expert but it seems fairly active to me. :shrug:

[Josy]

Well some people have different senses of humour, and we're not the only ones considering your signature is full of spammed images of black men

Nathan who is a moderator spams nonsensical things & images of black people but no one says anything to him

You edited your post after I quoted you...

Nathan doesn't go into threads and post 35 gifs of the same thing over and over that's the difference.

[T*]

Well some people have different senses of humour, and we're not the only ones considering your signature is full of spammed images of black men

1: Yes people have different senses of humour, not got anything to do with it though.
2: Your blabbering on about a signature that has pictures that are in Spoiler tags, not lagging the page because they only load when you click the spoiler tags.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I've only been here since mid 2013 but is this forum really awful compared to past years?

I'm not forum expert but it seems fairly active to me. :shrug:

People said the forum was dead when I joined too, pay no attention to it

[Me. I Am Salman]

You edited your post after I quoted you...

Nathan doesn't go into threads and post 35 gifs of the same thing over and over that's the difference.

Well we do that in threads we make we don't always do it in serious threads, that's a lie.

[Josy]

Well we do that in threads we make we don't always do it in serious threads, that's a lie.

No one said you always do it in serious debates Salman, you are basically replying to things that haven't even been posted..

[Me. I Am Salman]

When I say serious threads I mean threads that aren't joke/pointless/pop music threads

[Z]

Posting a .GIF as a humorous response to something is fine. When it's done well, it can be absolutely hilarious. Posting them all the time cheapens the effect. It's like that guy who posts only in the form of poetry - what used to be quite an interesting thing to read quickly became a boring gimmick that few people bother to read because every single post is done in the same style. That's what people are getting at, Salman, nobody's saying you've ruined the site or that posting .GIFs isn't funny or acceptable - it can be really, really funny if it's done sparingly, but if you rely on a gimmick all the time then people accept it as the norm and don't find it funny anymore.

Personally I don't think there are any problems with the site as it is, though, content-wise. Sure, some of the forum icons could do with a 2013 upgrade, and there are minor things here and there that need changing - I'd reintroduce the 3 strikes and out system and I really miss having the karma system because I think it encouraged people to make good, interesting and witty posts - but those things were lost when the site changed to a new format... but for the most part it's still a place I enjoy posting on (evidently, I've been here for over 8 years! :laugh:) and I find that you get out what you put in on this site - if you're expecting to be entertained then you need to go sign up to forum games or the pub quiz or start a thread about something. There aren't as many people creating new threads as there used to be, because people haven't taken on the role of creating new threads as other people have dropped off the radar. The site is still full of activity, there are lots of people around, it's just that the regular faces change over time and a lot of people get stuck in the past and can't accept the change.

[Josy]

When I say serious threads I mean threads that aren't joke/pointless/pop music threads

Ah right I get you.

Even at that though take that thread I had to post a warning in last night for an example, some members might have actually want a decent discussion in that thread but it turned into a complete mess of constant gifs, do you honestly not see how that's a bit unfair on other members? it doesn't really matter who makes a thread everyone is entitled to post in them without having to scroll past all of that.

[Brother Leon]

Move the Sports forum to the top of the index page above all of the others, go back to the old warning system, and add some football games to the arcade.
Winner


Says the one who spams threads about supermarket deals :/

Knowing there is 2 for 1 at Asda>Generic black woman gifs.

[T*]

Posting a .GIF as a humorous response to something is fine. When it's done well, it can be absolutely hilarious. Posting them all the time cheapens the effect. It's like that guy who posts only in the form of poetry - what used to be quite an interesting thing to read quickly became a boring gimmick that few people bother to read because every single post is done in the same style. That's what people are getting at, Salman, nobody's saying you've ruined the site or that posting .GIFs isn't funny or acceptable - it can be really, really funny if it's done sparingly, but if you rely on a gimmick all the time then people accept it as the norm and don't find it funny anymore.

Personally I don't think there are any problems with the site as it is, though, content-wise. Sure, some of the forum icons could do with a 2013 upgrade, and there are minor things here and there that need changing - I'd reintroduce the 3 strikes and out system and I really miss having the karma system because I think it encouraged people to make good, interesting and witty posts - but those things were lost when the site changed to a new format... but for the most part it's still a place I enjoy posting on (evidently, I've been here for over 8 years! :laugh:) and I find that you get out what you put in on this site - if you're expecting to be entertained then you need to go sign up to forum games or the pub quiz or start a thread about something. There aren't as many people creating new threads as there used to be, because people haven't taken on the role of creating new threads as other people have dropped off the radar. The site is still full of activity, there are lots of people around, it's just that the regular faces change over time and a lot of people get stuck in the past and can't accept the change.
This!!!!! [2]

[Stu]

I really want to do the next pub quiz but I totally bailed on my team members in the last one because we didn't pay our internet bills and got cut off #thuglyf.

Please have me back, 5MB.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Ah right I get you.

Even at that though take that thread I had to post a warning in last night for an example, some members might have actually want a decent discussion in that thread but it turned into a complete mess of constant gifs, do you honestly not see how that's a bit unfair on other members? it doesn't really matter who makes a thread everyone is entitled to post in them without having to scroll past all of that.

I know my limits, I've never done it over excessively in one thread

[Me. I Am Salman]

Winner




Knowing there is 2 for 1 at Asda>Generic black woman gifs.

Generic black woman gifs > constantly trying to be masculine and using bodybuilding forum phrases all the time which people in the Simp thread or whatever it's called do in 100% of their posts

That's also spam. As is the Niamh is old joke, and a 1000 other things so people should stop targeting us

[Ramsay]

5MB featuring Curt Hawkins and Tyler Reks , good times :love:

[Stu]

5MB featuring Curt Hawkins and Tyler Reks , good times :love:
http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/2012/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Screen-Shot-2013-07-16-at-9.36.34-AM.png

#patriots.

[arista]

I've only been here since mid 2013 but is this forum really awful compared to past years?

I'm not a forum expert but it seems fairly active to me. :shrug:



No

its Sad Scott was removed
and of course others do not post as much as its a off season

Soon we have ITV1HD Down Under

Its Good Stu is posting
you never know what is going to Spunk out of him.

[reece(:]

I'm not sure Ammi would've liked this thread to go down this route... all I've to say is different people from different walks of life will not get others humour. And regarding the gifs, I thought posting the same gif will take up less loading time than many different ones and I think it's quite acceptable to post them alongside comments towards a subject (taking the music thread for example) as it can show ones emotion towards anothers point in the discussion better than any smiley ever could.

I do think they're getting overused now in some areas (me to blame in some instances, yes..) but I see no harm if they are used in context with ones view, I understand that spamming them can become over tiresome for some in irrelevant areas. I would never go rampaging into a sports/debate/news etc thread spamming gifs because there's a time and a place of which I think chat & games and music discussions are both acceptable places as the people in some of these threads are the same ones that would agree with me here. An example of a recent thread is the halloween gifs, I think it'd be a good idea to warn people if there may be many gifs in a thread. I'm not biting at anyone I just was seeing this thread being thrown my direction and wanted to get my view across.

[arista]

"I'm not sure Ammi would've liked this thread to go down this route."


Thats Why TIBB is Fun

You Pop out
come back and your thread could be Locked

Life In The Fast Lane.

[thesheriff443]

"I'm not sure Ammi would've liked this thread to go down this route."


Thats Why TIBB is Fun

You Pop out
come back and your thread could be Locked

Life In The Fast Lane.

i would not call tibb life in the fast lan:nono:

[Niamh.]

Generic black woman gifs > constantly trying to be masculine and using bodybuilding forum phrases all the time which people in the Simp thread or whatever it's called do in 100% of their posts

That's also spam. As is the Niamh is old joke, and a 1000 other things so people should stop targeting us

Too right Salman!

[AnnieK]

If I were boss of TiBB I would pull the plug on the server so the forum goes down for a bit then people would realise what they have and just get on with posting in the threads they want.........did it work?

[Niamh.]

"I'm not sure Ammi would've liked this thread to go down this route."


Thats Why TIBB is Fun

You Pop out
come back and your thread could be Locked

Life In The Fast Lane.

:love:

[Josy]

Now that it's mentioned I would actually ban the Nimah is old joke all together I cringe every time I see it posted :laugh:

Also 'Marc is ginger' yeah we know...

[Niamh.]

Now that it's mentioned I would actually ban the Nimah is old joke all together I cringe every time I see it posted :laugh:

Also 'Marc is ginger' yeah we know...

:worship:

[Jake.]

I'd get rid of Josy

[thesheriff443]

marc is the g man

[reece(:]

If I were boss of TiBB I would pull the plug on the server so the forum goes down for a bit then people would realise what they have and just get on with posting in the threads they want.........did it work?
I think so! :laugh:

[MeMyselfAndI]

Also since I've been unbanned (beginning of October) I've literally started over 50 threads, with one having 1500+ replies and two or three having replies in their hundreds. How many threads have the people who are complaining the forum is dull & blaming me among others started?

Preach
http://i.imgur.com/VkmZX1H.gif

[Kazanne]

you can get free forums that allow for different skins etc and they let you do pretty much everything TIBB does,so I don't know how advertising makes money as it,s usually the ones that use advertising that are free,you can upgrade to get rid of the ads.

[Shaun]

they're free because the advertising revenue goes to the owners of proboards, or VG boards, or whatever... this is its own domain.

[smeagol]

if i was boss of tibb i would make it a rule that your avitar must be a naked picture of yrself but first screened by me if its worthy enough lol
i would also arrange weekly orgies for us members to spice things up here.
then watch the forum get busy - ok busy full of pervs freaks and weirdos but least it would be busy lol

[Roy Mars III]

outlaw gifs

charge money for premium accounts with benefits

get Mollie/Mikes forum skin put in

limit the amount of crappy music threads allowed (only one Rihanna thread per fortnight)

get rid of useless mods (Marc)

make Chat and Games posts count

[Me. I Am Salman]

I agree with Roy about the premium thing, their should be a subscription where you get a coloured name, can have a gif avatar, access to a private unmoderated forum, higher inbox capacity etc. That'd help fund the site too. Sooo many forums do that

[smeagol]

get rid of the boring people send them to mordor

[Marc]

Add a mentions feature.. (e.g @Black Dagger) when there is a thread/post that somebody on here might appreciate/find offensive

And I'd add new forum skins. I understand these are both difficult but they'd be lovely additions

[Marc]

outlaw gifs

charge money for premium accounts with benefits

get Mollie/Mikes forum skin put in

limit the amount of crappy music threads allowed (only one Rihanna thread per fortnight)

get rid of useless mods (Marc)

make Chat and Games posts count

How very dare you

[michael21]

..what would you do to make the forum more active...positive suggestions..?...

i am the boss of tibb

get better severs so when there more then 5 members on here the forum sill runs fast

i would also have a 3 times rules where it OK to make a thread like most hated or what ever it called and games thread but after 3 times it cant be use again so it keep the forum fresh and not boring

[Marcus.]

i am the boss of tibb

get better severs so when there more then 5 members on here the forum sill runs fast

i would also have a 3 times rules where it OK to make a thread like most hated or what ever it called and games thread but after 3 times it cant be use again so it keep the forum fresh and not boring

but micheal that would make more fights

[fingers]

if i was boss of tibb i would make it a rule that your avitar must be a naked picture of yrself but first screened by me if its worthy enough lol
i would also arrange weekly orgies for us members to spice things up here.
then watch the forum get busy - ok busy full of pervs freaks and weirdos but least it would be busy lol

I'll join you in the screening!

and the orgies

and whatever lascivious Hobbits do in secret!

[Locke.]

Get rid of Marc as a mod and close the chat threads, they have overstayed their welcome and the other threads would be much busier without them http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/drague/gay/gayviolet.gif

[michael21]

i would also scarp post count who give a flying peeeep how many time members have posted :crazy:

[Glenn.]

This thread has been quite funny to read :laugh:

If I was the boss I'd implement a decent ignore system. The one we have is dire. If someone quotes a member on your ignore list you see what they are saying anyway, making the system completely useless.

I'd get rid of the swear filter. Again, completely useless.

I'm down with the 3 strikes and you're out thing. Far too many idiots get banned then come back just the same and in cases, even worse than before they were banned.

New skins.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The 3 strikes your out idea is the dumbest idea ever, this forum would end up with no members

[Drew.]

This thread has been quite funny to read :laugh:

If I was the boss I'd implement a decent ignore system. The one we have is dire. If someone quotes a member on your ignore list you see what they are saying anyway, making the system completely useless.

I'd get rid of the swear filter. Again, completely useless.

I'm down with the 3 strikes and you're out thing. Far too many idiots get banned then come back just the same and in cases, even worse than before they were banned.

New skins.

great idea

[Jords]

ban errybody

[Vicky.]

The 3 strikes your out idea is the dumbest idea ever, this forum would end up with no members

We used to have a 3 strikes rule. Still had loads of members(loads more than now actually), just people knew not to take the piss with breaking rules so they didnt, unless they were utter trolls :shrug:

Infraction system is way dodgy, because you can give someone 1 point for something small and it ends up giving them a fortnight ban :bored:

[Josy]

I would love the 3 strike rule to come back.

[King Gizzard]

I'd banish the invisible mode feature

[King Gizzard]

well, I can see people appearing invisible anyway, but still

[Josy]

You take that back

[Ammi]

..what is the '3 strikes rule'..?..I mean, I can see what it is but is it 3 strikes and a permanent ban/week ban/month ban etc..?...

..I don't personally agree with a private section, there is such a mixed/varied age range on TiBB that all that would do is exclude members and how can a forum of this size be a 'community' if people were excluded from sections..it's not just an age thing either, because lots of forums have a certain post count before a member can be part of a private section so it would also exclude newer members and make them feel less a part of the forum and more aware of being a 'newbie'....the one main thing that I loved when I first started to post off-season was a 'community feel' to TiBB, which to some extent I don't think it is so much anymore, so changing anything that would make it more so/or less so would be a bad thing, I think...the 'like/dislike', I'm also on a forum that has that but it doesn't seem to serve any purpose..but maybe is left open to being abused if members didn't get on...

..Zee mentioned about making threads...obviously some days there are lots and other days, not so many..that's just the way of it but it's kind of a two way thing that people have to be interested in posting in those threads ..I'm as guilty as anyone to sometimes struggle with enthusiasm to post in threads so then I guess after a time people struggle with enthusiasm to make them as well....

..I think having personalised avatars/sigs should be open to everyone/not just a privilege because that would be another thing that would exclude newer members who didn't have a high enough post count and generally I think exclusions are a bad thing..but maybe have a compulsory 'switch off' mode for on season/live show threads for different things..so that the forum didn't slow down so much...

..I don't see any problems with the invisible mode/most forums have that option and mods and members use it if they wish to...


..the chat threads, yeah I do see them particularly quiet atm and maybe that's just a very temporary thing or maybe we don't need two of them anymore ...maybe people are choosing to chat more off-site/on other sites, so they won't be as busy...


...the 'sort out you differences' type room/section...personally and in my experience, whenever people in general feel quite 'heated', then continuing in another area wouldn't really solve anything because of raised emotions at that time and might only make it worse...for me, more of a 'time out' area would be better as trying to communicate with anyone when both your own and their emotions might be quite high is not usually a good idea....

[Vicky.]

..what is the '3 strikes rule'..?..I mean, I can see what it is but is it 3 strikes and a permanent ban/week ban/month ban etc..?...


First strike was a day ban IIRC. Second was a week. Third was permanent

Mind back then it was seriously rare for anyone to even gt a warning, as noone took the piss the way they do now. Its the infraction system thats made people like they are today IMO

[Kizzy]

Are you joking vicky? :laugh: I've heard about this place and seen threads where it was all out war on here...
And you say now it takes the piss? If you are judged to have rolled your eyes at someone you get infracted...
Not suggesting any bias (god forbid) but posts are open to interpretation, one moderator may consider a comment 'sniping' and another 'joking'.
That's the problem with infractions, the strikes thing I would have thought would involve more than wone mod and therefore be more objective.

[GiRTh]

Are you joking vicky? :laugh: I've heard about this place and seen threads where it was all out war on here...
And you say now it takes the piss? If you are judged to have rolled your eyes at someone you get infracted...
Not suggesting any bias (god forbid) but posts are open to interpretation, one moderator may consider a comment 'sniping' and another 'joking'.
That's the problem with infractions, the strikes thing I would have thought would involve more than wone mod and therefore be more objective.No. Vicky is right. The infraction system is a joke. It was much better when people knew exactly what they could and couldn't get away with.

[Ammi]

No. Vicky is right. The infraction system is a joke. It was much better when people knew exactly what they could and couldn't get away with.

..I think the thing with the infraction system is that it's not really clear how it works...

[GiRTh]

..I think the thing with the infraction system is that it's not really clear how it works...I agree.

[MTVN]

What's not clear about it though?

I think the system itself is fine it's just that the points structure could do with changing

[Marc]

ban errybody

I'm happy with this decision.

[Ammi]

What's not clear about it though?

I think the system itself is fine it's just that the points structure could do with changing

..I can't remember which thread Vicky explained it in once, where infractions/bans are dependent on many different things which are taken into consideration....

[Marc]

First strike was a day ban IIRC. Second was a week. Third was permanent

Mind back then it was seriously rare for anyone to even gt a warning, as noone took the piss the way they do now. Its the infraction system thats made people like they are today IMO

Don't give them an excuse Vicky.

They're being infracted and banned because they're absolutely atrocious!!!

[Z]

The reason the 3 strikes system is better is because people were very much aware of where they stood on the forum. There were three blank boxes on every user's profile, and if you were given a warning then one of the boxes would be filled yellow with a black exclamation mark. You knew that if you had done something to earn a warning, you'd better not do it again or you would be getting a second one. It meant that people knew what the limit was. With the infraction system, because it's a rolling system where infractions drop off after a certain period of time, there is just no end to people bickering with each other. People know that they'll be banned for a day or two and then they can come back, keep their head down for a while until the points have expired and then have a go at each other again. It's maddening.

[GiRTh]

The reason the 3 strikes system is better is because people were very much aware of where they stood on the forum. There were three blank boxes on every user's profile, and if you were given a warning then one of the boxes would be filled yellow with a black exclamation mark. You knew that if you had done something to earn a warning, you'd better not do it again or you would be getting a second one. It meant that people knew what the limit was. With the infraction system, because it's a rolling system where infractions drop off after a certain period of time, there is just no end to people bickering with each other. People know that they'll be banned for a day or two and then they can come back, keep their head down for a while until the points have expired and then have a go at each other again. It's maddening.This. I see people infracted for getting around the swear filter but then I see threads where FM's are calling each other 'bitch'. Its hardly consistent.

[Josy]

No. Vicky is right. The infraction system is a joke. It was much better when people knew exactly what they could and couldn't get away with.

This isn't actually true tbh.

And one of the reasons members are no longer allowed to see how many points they have, is because some were working out what rules they could break but still not be given enough points to banned iykwim.

[Josy]

This. I see people infracted for getting around the swear filter but then I see threads where FM's are calling each other 'bitch'. Its hardly consistent.

You see people on here being called a bitch in a non jokey way? why don't you report it? :shrug:

[Marc]

This isn't actually true tbh.

And one of the reasons members are no longer allowed to see how many points they have, is because some were working out what rules they could break but still not be given enough points to banned iykwim.

:suspect:

[GiRTh]

You see people on here being called a bitch in a non jokey way? why don't you report it? :shrug:Not my style to report people. I think its the job of the mods to find those posts.

[Josy]

:suspect:

Google is your friend iykwim














If you know what I mean I was just being lazy alright!

[Drew.]

This isn't actually true tbh.

And one of the reasons members are no longer allowed to see how many points they have, is because some were working out what rules they could break but still not be given enough points to banned iykwim.

Yikwymj

[GiRTh]

This isn't actually true tbh.

And one of the reasons members are no longer allowed to see how many points they have, is because some were working out what rules they could break but still not be given enough points to banned iykwim.Are you saying it was worse when people knew what they could and couldnt post? I disagree.

[Josy]

Not my style to report people. I think its the job of the mods to find those posts.

Really? well don't moan about consistency if you aren't willing to report rule breaks tbh, we cant see every single thread on the forum.

[King Gizzard]

Not my style to report people. I think its the job of the mods to find those posts.

What, to sit trawling through threads all day? We don't get paid :laugh: Report function is there for a reason

[GiRTh]

Really? well don't moan about consistency if you aren't willing to report rule breaks tbh, we cant see every single thread on the forum.I was replying to a point that was made. Was I Moaning to do that|?

[Josy]

Are you saying it was worse when people knew what they could and couldnt post? I disagree.

No that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the infraction system was worse when people could work out the point to let them break the rules.

[Z]

I know it might come across like glorifying the olden days; but I really believe the warning system was superior to the infraction system. It would cause a lot of people to stop their petty arguments because most people value being able to post here over being able to have an argument with someone they dislike. With the infraction system, people know that unless they do something outrageous like invade people's privacy or spread hate speech, they'll always be allowed back.

[Josy]

I was replying to a point that was made. Was I Moaning to do that|?

Yep I think you were moaning :idc:

[GiRTh]

No that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the infraction system was worse when people could work out the point to let them break the rules.
And I'm saying the infraction system is worse than the old system. I didnt say anything about how the infraction system used to work. I've never liked it.

[Ammi]

..I don't think the mods could see every single post and I do see your point, Josy...but how I see it anyway, is that in any other 'rule/moderated' system, there would be clear rules, like there is here, obviously, but there is also a set consequence to that, where people who break those rules, know the precise sanction to that, which from my observations of what members say, that doesn't appear to be so here...

[Me. I Am Salman]

Why do people want this forum to be strict and boring

[GiRTh]

Yep I think you were moaning :idc:Really? I thought I was agreeing with Vicky but if you think thats moaning that thats up to you. :thumbs:

[Josy]

I know it might come across like glorifying the olden days; but I really believe the warning system was superior to the infraction system. It would cause a lot of people to stop their petty arguments because most people value being able to post here over being able to have an argument with someone they dislike. With the infraction system, people know that unless they do something outrageous like invade people's privacy or spread hate speech, they'll always be allowed back.

I would like to try the 3 strike rule out too tbh.

The thing is though Zee a lot of the members that argue continuously really don't want to stop IMO, I have no idea why but to me it seems like a hobby to them, they love the drama :laugh:

But yeah I agree the 3 strike rule would probably put an end to that but then certain members would no doubt end up permanently banned and how long would it be before lots were asking if they could come back?

[Ammi]

I would like to try the 3 strike rule out too tbh.

The thing is though Zee a lot of the members that argue continuously really don't want to stop IMO, I have no idea why but to me it seems like a hobby to them, they love the drama :laugh:

But yeah I agree the 3 strike rule would probably put an end to that but then certain members would no doubt end up permanently banned and how long would it be before lots were asking if they could come back?

..what about if the third strike meant a 'cooling off period' which could be at the mods/admins discretion, depending on whether they felt the member could come back to the forum...instead of permanent bans, because reducing numbers of members wouldn't seem like a good idea, anyway...

[Josy]

..I don't think the mods could see every single post and I do see your point, Josy...but how I see it anyway, is that in any other 'rule/moderated' system, there would be clear rules, like there is here, obviously, but there is also a set consequence to that, where people who break those rules, know the precise sanction to that, which from my observations of what members say, that doesn't appear to be so here...

I think we have discussed having a clear set of infraction rules before but came to the conclusion that it wouldnt work because of the amount of infractions and points some members already have.

Like say if someone who had never even had a warning broke the exact same rule as someone who is banned every week, giving them the exact same points etc would be very unfair and that's why we cant have precise punishments to rule breaks.

[Josy]

..what about if the third strike meant a 'cooling off period' which could be at the mods/admins discretion, depending on whether they felt the member could come back to the forum...instead of permanent bans, because reducing numbers of members wouldn't seem like a good idea, anyway...

Yeah I think something like that would be a great idea.

[Ammi]

Yeah I think something like that would be a great idea.

..I think..(and I'm only mentioning Scott because he's the only for it to have been applied to, to my knowledge..)..that an indefinite ban would be better as a final third strike anyway, because it's not in my opinion good to say 'never' but the member could have some..(limited..) contact with admin, and they would determine how long the ban lasted...the only thing then would be that once someone had an indefinate ban and was allowed back, then something would have to be decided whether after that it would just be one strike..?..or another three strikes and next time permanently...

[Z]

I would like to try the 3 strike rule out too tbh.

The thing is though Zee a lot of the members that argue continuously really don't want to stop IMO, I have no idea why but to me it seems like a hobby to them, they love the drama :laugh:

But yeah I agree the 3 strike rule would probably put an end to that but then certain members would no doubt end up permanently banned and how long would it be before lots were asking if they could come back?

Sure but most people do value being able to post on here more than they value getting to make a dig at someone they don't like. And the warning would generally come after things had gotten ridiculously heated, so people knew to never let things get that bad again - whereas infractions are dished out ASAP to try and put a stop to arguments, which is good, but the negative overall result is that the tension keeps simmering away.

Worst comes to worst, if you have two (or more) people who won't stop arguing then one or both of them will end up permanently banned and either they're both gone, or one of them chills out completely once the other one is gone. People have been asking to let certain members back for years now on the infraction system though (e.g. Stacey) and when one of them was allowed back (Thomas C) it lasted for all of a blink of an eye because he hadn't changed.

If people manage to get themselves permanently banned from a discussion forum because they can't conduct themselves in an appropriate manner then they don't deserve to be on here. People will of course feel differently about that if it's one of their friends who is permanently banned; but the rules should be strict, clear, fixed and permanent. With the infraction system, it just isn't possible to have rules at those standards which means people take the piss with them.

[Kazanne]

Sure but most people do value being able to post on here more than they value getting to make a dig at someone they don't like. And the warning would generally come after things had gotten ridiculously heated, so people knew to never let things get that bad again - whereas infractions are dished out ASAP to try and put a stop to arguments, which is good, but the negative overall result is that the tension keeps simmering away.

Worst comes to worst, if you have two (or more) people who won't stop arguing then one or both of them will end up permanently banned and either they're both gone, or one of them chills out completely once the other one is gone. People have been asking to let certain members back for years now on the infraction system though (e.g. Stacey) and when one of them was allowed back (Thomas C) it lasted for all of a blink of an eye because he hadn't changed.

If people manage to get themselves permanently banned from a discussion forum because they can't conduct themselves in an appropriate manner then they don't deserve to be on here. People will of course feel differently about that if it's one of their friends who is permanently banned; but the rules should be strict, clear, fixed and permanent. With the infraction system, it just isn't possible to have rules at those standards which means people take the piss with them.

That makes sense,people need to know their boundries,and not feel they can 'sweet talk' their way back.

[MTVN]

..I think..(and I'm only mentioning Scott because he's the only for it to have been applied to, to my knowledge..)..that an indefinite ban would be better as a final third strike anyway, because it's not in my opinion good to say 'never' but the member could have some..(limited..) contact with admin, and they would determine how long the ban lasted...the only thing then would be that once someone had an indefinate ban and was allowed back, then something would have to be decided whether after that it would just be one strike..?..or another three strikes and next time permanently...

Yeah I would like to see indefinite bans completely replacing permanent ones and perhaps even 3/6 months bans tbh, they give a lot more flexibility and room to manoeuvre, a lot can change both on the forum and in people in a few months which might change how they post or calm them down a lot

[Ammi]

Yeah I would like to see indefinite bans completely replacing permanent ones and perhaps even 3/6 months bans tbh, they give a lot more flexibility and room to manoeuvre, a lot can change both on the forum and in people in a few months which might change how they post or calm them down a lot

..yeah, I agree but I also think it has to work the other way as well, in that if someone came back after an indefinite ban, say 3/6 months and started in any way referring to that ban or the reasons for it, then a strike should be made or the ban extended again... because maybe they haven't 'moved on..'...?...

[Z]

Yeah I would like to see indefinite bans completely replacing permanent ones and perhaps even 3/6 months bans tbh, they give a lot more flexibility and room to manoeuvre, a lot can change both on the forum and in people in a few months which might change how they post or calm them down a lot

I agree in principle but I don't think indefinite bans should replace permanent ones or 3/6 month ones... because it's the same thing - people know that if they behave well, they can always come back. I think indefinite bans should be taken into consideration if the moderating team feels that the person who has been banned for a lengthy period of time (3 months - permanently) is acting out of character and they feel that this person could come back and not cause any more trouble; but if you make indefinite bans the default then people still won't show any respect for the system.

[Jack_]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the infraction system, I just think people's issues with each other aren't allowed to be resolved by letting them go at it just once. I think the early stops to any arguments just makes the problem continue because the issues aren't discussed, I spoke more about this in that thread the other day though. Maybe even getting everyone that has problems with each other together to solve their problems offsite, like on Tinych*t or something might help?

Also as far as I remember the three warning rule was never three strikes and a permanent ban, it was three strikes and then a ban which increased in length with every three strikes. So after the first three you'd get a day ban, the next three a week ban, the next three a month, next a year, then permanent. Or something like that...I think anyway. I prefer the infraction system but if we were to go back it'd have to be to that, three strikes and a perma ban would rid this forum of half of its members, even some mods too tbh

[Ammi]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the infraction system, I just think people's issues with each other aren't allowed to be resolved by letting them go at it just once. I think the early stops to any arguments just makes the problem continue because the issues aren't discussed, I spoke more about this in that thread the other day though. Maybe even getting everyone that has problems with each other together to solve their problems offsite, like on Tinych*t or something might help?

Also as far as I remember the three warning rule was never three strikes and a permanent ban, it was three strikes and then a ban which increased in length with every three strikes. So after the first three you'd get a day ban, the next three a week ban, the next three a month, next a year, then permanent. Or something like that...I think anyway. I prefer the infraction system but if we were to go back it'd have to be to that, three strikes and a perma ban would rid this forum of half of its members, even some mods too tbh

..I understand everyone is different Jack, (that's part of the fun, yeah..)..but I think when two people are heated or more than two people, then it's best to step back, rather than continue with it..because at that 'moment' and with heightened emotions, then it's more often going to result negatively...

[Z]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the infraction system, I just think people's issues with each other aren't allowed to be resolved by letting them go at it just once. I think the early stops to any arguments just makes the problem continue because the issues aren't discussed, I spoke more about this in that thread the other day though. Maybe even getting everyone that has problems with each other together to solve their problems offsite, like on Tinych*t or something might help?

Also as far as I remember the three warning rule was never three strikes and a permanent ban, it was three strikes and then a ban which increased in length with every three strikes. So after the first three you'd get a day ban, the next three a week ban, the next three a month, next a year, then permanent. Or something like that...I think anyway. I prefer the infraction system but if we were to go back it'd have to be to that, three strikes and a perma ban would rid this forum of half of its members, even some mods too tbh

I just do not agree with the concept of having some thread where people have a go at each other until they're blue in the face. Would you let two countries bomb each other until they both felt they'd bombed each other enough? No, you'd get them to put the weapons down and let go of the anger. I don't understand why so many people on this forum have this incessant need to fight with each other. If I have a problem with someone in any aspect of my life I just try and avoid coming into contact with them where possible and being civil whenever I have to talk to them.

[Drew.]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the infraction system, I just think people's issues with each other aren't allowed to be resolved by letting them go at it just once. I think the early stops to any arguments just makes the problem continue because the issues aren't discussed, I spoke more about this in that thread the other day though. Maybe even getting everyone that has problems with each other together to solve their problems offsite, like on Tinych*t or something might help?

Also as far as I remember the three warning rule was never three strikes and a permanent ban, it was three strikes and then a ban which increased in length with every three strikes. So after the first three you'd get a day ban, the next three a week ban, the next three a month, next a year, then permanent. Or something like that...I think anyway. I prefer the infraction system but if we were to go back it'd have to be to that, three strikes and a perma ban would rid this forum of half of its members, even some mods too tbh

There are too many groups on the forum.. If one person from one group made up with someone from another there will still be someone from one of the groups that will dislike that person and the bitching and talking about them will still continue..

[Jordan.]

..what about if the third strike meant a 'cooling off period' which could be at the mods/admins discretion, depending on whether they felt the member could come back to the forum...instead of permanent bans, because reducing numbers of members wouldn't seem like a good idea, anyway...

Ew no cause the people the mods like would obviously be let back earlier.

[Ammi]

There are too many groups on the forum.. If one person from one group made up with someone from another there will still be someone from one of the groups that will dislike that person and the bitching and talking about them will still continue..

..yeah, I do think there are lots of groups, which I never noticed before when I first posted but maybe that was always so....'back in the day' it felt more of a Community....

[Ammi]

Ew no cause the people the mods like would obviously be let back earlier.

..there is no 'mods like' and 'mods don't like'..there are mods who connect with different people and those people vary from mod to mod...mods aren't a 'mould' of one thing and all like minded when it comes to members personalities....

[Jordan.]

..there is no 'mods like' and 'mods don't like'..there are mods who connect with different people and those people vary from mod to mod...mods aren't a 'mould' of one thing and all like minded when it comes to members personalities....

Sorry but no i disagree, the mods can be cliquey and people like MMI who none of them like would suffer worse from this happening.

[Kazanne]

Mods are humans , they will like some members more than others ,it is inevitable , I only know a couple(maybe 3) members who have the bottle to challenge them as others fear they will be infracted , banned ,whatever, it's quite noticeable how some always agree with a mod because they fear their wrath , lol ,I try and get on with most people but it doesn't always happen , so I just try and chat with people I get on with. People know the rules when they join so no excuse really for a permanent ban, some people actions don't deserve a 'second' chance imo .

[Ammi]

Sorry but no i disagree, the mods can be cliquey and people like MMI who none of them like would suffer worse from this happening.

..I'm not going to talk about specific members, but from what I see on the forum as a regular poster, actions are usually justified and that for me is why a 'slog it out' area wouldn't be a good idea because I think sometimes, and it could happen with any of us....it's good for people to take a step back/distance and look at their own part in things..which is really hard when you're 'involved' yourself and probably not always easy if it's a friend, but you do have to look at the actions of people you like as well..we all have done that at some point, I'm sure...

[Ammi]

Mods are humans , they will like some members more than others ,it is inevitable , I only know a couple(maybe 3) members who have the bottle to challenge them as others fear they will be infracted , banned ,whatever, it's quite noticeable how some always agree with a mod because they fear their wrath , lol ,I try and get on with most people but it doesn't always happen , so I just try and chat with people I get on with. People know the rules when they join so no excuse really for a permanent ban, some people actions don't deserve a 'second' chance imo .

..I don't see it as anything to do with 'bottle', if someone is breaking a rule then there isn't anything to 'challenge'..?.....yeah, mods are human and because of that, then members will naturally like some of them as well/it's a genuine thing...but not all mods will connect with the same members and not all members will connect with the same mods...

[Vicky.]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the infraction system, I just think people's issues with each other aren't allowed to be resolved by letting them go at it just once. I think the early stops to any arguments just makes the problem continue because the issues aren't discussed, I spoke more about this in that thread the other day though. Maybe even getting everyone that has problems with each other together to solve their problems offsite, like on Tinych*t or something might help?

Also as far as I remember the three warning rule was never three strikes and a permanent ban, it was three strikes and then a ban which increased in length with every three strikes. So after the first three you'd get a day ban, the next three a week ban, the next three a month, next a year, then permanent. Or something like that...I think anyway. I prefer the infraction system but if we were to go back it'd have to be to that, three strikes and a perma ban would rid this forum of half of its members, even some mods too tbh
We have private messaging that should suffice for that stuff. The problem is, a lot of members like their laundry to be aired in public..its no fun without an audience.

The three strikes I think you mis-remember :p One warning was an instant ban, 2nd after that was a longer ban, and third was permanent. We had another system running alongside that where members got ministrike thing against them, to let other mods who might not know history and stuff know if the member was a serial troublemaker or not..which helped decide if a warning was justified. Also IIRC, other members could see if someone had got a warning fo a post..which helped with the cries of 'X gets away with everything, bias' etc that we have now

I dont think half the members would be gone at all. think people would stop pushing their luck like thy do at the moment. And if people cant control themselves, then I think the forum is better off without them anyway :shrug:

[Kazanne]

..I don't see it as anything to do with 'bottle', if someone is breaking a rule then there isn't anything to 'challenge'..?.....yeah, mods are human and because of that, then members will naturally like some of them as well/it's a genuine thing...but not all mods will connect with the same members and not all members will connect with the same mods...

Maybe 'bottle' is the wrong word then,but it's not often you see people disagree with them,I'll leave it at that:hugesmile:

[Vicky.]

Maybe 'bottle' is the wrong word then,but it's not often you see people disagree with them,I'll leave it at that:hugesmile:

Maybe not on the forum, but we get a lot of PMs from members who are mature enough to realise that causing a ****storm in public is not the best way to go about things and that they most likely end up banned themselves for doing that.

Infact, most infractions that get reversed and stuff are because of people being mature and discussing their problems with us (without insulting us), rather than going mental and whinging on the forum about it.

[Ammi]

Maybe 'bottle' is the wrong word then,but it's not often you see people disagree with them,I'll leave it at that:hugesmile:

..there's not always anything to disagree with though, I think most of us see ourselves when something is offensive/personal...

[Marc]

Sorry but no i disagree, the mods can be cliquey and people like MMI who none of them like would suffer worse from this happening.

Well you're obviously wrong here because I don't dislike MMI at all, we watch a lot of the same shows and we can discuss things together. Being a MOD isn't like a full time job y'know I can detach all I need to but when theres an obvious remark or a build up of things somebody does then they're always going to get infracted/lead to a ban banned.

[Kazanne]

..there's not always anything to disagree with though, I think most of us see ourselves when something is offensive/personal...

No ,I didn't really mean stuff that's offensive and personal(we do all see that),just in general on the threads.

[Jack_]

I just do not agree with the concept of having some thread where people have a go at each other until they're blue in the face. Would you let two countries bomb each other until they both felt they'd bombed each other enough? No, you'd get them to put the weapons down and let go of the anger. I don't understand why so many people on this forum have this incessant need to fight with each other. If I have a problem with someone in any aspect of my life I just try and avoid coming into contact with them where possible and being civil whenever I have to talk to them.

I don't really consider myself one of the members that has major issues with anyone on here and tbh I do agree that the feuds people have on here at times is really bizarre and petty, but the problem is that when an argument between these groups develops and is then stopped, the problem is still there, it isn't going away. Yes it's just the internet and these people should probably grow up a bit, but they're not going to...I just think if they were given an opportunity to truly say how they felt without having to watch what they say, then it could go on for as long as necessary until they all either realised how ridiculous they were being and laughed it off, or just mutually decided to avoid each other.

I'd say there's probably...two (maybe just one tbh) members on this site that I'd say I think badly of, if I could just tell them exactly what I thought of them, they do the same back to me, we talk it over for a bit and then be done with it, I think the problems would be over.

We have private messaging that should suffice for that stuff. The problem is, a lot of members like their laundry to be aired in public..its no fun without an audience.

The three strikes I think you mis-remember :p One warning was an instant ban, 2nd after that was a longer ban, and third was permanent. We had another system running alongside that where members got ministrike thing against them, to let other mods who might not know history and stuff know if the member was a serial troublemaker or not..which helped decide if a warning was justified. Also IIRC, other members could see if someone had got a warning fo a post..which helped with the cries of 'X gets away with everything, bias' etc that we have now

I dont think half the members would be gone at all. think people would stop pushing their luck like thy do at the moment. And if people cant control themselves, then I think the forum is better off without them anyway :shrug:

The PM thing is fine and would absolutely suffice and the idea of a no holds barred forum could be scrapped, but the problem is rules still apply there so you end up in a situation where say a member could send you a PM telling you exactly what they think of you, insults and all, and you'd be like okay that's cool fine, and you respond with the same kinda thing, and then they go and report it? That's not exactly fair or solving the problem. With the exception of racism, homophobia, insults about appearance...the usual stuff, if people were allowed to say exactly what they wanted over PM and truly batter out their differences, then yes that'd be perfect and would resolve a lot of problems I think. On the odd occasion I've discussed issues with other members via PM it has worked, but I'm talking about the members on here that have serious problems with each other LOL

[Z]

I don't really consider myself one of the members that has major issues with anyone on here and tbh I do agree that the feuds people have on here at times is really bizarre and petty, but the problem is that when an argument between these groups develops and is then stopped, the problem is still there, it isn't going away. Yes it's just the internet and these people should probably grow up a bit, but they're not going to...I just think if they were given an opportunity to truly say how they felt without having to watch what they say, then it could go on for as long as necessary until they all either realised how ridiculous they were being and laughed it off, or just mutually decided to avoid each other.

I'd say there's probably...two (maybe just one tbh) members on this site that I'd say I have real issues with, if I could just tell them exactly what I thought of them, they do the same back to me, we talk it over for a bit and then be done with it, I think the problems would be over.

But there's nothing stopping people from doing that right now - the issue isn't that the moderating team clamps down on people's ability to argue things out - the issue is that people aren't interested in resolving their conflicts, they just want to take public snipes at each other and hope that the moderating team will infract the other person to somehow prove how right and justified they are in picking fights with the same people over and over again. There are so many pairs of users or groups of users who are guilty of this, it's always the same people arguing with the same people - if they wanted to deal with it like adults, they would. They don't want to deal with it like adults. They don't like each other and they want everyone to know it. Having a thread where they can show it off is just going to feed their egos, it's not going to resolve anything.

People could PM each other if it's a two person conflict; or they could hold a group chat on another website if that was something they wanted to do - but they don't want to do that at all.

[Ammi]

No ,I didn't really mean stuff that's offensive and personal(we do all see that),just in general on the threads.

...hmmm, I'm not sure exactly what you mean..do you mean not disagreeing with a mod in a debate topic..?...all I mean is that, maybe that's because does agree with their points and nothing to do with them being a mod...we all 'connect' more with people we are more like minded with, isn't that so of life...and the fact that they're a mod is irrelevant...I don't think I've ever seen anyone 100% agree with anyone else on this forum, whoever they were....I can see that if someone didn't particularly like that member, they may think ughhh, they're just agreeing because it's a mod, but that wouldn't be the case, that would just be through 'their eyes', which are based on their own feelings about people...is that what you mean..?...

[chuff me dizzy]

..there's not always anything to disagree with though, I think most of us see ourselves when something is offensive/personal...

And we ALL have our own minds ,what bothers some people is water off a ducks back to others

[Ammi]

I don't really consider myself one of the members that has major issues with anyone on here and tbh I do agree that the feuds people have on here at times is really bizarre and petty, but the problem is that when an argument between these groups develops and is then stopped, the problem is still there, it isn't going away. Yes it's just the internet and these people should probably grow up a bit, but they're not going to...I just think if they were given an opportunity to truly say how they felt without having to watch what they say, then it could go on for as long as necessary until they all either realised how ridiculous they were being and laughed it off, or just mutually decided to avoid each other.



..but why does it have to 'go away' Jack...the reality of it is that it probably won't go away, there will always be some personality clashes and that's our of the mods or forum's control, it's not their responsibility to worry about that...that's between those members themselves to sort out if they want to and privately...but I personally doubt many people can discuss things while they are still emotional about something, it's usually better to take a step back and think of your own part in it because very rarely in an 'argument' situation is something one-sided...

[Ammi]

And we ALL have our own minds ,what bothers some people is water off a ducks back to others

..yeah, I agree people are 'bothered' by different things, but that's not what the forum is being moderated by, it's only when someone reacts to something, which may not have been a rule break by insulting/getting personal etc that moderating action is taken....

[Me. I Am Salman]

People in here are speaking as if tibb is out of control atm with rule breakers when it's quiet as hell.

[Kazanne]

...hmmm, I'm not sure exactly what you mean..do you mean not disagreeing with a mod in a debate topic..?...all I mean is that, maybe that's because does agree with their points and nothing to do with them being a mod...we all 'connect' more with people we are more like minded with, isn't that so of life...and the fact that they're a mod is irrelevant...I don't think I've ever seen anyone 100% agree with anyone else on this forum, whoever they were....I can see that if someone didn't particularly like that member, they may think ughhh, they're just agreeing because it's a mod, but that wouldn't be the case, that would just be through 'their eyes', which are based on their own feelings about people...is that what you mean..?...

:joker:I best not go any further,I know what I mean, it's trying to find the right words that wont look like I am attacking anyone and getting an infraction,What you see and I see ammi are obviously different.

[Z]

People in here are speaking as if tibb is out of control atm with rule breakers when it's quiet as hell.

That's true, personally I'm just speaking in generalities, right now things are more or less fine as far as I'm aware.

[Ramsay]

I'd give every new member that signs up an autographed copy of Tina Turner - Love Explosion

[LemonJam]

I'd get rid of the swear filter for most words (considering the things that Big Brother has aired the occassional expletive shouldn't be too bad)

[reece(:]

People in here are speaking as if tibb is out of control atm with rule breakers when it's quiet as hell.
This 3 strike warning system would only send the forum further into mortuary mode.

[reece(:]

I'd get rid of the swear filter for most words (considering the things that Big Brother has aired the occassional expletive shouldn't be too bad)
It's pretty silly, ****.

[Ramsay]

Yes but in honesty the swear filter is ridiculous

[Jack_]

Getting rid of the swear filter is top priority, it serves no purpose. When I type the word '****ing', you still read it the same in your head. You know what it is, no nice little asterisks are going to change what word it is, which makes the entire thing pointless

[Z]

Getting rid of the swear filter is top priority, it serves no purpose. When I type the word '****ing', you still read it the same in your head. You know what it is, no nice little asterisks are going to change what word it is, which makes the entire thing pointless

I don't mind the swear filter. I think maybe tinych_t could come off the filter now though :laugh:

[Kazanne]

I'd give every new member that signs up an autographed copy of Tina Turner - Love Explosion

Is Tina still around?:joker:

[thesheriff443]

this forum is no different than real life, its not what you know but who you know.
that's just the way it is.
I don't have a problem with the mods or rules.

[Ammi]

:joker:I best not go any further,I know what I mean, it's trying to find the right words that wont look like I am attacking anyone and getting an infraction,What you see and I see ammi are obviously different.

...ahh, ok, Kaz...but I think we all generally see the same things though, if we're online of course because those are the things that happen/the 'facts' as it were... only people for varied reasons will see them from different perspectives...because there are always 'many truths'....

..anyway, I have loads to do and I've put off doing it for long enough, so I think I'll leave the thread now...

[Ammi]

I'd give every new member that signs up an autographed copy of Tina Turner - Love Explosion

..I didn't get a copy..:hmph:...

[michael21]

i give all member that post a snicker :amazed:

[Black Dagger]

What if they are allergic to nuts, Michael.. personally I'm not.

[michael21]

What if they are allergic to nuts, Michael.. personally I'm not.

there get a snicker they don't have to eat eat there can give it to some else :hmph:

warning michael21 main contain nuts :shocked:

[Kyle]

this forum is no different than real life, its not what you know but who you know.
that's just the way it is.
I don't have a problem with the mods or rules.

My view is in accordance with this. I'm not suggesting an alternative because there is no other way but when a mod is on such good terms with a certain person and they get into an argument with someone else and they step out of line I just cannot see them giving that person an infraction.

I'm not trying to kick off by the way it's just what I think.

[Vicky.]

My view is in accordance with this. I'm not suggesting an alternative because there is no other way but when a mod is on such good terms with a certain person and they get into an argument with someone else and they step out of line I just cannot see them giving that person an infraction.

I'm not trying to kick off by the way it's just what I think.

This is simply not right. I permabanned my fave member on here (:(). And other mods give out infractions to their 'friends' quite often

[Kyle]

This is simply not right. I permabanned my fave member on here (:(). And other mods give out infractions to their 'friends' quite often

Fair enough. I retract the comment.

[Lee.]

I think there are people on here who don't give the mods any reason to infract them and because of this are thought of by some as the " mods favourites"

It's really not difficult.. Be nice, be tolerant and accept that different people have different opinions, and you won't be infracted! :)

[King Gizzard]

I think there are people on here who don't give the mods any reason to infract them and because of this are thought of by some as the " mods favourites"

It's really not difficult.. Be nice, be tolerant and accept that different people have different opinions, and you won't be infracted! :)

going to laminate this and put it on the TiBB common room wall

[Benjamin]

No. Vicky is right. The infraction system is a joke. It was much better when people knew exactly what they could and couldn't get away with.

I agree. There was still trouble back then but people had less chances before they were booted off of here for good.

[Benjamin]

My view is in accordance with this. I'm not suggesting an alternative because there is no other way but when a mod is on such good terms with a certain person and they get into an argument with someone else and they step out of line I just cannot see them giving that person an infraction.

I'm not trying to kick off by the way it's just what I think.

Wrong.

I have banned both MMI and Shaun when I was a mod and I like them, and I know for a fact other mods have infracted and banned members they like.

[Jack_]

I permabanned my fave member on here (:().

:suspect:

[Kyle]

Wrong.

I have banned both MMI and Shaun when I was a mod and I like them, and I know for a fact other mods have infracted and banned members they like.

Yes yes, Vicky already told me that's why I posted underneath that I retracted the comment before you jump all over me.

[Vicky.]

:suspect:

Tommy :tongue:

Yeah he was a troll but I got on with him a lot offsite

[Benjamin]

Yes yes, Vicky already told me that's why I posted underneath that I retracted the comment before you jump all over me.

Just sharing my opinion as the mods have this criticism a lot.

[Gstar]

I would arrange an enormous TIBB event in real life which everyone must attend or their house will get petrol bombed

[thesheriff443]

Just sharing my opinion as the mods have this criticism a lot.

its only your opinion ben, so stop telling members they are wrong!
they are just as wrong as you!

[King Gizzard]

It was more a fact than anything

[thesheriff443]

It was more a fact than anything

only a fact to those that believe it!.

[Ammi]

its only your opinion ben, so stop telling members they are wrong!
they are just as wrong as you!

..Ben was responding to say that he had himself infracted/banned friends though, it wasn't a case of it being an opinion...

[Ammi]

only a fact to those that believe it!.

..but he has, when he was a mod so it's not just an opinion...

[GiRTh]

only a fact to those that believe it!.Are you calling Ben a liar?

[Apple202]

Unban ********tan

[thesheriff443]

..Ben was responding to say that he had himself infracted/banned friends though, it wasn't a case of it being an opinion...

he may well of done this himself, but that don't make some one else's opinion of what happens on tibb wrong.

[thesheriff443]

Are you calling Ben a liar?

no, im saying what he has done in the past does not make someone else's opinion wrong

[Ammi]

he may well of done this himself, but that don't make some one else's opinion of what happens on tibb wrong.

..yeah, but it's an incorrect opinion if that member felt that mods never ban people they know and that's what Ben said...and the member accepted that himself...

..ok, I just don't understand your perspective on this, but that's cool...