If Hannah and Tamera were bottom 2 who do you think would win the sing off?

[Vanessa]

I think Tamera, if she chooses the right song. :)

[Vanessa]

The last time Hannah was in the sing off she messed up the song. :suspect:

[Niamh.]

Tamera I think, I prefer her voice anyway

[Vanessa]

Tamera I think, I prefer her voice anyway

I think Hannah is more likely to mess up the song. She gets very emotional.

[Samm]

I would prefer if Hannah won but I love Tamara

[GiRTh]

Thats a bit of a nightmare for the judges. Tamera is more marketable so I'm gonna go with her

[Vanessa]

Judges opinion would be spilt. I think it may go to deadlock. :suspect:

[Braden]

Nicole - refuse to vote
Gary - sends Tamera home
Sharon - sends Hannah home
Louis - sends Hannah home

...That's how I would see it at this moment.

It would depend on the sing-off though.

[Brother Leon]

Hannah would be better, but Tamera goes through.

[Saph]

I think Hannah would stay, though I'd prefer Tamera to

[alex_front2]

Tamera for reasons similar to what is imlied in this Guardian blog article

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/03/few-black-female-stars-darker-skinned

[reece(:]

Tamera

[Benjamin]

Tamera, although I prefer Hannah.

[Black Dagger]

Tamera.

Nicole - No vote
Gary - Sends home Hannah
Sharon - Sends home Tamera
Louis - Sends home Hannah.

[Vanessa]

I prefer Tamera, despite her bad attitude.

[alex_front2]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/03/few-black-female-stars-darker-skinned

I was in a posh chelsea pub on night of first x factor live show and thought I would miss it
but surprisingly the pub had tv with x factor on. Hannah opened the show and the crowd were repulsed by her. "Ewwww" "she's the rough copy" , "can't bare to look at her", " ok voice, but not right looks"

As a black woman it saddens me but for showbiz 2013 she's too black for music industry now. So Cowell will want rid off her - as he revealed he did against miss dynamix.

[Marc]

Hannah would go I reckon

[King Gizzard]

they'd save Tamera over anyone

[Marc]

they'd save Tamera over anyone

How about over Ms Bailey?

[King Gizzard]

Probably would still save Tamera

Tamera is still going to sell alot more records then Sam Bailey outside of the show regardless of where they both place

[Vanessa]

How about over Ms Bailey?

I think it would go to deadlock in that case. :suspect:

[GiRTh]

Probably would still save Tamera

Tamera is still going to sell alot more records then Sam Bailey outside of the showThis. I dont think Simon can sell Sam B to America.

[Vicky.]

Tamera would win a singoff against anyone. Even if she squatted on stage and took a giant crap rather than singing she would still be saved

[Vanessa]

Tamera would win a singoff against anyone. Even if she squatted on stage and took a giant crap rather than singing she would still be saved

But Sam B is a better singer.

[Vicky.]

But Sam B is a better singer.

Yes but that doesnt matter. The singoff is just a safety net for the judges/simons favs :p

[King Gizzard]

To the judges/Simon/executives it's not a singing competition :laugh: It's who will sell the most outside of the show, Sam won't, Tamera will

[Vanessa]

Yes but that doesnt matter. The singoff is just a safety net for the judges/simons favs :p

Sam B will never be in the bottom two anyway.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It's a bit obvious

[alex_front2]

Agree with Girth, Tamera (and maybe luke) sells in us , others won't work in us.

[Shaun]

I think Tamera would survive against any of them except Sam Bailey and Rough Copy.

[GiRTh]

But Sam B is a better singer.When has that ever mattered? This is X Factor.

[Vanessa]

When has that ever mattered? This is X Factor.

I think she would beat Tamera in a sing off hands down.

[GiRTh]

I think she would beat Tamera in a sing off hands down.Sam is a better singer but Tamera has that marketability.

[Vanessa]

Sam is a better singer but Tamera has that marketability.

True.

[alex_front2]

I think she would beat Tamera in a sing off hands down.

Nope Tamera will stay over Sam b. Simon will see to that, in fact he'd welcome these 2 in bottom 2 as it would be a legit excuse to ditch sam, he couldnt ditch her against sam c, abi or
Hannah.
Sam b is a perfectly polite happily married mid 30s mother of 2. Not in the "sexy" beyonce or aguilera mould but mumsy, just not marketable. In a world of rihanna instagramming her vagina and miley bragging about an*l sex, sam b will struggle to get any attention.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Agree with Girth, Tamera (and maybe luke) sells in us , others won't work in us.

Actually I'm not sure about this. You saw how Mary J Blige went crazy for Hannah. Hannah has the soul that Americans like. Tamera is just another pretty face that can sing a note, how many of those are manufactured per year and hardly last. Hannah has something IMO.

[GiRTh]

Actually I'm not sure about this. You saw how Mary J Blige went crazy for Hannah. Hannah has the soul that Americans like. Tamera is just another pretty face that can sing a note, how many of those are manufactured per year and hardly last. Hannah has something IMO.From what I've sen Hannahs performances start off good but fall away. She has talent but needs a lot of coaching.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Tamera for reasons similar to what is imlied in this Guardian blog article

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/03/few-black-female-stars-darker-skinned

well this is not a new problem, it has been going on for years. The difference is now dark men are glorified called sex god ( Idris) and dark women are called gargoyles and those dark men are siding more with the media rather then their race. So basically the black girls feel it more now because we are alone. where as before we could take the insults about our huge lips and noses as a united race :bawling:
http://i44.tinypic.com/9u41e9.jpg

[alex_front2]

Actually I'm not sure about this. You saw how Mary J Blige went crazy for Hannah. Hannah has the soul that Americans like. Tamera is just another pretty face that can sing a note, how many of those are manufactured per year and hardly last. Hannah has something IMO.

As I posted in previous article, sadly Hannah is too " black" to even crack US now (and im a black female), its all mixed girls beyonce, emeli s, ciara, rihanna etc or white girls like miley, iggy azealia, katy b, adele who can sing urban/ black genres.

[Apple202]

Obv Tamera

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

From what I've sen Hannahs performances start off good but fall away. She has talent but needs a lot of coaching.

I'll admit that she does but with the right coaching and songs, I think she could go far in America. Maybe estelle can mentor her :joker:

[joeysteele]

I think between Hanna and Tamera the judges would save Tamera.

Should Sam C be in the sing off then no matter who was there with him, Nicole and Gary would 100% vote for him to go out,even if he performed brilliantly and whoever else was against him forgot their words even.
I even suspect Sharon would too although she may help send it to deadlock to aid Louis.

I just haven't a clue how the votes may go this week, it really likely depends on which of the older songs the younger voting viewers took to most.

[GiRTh]

As I posted in previous article, sadly Hannah is too " black" to even crack US now (and im a black female), its all mixed girls beyonce, emeli s, ciara, rihanna etc or white girls like miley, iggy azealia, katy b, adele who can sing urban/ black genres.Unfortunately this is also true. Saying Tamera is more 'marketable' is just a polite way of saying it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

As I posted in previous article, sadly Hannah is too " black" to even crack US now (and im a black female), its all mixed girls beyonce, emeli s, ciara, rihanna etc or white girls like miley, iggy azealia, katy b, adele who can sing urban/ black genres.

I had to google Katy B. :joker: But yeah I am not arguing with this, it's been going on for years.

[alex_front2]

well this is not a new problem, it has been going on for years. The difference is now dark men are glorified called sex god ( Idris) and dark women are called gargoyles and those dark men are siding more with the media rather then their race. So basically the black girls feel it more now because we are alone. where as before we could take the insults about our huge lips and noses as a united race :bawling:
http://i44.tinypic.com/9u41e9.jpg

No, you're right it's not new but it's become worse. The fact is whites rarely sang r n b or soul in 1960s or rap years ago now they are dominating these genres in 2013. Biggest r nb singers in 2013 - robin thicke, justin timberlake, and rap acts macklemore, and iggy azealia. The media only cared about twerking as miley cyrus did it. Black women are no longer needed.

When film execs were discussing making a posthumous film about whitney houston apparently an executive asked about the viability of getting a white actress to play her.

Why have hannah when you can have a "cute" white soul or urban girl like adele, iggy azealia, katy b or joss stone. Mixed women are acceptable as the people who own media and labels often find them attactive, dark skinned women, not so much. Tennis star Serena Williams is one of the greatest players yet blond Sharipova gets $9m a year more in sponsorships. The only other ueber famous " black black " women are Oprah (she'd never be a star now starting in 2013), Michelle Obama, and Oscar winner/ singer Jennifer Hudson. Kelly Roland ( or Michelle Williams ) was never going to be as huge as Beyonce. Sese Foster (pregnant one) in Miss Dynamix has loads of charisma but imo was only going ever going to be a marketable proposition in being in a group with 2 lighter skinned black girls, she auditioned with 2 white guys so even she knows the score. Will.I.Am admitted that when Black Eye Peas were scouting for a female vocalist a white female was the most viable option.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

No, you're right it's not new but it's become worse. The fact is whites rarely sang r n b or soul in 1960s or rap years ago now they are dominating these genres in 2013. Biggest r nb singers in 2013 - robin thicke, justin timberlake, and rap acts macklemore, and iggy azealia. The media only cared about twerking as miley cyrus did it. Black women are no longer needed. Why have hannah when you can have a "cute" white soul or urban girl like adele, iggy azealia, katy b or joss stone. Mixed women are acceptable as the people who own media and labels often find them attactive, dark skinned women, not so much. Tennis star Serena Williams is one of the greatest players yet blond Sharipova gets $9m a year more in sponsorships. The only other ueber famous " black black " women are Oprah (she'd never be a star now starting in 2013), Michelle Obama, and Oscar winner/ singer Jennifer Hudson

Well Miss Obama gets her fair share of abuse and monkey face photoshopped images while Obama is of course wubbed. sigh.

Sidebar:Sharapova sucks,all she's good for is shrieking. Long live serena. A lot of people know she's the greatest of this decade.

"Will.I.Am admitted that when Black Eye Peas were scouting for a female vocalist a white female was the most viable option."
course I've said this before. They were only known by hardcore rnb'ers until they put fergie in then it was all about fergie

[alex_front2]

And Michelle Obama is only known due to marriage regardless that she's very smart, smarter than her hubby imho. If she had stood for election she'd be destroyed, sadly.

It saddens me that when Wozniacki mocked Serena's figure it gotvso much praise. Julianna Hough Dancer woman got away with blacking up as a black tv character for Hallooween. Sums things up how pathtic it's now.

Anyway good luck to hannah, but I think she'll be misha b #2 but with dimishing returns.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

And Michelle Obama is only known due to marriage regardless that she's very smart, smarter than her hubby imho. If she had stood for election she'd be destroyed, sadly.

It saddens me that when Wozniacki mocked Serena's figure it gotvso much praise. Julianna Hough Dancer woman got away with blacking up as a black tv character for Hallooween. Sums things up how pathtic it's now.

Anyway good luck to hannah, but I think she'll be misha b #2 but with dimishing returns.

Well regarding figures here's how it goes-we got the I like big butts ridicule song for years, then Jennifer lopez came with a big butt OH WE LIKEY IT'S BEAUTIFUL IT'S AMAZEBALLS-KIM KARDASHIAN OH DOUBLE AMAZEBALLS!! :amazed: This can go on all night :D

Yes good luck to Hanna. To be honest wouldn't mind Sam Bailey winning.

[GiRTh]

Well regarding figures here's how it goes-we got the I like big butts ridicule song for years, then Jennifer lopez came with a big butt OH WE LIKEY IT'S BEAUTIFUL IT'S AMAZEBALLS-KIM KARDASHIAN OH DOUBLE AMAZEBALLS!! :amazed: This can go on all night :D

Yes good luck to Hanna. To be honest wouldn't mind Sam Bailey winning.Excellent point. :thumbs:

[alex_front2]

Ithinkiloveyou, katy b is on xtra factor tonight btw.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Ithinkiloveyou, katy b is on xtra factor tonight btw.

nah it's alright. :joker:

[alex_front2]

:dance:nah it's alright. :joker:

She's talented!

Bte who is the woman in your avatar and sig?

[james130]

Hannah is better in every aspect. :idc:
But the Judges would be decapitated by Simon if they sent Tamera home.

[Vanessa]

I prefer Tamera. I think Hannah is very over rated.

[james130]

I prefer Tamera. I think Hannah is very over rated.
I think Tamera is.
She clearly loves herself and her voice is soul-less in comparison to Hannah's.

[alex_front2]

I think they are both good, but the reality is hannah doesn't seem to be a viable artist. She'd get zero publicity as an artist, and she probably won't sell. Too many people seem to hate her voice. Even the bbc radio 1 Xtra crowd prefer sam b.

[Vanessa]

I think Tamera is.
She clearly loves herself and her voice is soul-less in comparison to Hannah's.

I thought Tamera was amazing on saturday. Best for me.

[alex_front2]

I think Tamera is.
She clearly loves herself and her voice is soul-less in comparison to Hannah's.

I like tamera's confidence, and guys find that rather sexy about her ( she's 16 folks!!!!!!!).

[erinp5]

Hannah is better in every aspect. :idc:
But the Judges would be decapitated by Simon if they sent Tamera home.

this.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

:dance:

She's talented!

Bte who is the woman in your avatar and sig?

I pm'ed you madam.