Legalise Dope

[Nemo123]

Not a fan of Mary Jane but it it should be legal to buy.

[Stu]

Oh no. I hate when this happens. I have to post loads and be right about everything :(.

[Jack_]

I concur.

[Nemo123]

If you have RT, Russian Television, you might be lucky enough to have seen the programme I saw last night. Her interview with Luke "Ming" Flannagan". Oxana Boyko.

[Stu]

If you have RT, Russian Television, you might be lucky enough to have seen the programme I saw last night. Her interview with Luke "Ming" Flannagan". Oxana Boyko.
Ahh Ming. My dear friends in England are really missing out on this dynamo of Irish politicians.

http://s1.thejournal.ie/media/2012/07/Flanagan-Grouch-21-630x332.jpg

He can be a sarcastic knob at times but this is something he has been fighting for for years and years now in fairness to him. He speaks on the issue with much more eloquence than our other elected representatives.

Unfortunately the bill to regulate Cannabis was - obviously - defeated in the Dail. It was the government and their party line against a very small group of independent TD's. However the buck has dropped on open dialogue about Cannabis in this country so this is a start, not an end.

Ireland will be one of the last dominoes to fall in this worldwide regulation effort that is taking hold but the domino will fall. We'll just take some time on it because you know ... it's Ireland.

The arguments against Cannabis those in opposition read out in the Dail were hilarious copy and paste efforts from the internet. I saw the leaders of this country use a weird hybrid of scientific terminology and street slang entirely without a knowledge of context. Most of them looked like they were reading from a sheet for the first time in their lives - passing off a counterfeit school project as their own. Actually most of them sat it out in the Dail bar when just a few bothered to show up to hear the extensive literature in favor of regulation. Seriously. I'm not making that up. There is a bar in our house of power and the TD's like to have a good old piss up there every now and then to celebrate the latest enactment of protecting the children and/or selling our Republic down the river.

When the bill was defeated those opposed jeered and heckled. It was a deplorable classroom scene. I watched the stream over two days. They may as well have chucked paper airplanes at those in favor and called them emo fagots. The good old boys. They're who run our country. The thickos who were never particularly good at any subject but were 'good lads' and were born and raised into their party lines where they came to fruition in the world of on campus youth politics. An arena filled with about as much boundless passion as a call center.

My opinion, obviously, is this : In no way is Cannabis perfectly safe but it's dangers are either created or exacerbated by it's illegality. We need it regulated. We need to create a multi million euro [pound then, ****ers] market of safer Cannabis you can chose based on strength and effects. We need it treated as a health issue and not a judicial one. Blah blah blah. I've said it all before. "But Stu we have increasing evidence that Cannabis with a high level of THC can cause underlying mental health problems to come to the fore". Great. The problem of high ratio THC:CBD strains is a problem created by illegality. See where I'm going with this?

Can of worms, baby.

[Livia]

I just want to say "Ditto" to everything Stu says, as usual.

[Kizzy]

Oh no. I hate when this happens. I have to post loads and be right about everything :(.

:suspect:

[Stu]

:laugh2:

http://www.bodylovewellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-the-dude-lebowski.gif

[Kizzy]

Stu my little cumquat, where is the limit on the strength that would be classed as legal?
As an ex addict I could have drank enough spirits to floor the average elephant...
My point is once you build a tolerance to this legal substance what then?

[Stu]

Stu my little cumquat, where is the limit on the strength that would be classed as legal?
As an ex addict I could have drank enough spirits to floor the average elephant...
My point is once you build a tolerance to this legal substance what then?
18-24% THC levels are the most that commercial strains tend to be able to be bred towards now so I imagine that's your natural limit.

Tolerance will build regardless of what strain you're smoking and it's a smokers Achilles heel really. Everyone gets it and the only way to make it drop is to take tolerance breaks or not cane the stuff too much. You'll only really 'stop' getting high if you're smoking continuously throughout the day which is counterproductive to ... well ... everything anyway.

When I was a serious boozer I could put away a 70cl of Jameson and have a stagger about town without too much trouble but that was going to end up killing me eventually.

[arista]

In America
some states have it as legal.


Go There

[GiRTh]

In America
some states have it as legal.


Go ThereReally? Which ones?

[Kizzy]

18-24% THC levels are the most that commercial strains tend to be able to be bred towards now so I imagine that's your natural limit.

Tolerance will build regardless of what strain you're smoking and it's a smokers Achilles heel really. Everyone gets it and the only way to make it drop is to take tolerance breaks or not cane the stuff too much. You'll only really 'stop' getting high if you're smoking continuously throughout the day which is counterproductive to ... well ... everything anyway.

When I was a serious boozer I could put away a 70cl of Jameson and have a stagger about town without too much trouble but that was going to end up killing me eventually.

How would it be ingested too?
Do the tobacco companies want this rubbing their hands at the prospect of lots of lovely new addicts?
The responsible users are never the issue are they, but as with alcohol young people can sometimes make bad choices and not respect these limits.
Not suggesting it would be specifically a youth issue, but if it followed a similar pattern to alcohol (binge drinking) it's not a great prospect to me.

[Stu]

How would it be ingested too?
Do the tobacco companies want this rubbing their hands at the prospect of lots of lovely new addicts?
The responsible users are never the issue are they, but as with alcohol young people can sometimes make bad choices and not respect these limits.
Not suggesting it would be specifically a youth issue, but if it followed a similar pattern to alcohol (binge drinking) it's not a great prospect to me.
Mixing it with tobacco tends to be a side effect of illegality and particularly European trait. Most of us were raised on poor quality import hash before the growing boom started with all the grass and bud that followed, so we had to mix in the resin with tobacco in order to smoke it and make it last.

If you go to America nobody smokes it with tobacco. In fact it's kind of looked down on, really. You would look out of place crumbling a cigarette into a joint. The weed is clean and smokeable all on it's own, and the regulation and commercialisation of it has popularized vaporizing and edible options.

I use a vaporizer myself. It was a great investment because I don't smoke tobacco anymore either and wouldn't encourage anyone to. It's a weird feeling suddenly getting nice and toasted without actually feeling anything go in to your lungs. Much healthier and more clear headed, because you lose that initial kind of dizziness that comes with the brief oxygen depletion caused by smoking anything.

People are always going to be there to abuse anything. You can always bring that up as an anomaly no matter what you're talking about. The current system is hindering more things than it's helping still, I feel.

[Jesus.]

Really? Which ones?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._state

Medical use only is actually a work around, rather than strictly what it states. You just have to say something ridiculous like you're an artist struggling for inspiration, or you can't sleep, and you'll get a prescription without any hassle.

[GiRTh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._state

Medical use only is actually a work around, rather than strictly what it states. You just have to say something ridiculous like you're an artist struggling for inspiration, or you can't sleep, and you'll get a prescription without any hassle.For medical use. That makes sense.

[Nemo123]

People simply need to petition their MP and say, simply, they want cannabis to be legalised.

[Nemo123]

For those who have stressed the strength, when it' legal and regulated, that won't be an issue.

[fingers]

For those who have stressed the strength, when it' legal and regulated, that won't be an issue.

Of course not, in the UK they'll simply slap a "Green Tax" on the purchase to "Save the World"

[Nemo123]

Of course not, in the UK they'll simply slap a "Green Tax" on the purchase to "Save the World"

They'll slap a tax of course, but it will still undercut the illegal market by a long chalk. Otherwise it wouldn't work. AND with licensed vendors there'd be a guarantee of quality.

[Me. I Am Salman]

No ty, it can lead to other drugs as well

[fingers]

No ty

I take it you'll stick with your current supplier?

[Nemo123]

No ty, it can lead to other drugs as well

Well that's our choice. The thing is you should not be allowed your preferences on everybody else.

[Nemo123]

Really? Which ones?

Can't tell you, but Arista is right. Google it if you really want to know.

[GiRTh]

No ty, it can lead to other drugs as wellThats actually nonsense. Its like saying cuz you like to occasionally drink a glass of wine with dinner you will become an alcoholic. Its a ridiculous concept.

[Nemo123]

The thing is Mary Jane gives you a high, lifts you out of your daily life.

[fingers]

> http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/10/19/despite-legal-marijuana-rules-in-20-states-feds-wont-play-ball/

[fingers]

Thats actually nonsense. Its like saying cuz you like to occasionally drink a glass of wine with dinner you will become an alcoholic. Its a ridiculous concept.

....or start smoking tobacco.

[Nemo123]

....or start smoking tobacco.

That logic denies people to make intelligent choices

[GiRTh]

That logic denies people to make intelligent choices
Exactly. It looks like Salman believes what he reads in the papers and hears on the news. His logic assumes no one who uses the drug has any self control.

[fingers]

That logic denies people to make intelligent choices

Blame Salman, he suggested it.

[Nemo123]

It's preferable to boose, and the police would have easier nights, with less aggression on the streets. The hospitals would have quieter evenings, with fewer drunks and victims of drunken violence.

[fingers]

Vote for Nemo123 for Prime Minister!

[Nemo123]

PM's in Britain go to Harrow or Eaton, except John Major, who I think was the best PM Britain has had in my lifetime.

[fingers]

PM's in Britain go to Harrow or Eaton, except John Major, who I think was the best PM Britain has had in my lifetime.

...and you CAN'T vote for them anyway!

[Nemo123]

...and you CAN'T vote for them anyway!

Nobody can, they aren't up for election.

[Nemo123]

What makes me trust Major is, I always though he was a good soul, genuine and sincere. Recently he came out of the woodwork to condemn energy price rises.

[fingers]

He also tucked his shirt into his underpants, the sign of a man who can be trusted!

[Nemo123]

He also tucked his shirt into his underpants, the sign of a man who can be trusted!

He wore his underpants outside his trousers, allegedly.

[fingers]

He wore his underpants outside his trousers, allegedly.

You're confusing him with Superman! :elephant:

[Nemo123]

You're confusing him with Superman! :elephant:
He WAS Superman!

[fingers]

He WAS Superman!

I fell into that one. :dance:

[MTVN]

Thats actually nonsense. Its like saying cuz you like to occasionally drink a glass of wine with dinner you will become an alcoholic. Its a ridiculous concept.

I'm not so sure, I think it's different. People start on weed and find no problems/only benefits and it naturally leads them to wonder if other illegal drugs are also not all as bad as is made out, and if just tried every now and again won't have any real harmful effect. I've seen someone I know go from shying away from weed to being happy to try cocaine in just a few months, and I do think there is a progression.

Not that I'm using that as an argument against legalisation, I actually think that legalising it and allowing it to be distributed in a regulated and legal way would basically normalise it and not lead to any slippery slope of illegal drugs

[Nemo123]

I'd legalise morphine, heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, opium, the whole lot. Leave it up to the individual to decide. I'd only prohibit seriously dangerous drugs, ones that are just bad.

[Nemo123]

Far far more people die from legalised drugs like alcohol and tobacco than die of prohibited drugs.

[Samuel.]

And have it taxed to ****? Nah

[Me. I Am Salman]

Far far more people die from legalised drugs like alcohol and tobacco than die of prohibited drugs.

Do you ****ng need drugs though
far too many people in this thread are acting like their lives depend on it for ****s sake, how about you just shut up and don't smoke it at all. I don't want more awful smelling freaks on my streets

[GiRTh]

I'm not so sure, I think it's different. People start on weed and find no problems/only benefits and it naturally leads them to wonder if other illegal drugs are also not all as bad as is made out, and if just tried every now and again won't have any real harmful effect. I've seen someone I know go from shying away from weed to being happy to try cocaine in just a few months, and I do think there is a progression.

Not that I'm using that as an argument against legalisation, I actually think that legalising it and allowing it to be distributed in a regulated and legal way would basically normalise it and not lead to any slippery slope of illegal drugsI think the person you know is the exception not the rule.

There are millions of people who drink but are not alcoholics as is there are millions of people who smoke weed but feel no desire to start to inject themselves. I dont know anyone who has made that progression.

[GiRTh]

And have it taxed to ****? NahEven if its taxed it will still be cheaper than if its illegal.

[Redway]

Do you ****ng need drugs though
far too many people in this thread are acting like their lives depend on it for ****s sake, how about you just shut up and don't smoke it at all. I don't want more awful smelling freaks on my streets

No ... but that argument extends to so many recreational activities. No one needs to do anything but if that's what people want to do it's entirely their prerogative and if anything isn't needed it's their basic rights being revoked under the guise of 'morality'.

What's also grating is this misconception you seem to have about 'druggies' being smelly, psychotic freaks injecting needles at your local park, which is wrong. Certainly being high doesn't affect your cognitive abilities in the sense that you can still function totally normal as you usually would, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at with that one.

How many drug users do you know, actually? Because the majority of cannabis smokers at least are perfectly normal, functional members of society who enjoy the odd spliff from time to time, not spaced-out nutcases who do them 24/7.

[Ramsay]

It was recently brought up at the Dail over here and the people opposed to it were throwing out completely stupid facts from their arse that it made me almost feel good that my money is going to the drug trade and not them fools

[Nemo123]

You'll always have to fight conservative forces in Ireland. In the republic Of Ireland, there was a "Condom Train", famously back in the 1980's, where mostly women challenged the illegality of contraceptives, and went up to the North of Ireland to buy, legally, condoms and bring them back to Ireland and face the gauntlet of the customs and the Law. They made a big statement. But that was only a part of the picture of life in Ireland. You would not believe what outraged the public, and fell on the wrong side of the law only 30 years ago, and how much enlightment has been brought to the insular Irish.

[Nemo123]

Sex was a guilt ridden thing. It was only allowed within the parameters of marriage, and had to be for the sake of procreation. Masturbating was very frowned upon; biblically it was casting your seed on stoney ground. In my school, we only had a couple of teachers who weren't brothers or priests. I can never forget being coerced to make a confession to a priest. I'd been thought masturbation was wrong, but as a child it was also deeply secret and personal. I felt conflicted. To tell the truth to my confessor or keep it to myself. I kept it to myself, and jettisoned all respect in everything I'd been taught to believe in; Religion could go and fook itself! I gave up on it and never went back. This controlling force by which I held everything sacred could go to hell.