Conspiracy theories...

[Ammi]

..there are many conspiracy theories surrounding things like Rosswell, the assignation of JFK, whether the moon landings were actually faked..is Elvis Presley still alive..etc....do you believe in any conspiracy theories...and which ones..?...

[arista]

No

I deal in Facts

[Niamh.]

I think some of them are interesting, the ones about Kurt Cobains death are amusing but I would never say I believe any of them really not saying some aren't possible but how would I know for sure?

[Stu]

I believe that certain people are half right but that the end goals aren't as sinister of diabolically driven as they are making out.

In a broad sense governments mess up, impose far too much social control and commit heinous acts not because they are driven by evil but because ... well ... they're a bit daft like that, really. A lot of this stuff is still worth pointing out and still worth listening to. You just need to learn to discern.

Someone like David Icke in all honesty has a few interesting things to say on the nature of reality. It's when he gets into dogmatic specifics about his entire overarching world view that things get hilarious. It's well worth sifting through his content though if you have a few hours to spare on an empty weekend.

As usual the truth lies in the middle. Just like hardcore atheists and the dogmatic adherents of the patriarchal religions equally alienate me, so to do the ardent "everything can be answered by a conspiracy theory" bedroom experts and those who want absolutely nothing to do with alternate information because it's for weirdos like me.

[Me. I Am Salman]

They can't all be wrong

[Ammi]

I believe that certain people are half right but that the end goals aren't as sinister of diabolically driven as they are making out.

In a broad sense governments mess up, impose far too much social control and commit heinous acts not because they are driven by evil but because ... well ... they're a bit daft like that, really. A lot of this stuff is still worth pointing out and still worth listening to. You just need to learn to discern.

Someone like David Icke in all honesty has a few interesting things to say on the nature of reality. It's when he gets into dogmatic specifics about his entire overarching world view that things get hilarious. It's well worth sifting through his content though if you have a few hours to spare on an empty weekend.

As usual the truth lies in the middle. Just like hardcore atheists and the dogmatic adherents of the patriarchal religions equally alienate me, so to do the ardent "everything can be answered by a conspiracy theory" bedroom experts and those who want absolutely nothing to do with alternate information because it's for weirdos like me.



..you mean more of a covering up of mistakes which are damaging as opposed to any actual intent to do something..?..

[Stu]

..you mean more of a covering up of mistakes which are damaging as opposed to any actual intent to do something..?..
Or perhaps a bit of both. People in power can be driven by intense greed and can exhibit all the nastier sides of that trifle known as the human ego. I just think it's in large part the fault of human nature and not done with the sort of ultra malicious, satanic intent on enslaving global government some people make out.

I like what Joe Rogan once said when he claimed anyone actually wanting to be the most powerful man in the world probably shouldn't be allowed.

[AnnieK]

I really believed the Paul McCartney is dead conspiracy - the info I read all made so much sense. I am incredibly gullible though :laugh:

[Niamh.]

:laugh: Annie

The ones about governments having cures for colds/flu/cancer etc but hiding them because they'd cripple the drugs industry may have a ring of truth, well makes me think I wouldn't be surprised anyway!

[Ammi]

Or perhaps a bit of both. People in power can be driven by intense greed and can exhibit all the nastier sides of that trifle known as the human ego. I just think it's in large part the fault of human nature and not done with the sort of ultra malicious, satanic intent on enslaving global government some people make out.

I like what Joe Rogan once said when he claimed anyone actually wanting to be the most powerful man in the world probably shouldn't be allowed.

..yeah, I do agree with that, if you lust for power then you're probably the last person it should be given to..and I think in governments, there must be 'human errors' made which if known would be extremely damaging to them..because nothing is without errors but in some walks of life that has more potential effects than others, so there must be lots of things that are 'covered up' and then maybe hears something/is told something..a half fact type thing and that's how it evolves into a 'conspiracy' but a lot of that might be a Chinese whispers things and things added/misunderstood etc....

..I always find these 'the real truth' type stories interesting though because there isn't anything that couldn't be 'slanted' by only relating some information and leaving the balanced side of it out....

[Ammi]

:laugh: Annie

The ones about governments having cures for colds/flu/cancer etc but hiding them because they'd cripple the drugs industry may have a ring of truth, well makes me think I wouldn't be surprised anyway!

..I wonder if that's a conspiracy theory that comes from the fact that some drugs are very reluctantly prescribed because they are very expensive, so maybe a cheaper but possibly less effective alternative could be offered instead...


..I don't know actually, I'm making this up lol...

[GiRTh]

I watched quite a few 911 conspiracy documentaries. Some of them are frankly laughable but some of them will make you think. The link between the Bin Laden family and the Bush family is very peculiar and there are a lot of strange things that happened that day that have not been explained and furthermore no one seems to want to explain them. For instance, the 4744 put stock options on United airlines and American airlines that happened just prior to the disaster, the demolition of Tower 7, the laughable failure of the USA security system.

I think the general consensus is that the official explanation cannot possibly be true. So, who is lying and why?

[GiRTh]

I watched quite a few 911 conspiracy documentaries. Some of them are frankly laughable but some of them will make you think. The link between the Bin Laden family and the Bush family is very peculiar and there are a lot of strange things that happened that day that have not been explained and furthermore no one seems to want to explain them. For instance, the 4744 put stock options on United airlines and American airlines that happened just prior to the disaster, the demolition of Tower 7, the laughable failure of the USA security system.

I think the general consensus is that the official explanation cannot possibly be true. So, who is lying and why?

[Ammi]

I watched quite a few 911 conspiracy documentaries. Some of them are frankly laughable but some of them will make you think. The link between the Bin Laden family and the Bush family is very peculiar and there are a lot of strange things that happened that day that have not been explained and furthermore no one seems to want to explain them. For instance, the 4744 put stock options on United airlines and American airlines that happened just prior to the disaster, the demolition of Tower 7, the laughable failure of the USA security system.

I think the general consensus is that the official explanation cannot possibly be true. So, who is lying and why?

..maybe some explanations can't be given because for some reason it would be a threat to National Security to do so ...

[Niamh.]

I reckon if there's some truth to any of them the governments flood the net with other conspiracies to distract people :suspect:

[Vicky.]

I think its wrong to write off anyone who questions stuff as a conspiracy nut. I really do. Some 'conspiracy theories' in the past have turned out to be anything but theories.

I do believe in a couple..or variations on the 'official' conspiracy anyway

9/11 has always puzzled me. I just dont see how that much could be pulled off without detection, I really dont. I dont believe all the 'bush blew the towers up' stuff, nor that it was missiles. But my opinion is that the American government knew about the attacks and let them happen.

I also believe Diana was murdered, rather than it being an accident :blush2:

[GiRTh]

..maybe some explanations can't be given because for some reason it would be a threat to National Security to do so ...Possibly but to try and cover it up seems even more suspicious.

For instance , someone bought 4744 put stock options on the last day of trading before the disaster on UA and AA stock. They effectively bet the stock was gonna fall. Obviously it did due to the disaster. The NYSE owes someone 2.5 million dollars due to their correct guess that the stock was gonna go down yet no one has ever claimed that money. Some say 4744 is not that high a number but most people agree it is quite high thus it seems someone definitely knew something was gonna happen to United airline and American airlines and its suspicious the fact the trade took place on the last day before the disaster.

The NYSE does not need to disclose who bought the stock but it would be relatively easy for the FBi to find out. Why has no one found out?

Alot of suspicious things happened around the date of September 11 2001.

[Livia]

I believe that GiRTh was the man on the grassy knoll.

You heard it here first...

[GiRTh]

I believe that GiRTh was the man on the grassy knoll.

You heard it here first...I'm just a Patsy. :pipe:

[Livia]

I'm just a Patsy. :pipe:

Frankly, that emoticon just compounds your guilt. I hope you can live with yourself...

[Ammi]

Possibly but to try and cover it up seems even more suspicious.

For instance , someone bought 4744 put stock options on the last day of trading before the disaster on UA and AA stock. They effectively bet the stock was gonna fall. Obviously it did due to the disaster. The NYSE owes someone 2.5 million dollars due to their correct guess that the stock was gonna go down yet no one has ever claimed that money. Some say 4744 is not that high a number but most people agree it is quite high thus it seems someone definitely knew something was gonna happen to United airline and American airlines and its suspicious the fact the trade took place on the last day before the disaster.

The NYSE does not need to disclose who bought the stock but it would be relatively easy for the FBi to find out. Why has no one found out?

Alot of suspicious things happened around the date of September 11 2001.

..I hadn't heard anything about the stock but if that person did know something, then surely that was quite a stupid thing to do because it would be too obvious and raise questions/suspicions and as you said, the FBI would be able to discover who they were, so what would be the point.. they would know that they couldn't reveal themselves by claiming the money either...I don't have an explanation of why it wasn't claimed but just the fact that it happened at all, seems to me that it was some kind of bizarre random thing....

[GiRTh]

Frankly, that emoticon just compounds your guilt. I hope you can live with yourself...LOL

I watch them cuz the image of the planes hitting the tower fascinates me. I literally go ‘WOW’ every time I see the plane go into the tower and the ensuing fire ball. I’m just a kid at heart.

[GiRTh]

..I hadn't heard anything about the stock but if that person did know something, then surely that was quite a stupid thing to do because it would be too obvious and raise questions/suspicions and as you said, the FBI would be able to discover who they were, so what would be the point.. they would know that they couldn't reveal themselves by claiming the money either...I don't have an explanation of why it wasn't claimed but just the fact that it happened at all, seems to me that it was some kind of bizarre random thing....
Possible, but still suspicious that the transaction took place the last day of trading.

Also, but I'm not sure of the detail and will have to look them up, the plane that hit the pentagon performed an incredible maneuver just before it hit. Many experienced pilots say they could not have performed that maneuver but its generally agreed the pilot was an inexperienced pilot.

All strange.

[Niamh.]

I think its wrong to write off anyone who questions stuff as a conspiracy nut. I really do. Some 'conspiracy theories' in the past have turned out to be anything but theories.

I do believe in a couple..or variations on the 'official' conspiracy anyway

9/11 has always puzzled me. I just dont see how that much could be pulled off without detection, I really dont. I dont believe all the 'bush blew the towers up' stuff, nor that it was missiles. But my opinion is that the American government knew about the attacks and let them happen.

I also believe Diana was murdered, rather than it being an accident :blush2:

Why would they do that though?

[Livia]

LOL

I watch them cuz the image of the planes hitting the tower fascinates me. I literally go ‘WOW’ every time I see the plane go into the tower and the ensuing fire ball. I’m just a kid at heart.

Aww that's a lovely story, G. What kid wouldn't want to watch hundreds of people crash and burn?

[GiRTh]

Aww that's a lovely story, G. What kid wouldn't want to watch hundreds of people crash and burn?Its very morbid of me but I sit there open mouthed every time i see the crash,

[Niamh.]

Its very morbid of me but I sit there open mouthed every time i see the crash,

tbf it was something completely bizarre, straight out of the movies type of a thing. I actually thought it was some sort of a joke when I heard about it first on the radio

[GiRTh]

Why would they do that though?Now you’re moving into the more crazy theories. Take this with a pinch of salt, but apparently, the Us government wanted to invade all the ‘stan’ countries that used to be part of the old Soviet Union. To make sure China and Russia didn’t have any kind of stronghold over the huge oil reserves in that region and The USA could cement its place as the only super power in the world.#

Its all starting to get a bit paranoid but that’s the theory behind why they let the attack take place. The theory is they let one terrorist attack take place so they can get funding to stop all the others and fulfill their agenda in the middle east. And, they have indeed invaded that region. LOL

[Niamh.]

Now you’re moving into the more crazy theories. Take this with a pinch of salt, but apparently, the Us government wanted to invade all the ‘stan’ countries that used to be part of the old Soviet Union. To make sure China and Russia didn’t have any kind of stronghold over the huge oil reserves in that region and The USA could cement its place as the only super power in the world.#

Its all starting to get a bit paranoid but that’s the theory behind why they let the attack take place. The theory is they let one terrorist attack take place so they can fulfill their agenda in the middle east. And, they have indeed invaded that region. LOL

mmmmm, I don't know if I'd even want to know if that were true tbh, that's just the most despicable and disheartening thing I've ever heard :/

[GiRTh]

mmmmm, I don't know if I'd even want to know if that were true tbh, that's just the most despicable and disheartening thing I've ever heard :/Fascinating and quite frightening isn’t it? Its all bit X-Files.

Theres something else I want to post but I need to do bit of research first. Theres a book written in 1997 by Zbig Bezinski – who worked for Carter, Reagan and Bush Snr – where he outlines a strategy which if you read it is more or less exactly what the US has done. Its quite chilling to read cuz its like a playbook that has been followed step by step and it includes a section where he outlines a plan to let one act of terror succeed so they can have an excuse to invade the ‘stan’ region.

[Niamh.]

Fascinating and quite frightening isn’t it? Its all bit X-Files.

Theres something else I want to post but I need to do bit of research first. Theres a book written in 1997 by Zbig Bezinski – who worked for Carter, Reagan and Bush Snr – where he outlines a strategy which if you read it is more or less exactly what the US has done. Its quite chilling to read cuz its like a playbook that has been followed step by step and it includes a section where he outlines a plan to let one act of terror succeed so they can have an excuse to invade the ‘stan’ region.

Oh wow, imagine if that were true, it would be horrifying, i guess there's never going to be a way to prove it though even it was. Would that mean though they would have had to get the airports in on it, to become more lax or whatever?

[Ammi]

..but if that were true, would there not be so many people involved that they would now be 'silencing' them all, or would have already because they could never keep something of that scale a secret surely and they would have known that from the start and 'accounted' for it...

[Jesus.]

I believe that certain people are half right but that the end goals aren't as sinister of diabolically driven as they are making out.

In a broad sense governments mess up, impose far too much social control and commit heinous acts not because they are driven by evil but because ... well ... they're a bit daft like that, really. A lot of this stuff is still worth pointing out and still worth listening to. You just need to learn to discern.

Someone like David Icke in all honesty has a few interesting things to say on the nature of reality. It's when he gets into dogmatic specifics about his entire overarching world view that things get hilarious. It's well worth sifting through his content though if you have a few hours to spare on an empty weekend.

As usual the truth lies in the middle. Just like hardcore atheists and the dogmatic adherents of the patriarchal religions equally alienate me, so to do the ardent "everything can be answered by a conspiracy theory" bedroom experts and those who want absolutely nothing to do with alternate information because it's for weirdos like me.


The truth rarely lies in the middle. More often than not, one side is simply wrong. Hardcore atheist as a weird term to use. Not believing in a god is a position based on what we know - if that changes tomorrow then so would my opinion. It's a common misrepresentation, and is why people get to throw around "atheism is just another religion". It isn't - it just means absence of belief, and it makes no more of a grand claim than that.

[GiRTh]

Oh wow, imagine if that were true, it would be horrifying, i guess there's never going to be a way to prove it though even it was. Would that mean though they would have had to get the airports in on it, to become more lax or whatever?
I think its all very interesting theory but nothing more. Its to complex a plan to be implemented IMO but its fascinating to read.

On 9/11 there was a massive security failure due to VP Dick Cheney having planned a number of military exercises on the very same day the attacks took place. So a lot of military personnel were not available cuz they are already taking part in the exercises planned by Cheney. Startling that there was such a coincidence isnt it? Like I say, a lot of strange things happened on that day. LOL

[Niamh.]

I think its all very interesting theory but nothing more. Its to complex a plan to be implemented IMO but its fascinating to read.

On 9/11 there was a massive security failure due to VP Dick Cheney having planned a number of military exercises on the very same day the attacks took place. So a lot of military personnel were not available cuz they are already taking part in the exercises planned by Cheney. Startling that there was such a coincidence isnt it? Like I say, a lot of strange things happened on that day. LOL

Oh yeah, I saw that on some documentary they showed on the anniversary actually

[GiRTh]

Oh yeah, I saw that on some documentary they showed on the anniversary actuallyAye that is pretty much common knowledge

[Stu]

The truth rarely lies in the middle. More often than not, one side is simply wrong. Hardcore atheist as a weird term to use. Not believing in a god is a position based on what we know - if that changes tomorrow then so would my opinion. It's a common misrepresentation, and is why people get to throw around "atheism is just another religion". It isn't - it just means absence of belief, and it makes no more of a grand claim than that.
I used to term 'hardcore' to denote those who have absolute, fixed views based on like you say the absence of belief. The etymology of these words has been dipped in a murky film of misunderstanding since they've begun to be debated in open arenas across forums and YouTube comment sections so I wasn't making reference to some Church Of Atheism more highlighting the strength and conviction of some peoples lack of beliefs [and I'm sure many would argue they require neither strength nor conviction].

My position on spirituality is based on what I feel, not on what I know. It's a much more mushy, arbitrary system that I'm totally open to having other not understand but there you go. When it comes to my whack ass views on these thing I feel equally alienated by atheist mindset and organized religion. I feel I'd rather the atheists have the power just to be on the safe side, but that the more open ended of the religious people are probably on to something greater.



I
Have
Learned
So much from God
That I can no longer
Call
Myself

A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim,
a Buddhist, a Jew.

The Truth has shared so much of Itself
With me

That I can no longer call myself
A man, a woman, an angel,
Or even a pure
Soul.

Love has
Befriended Hafiz so completely
It has turned to ash
And freed
Me

Of every concept and image
my mind has ever known

-Hafiz

Anyway ... spiritual waffle from yours truly. Didn't mean to derail the thread.

[Jesus.]

I used to term 'hardcore' to denote those who have absolute, fixed views based on like you say the absence of belief. The etymology of these words has been dipped in a murky film of misunderstanding since they've begun to be debated in open arenas across forums and YouTube comment sections so I wasn't making reference to some Church Of Atheism more highlighting the strength and conviction of some peoples lack of beliefs [and I'm sure many would argue they require neither strength nor conviction].

My position on spirituality is based on what I feel, not on what I know. It's a much more mushy, arbitrary system that I'm totally open to having other not understand but there you go. When it comes to my whack ass views on these thing I feel equally alienated by atheist mindset and organized religion. I feel I'd rather the atheists have the power just to be on the safe side, but that the more open ended of the religious people are probably on to something greater.



I
Have
Learned
So much from God
That I can no longer
Call
Myself

A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim,
a Buddhist, a Jew.

The Truth has shared so much of Itself
With me

That I can no longer call myself
A man, a woman, an angel,
Or even a pure
Soul.

Love has
Befriended Hafiz so completely
It has turned to ash
And freed
Me

Of every concept and image
my mind has ever known

-Hafiz

Anyway ... spiritual waffle from yours truly. Didn't mean to derail the thread.

No worries. As always, I like reading what you have to say regardless of whether I agree or not, and you're quite right about how an atheist would view your spirituality - it makes absolutely no sense to me, and I don't really know how I could twist it to make sense. It's personal to you, and I have absolutely no issue with that.

When beliefs (whatever they are) cross over into society and expect privilege is where my issue comes in, and that's where people should be able to prove what they say, rather than leave it relying on special pleading.

[GiRTh]

The name of the book I was referring to in an earlier post is the Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

Read the reviews of this and see how many times the the words ‘chilling’ or ‘spine chilling’ are used. At best it’s a scarily accurate prediction of the last 15 years and at its worst it’s a playbook being followed step by step.

[smeagol]

elvis is dead thats just silly people refusing to believe he died

we never landed on the moon it was a ploy cause of he russians

yes there were for sure 2 gunmen on the grassy gnowl and that is the biggest cover up. its been proved of sorts

did the queen bump of princess di. i wouldn't be surprised

[Verbal]

JFK's secret killer: The Evidence on Ch 5 at 9pm

[GiRTh]

l47D5ISemds
:worship:

[Livia]

Wow... that's rather thought-provoking...

[GiRTh]

There a lot of questions that no one wants to answer.

[Livia]

I saw a DVD about it once... they had an explosives expert explaining how the towers couldn't have collapsed without secondary explosions, and film of little charges popping out all the way down the building. Can't remember what it was called... I've probably still got it around here somewhere... Anyhoo, you're right, there are a few questions to answer.

[GiRTh]

That clip covers most of the theories including that one. The big mystery is how the third tower came down when it wasnt even hit. LOL Very strange.

[Livia]

The Pentagon hit was really weird too... SO many questions.

[GiRTh]

Theres a wild conspiracy over that one that goes; the plane was intercepted, flown to Ohio where crew and passengers all left, then it was replaced by a missile and its the missile that flew into the Pentagon. Thats why there is no security footage of the crash that actually shows a plane and hence why the hole made in the Pentagon was so small. The crew and passengers were given false ID and are now living in the witness protection programme.

Thats one of my faves. :joker:

[Livia]

All we need is George W Bush and a few ccs of sodium pentothal.

[GiRTh]

All we need is George W Bush and a few ccs of sodium pentothal.:joker:

[Nemo123]

I may be amnesiac and a bit of a drunk, but I'm sure I commented on this. Have I been wiped?
A chap called Malcolm "Mac" Wallace fired the shots from the book depository in Dallas Texas, almost 50 years ago to the day. He was the same guy who killed Lyndon Baines' Johnson's sister's boyfriend years earlier. And most probably LBJ's sister. He was convicted of the former charge and was facing the death penalty, yet he got away with a 5 year sentence, suspended I think.

LBJ has a murder count of 8 to his name, allegedly.

There was one fingerprint taken from the surrounds of the depository window in Dallas, the one where Oswald was suppose to have shot Kennedy from. It could not be matched, then. Years later a fingerprint expert made a 14 point match with Malcolm Wallace. A 12 point match is regarded as conclusive. Wallace had a history with President Johnson. Johnson came out of a meeting with Dallas oilmen on the eve of Kennedy's death, boasting that "SOB" would not trouble him again.

Kennedy was hated by so many powerful people. Apart from Johnson, Allen Dulles, the head of the CIA had reason to kill him. Kennedy was going to disband the CIA. The CIA were actively trying to assassinate Castro. They had a full time team working on it, and George HW Bush was the top man, President George Bush, the senior. There were many and divers reasons why certain people hated Kennedy. The Mob hated Kennedy, because he took them on. J Edgar Hoover hated the Kennedys, because they were usurping his authority.

He had too many enemies, and too few friends. Ultimately, LBJ ordered his killing, and all the forces of Law and "so-called" order fell into line. As Oliver Stone said in his film, "JFK", Kennedy was the victim of a coup d'etat, where a lot of forces, some more active, and some more compliant, conspired to kill the President Of The United States, and got away with it.

[Nemo123]

Kennedy was on the point of doing a number of unpopular things. He was going to reduce a subsidy to the oilmen, Johnson's people, which would have cost them billions, he was going to disband the CIA, and he was going to pull the US out of Vietnam.

All these plans he was going to execute imminently were stopped and reversed by Lyndon Baines Johnson, by having him killed.

[GiRTh]

I love a good conspiracy theory.

So you think Kennedy death was planned by LB?. Do you think a VP can have enough power to pull off something like this ?

[Nemo123]

Did you know that people wept when he was killed. Just like Diana. Do you know the respect the office of the President use to hold? Killing the President was akin to killing the Pope. Nowadays I doubt people would care too much if either were killed.

[Nemo123]

I love a good conspiracy theory.

So you think Kennedy death was planned by LB?. Do you think a VP can have enough power to pull off something like this ?

Oh, absolutely. You see LBJ despised Kennedy and Kennedy knew it, yet he reasoned, I believe, he'd help him reach out to the deep south, and take the edge off his own progressive anti-racist agenda.

[Nemo123]

I have long been fascinated by Kennedy's murder. I've gone from being sure to unsure and back again. A BBC newsreader named Gavin Esler convinced me about 10 years ago, that Oswald was the lone killer. Gavin Esler carries the weight of the BBC, full on his shoulders, so if he says Oswald did it, you believe it.
Gavin Esler is wrong. I'm not sure what his motives are or where, perhaps it helped his career. For a start, The US House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded JFK's death was a conspiracy, in 1978.

So let there be no doubt, a House Select Committee concluded Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone.

That was as far as the evidence permitted them to maintain the lie.
They said there was a fourth bullet, from the "Grassy Knoll".
IT WAS A CONSPIRACY. So says a United States House Select Committee in 1978.

Let me be clear, A UNITED STATES HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE SAID IN 1978, that JFK's murder was as a result of a conspiracy.

[Nemo123]

I gotta ram home this point,

A body appointed by the Senate to reinvestigate the Kennedy assassination, said it was a conspiracy, and there was a fourth or even a fifth bullet.

[Nemo123]

I want to remind all those people who poo-poo the conspiracy theory, A Senate House Committe on assassinations, concluded JFK's killing was a conspiracy, in 1978. It's not even contraversial.

[Nemo123]

I love a good conspiracy theory.

So you think Kennedy death was planned by LB?. Do you think a VP can have enough power to pull off something like this ?


Well you see Girth, when a vice President kills the President, he becomes the President, and the most powerful person in the world.

[Jesus.]

Well you see Girth, when a vice President kills the President, he becomes the President, and the most powerful person in the world.

Except that didn't happen. LHO shot the president, and if you actually knew the details of his life, you'd find it nearly impossible to look beyond that evidence.

[Nemo123]

Except that didn't happen. LHO shot the president, and if you actually knew the details of his life, you'd find it nearly impossible to look beyond that evidence.

Jesus, you and I know we'll not sort this out here.
But i'll put a few points to you.
LBJ was on the verge of a serious indictment, and was facing a long prison sentence for corruption. The one fingerprint which was not accounted for in the book depository window, belonged to a hitman who worked for LBJ. Had LBJ not killed Kennedy he'd have been indicted for corruption and probably been sentenced to a long prison sentence. People have written tomes about this. What You do and what I've done is try to acquaint myself with the facts by reading and watching as much material as i can about it.

I'll summarize it. LBJ was going to jail. The CIA was going to be disbanded. The CIA were working to overthrow Castro. The oil industry were going to lose huge subsidies under Kennedy. The Mafia were betrayed by the Kennedys. They bought votes for him to win the '60 election, and Robert Kennedy repaid hem by hounding them. J Edgar Hoover openly feuded with the Kennedys. There's more, much more than I could write in a forthnight.

What it all adds up to is a conspiracy to kill JFK. The clincher for me is the finger print of Malcolm Mac Wallace, identified years later, as the only finger print in the window of the Book Depository. This guy killed and was convicted for killing LBJ's sister's boyfriend. He should have been executed, yet he got off with a 5 year sentence. Mac Wallace was a hired killer, and LBJ used him more than once.

[Nemo123]

Need I remind anyone of the presumption of innocence? Lee Harvey Oswald was never tried for killing anyone.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

The Lee Rigby conspiracy.

I don't know it's just weird how some people were casually passing by as the act was supposedly going on or even in the video where the killers are talking on the video.People are just casually passing by the murderers. looking at something on the road for sure, but seemingly not worried about their lives. There was a whole blog about it being fake.


I believe most conspiracies to be fair.:joker:

How about one of the teachers that was supposed to have died at Sandy hook shooting was seen at the Boston bombing.

And a child that was supposed to have died at sandy hook was seen on Obama's lap days later.

And yes the towers exploded because of a bomb not the plane. :cloud:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Oh, absolutely. You see LBJ despised Kennedy and Kennedy knew it, yet he reasoned, I believe, he'd help him reach out to the deep south, and take the edge off his own progressive anti-racist agenda.

Who the hell is LBJ?:joker:

I never believed that that Oswald fella killed Kennedy. It's too convenient. Especially with the way a random killed him quickly after. I always believed it was to shut him up so the truth wouldn't come out.

The theme seems to be whenever a certain person appears to be a constant nuissance to Authorities they pin the blame on them to justify arresting them or such. Oswald apparently was a strong supporter of Castro which wasn't going down well, those boston bombers, and these Lee rigby extremists.

[fingers]

Interesting background info on Mac Wallace and LBJ (and the strange death of LBJ's sister)

> http://www.viewzone.com/lbj/

[Livia]

I'm pretty sure Lee Rigby's widow doesn't think it never happened.

[fingers]

I'm pretty sure Lee Rigby's widow doesn't think it never happened.
That's why the Rigby family are attending the trial of the 2 (alleged, since they haven't been convicted -YET) murderers.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm pretty sure Lee Rigby's widow doesn't think it never happened.

Well there's always actors involved in these apparently. Like many of the sometimes "Polished" families we see releasing statements to ask for privacy or such are actors.

Like for one of the parents of one of the kids that died in Sandy hook. Seconds before they were due to go on air, they were laughing, then when it was lights. Sad face, tears...

Not saying the Lee Rigby story is completely fake but if the government want ti make something happen they do it, and they let us read what they want us to read.

[fingers]

Well you see Girth, when a vice President kills the President, he becomes the President, and the most powerful person in the world.

He can also, 4 years later, prevent the truth about a deadly attack on an American Naval Vessel from damaging relations between countries and possible annoyance to lobbyists in his own country. It was only 34 sailors who died!

> http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Need I remind anyone of the presumption of innocence? Lee Harvey Oswald was never tried for killing anyone.

Yeah he was killed by some random before he could make a case for himself. :joker:

[King Gizzard]

I reckon George Osbourne is secretly a cold blooded bastard lizard who's sole purpose in life is to cause misery for whoever he lays his eyes on

[GiRTh]

Well there's always actors involved in these apparently. Like many of the sometimes "Polished" families we see releasing statements to ask for privacy or such are actors.

Like for one of the parents of one of the kids that died in Sandy hook. Seconds before they were due to go on air, they were laughing, then when it was lights. Sad face, tears...

Not saying the Lee Rigby story is completely fake but if the government want ti make something happen they do it, and they let us read what they want us to read.
wEfn065PkCQ

Do you mean this?

I was not aware of this but now have to admit that was strange behaviour for someone who's just lost a 6 year old.

I love a good conspiracy theory.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

wEfn065PkCQ

Do you mean this?

I was not aware of this but now have to admit that was strange behaviour for someone who's just lost a 6 year old.

I love a good conspiracy theory.

That's the one. It's from a good 30-45 mins documentary.

There was a bit about the squad practicing for the very same type of rescue a month or so earlier like they knew it would happen and other bunch of things that make you think, hold on a mins.

[GiRTh]

I think I'll take a look that :thumbs:

[fingers]

He can also, 4 years later, prevent the truth about a deadly attack on an American Naval Vessel from damaging relations between countries and possible annoyance to lobbyists in his own country. It was only 34 sailors who died!

> http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

For some reason the video in the above link is truncated, this is the complete video, make up your own minds who is telling the truth

> Lc7sOb7IsPY

[Nemo123]

The men who killed Kennedy were professionals. They were given a job to do an they did it. Malcolm Mac Wallace had an especial job to do. A job that needed more than a simple explanation. He had to frame Lee Harvey Oswald. It was a complex job. The other killers had only to hit their target. Wallace had to frame Oswald. Wallace was a hired hitman who worked for Lyndon Baines Johnson.

[Vicky.]

I reckon George Osbourne is secretly a cold blooded bastard lizard who's sole purpose in life is to cause misery for whoever he lays his eyes on

Thats at the very least 50% correct.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

another conspiracy about the lee rigby is that the killers hand was bloody as hell (people say fake blood) but his jumper was clean as hell.

[Nemo123]

When I need some real escapism, I look at WW2 documentaries on Youtube. They lull me to sleep. It is ironic that listening to horrific war tales, narrated by a soothing voice, the best of which is sir Lawrence Olivier, who narrated "The World At War" series, lulls me to sleep like a lullaby. Indeed WW2 stories are like perfect lullabies to me. Almost everything about WW2 is like total escapism to me. Lately, or laterly, JFK onspiracies give me the same sense of escapism. They put me to sleep, not because they are boring, but because they are soothing. I believe it is because they are telling me the truth.
I've been fascinated with the murder of JFK for years. I've believe both sides of the story at one time or another. Recently, last May, I buried myself in the JFK assassination, to escape an uncomfortable incident in my own life.
I retreated into my bedroom, and to take my mind off things, I watched every thing I could find on the death of JFK. By the end of my time in my bedroom I thought I had learned everything about the JFK assassination. I did and I didn't. I knew JFK had been killed by Lyndon Baines Johnson, but I didn't have a complete explanation.
Later, and as recently as this week, I found as full and comprehensive account of JFK's death from two authors, Jerry Kroth, and Roger Stone. Jerry Kroth wrote a concise summary of the assassination in his latest book," Coup d'etat:The Assassination of President JFK", and Roger Stone's, "The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ".
What I like about Kroth's book is he narrows down the murder to a handful of individuals. He doesn't accuse anyone he's not sure of, and he is very careful and conservative. Stone's book goes far wider. I haven't read Stone's book but I will do. I think it is all more encompassing, whereas Kroth's book is narrow, but more pointed. Kroth's book shows a lean delineage between LBJ, the CIA and the mafia. It's plenty enough without delving any further.
When I last took an interest in this subject, all of 10 or 15 years ago, so much of what is known now was not known then. But interest seems to have wained just as evidence has waxed.
You can Youtube Jerry Kroth and Roger Stone and decide for yourself.

[Nemo123]

When I need some real escapism, I look at WW2 documentaries on Youtube. They lull me to sleep. It is ironic that listening to horrific war tales, narrated by a soothing voice, the best of which is sir Lawrence Olivier, who narrated "The World At War" series, lulls me to sleep like a lullaby. Indeed WW2 stories are like perfect lullabies to me. Almost everything about WW2 is like total escapism to me. Lately, or laterly, JFK onspiracies give me the same sense of escapism. They put me to sleep, not because they are boring, but because they are soothing. I believe it is because they are telling me the truth.
I've been fascinated with the murder of JFK for years. I've believe both sides of the story at one time or another. Recently, last May, I buried myself in the JFK assassination, to escape an uncomfortable incident in my own life.
I retreated into my bedroom, and to take my mind off things, I watched every thing I could find on the death of JFK. By the end of my time in my bedroom I thought I had learned everything about the JFK assassination. I did and I didn't. I knew JFK had been killed by Lyndon Baines Johnson, but I didn't have a complete explanation.
Later, and as recently as this week, I found as full and comprehensive account of JFK's death from two authors, Jerry Kroth, and Roger Stone. Jerry Kroth wrote a concise summary of the assassination in his latest book," Coup d'etat:The Assassination of President JFK", and Roger Stone's, "The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ".
What I like about Kroth's book is he narrows down the murder to a handful of individuals. He doesn't accuse anyone he's not sure of, and he is very careful and conservative. Stone's book goes far wider. I haven't read Stone's book but I will do. I think it is all more encompassing, whereas Kroth's book is narrow, but more pointed. Kroth's book shows a lean delineage between LBJ, the CIA and the mafia. It's plenty enough without delving any further.
When I last took an interest in this subject, all of 10 or 15 years ago, so much of what is known now was not known then. But interest seems to have wained just as evidence has waxed.
You can Youtube Jerry Kroth and Roger Stone and decide for yourself.

[joeysteele]

I reckon George Osbourne is secretly a cold blooded bastard lizard who's sole purpose in life is to cause misery for whoever he lays his eyes on

I can agree as to that,he is.
Especially in a very cowardly, bullying way that he mainly picks on the weakest and poorest he knows about.

[Nemo123]

The reason LBJ has never been outed officially by the US Govt. is because the office of the President of The United States of America is held in the highest esteem by the people of America, and by extension, the "Free World". To have a murderer president, which is what LBJ was, degraded that office, and undermined the whole American way of life. So, LBJ got away with it.

[Nemo123]

Watch this jerry Kroth presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65N3eP2yvbQ

[Liberty4eva]

Oswald was framed and this is probably the most infamous example in history of a person being framed.

[GypsyGoth]

I think Oswald being killed by Jack Ruby proves it was a conspiracy.

[Nemo123]

I agree with the 2 previous posters, but please spend an hour an 12 minutes reading the Jerry Kroth link to youtube i provided above.

[Nemo123]

There is something sinister the 9/11 incident and the JFK share. The 9/11 conspirators were large and loud about flying lessons and the whole deal, and an individual or individuals purporting to be LHO made a great brouhaha about their intentions in advance of their crimes. They were both laying a false trail.

[Nemo123]

You need to watch more on Youtube. Stuff I've watched, like how an oil magnate called Mekeson owned LBJ. How the oil men had reason to kill Kennedy because he threatened to diminish a cash cow for them known as the Oil depletion Allowance. How one of Merkeson's underbosses owned the Texas School Book depository, and founded the Civil Defence Authority, to which David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald belonged. The Warren Commission stated Oswald was a pro Castro communist gunman, yet he was the polar opposite.
LBJ smothered any investigation of the JFK killing because he convinced many of the investigators that if the truth were known that a pro Castro communist killed Kennedy, the third world war would ensue. So many of the underlings charged with the investigation willfully destroyed evidence and colluded in a cover up conned into believing they were doing it for the greater good.

[Nemo123]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-hAqNRY-Uk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FVsS2sDkpE

[swinearefine]

I ignore them because my family are a pack of lunatics and believe every conspiracy theory they hear and I'm sick to death of hearing about it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I know nobody here care about the lee rigby conspiracies but damn every time I see the clip of the murderer talking it's so bloody weird how the 2 women just pass by them so casually, not fearing for their own life even though they clearly see them carrying the knives. There was plenty of space for them to walk but they walk past the murderers like nothing major is going on. And the consistency of the blood in his hand is weird plus how is his jumper so stainless. Strange things r gwan. :(

[Ninastar]

George Bush and Hitler drove the planes into the twin towers!!

[GypsyGoth]

I know nobody here care about the lee rigby conspiracies but damn every time I see the clip of the murderer talking it's so bloody weird how the 2 women just pass by them so casually, not fearing for their own life even though they clearly see them carrying the knives. There was plenty of space for them to walk but they walk past the murderers like nothing major is going on. And the consistency of the blood in his hand is weird plus how is his jumper so stainless. Strange things r gwan. :(

I think people were in disbelief at it, I'm sure if people passed close by the crazies, they prob thought that it must be some kinda performance art. And as to the blood on his hands, from what I know of it, they tried to decapitate him after he was killed, so that is how his hands got bloody.

George Bush and Hitler drove the planes into the twin towers!!

:laugh2:

[michael21]

the moon is triangle

[Nemo123]

Youtube is a great resource for JFK. Last night I was lead to read a book by Edward Haslam called, Dr Mary's Monkey. Basically it tells the story of 200 million anti polio virus that were infected with cancer that were given to the children of America in the early 60's. It overlaps with another book called "Me and Lee...." by Judyth Vary Baker. She was a gifted child who set out to find a cure for cancer after her grandmother's death. She was a child protegé, who managed to develop a virulent form of cancer that would kill more quickly than any known virus. It's a fascinating story. Basically she showed her research to some of the foremost cancer authorities, and they recruited her to work for them. Instead of looking for a cure for cancer, she was encouraged to work on developing the most deadly and virulent form of cancer known to man. She succeeded, and she knew what she was working on was meant to be used to kill Castro. This is when she met Oswald who was assigned to mind this 19 year old in the big city of New Orleans. They were both given cover jobs in the Reily coffee company on the same day, and both were fired on the same day, because she was in his company when an anti Castro individual, Carlos Bringeur, attacked Oswald in a very public scene set up for the media where Oswald was handing out pro Castro leaflets. She, Judyth Vary Baker had an affair with Oswald. She witnessed his meetings with people like Jak Ruby, Guy Bannister, and David Ferri. She knew whose side he was on. Her vaccine killed Jack Ruby, who died 28 days after contracting cancer, while he was in prison waiting to testify. This was the nature of the caner she had developed. It could kill from the moment of infection in 28 days.
I can't do jstice in this little post, but I recommend anyone interested in JFK murder and cover up to read her book, and that of Edward Haslam. The prime object of these books is to demonstrate LHO's innocence, but they provide plenty of proof as to why iit wasn't him, in any way at all. Indeed, Oswald was probably a spy who infiltrated the anti Castro movement on behalf of Bobby Kennedy, and his job was to warn and avert attacks on Kennedy.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Me-Lee-Came-Harvey-Oswald/dp/1936296373/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1386636701&sr=1-1&keywords=me+and+lee

Judyth Vary Baker is an incredibly intelligent woman, a genuis even.

Watch her own words on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qf9CD_9Wt4

And you can look up Edward Haslams book, "Dr Mary's Monkey", in which lies a much greater sandal, that possibly the Aids virus came out of the same research, where the monkey version of HIV, SIV, (Simeon Immuno Virus) virus may well have developed into HIV.

It's a huge huge topic, but when you listen to people like Judyth Baker, you can believe it's all to possible, and Edward Haslam's book which showed 200,000,000 doses of the anti polio virus was infected with a cancer causing virus.

[michael21]

when you shout make some noise people down under say no

[fingers]

Simian immunodeficiency virus

[Nemo123]

Simian immunodeficiency virus

Correct.

[Nemo123]

You see the anti polio virus was grown on monkeys, and it contained unbeknownest to the scientists a cancer causing virus. It was only after the first hundred million doses had been given that the cancer causing virus was discovered. Yet they went ahead administering the other 100 million polio doses to the rest of the children.

[the truth]

George Bush and Hitler drove the planes into the twin towers!!

cheers attention seeker:sleep:

[Nemo123]

Jack Ruby knew in prison he was dosed with the virulent cancer. He knew enough to understand how i was administered. He was diagnosed with a chest infection in prison. He was given a huge dose of xrays, and then injected with the virus. He knew he wasn't getting an antibiotic injection, because the needle needed to administer the cancer required a needle with a huge bore to allow the virus enter his bloodsream, and he was injected with such a huge needle with enormous pain.

[Nemo123]

The massive Xray dosage Ruby got was necessary to suppress his immune system and make the lethal dosage effective.

[Nemo123]

Jack Ruby died from cancer 29 days after firs being diagnose with cancer.

[Nemo123]

Jack Ruby incriminated LBJ in what turned out o be his last interview before a camera, before he died. He pointed the finger fair and square at LBJ. An investigative journalist, ad famous gossip columnist, Dorothea Killgallon, had the last known interview with Ruby before he died. She sad she was going to blow he whole case open. She was murdered.

[Marsh.]

I believe some of the Princess Diana theories.

That's right Camilla, I'm on to you.

[Nemo123]

Before the Senate House Committe got gong into the House select committe in1978, witness after witness died from suicides and accidents. Jerry Kroth did a diagram which chronicled these death against the general population, and he discovered the rate of murders of these people was 10x the national average, and those ho did from natural causes one fifth of the statistical norm.

[Nemo123]

Last night I listened to an interview between Johnny Carson, and Jim Garrison, on the Tonight Show in 1969. He ridiculed Garrison shamelessly, and had his audience laugh at Jim Garrison. I's on Youtube and it's a shameful reflection of Johhny Carson. This interview was only one month before the trial of Clay Shaw, the only man ever brought to trial by Garrison. The corporate media did a number on him. If Johhny carson, the blue-eyed boy of television could treat this earnest and honest man so shoddily, then you can't but conclude he was doing his master's bidding, whomever they are.

[Nemo123]

George Walker Bush was part of a CIA group. He set up a company called Zapata oil, which operated from a small island just north of Cuba. They were CIA and they were amassing a force to overthrow Castro. These were an army of subversives, both CIA and Mafia, and in some cases both. The theory goes they turned their band of murders on Kennedy. Why? Because he wanted to make peace with Cuba. The evidence is in his speeches. He waned to wind down the arms race. He waned to make an accommodation with his his enemies. He was a dove. He made big speeches about it, accommodation, disarmament, peace. He flew in the face of the hawks under his administration. Kennedy was from a wealthy family, he didn't need to bend his will to the forces he was boss of. He took on a lot of vested interested interested. he took on Big Oil in Texas, promising to cut their subsidies. Big Oil, names like Merkeson reeled at the prospect. Merkeson owned Texas, the police force and the whole shooting match. The CIA was being defanged by him, having its leader Dulles sacked, the same Dulles who sat on the Waren Commission. Bobby Kennedy went all out afer the 1960 election to destroy the mafia, despite Sam Giancanna helping his carry the Chigago vote. They fel betrayed, but not so much by Kennedy but by his brother, Robert, the Attorney General of the US. The mob wanted to kill Robert Kennedy, but the reckoned, correctly, killing him was just cutting the tail off the dog, and the head, JFK, would come back to bite him. So they targeted JFK instead.

You had the Bushes in the backgroung. George W Bush's father, Prescott, was a nazi banker during the war, yet he came out relatively unscathed. He patronised Richard Nixon, he owned him. George W bush denied ever being a member of the CIA, yet he was appointed head of that organisation in 1974. Nixon was Prescott Bush's man. The Bushes have had their hands on the reign of power form long before that day to now. They have suppressed the truth of JFK's assassination to this day. They've owned the Whiehouse for most of the last 40 years, and they haven't gone away.

[Nemo123]

Last night, I watched a John Kerry interview from a month or two ago. He chose for whatever reason to speak out about the JFK assassination. He agreed, partially, with the findings of the House Committee on assassinations who judged 35 years ago it was a conspiracy. Then he muddied the water. He said it was a communist conspiracy. He blamed the Russians. He opined Oswald had Russian help. When I considered it after a few hours, I wondered if a democratic Presidential candidate, who stood against GW Bush in 2004, could be either so stupid or so dishonest to say such a thing. To think he's the foreign minister now, or whatever the Americans call that office, is scary.
The JFK murder may have happened 50 years ago but the lies are as fresh as ever.

[Ninastar]

cheers attention seeker:sleep:

hahaha oh dear

pot kettle black.

[Nemo123]

For people who have watched RT, Russian Television, I came across Thom Hartmann, 20 years ago, on a Youtube video.
He outlined a project called "Operation Freedom", which followed on from the Bay Of Pigs. It was a covert operation to overthrow Castro. It was Bobby Kennedy's brainchild. It had to be ultra secret, and it had to be ultra deniable by the Administration, because it would draw the USA and Russia into conflict. So a secret CIA force was amassed against Cuba, in Miami, in New Orleans, and on an island just adjacent to Cuba. This island was the home of Zapata Oil, owned by a George Bush.
What's significant, according to Thom Hartmann, is that this was a Bobby Kennedy operation. It backfired. Kennedy became a more significant target than Castro. He was a greater threat to: The Military Industrial Complex; The CIA; Lyndon Baines Johnson; The Mafia; and BIG OIL.
So the plot to kill Castro was redirected to kill Kennedy. Operation Freedom's planning and preparedness, was turned on the greater threat to the establishment.
And, PS, Kennedy was printing money without the Federal Reserve, $6 billion, printed by the govt. and issued without interest. He was in the process of doing away with the Federal Reserve.

[Nemo123]

And because "Operation Freedom" was Bobby Kennedy's brainchild, he felt partly responsible in the killing of his brother. This tempered his response to his brother's death.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Jack Ruby died from cancer 29 days after firs being diagnose with cancer.

The secret service knew he was going to die and said to him pssst oi...how would like to die a legend? Jack was like

http://i44.tinypic.com/eao1t0.jpg

[Nemo123]

The secret service knew he was going to die and said to him pssst oi...how would like to die a legend? Jack was like

http://i44.tinypic.com/eao1t0.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv3o9vx3VNM

I don't get the logic of your post.

[Nemo123]

I believe, John and Robert Kennedy were independently rich. They couldn't be bought. They weren't saints. JFK was a sex addict.
But!!! They took on anyone, with a Catholic verve. They were idealists who wanted to create a better world.
JFK went about his presidency like a crusade. He took on all the vested interests. The mafia, the Military Industrial Complex, whose fortune were tied in Vietnam, and spending lots of lives and money there, the Big Oil men whose subsidy would have been cut, etc.

[fingers]

You don't have to "believe" that they were independently rich, their father was the most successful importer of illegal alcohol during Prohibition.

[Vicky.]

My most controversial one really (9/11 and diana are common as hell) is the boston bombing. I dont pretend to know what happened. But I do know that the official version contradicts itself at every turn, and what has happened after the remaining suspect was arrested has been food for thought too

Lets ignore the fact that he shot himself from inside his mouth while he was unarmed.
Wrote out a confession inside the boat...in the dark, whilst heavily injured...and with no writing instrument found(hey, maybe it went the same place as the invisible gun he shot himself with). Oh, and they never found this 'boat note' until months afterwards, despite seizing and searching the boat at the time. Whole team need to go to specsavers :o
And also apparently confessed to the bombing whilst heavily sedated

We have the murder of Todashev..right before he was about to 'confess' to the triple murder he did with Tamerlan :rolleyes:
We have the prosecution/government blocking access to Dzhokhar from his lawyers, imposing SAMS on him..4 months AFTER his arrest, not immediately.. which is not necessary in this case at all.
We have/had a ridiculous amount of sealed court dockets and so on


So yeah. Something stinks.

[fingers]

Any serious student of the Kennedys would do well to read this rather lengthy document!

> http://bztv.typepad.com/Winter/DarkSideSummary.pdf

Since it is in PDF form you can download it and study it at leisure!

[Nemo123]

My most controversial one really (9/11 and diana are common as hell) is the boston bombing. I dont pretend to know what happened. But I do know that the official version contradicts itself at every turn, and what has happened after the remaining suspect was arrested has been food for thought too

Lets ignore the fact that he shot himself from inside his mouth while he was unarmed.
Wrote out a confession inside the boat...in the dark, whilst heavily injured...and with no writing instrument found(hey, maybe it went the same place as the invisible gun he shot himself with). Oh, and they never found this 'boat note' until months afterwards, despite seizing and searching the boat at the time. Whole team need to go to specsavers :o
And also apparently confessed to the bombing whilst heavily sedated

We have the murder of Todashev..right before he was about to 'confess' to the triple murder he did with Tamerlan :rolleyes:
We have the prosecution/government blocking access to Dzhokhar from his lawyers, imposing SAMS on him..4 months AFTER his arrest, not immediately.. which is not necessary in this case at all.
We have/had a ridiculous amount of sealed court dockets and so on


So yeah. Something stinks.

I read your post, and I wasn't aware of any of it. So, I suggest you separate it from this. Or separate various conspiracy theories, ones which hold water, into individual threads.

[Nemo123]

Any serious student of the Kennedys would do well to read this rather lengthy document!

> http://bztv.typepad.com/Winter/DarkSideSummary.pdf

Since it is in PDF form you can download it and study it at leisure!

I'll read it, but it would help if you could give a summary in advance.

[Nemo123]

The thing that turned my stomach, which I saw only for the first time yesterday, was John Kerry say he agreed JFK's murder was the result of a conspiracy.
The Warren Commission's findings are that Oswald was a lone gunman.
The House Select Committee on Assassinations report in 1979 concluded it was a conspiracy, in other words there was another shooter. There had to be.
Kerry is just saying Oswald was motivated or driven by the Soviets. There is no difference between what Kerry is saying and the Warren Report.
I saw Kerry's interview with one of the big networks, 3 months ago, last night. In an instant I lost any respect I had for him and by extension the Democratic Party.
He's either a liar or an idiot.

[fingers]

I'll read it, but it would help if you could give a summary in advance.

It merely charts the Kennedy Clan's rise to power over several decades, (12 PDF Pages).

[Jesus.]

Rather than read about the Kennedys, if he reads about Lee Harvey Oswalds' life, then he'd drop this conspiracy nonsense completely.

[Nemo123]

Rather than read about the Kennedys, if he reads about Lee Harvey Oswalds' life, then he'd drop this conspiracy nonsense completely.

This statement is ambivalent. What does it mean?

[Nemo123]

It merely charts the Kennedy Clan's rise to power over several decades, (12 PDF Pages).

I know the Kennedys were nouveau riche, their father Joseph made the family money, and they were resented by established wealth. I know and I don't care. It's irrelevant.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

surprise surprise the lee rigby murderers were known by MI5 prior to the murder, just like the higher authorities have known about all the previous people in history that were blamed for historical murders such as JFK.

[Nemo123]

Rather than read about the Kennedys, if he reads about Lee Harvey Oswalds' life, then he'd drop this conspiracy nonsense completely.
I watched and read quite a lot about Oswald. Judyth Vary Baker's recently released book, which I've seen her speak about on Youtube, makes an overwhelming case against him being a sole looney assassin. The House of Representatives Select Committee On Assassinations conclusion was it was a conspiracy. People who endorse the lone gunman theory conveniently forget that this is the official govt. position; the Warren Commission Reports falls asunder with their findings.
I think people who reject this killing was a conspiracy have trouble getting their head around how such a huge conspiracy could be pulled off without anyone speaking. Witnesses have been speaking and ignored since 1963. Why, because Kennedy was killed by the most powerful cadre of individuals, just as Julius Caesar was. The CIA, the FBI and the Dallas police were instructed from the president, LBJ, that they had their man in Oswald, and look no further.

[Jesus.]

I watched and read quite a lot about Oswald. Judyth Vary Baker's recently released book, which I've seen her speak about on Youtube, makes an overwhelming case against him being a sole looney assassin. The House of Representatives Select Committee On Assassinations conclusion was it was a conspiracy. People who endorse the lone gunman theory conveniently forget that this is the official govt. position; the Warren Commission Reports falls asunder with their findings.
I think people who reject this killing was a conspiracy have trouble getting their head around how such a huge conspiracy could be pulled off without anyone speaking. Witnesses have been speaking and ignored since 1963. Why, because Kennedy was killed by the most powerful cadre of individuals, just as Julius Caesar was. The CIA, the FBI and the Dallas police were instructed from the president, LBJ, that they had their man in Oswald, and look no further.

Read Gerard Posners "case closed", or the recently updated edition "still case closed".

Everything about LHO's life shows why he was the lone gunman.

[Z]

I like a good conspiracy theory but I hate discussing them with other people because so many people are properly invested in them whereas I just read them casually and maybe have a couple of opinions based off the one thing I've read

[Nemo123]

The Baby Jesus, you see you can try and see me any which way you like. In the here and now. I'm holding offialdom over you. I'm contradicting you with the force of legality. You're aware the legal position of the US government is that JFK was killed by a group of conspirators? Or aren't you?

[Jesus.]

The Baby Jesus, you see you can try and see me any which way you like. In the here and now. I'm holding offialdom over you. I'm contradicting you with the force of legality. You're aware the legal position of the US government is that JFK was killed by a group of conspirators? Or aren't you?

I'm pretty sure it isn't, but provide the sources and I'll have a look through it. What I think happened is a committee was set up to investigate about 10-15yrs after it, and they reached the conclusion of conspiracy, thats not the position of the US government.

You obviously know nothing about American politcs, where politicians can get away with all manner of crazy things. So lets assume you're right, and the official current position of the US government is that JFK was killed by a secret cabal, what then? Where is the evidence for the conspiracy? How did it play out?

I'm happy to go through this step by step, as long as you're not closed minded enough to ignore evidence, and believe YT comments.

[Ammi]

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