The whole gay choice thing

[chuff me dizzy]

If you LOVE someone and they love you,why is the marriage thing so important? you can live together as though you are married that is not illegal so why crave the piece of paper.isn't it a religious ceremony anyway, one of the things that people seem so against regarding this.

My gay cousin and his partner of nearly 20 years have just had a civil partnership, the money they spent was unreal ,VERY flamboyant ,if it were me I would rather spend that money on a brilliant holiday ,nothing changed with their lives ,so it seems money they could have spent elsewhere, but at the end of the day ,it was theri money and they spent it as they wished

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't find him attractive but cant help being drawn in by his eyes lol.

I would :blush2:

[Kazanne]

My gay cousin and his partner of nearly 20 years have just had a civil partnership, the money they spent was unreal ,VERY flamboyant ,if it were me I would rather spend that money on a brilliant holiday ,nothing changed with their lives ,so it seems money they could have spent elsewhere, but at the end of the day ,it was theri money and they spent it as they wished

Yes there is that too,weddings now are so expensive,and even after all that some don't last.

[Z]

I don't think getting married is something I'd want to spend heaps of money on - I'd just have a civil ceremony and maybe go out for a nice dinner with the people who matter afterwards, none of this 4-5 figure sum nonsense.

[Kazanne]

I would :blush2:

Gorgeous,gorgeous man,just perfect,imo of course.

[Roy Mars III]

why anyone would want to get married is beyond me

[Kazanne]

I don't think getting married is something I'd want to spend heaps of money on - I'd just have a civil ceremony and maybe go out for a nice dinner with the people who matter afterwards, none of this 4-5 figure sum nonsense.

Very sensible Zee and you end up being just as happy as if you got married.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes there is that too,weddings now are so expensive,and even after all that some don't last.

No expense spared,can you imagine holiday they could have had ? my niece and her fiance have lived together nearly 30 yrs, got 3 grown up children and as married as me and my hubby are in their eyes

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Im such a straight man though its unreal I never want to get married haha im just preaching facts which I do actually believe and respect but staying with someone for eternity just wigs me out.

[chuff me dizzy]

Gorgeous,gorgeous man,just perfect,imo of course.

Yes i wouldnt push him out of my bed !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Im such a straight man though its unreal I never want to get married haha im just preaching facts which I do actually believe and respect but staying with someone for eternity just wigs me out.

That will change when you find "the one"

[Kazanne]

Yes i wouldnt push him out of my bed !!

If I catch him in your bed Chuff,I'll pull him out :joker::joker::joker:

[Z]

Very sensible Zee and you end up being just as happy as if you got married.

Yeah, I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of inviting people/seating plans/planning dinner/speeches/hiring venues....... much easier to have a civil ceremony to get the deed done and that be that. It's what my parents did, my mum didn't have a wedding dress or any of that.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Yeah, I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of inviting people/seating plans/planning dinner/speeches/hiring venues....... much easier to have a civil ceremony to get the deed done and that be that. It's what my parents did, my mum didn't have a wedding dress or any of that.

My mother never went with the crowd and thought spending money on a wedding was bull****.

She made her own dress and I have to be honest she looked like sh!t lol.

[Kazanne]

Yeah, I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of inviting people/seating plans/planning dinner/speeches/hiring venues....... much easier to have a civil ceremony to get the deed done and that be that. It's what my parents did, my mum didn't have a wedding dress or any of that.

And just think of all the stress people go through organising a wedding and having to invite people they don't really like,LOL.

[Kazanne]

My mother never went with the crowd and thought spending money on a wedding was bull****.

She made her own dress and I have to be honest she looked like sh!t lol.

:joker::joker: I wasn't expecting the end bit:joker:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

And just think of all the stress people go through organising a wedding and having to invite people they don't really like,LOL.

Plus the agony of waiting for responses to invitations to see if someones bringing a plus 1.

God I need a drink!

[Jezzy]

Haha, love you all. Why do you have to do that sh** to prove you love someone? I got married in black with 13 guests. Unsurprisingly I divorced.

[chuff me dizzy]

If I catch him in your bed Chuff,I'll pull him out :joker::joker::joker:

He would be too busy to know you were there !! :joker::joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

Plus the agony of waiting for responses to invitations to see if someones bringing a plus 1.

God I need a drink!

I really feel like getting off my head, but had one pigging lager on launch night and the worst nightmare Ive ever had, i think it didnt mix well with my tablets ,darent have another and Ive got loads left from Xams

[Z]

My mother never went with the crowd and thought spending money on a wedding was bull****.

She made her own dress and I have to be honest she looked like sh!t lol.

:laugh2: I wasn't expecting that post to end how it did, LOL! Your poor wee mum. Good on her for making her own dress though (or trying! Haha)

And just think of all the stress people go through organising a wedding and having to invite people they don't really like,LOL.

Oh GOD I couldn't even handle that, I can just imagine my parents wanting people invited, my brother wanted people invited... no, not having any of that nonsense if I ever get married!

[Bluerang1]

Me and my ex walked through Westfield shopping centre once and got verbally abused by a gang of lads and laughed at by parents with children.

Doesn't show much progression does it.

So being gay and of a certain race do kind of go hand in hand. Both have gone through hell in the past.

That's extremely ignorant. It's like saying being born abled is the same as being born disabled because you're born when there's clearly a physical or mental difference. Don't you dare compare the struggles of blacks, Jews, and other oppressed races to being gay and not being able to marry and adopt. You'll reply but I'm done with this thread now.

[Kazanne]

He would be too busy to know you were there !! :joker::joker:

Chuff,stop being a strumpet,I'm upset now:cloud::hmph:

[Z]

That's extremely ignorant. It's like saying being born abled is the same as being born disabled because you're born when there's clearly a physical or mental difference. Don't you dare compare the struggles of blacks, Jews, and other oppressed races to being gay and not being able to marry and adopt. You'll reply but I'm done with this thread now.

Well this is one of the most ridiculous posts I've read today.

[Jezzy]

chuff, stop being a jasmine! Gerard is kazanne's <3

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff,stop being a strumpet,I'm upset now:cloud::hmph:

Sorry :bawling: ,,,that last thing I would do is upset you ,here mardy cow grab some daffs and stop whining :flowers::laugh3:

[chuff me dizzy]

chuff, stop being a jasmine! Gerard is kazanne's <3

Kaz is a tight swine Jezzy I will let her have a bit of my Robbie for a bit of her Gerard

[MrWong]

From what I know,I see marriage as a religious ceremony,the bible says to be gay is wrong,so WHY the need for anyone gay to want to actually want to get married,if the bible is against them,we'de all like things to be equal but we cant always have what we want.

Not all religions or religious people are against gay people though.

The Quakers for instance campaigned for a change in law to allow same sex marriage. Also the Liberal Jews, unitarians and Free Christians would like to perform SSM too.

Even catholics are slowly changing their views. Congregation, not so much hierarchy, bishops etc..

[Jezzy]

All ok as long as you both leave off my Clooney.

[Kazanne]

chuff, stop being a jasmine! Gerard is kazanne's <3

Yes,you tell her Jezzy,:devil:

[Kizzy]

I'm getting married I've decided .. dunno who to though :D

[Kazanne]

Kaz is a tight swine Jezzy I will let her have a bit of my Robbie for a bit of her Gerard

I'de be tight where he was concerned Chuff :hugesmile:

[Nedusa]

Late in on this thread but surely a reality TV show needs to show reality and if that means the sad bigoted views of a broken down ex boxer are aired then so be it...

His views are his views , and although I do not share those views he is entitled to hold those views however toxic.

BB only warned him to create a storm and put the show in people's minds due to the fact that everyone is talking about it.

Well done BB and Channel 5 .... Job done !!!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

All ok as long as you both leave off my Clooney.

I love Clooney but he is old enough to be my father :/

[Jezzy]

I love Clooney but he is old enough to be my father :/

Almost mine too. I still would, but I'd feel a bit funny.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I really feel like getting off my head, but had one pigging lager on launch night and the worst nightmare Ive ever had, i think it didnt mix well with my tablets ,darent have another and Ive got loads left from Xams

Ooh I like tablets lets bond....

Im guessing.....Zopiclone?

[Kizzy]

I just got some codine from the docs, I'm not pain now but when he asked if I needed some I said yes..... that's bad isn't it?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

That's extremely ignorant. It's like saying being born abled is the same as being born disabled because you're born when there's clearly a physical or mental difference. Don't you dare compare the struggles of blacks, Jews, and other oppressed races to being gay and not being able to marry and adopt. You'll reply but I'm done with this thread now.

Erm...I thought this thread started getting quite hippy, loveable then this?

All I said was I have been mocked and laughed at for walking hand in hand with my boyfriend and it literally stopped me from doing it again.

Yes I compared racism and homophobia saying both things make the people on the receiving end go through hell.

Im sorry did I say something wrong or is someone just on their period?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I just got some codine from the docs, I'm not pain now but when he asked if I needed some I said yes..... that's bad isn't it?

Yes get yourself to the priory immediately!

[Z]

I just got some codine from the docs, I'm not pain now but when he asked if I needed some I said yes..... that's bad isn't it?

No not at all! Sell them on for profit!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Not all religions or religious people are against gay people though.

The Quakers for instance campaigned for a change in law to allow same sex marriage. Also the Liberal Jews, unitarians and Free Christians would like to perform SSM too.

Even catholics are slowly changing their views. Congregation, not so much hierarchy, bishops etc..

I didn't know that about The Quakers but if that's true its awesome, I cant see the Catholics being to up for it though even though the Priests do love a bit of early teen willy....To harsh?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Late in on this thread but surely a reality TV show needs to show reality and if that means the sad bigoted views of a broken down ex boxer are aired then so be it...

His views are his views , and although I do not share those views he is entitled to hold those views however toxic.

BB only warned him to create a storm and put the show in people's minds due to the fact that everyone is talking about it.

Well done BB and Channel 5 .... Job done !!!

That's exactly what I said when I started the thread (ooh im a poet).

Reality tv should not be censored however offensive it is.

[MrWong]

I didn't know that about The Quakers but if that's true its awesome, I cant see the Catholics being to up for it though even though the Priests do love a bit of early teen willy....To harsh?

You could change it to some priests :D

[Nemo123]

Say something homophobic if you want a long discussion.
Are people not beyond this by now?
As Oregon advises Vod to say "something homophobic" if she wants to scupper her election chances. Political correctness has become the stuff of parody. Time to move to the next level of discussion. Beyond taboo.

[Jezzy]

That's exactly what I said when I started the thread (ooh im a poet).

Reality tv should not be censored however offensive it is.

100%. Let it provoke discussion.

[toronto_matt]

he's was not advocating violence or hate. he did show that he was unbelievably naive and wrong but ignorance is not hate. people need to stop thinking so black and white with issues like this.

what evander said was wrong and i disagree completely with it and with him but id rather he say something like what he said and have people recognize it and maybe try and make him see things differently then for him to just be misinformed and uneducated about the subject and live with his own ignorance.

just because someone does not share your views does not mean they do so because of malice hate or homophobia it could simply mean they don't know and haven't been made to see it any differently.

some people on here just need to cool it with the dramatics a bit.

and yes im gay and despite evander's views i still like him as a housemate.

[erinp5]

Interesting article I read on another site

Writing for PinkNews.co.uk, Richard Smith says the reaction to Evander Holyfield’s homophobic remarks on Celebrity Big Brother shows “the gay public realm has been hijacked by new puritans – bullies, censors, bores.”

Are you watching Celebrity Big Brother?

No, neither am I.

But some gayers have now got their overpriced underpants in a twist cause someone on CBB has said… something bad about The Gays!

Imagine.

BURN THE WITCH!!!

The accused, Evander Holyfield is a boxer, and a man who – let’s face it – neither you nor I had ever heard of before.

Oh, apart from some vague folk-memory about Mike Tyson having bitten a bit of his ear off long long ago.

Anyway, the other day Mr Holyfield said something nutty on Celebrity Big Brother about how he thinks being gay is wrong and that it could – and should – be cured.

As back up, he said it says in the Bible it’s wrong.

Case closed!

The man and his quarter-baked opinions are clearly an antiquated joke.

He’s a born-again idiot.

A bigot.

But instead of laughing this off some gay men have taken great offence.

Even complaining to Ofcom!

There’s probably a pointless online petition somewhere.

‘If you are mildly annoyed click your mouse now – then everything will be okay forever’.

But why?

Because people must not think bad thoughts or say things we don’t agree with?

Newsflash – Celebrity Big Brother is a reality TV show.

People watch it because it might show some vague semblance of reality.

So why be surprised – never mind horrified – when a real person says something that many real people really think?

This faux outrage over the slightest slight – sorry, ‘hate-filled anti-gay slur’ – has become a gay cliche.

Like when another vacuous Hollywood celebrity has said he’s not that keen on gay marriage.

Who cares what he thinks? He’s a vacuous Hollywood celebrity!

Just the other week there was some redneck on something called Duck Dynasty who also said something bad about The Gays?

I bet you never saw his TV show either, did you?

But he must be silenced – the gay thought police say NO! – and so he was suspended by the television station.

Why?

Because some thoughts are unbroadcastable, unsayable, now even unthinkable.

The gay public realm has been hijacked by new puritans – bullies, censors, bores.

Bedwetting pearl-clutching fools, desperate to take offence at anything and everything.

Privileged people painting themselves as victims.

There are so many things that are wrong in this world, why waste time on something as trivial as this?

When our mad right-wing enemies talk about a “gaystapo” – a new McCarthyism – it’s at times like this I increasingly think they may actually have a point.

And I worry our knee-jerk hysterical over-censoriousness is making us look like a joke.

Some people are still bigots – can we get over it, please?

Richard Smith is an independent journalist. His blog about gay men and the media – Fagburn – was nominated for Stonewall’s publication of the year 2013.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'de be tight where he was concerned Chuff :hugesmile:

i know :joker:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Interesting article I read on another site

Writing for PinkNews.co.uk, Richard Smith says the reaction to Evander Holyfield’s homophobic remarks on Celebrity Big Brother shows “the gay public realm has been hijacked by new puritans – bullies, censors, bores.”

Are you watching Celebrity Big Brother?

No, neither am I.

But some gayers have now got their overpriced underpants in a twist cause someone on CBB has said… something bad about The Gays!

Imagine.

BURN THE WITCH!!!

The accused, Evander Holyfield is a boxer, and a man who – let’s face it – neither you nor I had ever heard of before.

Oh, apart from some vague folk-memory about Mike Tyson having bitten a bit of his ear off long long ago.

Anyway, the other day Mr Holyfield said something nutty on Celebrity Big Brother about how he thinks being gay is wrong and that it could – and should – be cured.

As back up, he said it says in the Bible it’s wrong.

Case closed!

The man and his quarter-baked opinions are clearly an antiquated joke.

He’s a born-again idiot.

A bigot.

But instead of laughing this off some gay men have taken great offence.

Even complaining to Ofcom!

There’s probably a pointless online petition somewhere.

‘If you are mildly annoyed click your mouse now – then everything will be okay forever’.

But why?

Because people must not think bad thoughts or say things we don’t agree with?

Newsflash – Celebrity Big Brother is a reality TV show.

People watch it because it might show some vague semblance of reality.

So why be surprised – never mind horrified – when a real person says something that many real people really think?

This faux outrage over the slightest slight – sorry, ‘hate-filled anti-gay slur’ – has become a gay cliche.

Like when another vacuous Hollywood celebrity has said he’s not that keen on gay marriage.

Who cares what he thinks? He’s a vacuous Hollywood celebrity!

Just the other week there was some redneck on something called Duck Dynasty who also said something bad about The Gays?

I bet you never saw his TV show either, did you?

But he must be silenced – the gay thought police say NO! – and so he was suspended by the television station.

Why?

Because some thoughts are unbroadcastable, unsayable, now even unthinkable.

The gay public realm has been hijacked by new puritans – bullies, censors, bores.

Bedwetting pearl-clutching fools, desperate to take offence at anything and everything.

Privileged people painting themselves as victims.

There are so many things that are wrong in this world, why waste time on something as trivial as this?

When our mad right-wing enemies talk about a “gaystapo” – a new McCarthyism – it’s at times like this I increasingly think they may actually have a point.

And I worry our knee-jerk hysterical over-censoriousness is making us look like a joke.

Some people are still bigots – can we get over it, please?

Richard Smith is an independent journalist. His blog about gay men and the media – Fagburn – was nominated for Stonewall’s publication of the year 2013.


Richard Smith is an attention seeking little gay boy but yes I agree with what hes saying to a certain degree. Hes not conveying it very well though.

The The accused, Evander Holyfield is a boxer, and a man who – let’s face it – neither you nor I had ever heard of before comment?

WHAT? Evander Holyfield is a big deal world champion, media frenzied boxer.

And the "Are you watching Celebrity Big Brother? No, neither am I." comment kind of makes his "article" pretty pointless. If you're not watching then how can you even be qualified to write an article on it.

[Lostie!]

Richard Smith is an attention seeking little gay boy but yes I agree with what hes saying to a certain degree. Hes not conveying it very well though.

The The accused, Evander Holyfield is a boxer, and a man who – let’s face it – neither you nor I had ever heard of before comment?

WHAT? Evander Holyfield is a big deal world champion, media frenzied boxer.

And the "Are you watching Celebrity Big Brother? No, neither am I." comment kind of makes his "article" pretty pointless. If you're not watching then how can you even be qualified to write an article on it.

Wow, that whole article is terrible. Seriously, people pay this guy? :conf:

"Can we get over it now please?". Erm, if you weren't watching and have never heard of Evander Holyfield, surely this whole issue shouldn't even get your attention? Who chooses to get involved in something they could easily ignore and then demands people let it go? :D

Also, it's not JUST gay guys who are pissed off. Is Pinknews a gay site or something, because if it is this guy comes across as one of those who's trying desperate to distance himself from the typical gay guy by throwing insults around. "Look at me, I'm a progressive gay, I'm not like my mincing, queenie brethren!". I'm not really interested in being a part of "the gay community" either, but I don't need to go on the offensive to prove a point.

Personally, I'm not highly offended by the comment because it's not something that everyone goes around believing. I do get why it pissed people off though, you can't expect to compare being gay to being ill or disabled and not offend people.

[Z]

Who on earth hasn't heard of Evander Holyfield before?! He's a big name

[letmein]

he's was not advocating violence or hate. he did show that he was unbelievably naive and wrong but ignorance is not hate. people need to stop thinking so black and white with issues like this.

what evander said was wrong and i disagree completely with it and with him but id rather he say something like what he said and have people recognize it and maybe try and make him see things differently then for him to just be misinformed and uneducated about the subject and live with his own ignorance.

just because someone does not share your views does not mean they do so because of malice hate or homophobia it could simply mean they don't know and haven't been made to see it any differently.

some people on here just need to cool it with the dramatics a bit.

and yes im gay and despite evander's views i still like him as a housemate.

lol, you're being ridiculous. Thank god not all of us are doormats.

[letmein]

why anyone would want to get married is beyond me

Legal reasons, benefits and accommodations, and taxes.

[letmein]

From what I know,I see marriage as a religious ceremony,the bible says to be gay is wrong,so WHY the need for anyone gay to want to actually want to get married,if the bible is against them,we'de all like things to be equal but we cant always have what we want.

Marriage is not owned nor invented by religious institutions and when it comes to equality, yes, we can always have what we want.

[lostalex]

I think Evander handled the situation well, he wasn't hateful. He is genuinely ignorant on the subject.

I didn't get the impression that Evander hates gay people, or has any ill intentions towards homosexuals, i think he is genuinely ignorant on the subject, he's just repeating what he's heard in church and from his peers. I don't get a hate vibe from him at all.

He just doesn't know any better.

[letmein]

This is offensive and comparing race to sexuality isn't? I'm glad I don't live in the UK anymore. USA!

Offensive how?

[Kizzy]

lol, you're being ridiculous. Thank god not all of us are doormats.

I thought matts opinion was very balanced actually, when you look at it objectively that's how it is.
How is that an example of being a doormat?...

[letmein]

OMG are you actually being serious? Gay people can walk anywhere and people don't notice their sexuality but when you are of a certain race that is noticed. Of course being racist is far worse because you're judging someone based on a physical trait and shouldn't even be considered. Like Chuff said, gays aren't never lacked in any rights really except for having families which isn't even a big deal. Talk to me when they've been enslaved, denied the right to vote, et cetera. Ignorant please.

lol, gays are being hanged and set on fire this very minute. Gays were sent to concentration camps and gassed, were put in insane asylums, were castrated, were imprisoned, even in the 20th century, are still able to be fired based on their sexual orientation, they are not a protected group in the US, and the list goes on. According to you, antisemitism isn't a big deal either. You can hide being Jew. You are an insanely ignorant, limited individual.

[letmein]

I thought matts opinion was very balanced actually, when you look at it objectively that's how it is.
How is that an example of being a doormat?...

Saying that homosexuals are handicapped and should be fixed isn't hate, IS being a doormat if you're a gay person. Gays are put in homosexual deprogramming centers where they're tortured to death in order to get "fixed."

[lostalex]

There's no doubt that homophobia is the most heinous and insidious hatred and form of discrimination left in the western world.

But what Evander said wasn't really hateful, it was just ignorant. To be fair, i don't even really know what he said, he was barely forming sentences. The guys is 60 years old and clearly has brain damage, i think it's fair to give him a pass. he didn't come across as hateful.

[Kizzy]

Saying that homosexuals are handicapped and should be fixed isn't hate, IS being a doormat if you're a gay person. Gays are put in homosexual deprogramming centers where they're tortured to death in order to get "fixed."

He wasn't suggesting they be put into deprogramming centres though, I think some are reading too much into what he did say.
What he said wasn't inciteful, just a culmination of influences resulting in an opinion that is now considered unenlightened.
Ignorance is not a crime.

[Vanessa]

He wasn't suggesting they be put into deprogramming centres though, I think some are reading too much into what he did say.
What he said wasn't inciteful, just a culmination of influences resulting in an opinion that is now considered unenlightened.
Ignorance is not a crime.

Agreed. He wasn't nasty or malicious. He's a very religious man, that is why he does not approve of homosexuality.

[sampvt]

He wasn't being nasty, he was saying something that his belief teaches him, ergo the Bibles thoughts on gay relationship. The only issue here is the OTT reaction we are getting from a section of the community regarding how gays feel and sadly these few seem to be speaking for a nation and its sad to hear they are so effected by one mans ignorance.

Ive said it before and will say it again. These OTT reactions that are coming forward, precipitate gay persecution worse than bigots and ignorant people doing the gay bashing. For christs sake, pipe down and look at ways to solve the problem, not ways to hang everyone that blips or says something off the cuff that disagrees with your views. You are beginning to sound like PC in overdrive and its doing your own cause no good.

[exoticrosebud]

oh dear...how very dare he have an opinion that doesnt quite suit others....naught boy ! get back into that corner and dont dare think or speak again !!

[Vanessa]

oh dear...how very dare he have an opinion that doesnt quite suit others....naught boy ! get back into that corner and dont dare think or speak again !!

I like that he's not afraid to have an opinion. :)

[exoticrosebud]

I like that he's not afraid to have an opinion. :)

me too! its up to him what he thinks and likes and dislikes.....everyone has choices... you dont have to go along with everyone and agree with them just because its PC.....
and before anyone goes off on one.....i am not anti gay, black, green, alien, or anything else you can think of......i just think that you are entitled to your own opinions and not be afraid to speak em out...

[flamingGalah!]

Well I hope you all have the same 'freedom of speech' 'entitled to his opinion' stance if Jim makes a racist joke in there... :thumbs:

[Vanessa]

Well I hope you all have the same 'freedom of speech' 'entitled to his opinion' stance if Jim makes a racist joke in there... :thumbs:

He'll get a warning if he does that, just like Dappy and Evander.

[exoticrosebud]

Well I hope you all have the same 'freedom of speech' 'entitled to his opinion' stance if Jim makes a racist joke in there... :thumbs:

personally couldnt care too tosses what he says...or any of the others....there will always be someone out there waiting to twist the knife and the words....

[flamingGalah!]

He'll get a warning if he does that, just like Dappy and Evander.

I meant more people's reactions on here...

[Northern Monkey]

I like that he's not afraid to have an opinion. :)

Exactly!Too many people these days are shot down when they try and discuss their opinions,Nothing gets solved like that,It just creates an under current of misunderstanding and hate rather than airing the issues openly and honestly.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

He wasn't being nasty, he was saying something that his belief teaches him, ergo the Bibles thoughts on gay relationship. The only issue here is the OTT reaction we are getting from a section of the community regarding how gays feel and sadly these few seem to be speaking for a nation and its sad to hear they are so effected by one mans ignorance.

Ive said it before and will say it again. These OTT reactions that are coming forward, precipitate gay persecution worse than bigots and ignorant people doing the gay bashing. For christs sake, pipe down and look at ways to solve the problem, not ways to hang everyone that blips or says something off the cuff that disagrees with your views. You are beginning to sound like PC in overdrive and its doing your own cause no good.

We are not being OTT he called me as a gay person 'Wrong, handicapped and suggested us gays go to the hospital to get fixed.

I was offended, would I call Ofcom? NO WAY because people are allowed to have their opinion and at 60 years old he should know by now that saying those things is going to cause offence.

IMO Channel 5 should have kept that conversation going and maybe he would have changed his views slightly.

Don't tell the people who were offended to pipe down and solve the problem its not our job to educate the bigots out there also don't tell us how to feel about the situation because you my friend have not personally been at the end of homophobic comments.

Im not PC I just cant stand ignorant people.

[Lostie!]

We are not being OTT he called me as a gay person 'Wrong, handicapped and suggested us gays go to the hospital to get fixed.

I was offended, would I call Ofcom? NO WAY because people are allowed to have their opinion and at 60 years old he should know by now that saying those things is going to cause offence.

IMO Channel 5 should have kept that conversation going and maybe he would have changed his views slightly.

Don't tell the people who were offended to pipe down and solve the problem its not our job to educate the bigots out there also don't tell us how to feel about the situation because you my friend have not personally been at the end of homophobic comments.

Im not PC I just cant stand ignorant people.

I agree.

It's ridiculous that some people expect nobody to be offended, it's even worse when someone says "I'm gay and I'm not offended so it's not offensive". Hey, good for you, but some people are offended and are entitled to feel that way.

I'm not one of those who gets offended by every little comment, honestly they piss me off too. I'm not even big into gay culture, I don't surround myself with it, etc, it's not a defining aspect of my personality. But, if someone is going to compare homosexuality to a handicap or an illness, OF COURSE it's going to be hurtful to some. What's so hard to understand about that? On top of that, it's factually incorrect. You don't treat it, you don't cure it. He even pulled his face when Luisa said being gay is normal and said "That ain't normal!". How is any of this supposed to be totally non-hurtful?

If someone told him that him being black is akin to an illness and he should sort it out, there would be hell to pay among the viewers. How is this so different?

I don't think he should be vilified or anything, but people are perfectly entitled to stand up and say "I find what he said offensive".

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I agree.

It's ridiculous that some people expect nobody to be offended, it's even worse when someone says "I'm gay and I'm not offended so it's not offensive". Hey, good for you, but some people are offended and are entitled to feel that way.

I'm not one of those who gets offended by every little comment, honestly they piss me off too. I'm not even big into gay culture, I don't surround myself with it, etc, it's not a defining aspect of my personality. But, if someone is going to compare homosexuality to a handicap or an illness, OF COURSE it's going to be hurtful to some. What's so hard to understand about that? On top of that, it's factually incorrect. You don't treat it, you don't cure it. He even pulled his face when Luisa said being gay is normal and said "That ain't normal!". How is any of this supposed to be totally non-hurtful?

If someone told him that him being black is akin to an illness and he should sort it out, there would be hell to pay among the viewers. How is this so different?

I don't think he should be vilified or anything, but people are perfectly entitled to stand up and say "I find what he said offensive".

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