He's a wife beater

[Videostar]

It says nothing about her, the voting public however...

It does say a lot about her, both of them are being judged by the same public, and that public knows about Jim's past, but judge him and Luisa by what they do in the house...Jim gets loud cheers and Luisa gets booed.

If you really believe that the crowd in some way approves of wife beaters or all the horrible things Jim has been accused of then I strongly disagree with you.

Maybe they choose to judge HM's on how they are in the house....which would certainly give us the answer as to why Jim is far more popular than Luisa.

[flamingGalah!]

Having lots of sex > beating women and being a racist/homophobe

Some of you are too much

Another one who doesn't understand, no one is comparing Luisa & Jim's behaviour, just that Jim's was in his PAST, yet what we are seeing/judging Luisa on is from how she is in the house NOW...

[Videostar]

Having lots of sex > beating women and being a racist/homophobe



Oh well, nobody's perfect.

[reece(:]

I can't at this thread, atleast Doogle and Jordan are clocking left right and centre.

Luisa is a saint in comparison to Jim.

[Jordan.]

um I can't at this 'judge him by how he is in the house x' because he could never be fake and suppress his personality as he knows cameras are on him right?

[flamingGalah!]

Oh dear, another one that does not get the point, do people not actually read through threads before they comment? :facepalm:

[RichardG]

I think it can be hard to judge people purely on their actions within the house when we already have opinions on them before they enter, and my opinion was - and still is - that he is a horrible disgusting man who doesn't deserve any attention and that opinion will not change.

[reece(:]

um I can't at this 'judge him by how he is in the house x' because he could never be fake and suppress his personality as he knows cameras are on him right?
And he admitted to being fake in the house yet he is still idolised.

[Amy Jade]

He's a homophobe, racist, violent thug and Luisa's biggest crime is having a high sex drive and people are now comparing them to see who's worse morally?

I can't even cope anymore

[flamingGalah!]

um I can't at this 'judge him by how he is in the house x' because he could never be fake and suppress his personality as he knows cameras are on him right?

And how do you know he is still a violent wife beater?? :conf:

How do you know that ANY of them are really being themselves in there? We don't & you don't, you are basing all of your hate on things he did YEARS ago...

[flamingGalah!]

He's a homophobe, racist, violent thug and Luisa's biggest crime is having a high sex drive and people are now comparing them to see who's worse?

I can't even cope anymore

Oh here's another one who hasn't bothered to read through the thread...

NO ONE is comparing Jim & Luisa's behaviour!! :facepalm:

I really can't even cope anymore...

[reece(:]

He's a homophobe, racist, violent thug and Luisa's biggest crime is having a high sex drive and people are now comparing them to see who's worse morally?

I can't even cope anymore
Just give up, this place is impossible sometimes

[flamingGalah!]

Yes this place is hilarious when people barge into threads all guns blazing without actually reading what people have actually written & get completely the wrong end of the stick... :facepalm:

[Jordan.]

And how do you know he is still a violent wife beater?? :conf:

How do you know that ANY of them are really being themselves in there? We don't & you don't, you are basing all of your hate on things he did YEARS ago...

Idc if he's still violent. The fact he was in the first place is enough for me to dislike him & I'd rather judge him by a lifetime of facts than 3 weeks on filmed television ty :xyxwave:

[jet]

um I can't at this 'judge him by how he is in the house x' because he could never be fake and suppress his personality as he knows cameras are on him right?

The funny thing is he actually said in the house he'd be thrown out if he was himself. Maybe a lot of people are voting to keep him in because they want to see the false facade drop.

[reece(:]

The funny thing is he actually said in the house he'd be thrown out if he was himself. Maybe a lot of people are voting to keep him in because they want to see the false facade drop.
Exactly what I mentioned

[flamingGalah!]

Idc if he's still violent. The fact he was in the first place is enough for me to dislike him & I'd rather judge him by a lifetime of facts than 3 weeks on filmed television ty :xyxwave:

Well I prefer to judge people on how they are inside the house, every one has a past & demons... I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, but his behaviour in there has made me despise him :xyxwave: :xyxwave: :xyxwave:

[sampvt]

He's a homophobe, racist, violent thug and Luisa's biggest crime is having a high sex drive and people are now comparing them to see who's worse morally?

I can't even cope anymore

And he is also the most popular in the public vote again. :joker::joker::joker:

[flamingGalah!]

The funny thing is he actually said in the house he'd be thrown out if he was himself. Maybe a lot of people are voting to keep him in because they want to see the false facade drop.

So you actually think he'd kick Linda Nolan down the stairs & punch Luisa in the face if he could?

[jet]

Well I prefer to judge people on how they are inside the house, every one has a past & demons... I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, but his behaviour in there has made me despise him :xyxwave: :xyxwave: :xyxwave:

How can you judge someone if they are putting on an act?

[flamingGalah!]

How can you judge someone if they are putting on an act?

And how do you know they ARE putting on an act?? Oh I forgot you have psychic abilities & gut feelings :joker:

[Jordan.]

And how do you know they ARE putting on an act?? Oh I forgot you have psychic abilities & gut feelings :joker:

Admitting it is kind of a give away

[jet]

So you actually think he'd kick Linda Nolan down the stairs & punch Luisa in the face if he could?

He would if he could. But he can't as he isn't being himself in the house and he would get thrown out. :hugesmile:

[jet]

And how do you know they ARE putting on an act?? Oh I forgot you have psychic abilities & gut feelings :joker:

Because he said so.

[JTM45]

Well I prefer to judge people on how they are inside the house, every one has a past & demons... I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, but his behaviour in there has made me despise him :xyxwave: :xyxwave: :xyxwave:

Judging people on their behaviour in the house is all well and good but a lot of people go in there and behave completely differently just to boost their careers!
Surely if someone has been a disgusting person in the real World and then goes in the house and pretends to be an angel you wouldn't be deluded enough to support that person because you've only seen them pretending to be a nice person in the BB house ?

Jim isn't a nice person at all. His entire career was based on getting laughs from racist jokes and he's also been disgusting to women through the years.

Good on you if you want to be seen to support that kind of person but i never could personally. My morals are too important to me.

[flamingGalah!]

Admitting it is kind of a give away

He would if he could. But he can't as he isn't being himself in the house and he would get thrown out. :hugesmile:

Because he said so.

He didn't actually say he was a wide beater did he? :joker:

You don't actually know what he meant when he said he wasn't being himself, it may have been because he doesn't actually like Lionel or that he'd rather not be nice to certain people, it doesn't mean he'd rather kick off & start beating all the women in the house about :joker:

[jet]

Judging people on their behaviour in the house is all well and good but a lot of people go in there and behave completely differently just to boost their careers!
Surely if someone has been a disgusting person in the real World and then goes in the house and pretends to be an angel you wouldn't be deluded enough to support that person because you've only seen them pretending to be a nice person in the BB house ?

Jim isn't a nice person at all. His entire career was based on getting laughs from racist jokes and he's also been disgusting to women through the years.

Good on you if you want to be seen to support that kind of person but i never could personally. My morals are too important to me.

:worship:

[Amy Jade]

And he is also the most popular in the public vote again. :joker::joker::joker:
So was Charlotte last year.

[Cherie]

He didn't actually say he was a wide beater did he? :joker:

You don't actually know what he meant when he said he wasn't being himself, it may have been because he doesn't actually like Lionel or that he'd rather not be nice to certain people, it doesn't mean he'd rather kick off & start beating all the women in the house about :joker:

Couldn't have put it better.

[jet]

He didn't actually say he was a wide beater did he? :joker:

You don't actually know what he meant when he said he wasn't being himself, it may have been because he doesn't actually like Lionel or that he'd rather not be nice to certain people, it doesn't mean he'd rather kick off & start beating all the women in the house about :joker:

He's hardly going to get thrown out for not liking Lionel or not being nice to certain people, is he?

[Cherie]

The faux outrage and judging of others on this thread is hilarious :joker:

[JTM45]

So was Charlotte last year.

Exactly!:thumbs:
There's no accounting for some people's taste.

I personally find Jim far more offensive than Charlotte though. She's pretty harmless on the whole. Jim isn't!

[flamingGalah!]

He's hardly going to get thrown out for not liking Lionel or not being nice to certain people, is he?

Oh he must have meant punching all the women in the face then...

[Jordan.]

He didn't actually say he was a wide beater did he? :joker:

You don't actually know what he meant when he said he wasn't being himself, it may have been because he doesn't actually like Lionel or that he'd rather not be nice to certain people, it doesn't mean he'd rather kick off & start beating all the women in the house about :joker:

why not? it's not like it'd be out of character for him

[flamingGalah!]

Exactly!:thumbs:
There's no accounting for some people's taste.

I personally find Jim far more offensive than Charlotte though. She's pretty harmless on the whole. Jim isn't!

We are here to judge the housemates dear, not other forum members, so I will thank you not to suggest I have no morals. Thanks. :xyxwave:

[flamingGalah!]

why not? it's not like it'd be out of character for him

Yes I suppose, just like if someone was once a drug addict they are always a drug addict then? Gosh...

[jet]

Oh he must have meant punching all the women in the face then...

Exactly. Or just one seeing he's old now. Or he could deeply offend homosexuals or people of different races. Or his male chauvinism could get the better of him. There are no end of possibilities with Jimbo.

[Amy Jade]

We are here to judge the housemates dear, not other forum members, so I will thank you not to suggest I have no morals. Thanks. :xyxwave:
Literally nobody suggested you have no morals, at all.

[flamingGalah!]

Literally nobody suggested you have no morals, at all.

Erm read last post on page 11 dear, keep up... :xyxwave:

[flamingGalah!]

Exactly. Or just one seeing he's old now. Or he could deeply offend homosexuals or people of different races. Or his male chauvinism could get the better of him. There are no end of possibilities with Jimbo.

Yes, no doubt you are right, people cannot change can they, silly me...

[Kizzy]

He didn't actually say he was a wide beater did he? :joker:

You don't actually know what he meant when he said he wasn't being himself, it may have been because he doesn't actually like Lionel or that he'd rather not be nice to certain people, it doesn't mean he'd rather kick off & start beating all the women in the house about :joker:

It's in his autobiography..
But I just don't like him for how he is in the house the bitching with lionel was an hilarious role reversal.
The girls get gobby and lairy and the blokes stand tutting... :joker:

[Amy Jade]

Erm read last post on page 11 dear, keep up... :xyxwave:
What is wrong with people being such condescending dicks on here tonight? You replied to somebody who made no implications at all you have no morals. Read what you replied to.

[flamingGalah!]

What is wrong with people being such condescending dicks on here tonight? You replied to somebody who made no implications at all you have no morals. Read what you replied to.

Read the whole thread before getting all excited then dear, not my fault if you jump in all guns blazing without actually reading what has been written :xyxwave:

[Amy Jade]

Read the whole thread before getting all excited then dear, not my fault if you jump in all guns blazing without actually reading what has been written :xyxwave:
Stop being so horrible, what's your problem?

[flamingGalah!]

Stop being so horrible, what's your problem?

How am I being horrible?? Calm down & have a drink... :xyxwave:

[jet]

Yes, no doubt you are right, people cannot change can they, silly me...

It was Jim who implied he hadn't changed when he said if he was himself he'd be kicked out. We can only speculate what behaviour could lead to that rare occurrence.

[Amy Jade]

How am I being horrible?? Calm down & have a drink... :xyxwave:
You're talking down to me like I'm simple, you are just being plain rude.

[flamingGalah!]

It was Jim who implied he hadn't changed when he said if he was himself he'd be kicked out. We can only speculate what behaviour could lead to that rare occurrence.

He probably meant that he is still sexist, if he were to tell the sort of jokes he tells in his stand up shows it probably wouldn't go down too well.. He obviously isn't still a violent wife beater as no doubt we would have heard about it if he was...

[flamingGalah!]

You're talking down to me like I'm simple, you are just being plain rude.

And calling someone a dick isn't being rude?

I have been very polite in my replies to you...

[optimisticcynic]

You're talking down to me like I'm simple, you are just being plain rude.

SH, the comment that suggest supporters of Jim had no morals stated the author could not support him as their morals were too important to them, hence FG's response.

I know a lot of people who have turned their lives around, having done some pretty nasty things, and a very common factor amongst them is guilt and a constant need to put themselves down despite their progress, as constantly insisting you're still a bad person prevents you from being complacent and stopping the considerable effort to work against the way you were previously programmed to be. "If I were myself, I'd get chucked out" is not Jim bragging, but Jim putting himself down, telling others he is flawed. Why would he do that otherwise? Not many people chirpily say to women, "Hi, I'm a wife-beater!"

He knows all the jokes he has cracked, and that he is viewed as a relic and he has placed himself in a very vulnerable situation. I never watched Hell's Kitchen, but if everyone's claims about his behaviour then are true, what must have changed to make him able to control himself now, if he couldn't do it then. One answer - Jim. And he'd probably be the first to say that it's a work in progress.

[JTM45]

I never made comment about anyone else's morality, just that my morality wouldn't allow me to support a racist misogynist.

[Vicky.]

Closing this. It has clearly ran its course given the quality of posts on the last couple of pages

Can we please stick to discussing the HMs and not their fans, or the morals of other forum members etc. There really is no need to be attacking each other like this over a tv show.