He's a wife beater

[Benjamin]

And yet he has all this support? Honestly, I don't get it. The amount of times I see people stand up for women and domestic abuse and so many now support him.

[Black Dagger]

He's not punched anybody in the house, I'm judging his house actions.

This is like when the other day there was that copied wikipedia page for Dappy, couldn't give a toss.

[jegmeister]

He's not punched anybody in the house, I'm judging his house actions.

This is like when the other day there was that copied wikipedia page for Dappy, couldn't give a toss.

even judging him on his actions he's a nasty piece of work - amazed some people can't see it

[Benjamin]

He's not punched anybody in the house, I'm judging his house actions.

This is like when the other day there was that copied wikipedia page for Dappy, couldn't give a toss.

Well he isn;t going to punch his wife in the house is he. But wow, I honestly cannot get over how people support somebody that has done this. I bet half of those that support Jim wouldn't for a second forgive Chris Brown for punching Rihanna or Saatchi for his actions towards Nigella. Domestic violence is domestic violence.

[Samm]

I have hated Jim since he walked into the house

Hated him before CBB anyway

[Kazanne]

And yet he has all this support? Honestly, I don't get it. The amount of times I see people stand up for women and domestic abuse and so many now support him.

Ben we know,he admitted it ,its in his past,Sam and Jasmine have also been violent,why nothing said about them?

[Benjamin]

Ben we know,he admitted it ,its in his past,Sam and Jasmine have also been violent,why nothing said about them?

Because I don't know about them or their past, feel free to make a thread. But Jim is the 2nd fave to win this show and I am honestly shocked that people are backing somebody who has hit their wife several times, even it was in the past, he still did it and more than once.

[Kazanne]

I have hated Jim since he walked into the house

Hated him before CBB anyway

I feel the same about Luisa,although I draw the line at hating anyone I don't know,I strongly dislike her though,Ah well that's life.

[Chuck]

How long ago did It happen?

[Amy Jade]

I was one of the people on opening night who said I was going to judge him from what he does in the house but after reading the terrible things he's done I can't ever support him in there. I think he's funny at times but every time I think 'oh he's not bad' I picture him twatting his wife and it's like a red light.

[GiRTh]

His history is well documented so I dont feel the need to comment in this thread.

[Me. I Am Salman]

It's not even just that though. There are a million other things wrong about him and he's putting on an act in the house which I'm definitely not falling for

[MTVN]

Thankfully as a country we tend not to eternally hold things against people that they did a good twenty years ago. Jim has been the first to admit in there on day 1 or 2 that he has had plenty of demons in his life, at that time he also spent years fighting alcoholism, why should we drag those things back up in order to judge him as a housemate?

[Z]

And yet he has all this support? Honestly, I don't get it. The amount of times I see people stand up for women and domestic abuse and so many now support him.

I can't speak for anyone else but the reasons I like Jim are as follows:

1) I've never been into Celebrity Big Brother before, ever, so I've never had any kind of pre-house opinions of housemates to go on because I've never watched Celebrity Big Brother. On that basis, I just decided to judge the housemates as if they were normal people.

2) Most of the housemates revealed themselves to be deluded, despicable people within the first few days. Casey/Lee/Jasmine is pathetic to watch. Luisa's full of herself, bitchy and a cry baby. Evander had all sorts of insane Bible belt views. Dappy's been overtly sexist and horrible. Linda's been trying to provoke Jim into exploding which makes her look bad, not him. Lionel's been two faced and gotten into a few arguments. Liz, Ollie and Sam have remained in the background so it's been impossible to have an opinion of them either way. Jim is the only housemate in there who has been involved in the house without actually doing anything actively mean to anyone else in the house. By default, I like him more than I like most of the others. Plenty of others have had the same response; only they've chosen to support Liz, Ollie and/or Sam because by default they like them more than the others. For me, I like Jim the most because he's been entertaining without being nasty to anyone else.

3) Even though I have this prior perception of him and he himself has admitted to being a wife beater - I appreciate his honesty on that matter and I'd rather have my eyes opened to what a person is really like by observing them interact with other people, rather than relying on printed word one sided interpretations of them. I don't want to instantly judge someone and write them off without giving them a chance. I was put off him a bit when he admitted to Luisa that he's not been himself in the house; but I can only judge by what I've seen and because all of the other housemates have been either totally forgettable, not contributing anything; or they've been outright awful in the house, Jim by default is my favourite.

[MTVN]

It's not even just that though. There are a million other things wrong about him, and he's putting on an act in the house which I'm definitely not falling for

Didn't you say you weren't watching?

[Benjamin]

Thankfully as a country we tend not to eternally hold things against people that they did a good twenty years ago. Jim has been the first to admit in there on day 1 or 2 that he has had plenty of demons in his life, at that time he also spent years fighting alcoholism, why should we drag those things back up in order to judge him as a housemate?

Because that is what we all do and that is the nature of CBB.

[Kazanne]

Thankfully as a country we tend not to eternally hold things against people that they did a good twenty years ago. Jim has been the first to admit in there on day 1 or 2 that he has had plenty of demons in his life, at that time he also spent years fighting alcoholism, why should we drag those things back up in order to judge him as a housemate?

:worship::worship::worship:

[Patricia4]

He is just great, not interested in his past its now and in BB he's good.

[Amy Jade]

Thankfully as a country we tend not to eternally hold things against people that they did a good twenty years ago. Jim has been the first to admit in there on day 1 or 2 that he has had plenty of demons in his life, at that time he also spent years fighting alcoholism, why should we drag those things back up in order to judge him as a housemate?
We do?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/5/1349464828041/-Jimmy-Savile--010.jpg

[Me. I Am Salman]

Didn't you say you weren't watching?

I do since a few days ago

[Benjamin]

:worship::worship::worship:

Kazanne, say your husband abused you several times, you would be able to forgive him and support him in something like this?

[MTVN]

We do?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/5/1349464828041/-Jimmy-Savile--010.jpg

Don't see how that is comparable, Saville went his whole life sexually abusing dozens of young kids and got away with it, it's something that's only very recently come to light

[Me. I Am Salman]

Thankfully as a country we tend not to eternally hold things against people that they did a good twenty years ago. Jim has been the first to admit in there on day 1 or 2 that he has had plenty of demons in his life, at that time he also spent years fighting alcoholism, why should we drag those things back up in order to judge him as a housemate?

Oh please you supported Conor

[Northern Monkey]

This just seems like an attack on anyone who supports Jim tbh.If you don't like him then just don't vote to save him.Who other people support is their own business,It's one thing to have an opinion of a house mate but to accuse people who like him in the house as supporting domestic violence is just plain wrong.

[Benjamin]

Don't see how that is comparable, Saville went his whole life sexually abusing dozens of young kids and got away with it, it's something that's only very recently come to light

So in 20 years we will be able to forgive him? Yeah right.

[MTVN]

Oh please you supported Conor

What's that got to do with anything

[Benjamin]

This just seems like an attack on anyone who supports Jim tbh.If you don't like him then just don't vote to save him.Who other people support is their own business,It's one thing to have an opinion of a house mate but to accuse people who like him in the house as supporting domestic violence is just plain wrong.

I'm asking why people support him. No attack, I just don't understand.

[Z]

We do?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/5/1349464828041/-Jimmy-Savile--010.jpg

Nobody knew about that until after he'd died - he managed to have a long media career despite the fact some people knew about his crimes but they were kept hushed up, so yeah, I'd say we do. People forgave Michael Barrymore when he was on CBB even though a guy died at his house and was found in his swimming pool; why shouldn't Jim be afforded the same chance? Either he blows it and everyone who said he was a horrible wife beater was right; or he proves himself to be different to what the public imagined and he's allowed to move past it. The fact he's admitted to what he did in the past surely shows some growth in him as a person? Acceptance is the key...

[MTVN]

So in 20 years we will be able to forgive him? Yeah right.

Again that's missing the point that Saville got away with everything he did and never repented for it, Jim has held his hands up to what he did, admitted he's had a lot of demons and has tried to fight them

Plus what Saville did is obviously on another level

[Amy Jade]

Don't see how that is comparable, Saville went his whole life sexually abusing dozens of young kids and got away with it, it's something that's only very recently come to light

He's dead though and people are still going on about it, that's not very forgiving.

[Benjamin]

Again that's missing the point that Saville got away with everything he did and never repented for it, Jim has held his hands up to what he did, admitted he's had a lot of demons and has tried to fight them

Plus what Saville did is obviously on another level

Oh yeah I know what saville did was on another level, who even brought that up in here :laugh:

[Z]

Sometimes I speak/post and I wonder if I'm invisible :laugh:

[MTVN]

He's dead though and people are still going on about it, that's not very forgiving.

Why would anyone forgive a man who never had to face up to what he had done

[Amy Jade]

Why would anyone forgive a man who never had to face up to what he had done
Wonder is Jim's ex wife understands being beaten senseless then because it was so long ago

[sampvt]

Benjamin, did Jim really beat his wife, please tell us more, sounds like groundbreaking stuff to me.

[MTVN]

Sometimes I speak/post and I wonder if I'm invisible :laugh:

I appreciate your posts Zee, we just seem to be talking in one liners here atm and your posts don't meet that criteria

[Black Dagger]

What, who said that? I thought I heard something.

[Kazanne]

Kazanne, say your husband abused you several times, you would be able to forgive him and support him in something like this?

I would leave him and be really pissed with him at the time .but if I saw he found someone else and was trying to change and be a better person over time I would move on and support him if he was trying his best,I do know what it's like to be to witness domestic arguments(not mine thankfully) but people see red men and WOMEN and lash out ,they shouldn't but they do,Jims admitted what hes done,and he's married again so hopefully this time he's changed,none of us really know the ins and outs,I would think he's been punished for it,why the need to keep punishing him?

[MTVN]

Wonder is Jim's ex wife understands being beaten senseless then because it was so long ago

Not really for me to speculate

[Benjamin]

I would leave him and be really pissed with him at the time .but if I saw he found someone else and was trying to change and be a better person over time I would move on and support him if he was trying his best,I do know what it's like to be to witness domestic arguments(not mine thankfully) but people see red men and WOMEN and lash out ,they shouldn't but they do,Jims admitted what hes done,and he's married again so hopefully this time he's changed,none of us really know the ins and outs,I would think he's been punished for it,why the need to keep punishing him?

This is what I want (And Zee's answers). I wanted to know why people are supporting him. Fair enough.

[Haylei]

Question: was Jim ever punished for it? Besides media backlash.

[Kazanne]

I found this so far they were married TEN years so obviously they got on at some point
Jim Davidson




is facing a pounds 2million bill from his fourth divorce.

Tracy Hilton is formally ending their ten-year marriage after the comic admitted cheating on her with busty



TV hostess Debbie Corrigan.

The settlement will be Davidson's most expensive yet, and will almost certainly mean him losing his new pounds 1.4million Surrey mansion.

Ex-model Tracy, 31, is currently staying at the house with their three children. The couple bought the pad last year, with Jim telling friends it was the perfect home to restart their marriage.

Tracy, whose mother, Margaret, lives in a "granny cottage" in the grounds, will keep her pounds 75,000 Mercedes-Benz and Davidson may have to pay as much as pounds 15,000 a month in alimony.



"Tracy's primary concern is for the children and she's determined they will be taken care of by Jim," said a pal.

"She tried to make the marriage work, but Jim just can't say no to the ladies. It's his addiction. He has made it clear that he will not make waves over this. He's just as eager to get everything sorted."

The Mirror caught Davidson out after he spent the night with Debbie, 24, at Brighton's plush Grand Hotel. It put the final nail in the coffin of his marriage to Tracy, who supported him through his battle with the booze.

Davidson, the presenter of TV's Big Break began his latest fling when he cast Debbie as a fairy in his X-rated panto




, Sinderella.

He insisted: "I don't want people to look at me and Debs and think anything bad of her. My marriage was in terrible trouble and she just happened to be there. It's not right that Tracy and I should live with this unhappiness."

The pal added: "Jim is totally besotted




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with Debbie. But Tracy's devastated



."

[Z]

I appreciate your posts Zee, we just seem to be talking in one liners here atm and your posts don't meet that criteria

:laugh: I'm so wordy when it comes to debates, I can't keep things to less than at least one paragraph...

[Me. I Am Salman]

What's that got to do with anything

it implies delusion
could you justify Conor's behaviour?

[rionablue]

I have been struggling to understand the massive support for Jim also. He have done his time and got his counselling or whatever but a man should never EVER raise a hand to a woman and visa versa ( just in case ppl are saying why pick the man) It does happen in some instances that a woman is violent towards a man. I feel that much of Jims support for this eviction is because people hate Jas and Luisa and Liz is not a strong housemate. Even if I hated every single housemate in there and they were all up I would vote to save them rather than Jim. Domestic violence should not be accepted and even if its years ago and Jim is a 'reformed character' I would still struggle very much to support him and I know what I am talking about believe me x

[MTVN]

it implies delusion
could you justify Conor's behaviour?

Nah still don't see the relevance

[Kazanne]

I support Jim as what he did was over 20 years ago and he seems to have changed his life around ,so kudos to him for doing that,Jasmine and Sam are also violent,dont see the constant disapproval for them

[Z]

I have been struggling to understand the massive support for Jim also. He have done his time and got his counselling or whatever but a man should never EVER raise a hand to a woman and visa versa ( just in case ppl are saying why pick the man) It does happen in some instances that a woman is violent towards a man. I feel that much of Jims support for this eviction is because people hate Jas and Luisa and Liz is not a strong housemate. Even if I hated every single housemate in there and they were all up I would vote to save them rather than Jim. Domestic violence should not be accepted and even if its years ago and Jim is a 'reformed character' I would still struggle very much to support him and I know what I am talking about believe me x

:hug:

Personally I hope Jim, Jasmine and Luisa stay because I watch Big Brother to be entertained, to discuss what happens in the house and to have in depth debates about all sorts of things. Liz hasn't provided that for me. I'm "supporting" Jim because I don't find any redeemable qualities about most of the other housemates, who have done things in the house that have ranged from slightly unpleasant to full on nasty - whereas despite being grumpy and despite his past, Jim really hasn't said anything out of order without being provoked first and even then, he's kept it within an acceptable level - his spat with Luisa was started by Luisa, he didn't say anything worse than what she said about him and it didn't escalate to Dappy/Luisa levels. Liz, Sam and Ollie are generally accepted to be objectively the nicest housemates because they haven't done anything nasty to anyone in the house but then they also haven't done anything of interest either and personally I don't want people coasting to the final and possibly winning it because they kept quiet so they won it by default.

[Shaun]

I do wonder if there even IS a limit on what people are willing to overlook prior to a person entering a reality TV show. Ian Huntley? I mean he did it over a decade ago and it wasn't on TV so that's cool then if he goes in and calls Lynda Bellingham a "boring slag" right?

I'm just at a loss for words that people are willing to overlook such an obvious case of lifelong bigotry and hatred because he isn't as trashy as the others.

[reece(:]

The scary thing is he's an identified misogynist, and it's mostly women supporting him. And what makes it worse is that he confirmed he was putting on an act, the public have fell for it hook, line and sinker.

[sampvt]

Jim haters constantly drag his past up because that's all they can find on him apart from the boring old fart tag, which incidentally, like \jimmy Carr, he makes a living out of it.

[Benjamin]

Jim haters constantly drag his past up because that's all they can find on him apart from the boring old fart tag, which incidentally, like \jimmy Carr, he makes a living out of it.

It's a pretty horrible past to have.

[sampvt]

It's a pretty horrible past to have.

Being at the top of the tree for many decades, not years, takes a bit of doing. Most of the people you champion have wet ink on their first pay check still.

[Z]

It's a pretty horrible past to have.

It is his past though. So far in the house have we seen him do anything unwarranted and nasty? Personally I don't think so but I've not been able to keep up with all of the shows so I don't really know.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I get the whole idea of judging someone solely on their time in the house but certainly there's a point where there's too much to overlook. My thing with Jim is that as far as I'm concerned, his whole life and celebrity-dom is super sketchy and shady that he shouldn't have even been cast in the first place. This especially rings true when you factor in that he was initially supposed to be on CBB11 and would have to interact with Brian Dowling again.

[Z]

I get the whole idea of judging someone solely on their time in the house but certainly there's a point where there's too much to overlook. My thing with Jim is that as far as I'm concerned, his whole life and celebrity-dom is super sketchy and shady that he shouldn't have even been cast in the first place. This especially rings true when you factor in that he was initially supposed to be on CBB11 and would have to interact with Brian Dowling again.

I don't disagree with that view at all and I completely respect anyone who feels that Jim's past is too extreme to let go for the sake of an entertainment program. I certainly wouldn't want anyone who has been the victim of domestic violence to be upset with my casual support for Jim as a housemate.

[jet]

I found this so far they were married TEN years so obviously they got on at some point
Jim Davidson




is facing a pounds 2million bill from his fourth divorce.

Tracy Hilton is formally ending their ten-year marriage after the comic admitted cheating on her with busty



TV hostess Debbie Corrigan.

The settlement will be Davidson's most expensive yet, and will almost certainly mean him losing his new pounds 1.4million Surrey mansion.

Ex-model Tracy, 31, is currently staying at the house with their three children. The couple bought the pad last year, with Jim telling friends it was the perfect home to restart their marriage.

Tracy, whose mother, Margaret, lives in a "granny cottage" in the grounds, will keep her pounds 75,000 Mercedes-Benz and Davidson may have to pay as much as pounds 15,000 a month in alimony.



"Tracy's primary concern is for the children and she's determined they will be taken care of by Jim," said a pal.

"She tried to make the marriage work, but Jim just can't say no to the ladies. It's his addiction. He has made it clear that he will not make waves over this. He's just as eager to get everything sorted."

The Mirror caught Davidson out after he spent the night with Debbie, 24, at Brighton's plush Grand Hotel. It put the final nail in the coffin of his marriage to Tracy, who supported him through his battle with the booze.

Davidson, the presenter of TV's Big Break began his latest fling when he cast Debbie as a fairy in his X-rated panto




, Sinderella.

He insisted: "I don't want people to look at me and Debs and think anything bad of her. My marriage was in terrible trouble and she just happened to be there. It's not right that Tracy and I should live with this unhappiness."

The pal added: "Jim is totally besotted




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with Debbie. But Tracy's devastated



."

As you are a stanch supporter of Jim, did you post this to make him look better Kaz? I don't understand you at all, this proves what a w**ker he is.

[jet]

I support Jim as what he did was over 20 years ago and he seems to have changed his life around ,so kudos to him for doing that,Jasmine and Sam are also violent,dont see the constant disapproval for them

Oh FFS, can't you see the difference in someone giving someone a one - off slap and the deeper problem of domestic violence which affects innocent young children and deep emotional connections between married couples. Jesus......

[Kizzy]

No need to get all bent out of shape jet.
I can't support him due to his past, but others are more forgiving he may have changed he may not who knows?
His new squeeze is 24! thats a bit young for a 60yr old...:/

[Ammi]

..just putting the wife beating aside..(which I know is the topic..)..Jim is nothing that I personally admire in a person...and I think that what is annoying is that he's generalised as someone who was typical of his era which he is not at all...he was always a marmite person..yeah, I get that some people like/liked his humour and comedy style but equally a lot of people didn't and I personally never did...and that's fine because we don't all find the same things and comedians etc funny but the thing of 'of his time' type thing is just not so, anymore than you could say someone like Frankie Boyle for instance, represents today's humour...it's just his style of humour and some people like it and some people don't and there is no generalisation about it...it's all subjective to the individual person....

..but anyway, it wasn't from 'his time' when he was in Hell's kitchen and didn't show any change in his bigoted views...I guess it's interesting with the analogy to Chis Brown because people do have very fixed views about him and that would be hard to change them...he would have to do something for those views to be changed and that's just a natural thing that people do have personal things that they find abhorrent in someone, we all do...for me, Jim hasn't done anything in the house for me to change my opinion of him...I find his humour still quite sarcastic and personal...and it's just not really my thing..and I think he's extremely sexist, which again, Dappy was rightfully criticised for and I don't think it's any different for Jim or Lionel because for me, there is no 'age' that, that's expectable....


..anyway, I could go on but I won't..:laugh:...I will say one positive thing though..I don't personally think that Jim has shown any signs that he has changed at all, and that is a judgement of his time in the house..he's too contradictory, oh let's all live and let live/chill etc and then he'll throw something out there that's quite provocative to an argument and just walk away from it..but then he's not the only one to do that either...but if by being in the BB house and seeing his popularity etc does change him for the better as a person because he's encouraged by the support etc...then that's a good thing...but he still won't be funny..:laugh:...

..as for the wife beating thing, well there are many, many people out there who have had issues with alcohol etc and had bad times in their lives and have still never raised a hand in violence to another person and especially someone who has had trust in you, so that really doesn't equate for me...there is absolutely no 'excuse' that makes that acceptable...but yeah, in the house, just generally not really that impressed with him...

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I do wonder if there even IS a limit on what people are willing to overlook prior to a person entering a reality TV show. Ian Huntley? I mean he did it over a decade ago and it wasn't on TV so that's cool then if he goes in and calls Lynda Bellingham a "boring slag" right?

I'm just at a loss for words that people are willing to overlook such an obvious case of lifelong bigotry and hatred because he isn't as trashy as the others.

Couldn't have put it better my self, 100% agree with you, another thing people on here seem to he overlooking as well he is homophobic pig, the way he treated Brian Dowlan on Hells Kitchen was vile ....IMHO

[Macie Lightfoot]

Couldn't have put it better my self, 100% agree with you, another thing people on here seem to he overlooking as well he is homophobic pig, the way he treated Brian Dowlan on Hells Kitchen was vile ....IMHO

That's what makes him even more objectionable of a casting choice, especially when you consider that he was this close to entering a series Brian hosted

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

That's what makes him even more objectionable of a casting choice, especially when you consider that he was this close to entering a series Brian hosted

Exactly, I can't believe he's is favourite to win at the moment, can't understand why people would consider putting money on him.:devil:

[thesheriff443]

we are taught that forgiveness makes us a better person!

do I trust jim? hell no!, do I find him amusing?, yes.

we laugh at someone when they hurt them selves!.

to ben, life's a funny old game!

[Cherie]

The scary thing is he's an identified misogynist, and it's mostly women supporting him. And what makes it worse is that he confirmed he was putting on an act, the public have fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Reece we all interact every day with people who do not share our views, I have a friend who is an out and out racist, I also have family members who hold racist views and sexist views on women, that doesn't mean I cut them out of my life, mainly it means I just roll my eyes, or we have a bit of a debate about it. It is possible to know and get on with people who have completely different views and outlooks in life.

Interesting article here, even if it is from the DM if anyone cares to read it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1365921/Jim-Davidson-reformed-comedian-returns-wilderness.html

[Beso]

because i don't know about them or their past, feel free to make a thread. But jim is the 2nd fave to win this show and i am honestly shocked that people are backing somebody who has hit their wife several times, even it was in the past, he still did it and more than once.

he got help in dealing with his anger..he's a changed man..get over it.

[sampvt]

Why are people so consumed with Jims past. If memory serves me right, Nelson Mandela had a pretty chequered past and so did his wife Winnie. Are we to forget him now due to his past. I think not. Jim haters are just desperate to slag him off and his past is all they can see, its blinding them.

[Iceman]

Ive read through all this and all I can see is people saying look at his past...look at his past....move thw **** on...he hasnt personally done anything to anyone here....

[optimisticcynic]

I have been struggling to understand the massive support for Jim also. He have done his time and got his counselling or whatever but a man should never EVER raise a hand to a woman and visa versa ( just in case ppl are saying why pick the man) It does happen in some instances that a woman is violent towards a man. I feel that much of Jims support for this eviction is because people hate Jas and Luisa and Liz is not a strong housemate. Even if I hated every single housemate in there and they were all up I would vote to save them rather than Jim. Domestic violence should not be accepted and even if its years ago and Jim is a 'reformed character' I would still struggle very much to support him and I know what I am talking about believe me x

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

[Kyle]

Jim haters constantly drag his past up because that's all they can find on him apart from the boring old fart tag, which incidentally, like \jimmy Carr, he makes a living out of it.

To me there are few things worse a man can do than lay a finger on a woman. Alcoholism or not there is no excuse. I find it very hard to attach myself to a man that has done that I don't care how long ago it was and what he does in the house.

[Cherie]

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

Great post.

[HBB1508]

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

:worship:

[sampvt]

People still going on about it, this wife beating thing is getting beyond boring. Anyone would think he kicked the living **** out of her. It was a slap driven or fuelled by extreme alchohol abuse and it does not condone it, I know, but in some ways he has changed and that's hard. Give the guy a break and applaud him for changing.

[Niamh.]

I think as far as situations in the house occurred, i think he's handled himself well, he's walked away from confrontation and people blatantly trying to get a rise out of him (Jasmine and Linda spring to mind) I hope it's a way he's learned to deal with his temper and that he's changed who he was. That being said I would never support him to win because of his past.

[Jesus.]

This thread title fits perfectly into the Nelly Furtado "Maneater" song.

http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/100greatestcharacters/photos/20.jpg

And that's all I gots to say about that.

[Slevin]

i dont like Jim but im fine with people wanting to support him as a HM. i just cant.
Why are people so consumed with Jims past. If memory serves me right, Nelson Mandela had a pretty chequered past and so did his wife Winnie. Are we to forget him now due to his past. I think not. Jim haters are just desperate to slag him off and his past is all they can see, its blinding them.
can say the same for the Luisa haters on here as well or anyone in a series that gets a lot of air time. even the smallest of things to nit pick.

[bez87]

he's such a two faced lying man, is there support for him honestly??? he is horrid, i mean he knew about lee and jasmine in that toilet no doubt about it, but to casey he didn't say nothing or warn her, he plays one game with one person and later on he tells the other person the complete opposite, he's so two faced and grumpy it's untrue, i hope he leaves

[Niamh.]

he's such a two faced lying man, is there support for him honestly??? he is horrid, i mean he knew about lee and jasmine in that toilet no doubt about it, but to casey he didn't say nothing or warn her, he plays one game with one person and later on he tells the other person the complete opposite, he's so two faced and grumpy it's untrue, i hope he leaves

in his defense there though maybe he didn't want to be the one to hurt her feelings or maybe he just wanted no involvement in the triangle saga?

[joeysteele]

I didn't want to comment on this thread because I do understand the total opposites as to opinions there are as to Jim and aI have said a fair bit already as to him.
I feel however I want to answer for my part as to Jim and the sort of question put as to why I don't mind being seen as supporting him so far in the house and voting to keep him in.

I do believe that people can change and need to be given the chance to change, if they do set out to change their behaviour then I give some credit to that.
I cannot say I liked Jim Davidson that much before he went in the house, I like some of his comedy and am not keen on most of it.
I had to make a conscious effort as I do with near all housemates, to judge him solely on what he is like as a housemate.

This thread title really ought to read he 'was' a wife beater.I haven't heard of any more incidents as to the one reported a good while ago now.
I have read bits about that period of his life and of course totally deplore what he did,I doubt anyone would not.
However, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors with lots of people, we could in ignorance of having no knowledge, be praising people and celebs who are really as bad or even worse than Jim was.

He is in a new marriage now, he seems happy enough as does his current family do too. He sought help for his problems and maybe they have succeeded.
True, he is grumpy, that isn't in itself a crime, he doesn't like some people so makes put down comments as to them, that is not a crime either.
I don't like Cheryl Cole for example,I have my direct reasons for that and if around her, I would be far from pleasant as to her or about her, every chance I get I would make a put down comment as to her,does that make me a bad and grumpy person, not eligible to be liked.
I would say it didn't in any way.
While in a CBB house,if she ever were to go in,I would initially see how she acted there.

Jim is,in my view, being himself in the house, it may well be he has learned to control the nastier elements as to getting physical with anyone but like all of them he has the right to be disgruntled and miserable if he so wishes with those and the things that go on in the house.I likely would too.
The most miserable in there is Linda,I don't like her because she went in there,in my opinion, with an agenda if Jim was in the house too, to provoke him.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt but she showed her true colours, by 'not' taking Jim aside to say he had upset her and then saying so to the other women in there and allowing him to be pulled up in front of them, for me that showed her nasty, devious and vindictive side.
She was first to do that, not him.
I also think had Jim not been there she would have had to get at someone else too to play the victim as her Sister did near all her series.

As a housemate,(while never condoning in any way any past rotten behaviour), I have found Jim to be entertaining.
Far more than most and certainly better than the boring,epic running nonsense of the love triangle.
So as a housemate, he has made me warm to him,far from my own thoughts as to him before he went in.
I have seen little from him that he has done that is really bad in the house at all.
That is what I am judging him on now and that is what I try to do all the time.

Such as,I had a dread of Frankie Cocoza going in the house after his reputation on X factor and other things outside the house.
Again with him,I found him to be a really good housemate too as I find Jim to be.

If we believe people are incapable of change, then there would be little point in anyone trying to change.
The Kitchen show has been mentioned, on that, Jim certainly could not control his temper or hold back on his tongue when he needed to as well.
His time in the BB house is a big contrast to that show and as to his control of his temper etc;.
I give him credit for that and that is why I will vote to keep him in, why I am enjoying most of his actions as a housemate and even why I wouldn't begrudge him winning it either.

He isn't someone I would likely get along with myself but I don't need to, I am watching a show and he isn't doing any great wrong in it.
I said this elsewhere, he has had allegations made against him for over a year now and those serious allegations have been dropped and there is, it is reported, no action going to be taken.
Things like that can make you think and change and reflect on your life,it may well be he is using this BB as a way to try to mend some of his bad reputation and from all that has been seen so far, other than his grumpiness,I have to say the temper and really vile insults have not been apparant at all.
For that too, I give him credit as to his time in CBB.
At any rate 'so far'.

[Ammi]

People still going on about it, this wife beating thing is getting beyond boring. Anyone would think he kicked the living **** out of her. It was a slap driven or fuelled by extreme alchohol abuse and it does not condone it, I know, but in some ways he has changed and that's hard. Give the guy a break and applaud him for changing.

..it wasn't a slap though, not even close to being a slap, and I also would applaud anyone who had done something similar but then reassessed their lives/behaviour and shown a change but even after many years, he showed no change in another reality TV show and so far for me, he hasn't shown that he has changed in the BB house..I'm sure that others will see anything he does differently to how I do but then I guess that we all look for different things in the housemates we support and have different reasons for supporting them etc...

[Kazanne]

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

Great post,NONE of us are perfect,it's easy to sit here pontificating on someones past and how people should behave,people in glass houses and all that,WE don't know.WE weren't there,its done its past,so why are people still bringing it up and STILL nothing said about Jasmine and Sams violent past,WHY?,Jims ex wifes new partner also threatened to have him knee capped and killed !!! so it seems Jim probably wasn't the only violent one she hooked up to.

[coolface]

the best hm

[Ammi]

Great post,NONE of us are perfect,it's easy to sit here pontificating on someones past and how people should behave,people in glass houses and all that,WE don't know.WE weren't there,its done its past,so why are people still bringing it up and STILL nothing said about Jasmine and Sams violent past,WHY?,Jims ex wifes new partner also threatened to have him knee capped and killed !!! so it seems Jim probably wasn't the only violent one she hooked up to.

..yeah, none of us are perfect and everyone has flaws but some flaws are more extreme than others...and it's perfectly natural to discuss it, in the same way that other celebrities are discussed and any opinions about them...as people have said...how can Lee and Jasmine have feelings for each other in such a short time or Casey have felt the way she did etc...it's only been a week or so of Jim being in the house and it just isn't enough time for many people to have changed their opinion of him or to see him as a 'changed person'...some people are seeing something positive in him, and that's cool but not everyone is...

[MeMyselfAndI]

I didn't know he was a wife beater, thats changed my opinion of him

[Kazanne]

I didn't know he was a wife beater, thats changed my opinion of him

Hope your ready to change you mind about Jasmine and Sam aswell then:hugesmile: both have been violent .

[Vanessa]

I like him. He's a great housemate. He seems to have changed. Everyone deserves a second chance.

[Beso]

Hope your ready to change you mind about Jasmine and Sam aswell then:hugesmile: both have been violent .

got to laugh at one of his favourites being one spiedie as well, considering how violent he was.:joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Hope your ready to change you mind about Jasmine and Sam aswell then:hugesmile: both have been violent .

You're probably someone who thinks white people can experience racism

[Kazanne]

You're probably someone who thinks white people can experience racism

And your probably someone who thinks he's a smart arse:nono:!

[Kyle]

Great post,NONE of us are perfect,it's easy to sit here pontificating on someones past and how people should behave,people in glass houses and all that,WE don't know.WE weren't there,its done its past,so why are people still bringing it up and STILL nothing said about Jasmine and Sams violent past,WHY?,Jims ex wifes new partner also threatened to have him knee capped and killed !!! so it seems Jim probably wasn't the only violent one she hooked up to.

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

[Kazanne]

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

Ok Kyle,that's your opinion,I have mine,you can have a negative view on anything My God I have some myself,but I think to equate it with murderers and sex offenders is way ott,you don't like him,I don't mind him so far,simple as that.

[Kyle]

Ok Kyle,that's your opinion,I have mine,you can have a negative view on anything My God I have some myself,but I think to equate it with murderers and sex offenders is way ott,you don't like him,I don't mind him so far,simple as that.

I didn't equate it to murders and sex offenders I used it to show that even though we aren't perfect like you said some things are beyond the average lay person and domestic violence is one of those things.

Woe betide the day when slapping your woman is just a generally accepted thing.

[Niamh.]

People still going on about it, this wife beating thing is getting beyond boring. Anyone would think he kicked the living **** out of her. It was a slap driven or fuelled by extreme alchohol abuse and it does not condone it, I know, but in some ways he has changed and that's hard. Give the guy a break and applaud him for changing.

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

[Northern Monkey]

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

Murder and sex offences are on a whole different level to Jim having a scrap with the misses tbh.A little perspective i think is needed here.

[Kyle]

Murder and sex offences are on a whole different level to Jim having a scrap with the misses tbh.A little perspective i think is needed here.

Did you not read what i said about why I used those examples?

I used them to show that even though we aren't perfect we are allowed to judge people for things that are beyond what lay people commit.

[optimisticcynic]

Dos that mean we can't have a negative view of sex offenders or murderers because we might have stole a packet of chewing gum when we were 10?

Fact of the matter is I'm disgusted at men who raise their hands to women, there is no excuse for it and I don't care how long ago it was.

Noone should raise their hand to anyone, but I struggle with the outdated sentiment that a man should never raise his hand/voice to a woman, whilst attacking Dappy for his inability to acknowledge equality. Made me chuckle during the Dappy/Luisa argument: everyone acknowledged he was wrong for saying women could not do what men do, whilst stating that a "real man" would have walked away when she stood screaming in his face.

[Kazanne]

I didn't equate it to murders and sex offenders I used it to show that even though we aren't perfect like you said some things are beyond the average lay person and domestic violence is one of those things.

Woe betide the day when slapping your woman is just a generally accepted thing.

I would think he's been dealt with by the law,so who am I to keep judging him?Why is he not allowed to try and right his mistakes?

[Niamh.]

Noone should raise their hand to anyone, but I struggle with the outdated sentiment that a man should never raise his hand/voice to a woman, whilst attacking Dappy for his inability to acknowledge equality. Made me chuckle during the Dappy/Luisa argument: everyone acknowledged he was wrong for saying women could not do what men do, whilst stating that a "real man" would have walked away when she stood screaming in his face.

You're right no one should raise a hand to anyone absolutely but I think it seems worse when it's a man against a woman because of the obvious physical differences, that's biological and never going to be equal, men, generally speaking are alot stronger than women and a woman would find it very difficult to defend herself against a man who was attacking her

[Kazanne]

You're right no one should raise a hand to anyone absolutely but I think it seems worse when it's a man against a woman because of the obvious physical differences, that's biological and never going to be equal, men, generally speaking are alot stronger than women and a woman would find it very difficult to defend herself against a man who was attacking her

I'll be honest here,I had a couple of fights with an ex boyfriend years ago and in that situation you just don't think,I had a shiner and he had lump on his head when I hit him with a empty milk bottle,I was mortified I had done that as I think myself as a peaceful person,but sometimes anger does strange things to people,We still bump into each other sometimes and laugh about the fact the bottle didn't break! don't see any point in holding hate for him as I was as bad.

[Kyle]

You're right no one should raise a hand to anyone absolutely but I think it seems worse when it's a man against a woman because of the obvious physical differences, that's biological and never going to be equal, men, generally speaking are alot stronger than women and a woman would find it very difficult to defend herself against a man who was attacking her

This is my view on it. And wether never laying a hand on a woman is an outdated sentiment or not nowadays to me it is still a noble one and I am quite happy to conform to it.

[optimisticcynic]

You're right no one should raise a hand to anyone absolutely but I think it seems worse when it's a man against a woman because of the obvious physical differences, that's biological and never going to be equal, men, generally speaking are alot stronger than women and a woman would find it very difficult to defend herself against a man who was attacking her

Some women are bigger than men. Is it ok for a short man to ht a tall woman? I think the sentiment behind the notion is exactly the one that people complain is misogynistic. If I made an announcement that women shouldn't be in the army as they would be disadvantaged in hand-to-hand combat, I would rightly be set-upon. If people are going to live by their holier-than-thou diatribe, they shouldn't be selective. People shouldn't abuse people, but I refuse to accept that I have less right to be vocal obstinate and invasive of another's personal space than a woman (Luisa) due to the fact that I am male. Dappy's tiny anyway, but stature clearly wasn't the consderation when he was lambasted. Even Luisa mocked him for being a "little man rying to be a gangster".

[Kyle]

I would think he's been dealt with by the law,so who am I to keep judging him?Why is he not allowed to try and right his mistakes?

Maybe so but we are judged as people by our deeds in life. In my eyes there is no excuse for what he did to that and that is why I don't like him.

I'll be honest here,I had a couple of fights with an ex boyfriend years ago and in that situation you just don't think,I had a shiner and he had lump on his head when I hit him with a empty milk bottle,I was mortified I had done that as I think myself as a peaceful person,but sometimes anger does strange things to people,We still bump into each other sometimes and laugh about the fact the bottle didn't break! don't see any point in holding hate for him as I was as bad.

We all have had moments in the heat of the moment. Everybody has been in situations where things can boil over but it's a poor defence for a man for 'the red mist' to suddenly descend on him.

[Jesus.]

Some women are bigger than men. Is it ok for a short man to ht a tall woman? I think the sentiment behind the notion is exactly the one that people complain is misogynistic. If I made an announcement that women shouldn't be in the army as they would be disadvantaged in hand-to-hand combat, I would rightly be set-upon. If people are going to live by their holier-than-thou diatribe, they shouldn't be selective. People shouldn't abuse people, but I refuse to accept that I have less right to be vocal obstinate and invasive of another's personal space than a woman (Luisa) due to the fact that I am male. Dappy's tiny anyway, but stature clearly wasn't the consderation when he was lambasted. Even Luisa mocked him for being a "little man rying to be a gangster".

Great point. Hitting big women is cool. I try to only punch women who are over 6ft1", because those bitches deserve it the most.

[Kyle]

Some women are bigger than men. Is it ok for a short man to ht a tall woman? I think the sentiment behind the notion is exactly the one that people complain is misogynistic. If I made an announcement that women shouldn't be in the army as they would be disadvantaged in hand-to-hand combat, I would rightly be set-upon. If people are going to live by their holier-than-thou diatribe, they shouldn't be selective. People shouldn't abuse people, but I refuse to accept that I have less right to be vocal obstinate and invasive of another's personal space than a woman (Luisa) due to the fact that I am male. Dappy's tiny anyway, but stature clearly wasn't the consderation when he was lambasted. Even Luisa mocked him for being a "little man rying to be a gangster".

This is why Niamh said in general. You can't discount the obvious physical differences IN GENERAL between women and men just because one woman out of the hundred is 6 ft 4 and one other man happens to be 5 ft 3 and in a wheelchair so she could beat him up.

[Niamh.]

Some women are bigger than men. Is it ok for a short man to ht a tall woman? I think the sentiment behind the notion is exactly the one that people complain is misogynistic. If I made an announcement that women shouldn't be in the army as they would be disadvantaged in hand-to-hand combat, I would rightly be set-upon. If people are going to live by their holier-than-thou diatribe, they shouldn't be selective. People shouldn't abuse people, but I refuse to accept that I have less right to be vocal obstinate and invasive of another's personal space than a woman (Luisa) due to the fact that I am male. Dappy's tiny anyway, but stature clearly wasn't the consderation when he was lambasted. Even Luisa mocked him for being a "little man rying to be a gangster".

I did say generally speaking and it's not just size, it's muscle mass, men have more whether they're tall or small or whatever, that's a fact. Again, i do agree with you that no one should hit anyone, but I do think it's worse when a stronger person attacks someone weaker yeah, and *generally* speaking most men are stronger then most women

[optimisticcynic]

This is my view on it. And wether never laying a hand on a woman is an outdated sentiment or not nowadays to me it is still a noble one and I am quite happy to conform to it.

Dappy could extend that sense of nobility to the belief that the female sex is a more precious and morally pure gender than males and thus, their sexual conduct is expected to reflect this. But that would be misogynistic. When is it permissible to reject implications of current/modern political correctness? I struggle with aspects as well so this is no assault SM, but it does befuddle me at times as to how we attack others, oblivious to the implications of what we ourselves do and say everyday. I open doors for women and let them sit if I'm standing, but am always aware of what I'm ultimately suggesting and would think they were right if they did bollock me for being a rude arse.

[Ammi]

Some women are bigger than men. Is it ok for a short man to ht a tall woman? I think the sentiment behind the notion is exactly the one that people complain is misogynistic. If I made an announcement that women shouldn't be in the army as they would be disadvantaged in hand-to-hand combat, I would rightly be set-upon. If people are going to live by their holier-than-thou diatribe, they shouldn't be selective. People shouldn't abuse people, but I refuse to accept that I have less right to be vocal obstinate and invasive of another's personal space than a woman (Luisa) due to the fact that I am male. Dappy's tiny anyway, but stature clearly wasn't the consderation when he was lambasted. Even Luisa mocked him for being a "little man rying to be a gangster".

..but this is about specifics about Jim and what he's done and the physical injuries to his wife, who wasn't far bigger than him or able to overpower him...

[Ammi]

Great point. Hitting big women is cool. I try to only punch women who are over 6ft1", because those bitches deserve it the most.

..yeah, they shouldn't really grow above 5'6''..:laugh:...

[Kyle]

Dappy could extend that sense of nobility to the belief that the female sex is a more precious and morally pure gender than males and thus, their sexual conduct is expected to reflect this. But that would be misogynistic. When is it permissible to reject implications of current/modern political correctness? I struggle with aspects as well so this is no assault SM, but it does befuddle me at times as to how we attack others, oblivious to the implications of what we ourselves do and say everyday. I open doors for women and let them sit if I'm standing, but am always aware of what I'm ultimately suggesting and would think they were right if they did bollock me for being a rude arse.

I understand the concept you are arguing mate and I have been conflicted with this on occasion too.

The way I see it now is it's just good manners and noble for me to open doors for women or let them have your seat on a bus. Ok you might get the odd woman have a go and call you a chauvinist (never happened to me personally) but I think the vast majority of women will see it for what it is which is good decorum and virtue. Don't you ever get women tell you that not enough men are like this nowadays?

I personally have no problem with the rule of never hitting a woman mostly for the reasons Niamh has elegantly put forward. We may strive for equality between the sexes and that's great but ultimately there will still be physical discrepancies between the genders and that's the way I look at it now mate.

[optimisticcynic]

..but this is about specifics about Jim and what he's done and the physical injuries to his wife, who wasn't far bigger than him or able to overpower him...

I disapprove of what he did to another person, not on the man-to-woman basis, as I feel it would be equally as disgraceful had it been to another man. I intentionally make this decision to see if I can practice the equality that I preach and it is exhausting. Next step, I will tell my missus to take the rubbish out herself as it's her blimming week.

I hope he has learnt or is learning from what he was, but he may/may not. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I have not yet been disappointed. Maybe further down the line, maybe not.

[coolface]

I understand the concept you are arguing mate and I have been conflicted with this on occasion too.

The way I see it now is it's just good manners and noble for me to open doors for women or let them have your seat on a bus. Ok you might get the odd woman have a go and call you a chauvinist (never happened to me personally) but I think the vast majority of women will see it for what it is which is good decorum and virtue. Don't you ever get women tell you that not enough men are like this nowadays?

I personally have no problem with the rule of never hitting a woman mostly for the reasons Niamh has elegantly put forward. We may strive for equality between the sexes and that's great but ultimately there will still be physical discrepancies between the genders and that's the way I look at it now mate.do you seriously give up your set on the bus just because it's a woman?

lmao strong white knight

[Kyle]

do you seriously give up your set on the bus just because it's a woman?

lmao strong white knight

Women, elderly, very young kids, people with lots of shopping. Just seemed the right thing to do.:shrug:

[optimisticcynic]

do you seriously give up your set on the bus just because it's a woman?

lmao strong white knight

"strong white knight" - there's a whole new thread! Am reading "blink" by macolm gladwell and it has me all obsessed with the power of language and its implications. Always food for thought on this forum. Need Big Brother all year round!

[Ammi]

I disapprove of what he did to another person, not on the man-to-woman basis, as I feel it would be equally as disgraceful had it been to another man. I intentionally make this decision to see if I can practice the equality that I preach and it is exhausting. Next step, I will tell my missus to take the rubbish out herself as it's her blimming week.

I hope he has learnt or is learning from what he was, but he may/may not. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I have not yet been disappointed. Maybe further down the line, maybe not.

...oh, I hope she takes her turn and takes the rubbish out next week, then...:laugh:..

[Niamh.]

Women, elderly, very young kids, people with lots of shopping. Just seemed the right thing to do.:shrug:

aww Kyle, such a gent :love:

[optimisticcynic]

...oh, I hope she takes her turn and takes the rubbish out next week, then...:laugh:..

If I disappear after today, you need to tell the authorities what happened.:laugh:

[Kyle]

aww Kyle, such a gent :love:

Thanks fair maiden :cat:

There was this one time I was going to college and I had a bad morning and I didn't get up near the back, leaving this elderly woman to stand for the remainder of the journey. Felt guilty all day, I probably just did it so i didn't need to feel bad :hugesmile:

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

To me there are few things worse a man can do than lay a finger on a woman. Alcoholism or not there is no excuse. I find it very hard to attach myself to a man that has done that I don't care how long ago it was and what he does in the house.

Very well said absolutely agree

[Kyle]

If I disappear after today, you need to tell the authorities what happened.:laugh:

Just don't you lay a finger on her! :hugesmile:

Take your impending murder with manly dignity. :elephant:

[arista]

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.


Yes he did not get on with that one
He now has a Younger Lady

So thats all in the past.

[optimisticcynic]

Just don't you lay a finger on her! :hugesmile:

Take your impending murder with manly dignity. :elephant:

Will even chop some wood and build a fire beforehand in case she decides to burn my corpse. She can wash the knives once she's pulled them out of me as that's her job...

[Kyle]

Will even chop some wood and build a fire beforehand in case she decides to burn my corpse. She can wash the knives once she's pulled them out of me as that's her job...

That's the spirit. :hugesmile:

[Z]

Great point. Hitting big women is cool. I try to only punch women who are over 6ft1", because those bitches deserve it the most.

I properly just LOLed at this :laugh2:

[jet]

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

I personally think that a man who could do those things to the mother of his children has an intrinsically nasty nature that can maybe be curbed, but not changed. Not to mention his self confessed chauvinism, his 'past' homophobia and racism etc.
However, I can understand that some want to give him the benefit of the doubt and that is fine.
What I don’t get is the over – the – top support for him and how to some he can do no wrong in the house. I have seen him being snide, manipulative and two faced yet his supporters never see this – as I said in another thread:

His unpopularity in the house is Linda's fault, Luisa's fault, Jasmine's fault, Lionel's fault. It's a lack of sleep, it's the noise etc etc etc.
Nothing is ever Jim's fault. He is never responsible for the way others perceive him. Everything they do is wrong and he is always right.
Poor Jim.


He is being made out as some kind of poor saintly victim. For a man with his history it’s quite incomprehensible to a lot of people that he isn’t just given the benefit of the doubt but is admired and applauded for what exactly? – keeping his temper under control and not lashing out at someone? What a changed man!
It’s not as if he is even that likeable – he’s miserable and not very entertaining. The other HM’s obviously aren’t keen on him as they have nearly all nominated him. So what is making people support him so passionately and part with their hard earned money to vote for him?

It’s puzzling for sure.

[Bojangles]

How long ago did It happen?

Nearly 40 years ago.

[chuff me dizzy]

We should judge housemates on what they are like IN the house, not out of it

[Josy]

People seem to be getting mixed up with Jim's wives in here not surprising really though, he's been married 5 times.

Jet - the wife that wrote about the domestic abuse wasn't the mother of his children, they were only married about 6 months I think and never had any kids.

Kazanne - The wife you posted about was a previous one, not the one that wrote about the domestic abuse.

Kizzy - His current wife of 4 years is 43 not 24.

This was his marriages starting from most recent, I bolded the one that wrote about the domestic abuse.

Michelle Cotton
(m. 2010)

Tracy Hilton
(m. 1990–2000)

Alison Holloway
(m. 1987–1988)

Julie Gullick
(m. 1981–1986)

Sue Walpole
(m. 1971–1972)


I judge housemates the way they are in the house.

[Z]

Cheers for that Josy, I myself wasn't clear on Jim's personal life so glad to have clarification!

[Lee.]

Have any of his other wives accused him of abuse?
Was he charged with the abuse?

[jet]

We should judge housemates on what they are like IN the house, not out of it

Since when? Seems that sentiment applies only to Jim. :rolleyes:

[Lee.]

Since when? Seems that sentiment applies only to Jim. :rolleyes:

Michael Barrymore had a shady history in the media, but everybody loved him

[Josy]

Since when? Seems that sentiment applies only to Jim. :rolleyes:

That's not really true Jet I have read at least 3 posts today alone saying people should judge Luisa as a housemate and nothing more.

[Z]

Michael Barrymore had a shady history in the media, but everybody loved him

I brought that up in a thread last night and nobody acknowledged me... Michael Barrymore was accused of being involved in a guy's death and he came out of CBB with a brilliant public image; why are people quick to forgive him but not Jim? Is it because Jim's grumpy? I try to judge everyone based on what I see in the house.

[Josy]

I brought that up in a thread last night and nobody acknowledged me... Michael Barrymore was accused of being involved in a guy's death and he came out of CBB with a brilliant public image; why are people quick to forgive him but not Jim? Is it because Jim's grumpy? I try to judge everyone based on what I see in the house.

I think it's because he's clashing with other favourites, it always seems to happen.

[Z]

I think it's because he's clashing with other favourites, it always seems to happen.

Didn't think of that, that's a good point

[Lee.]

I brought that up in a thread last night and nobody acknowledged me... Michael Barrymore was accused of being involved in a guy's death and he came out of CBB with a brilliant public image; why are people quick to forgive him but not Jim? Is it because Jim's grumpy? I try to judge everyone based on what I see in the house.

Not forgetting he assaulted his wife...

[Livia]

I can't find details of any actual charges brought against Jim Davidson for domestic abuse. Anyone seen any actual details of that?

[Z]

Not forgetting he assaulted his wife...

:tongue: It just strikes me as a bit odd that people are happy to support a guy who was accused of murder/manslaughter of a guy who died at his house yet it's all guns blazing for a guy who admitted to domestic abuse many years ago. Is it because of the admission of guilt? Fair enough if it is... but I appreciate his honesty, he's very frank about everything from his past to his opinions in the house.

[Lee.]

I can't find details of any actual charges brought against Jim Davidson for domestic abuse. Anyone seen any actual details of that?

I couldn't either Livia.

[Lee.]

:tongue: It just strikes me as a bit odd that people are happy to support a guy who was accused of murder/manslaughter of a guy who died at his house yet it's all guns blazing for a guy who admitted to domestic abuse many years ago. Is it because of the admission of guilt? Fair enough if it is... but I appreciate his honesty, he's very frank about everything from his past to his opinions in the house.

I meant Barrymore assaulted his wife!

[Josy]

I can't find details of any actual charges brought against Jim Davidson for domestic abuse. Anyone seen any actual details of that?

I couldn't find any either, google just kept taking me back to the one page about it.

[Livia]

I couldn't either Livia.

So, he was obviously tried by the scorned ex and the media... I see now why some people are running with it. Thanks Lee.

[Niamh.]

I can't find details of any actual charges brought against Jim Davidson for domestic abuse. Anyone seen any actual details of that?

I believe he actually admitted it himself so I don't see how it matters whether or not he was charged, it did happen

[Livia]

I couldn't find any either, google just kept taking me back to the one page about it.

I think we've got to assume no charges were brought then, or it'd have been all over the tabloids for a start...

[chuff me dizzy]

That's not really true Jet I have read at least 3 posts today alone saying people should judge Luisa as a housemate and nothing more.

Id never seen or heard of Luisa before CBB, and my dislike of her is based solely on her in the house ,as it should be with everyone ,I was a BIG Lee fan before he went in ,cannot bear him now

[Livia]

I believe he actually admitted it himself so I don't see how it matters whether or not he was charged, it did happen

You believe he admitted it, or you know he admitted it? I can't find anything about it apart from ex-wives accusations. In any case, people must be allowed to change.

[jet]

That's not really true Jet I have read at least 3 posts today alone saying people should judge Luisa as a housemate and nothing more.

Yes, other HM's are being judged on their past too. Good to see some people are not just saying that you shouldn't judge Jim - though I have also seen posts from people judging Luisa's past and then saying Jim's past shouldn't be judged!

Thanks for clarifying the wife situation. Makes one wonder though why he can't hold a marriage together.

[Beso]

This is a good interview he has given.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1365921/Jim-Davidson-reformed-comedian-returns-wilderness.html

[Niamh.]

You believe he admitted it, or you know he admitted it? I can't find anything about it apart from ex-wives accusations. In any case, people must be allowed to change.

Oh Livia, I felt like I was in the witness box just then :laugh:

I read it here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Davidson_(comedian)#Autobiography

In Davidson's first autobiography The Full Monty[34] (1993), he frankly talked about his violent and abusive behaviour towards his wife in a light-hearted manner: "We’re like a couple of boxers. On the first occasion, I poked her in the eye by accident. I actually went for the mouth. Thank heaven I missed, I’d have fallen in. I just took a playful punch. Unfortunately I caught her completely wrong. The second time I gave her a shiner. I threw a bunch of keys which whacked her in the eye. Just for a giggle she kept blackening it up to make it look worse."

[Livia]

Oh Livia, I felt like I was in the witness box just then :laugh:

I read it here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Davidson_(comedian)#Autobiography

In Davidson's first autobiography The Full Monty[34] (1993), he frankly talked about his violent and abusive behaviour towards his wife in a light-hearted manner: "We’re like a couple of boxers. On the first occasion, I poked her in the eye by accident. I actually went for the mouth. Thank heaven I missed, I’d have fallen in. I just took a playful punch. Unfortunately I caught her completely wrong. The second time I gave her a shiner. I threw a bunch of keys which whacked her in the eye. Just for a giggle she kept blackening it up to make it look worse."


I've got my wig on you know... I always wear it for getting stroppy on here.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him, and I don't have time for wife (or husband) beaters. But he's admitted it and says his life has moved on. You can't keep beating someone up for the same thing if they've turned their life around.

[chuff me dizzy]

I couldn't find any either, google just kept taking me back to the one page about it.

I just wikied him nothing on there ?:conf:

[Kazanne]

People seem to be getting mixed up with Jim's wives in here not surprising really though, he's been married 5 times.

Jet - the wife that wrote about the domestic abuse wasn't the mother of his children, they were only married about 6 months I think and never had any kids.

Kazanne - The wife you posted about was a previous one, not the one that wrote about the domestic abuse.

Kizzy - His current wife of 4 years is 43 not 24.

This was his marriages starting from most recent, I bolded the one that wrote about the domestic abuse.

Michelle Cotton
(m. 2010)

Tracy Hilton
(m. 1990–2000)

Alison Holloway
(m. 1987–1988)

Julie Gullick
(m. 1981–1986)

Sue Walpole
(m. 1971–1972)


I judge housemates the way they are in the house.

So I wonder what was different with that one?

[Kazanne]

I brought that up in a thread last night and nobody acknowledged me... Michael Barrymore was accused of being involved in a guy's death and he came out of CBB with a brilliant public image; why are people quick to forgive him but not Jim? Is it because Jim's grumpy? I try to judge everyone based on what I see in the house.

Nice and fair post Zee:hugesmile:

[Kazanne]

I can't find details of any actual charges brought against Jim Davidson for domestic abuse. Anyone seen any actual details of that?

No,I looked Livia there's nothing I could find.

[Beso]

google the ex wife.

[Beso]

the ex wife...Alison..

She was married and divorced three times before the age of 27, once memorably to comedian Jim Davidson




.

[Beso]

That liaison - made not so much in heaven but in some asylum for the terminally insane - lasted 11 months before disintegrating in a haze of booze and brawling.

"Yes, I've been around the block a few times," Alison tells you with an understandable edge of feeling in her voice.

Now, 10 years on, she has remarried and become a mother for the first time.

But her relationship with Davidson - which she describes as "the biggest mistake in my life" - could easily have found its way on to one of Don King's boxing promotions. At one stage Alison appeared with two black eyes. In his autobiography, Davidson says she gave as good as she got.

"That's absolute b***s," Alison says. "Jim saying I hit him is like O J Simpson accusing his wife of abuse. I hear Jim has stopped drinking now, but he was an alcoholic when I married him, and that says it all, doesn't it?"

[Jesus.]

It's funny when he does that Jamaican voice though.

[arista]

It's funny when he does that Jamaican voice though.


yes its a joke
not a attack

[Robodog]

.

I think the reason that people are supporting Jim is because they are judging him simply by his performance on Big Brother. I guess that most people aren't interested in drumming up some dodgy bit of gossip from the past and all ganging up and punishing him for it like some deranged online lynch mob.

It's a TV show not a wild west courtroom.

[joeysteele]

I've got my wig on you know... I always wear it for getting stroppy on here.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him, and I don't have time for wife (or husband) beaters. But he's admitted it and says his life has moved on. You can't keep beating someone up for the same thing if they've turned their life around.

I love all your posts as to this issue, full respect from me to you for them too.

If I had been someone who was holding his past against him, the things you have said would have made me think very hard and likely change my mind I believe,speaking for myself that is.
Especially the part of your last post I have highlighted in bold.
Really well said Livia.

[Cherie]

This is a good interview he has given.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1365921/Jim-Davidson-reformed-comedian-returns-wilderness.html

I had already posted this link a few pages back, like Zee feels invisible.:bawling:

[jet]

I've got my wig on you know... I always wear it for getting stroppy on here.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him, and I don't have time for wife (or husband) beaters. But he's admitted it and says his life has moved on. You can't keep beating someone up for the same thing if they've turned their life around.

Nobody's beating him up, we're having a discussion on a message board. He's not here to read it.
You keep saying he's turned his life around as if that is a non - debatable fact.
Putting everything from his known past together - wife beating,homophobia, racism, and his present state of chauvinist pig, he seems to have an intrinsically nasty nature which he is managing to curb. Good for him, but I doubt he has 'changed' all that much. After a lifetime of having views such as his it would be a miracle.

[MTVN]

An interesting link here guys:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1365921/Jim-Davidson-reformed-comedian-returns-wilderness.html

[Northern Monkey]

It's funny when he does that Jamaican voice though.

Yes it is,I'm willing to bet that some people who brand him all these 'ists' and 'phobics' have'nt watched very much of his work.

[Cherie]

An interesting link here guys:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1365921/Jim-Davidson-reformed-comedian-returns-wilderness.html

nah not reading that :laugh:

[jet]

An interesting link here guys:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1365921/Jim-Davidson-reformed-comedian-returns-wilderness.html



Even so, the crass sense of humour that has so often landed him in trouble is still in evidence as we talk.
‘Fat women?’ he says at one point during our conversation. ‘Can’t bear them.
‘I’m going to put thin turnstiles on theatres to keep them out. Otherwise they’ll each take up two seats and eat all the popcorn.
‘Women are meant to be slim and attractive. There’s no excuse for being that fat and they’re a burden on the NHS.’
If Davidson is trying to be funny, then he fails. Despite his protestations, he seems to be strangely out of touch — a throwback to another era.


:devil:

[chuff me dizzy]

yes its a joke
not a attack

He also does Swedish take off ,cannot see anyone moaning about that ? :idc:

[Jesus.]

He also does Swedish take off ,cannot see anyone moaning about that ? :idc:

It's not just the accent though, is it? Talking about having spears in the back of his car, making the black protagonist (Chalky) in his story out to be dimwitted etc.

[Kazanne]

nah not reading that :laugh:

I've read it Cherie:hugesmile:

[jet]

No opinions from Jim fans on the quote I posted from the link then?
I wonder why?

[Kazanne]

:devil:

Bloody hell Jet,I'm pleased for you:joker::joker: but this is old news some take it serious ,some don't,it doesn't change my opinion of him at all,he's probably said what most people are afraid to say,or maybe he is joking,you decide,:hugesmile:

[Josy]

No opinions from Jim fans on the quote I posted from the link then?
I wonder why?

Probably sick repeating themselves tbh.

[seanraff07]

Is he actually? Thought it was just a rumour, I've never looked into it.

I've liked him in the house but if that's actually true then I'll not be supporting him, sick.

[jet]

Probably sick repeating themselves tbh.

I don't recall a topic about Jim Davidson blasting fat people? Could you direct me to where this is?

[Vanessa]

Jim is a great housemate. He has changed, otherwise he would have behaved differently. He has great self control.

[Cherie]

No opinions from Jim fans on the quote I posted from the link then?
I wonder why?


You don't think it was tongue in cheek and that the DM reporter might have taken it out of context, perish the thought.

[jet]

Bloody hell Jet,I'm pleased for you:joker::joker: but this is old news some take it serious ,some don't,it doesn't change my opinion of him at all,he's probably said what most people are afraid to say,or maybe he is joking,you decide,:hugesmile:

Just over 2 years ago isn't that old. :tongue:

Why on earth do you like him so much Kazanne. You are a nice person! :huh: :bawling: :bawling: :joker:

[Cherie]

would you care to comment on this Jet

nyone witnessing comic Jim Davidson’s return to the stage this month could be forgiven for thinking the 57-year-old was getting his comeuppance for the racist, sexist routine he trotted out before a shift in good taste saw him whisked off our screens nearly 20 years ago.
In the play Stand Up And Be Counted, Davidson is bigoted old comedian Eddie Pierce, who is confronted in one scene by a young, black stand-up comic and berated for the years he spent cracking jokes at the expense of pretty much every minority under the sun.
The parallels with Davidson’s own life are more than coincidental. For it was Davidson himself who penned this intelligent, tense script — and the inspiration for the scene in question was based on a real-life encounter.
Repentant? After years in the wilderness for bigoted views, Jim Davidson says he wants to get a few things straight
Repentant? After years in the wilderness for bigoted views, Jim Davidson says he wants to get a few things straight
When in a Southend-on-Sea comedy club a few years ago, Davidson went backstage to congratulate 41-year-old black comedian Matt Blaize after being impressed by the quality of his act.
But, far from welcoming this tribute from an established star, Blaize gave him a furious dressing-down.
He told Davidson how he had been taunted in the playground thanks to one of the comic’s regular Seventies routines involving a West Indian character called Chalky White.
One of Davidson’s favourite jokes involved the dope-smoking Chalky walking across a zebra crossing. The distasteful punch line, delivered in a mock Jamaican accent, had Chalky saying: ‘Now you see me! Now you don’t!’
Jim Davidson (Eddie Pierce), Matt Blaize (Earl T Richards), Rachel Barrington (Ellie Jayne) star in Davidson's new play Stand Up And Be Counted
Jim Davidson (Eddie Pierce), Matt Blaize (Earl T Richards), Rachel Barrington (Ellie Jayne) star in Davidson's new play Stand Up And Be Counted
Blaize told Davidson of the immense impact this crude humour had on the lives of black and Asian people.
Davidson apologised to him. ‘What could I say but sorry? I can see now that it was wrong,’ he says.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1365921/Jim-Davidson-reformed-comedian-returns-wilderness.html#ixzz2qUcdnR8h
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[jet]

You don't think it was tongue in cheek and that the DM reporter might have taken it out of context, perish the thought.

Yeah, that'll be it :rolleyes:
Read what the reporter said again. Carefully.

[MachoPoodle]

Jim is a great housemate. He has changed, otherwise he would have behaved differently. He has great self control.

He has changed for his own selfish reasons. Very much doubt doubt he has any great self control, he's simply just a coward, like most wife beaters.

[Cherie]

Yeah, that'll be it :rolleyes:
Read what the reporter said again. Carefully.

No I will not read it again tyvm. Bowing out of this now as I have heard enough.


Jim to win. :tongue:

[jet]

would you care to comment on this Jet

nyone witnessing comic Jim Davidson’s return to the stage this month could be forgiven for thinking the 57-year-old was getting his comeuppance for the racist, sexist routine he trotted out before a shift in good taste saw him whisked off our screens nearly 20 years ago.
In the play Stand Up And Be Counted, Davidson is bigoted old comedian Eddie Pierce, who is confronted in one scene by a young, black stand-up comic and berated for the years he spent cracking jokes at the expense of pretty much every minority under the sun.
The parallels with Davidson’s own life are more than coincidental. For it was Davidson himself who penned this intelligent, tense script — and the inspiration for the scene in question was based on a real-life encounter.
Repentant? After years in the wilderness for bigoted views, Jim Davidson says he wants to get a few things straight
Repentant? After years in the wilderness for bigoted views, Jim Davidson says he wants to get a few things straight
When in a Southend-on-Sea comedy club a few years ago, Davidson went backstage to congratulate 41-year-old black comedian Matt Blaize after being impressed by the quality of his act.
But, far from welcoming this tribute from an established star, Blaize gave him a furious dressing-down.
He told Davidson how he had been taunted in the playground thanks to one of the comic’s regular Seventies routines involving a West Indian character called Chalky White.
One of Davidson’s favourite jokes involved the dope-smoking Chalky walking across a zebra crossing. The distasteful punch line, delivered in a mock Jamaican accent, had Chalky saying: ‘Now you see me! Now you don’t!’
Jim Davidson (Eddie Pierce), Matt Blaize (Earl T Richards), Rachel Barrington (Ellie Jayne) star in Davidson's new play Stand Up And Be Counted
Jim Davidson (Eddie Pierce), Matt Blaize (Earl T Richards), Rachel Barrington (Ellie Jayne) star in Davidson's new play Stand Up And Be Counted
Blaize told Davidson of the immense impact this crude humour had on the lives of black and Asian people.
Davidson apologised to him. ‘What could I say but sorry? I can see now that it was wrong,’ he says.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1365921/Jim-Davidson-reformed-comedian-returns-wilderness.html#ixzz2qUcdnR8h
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Yes, what could he say but sorry. It WAS wrong.

[Kazanne]

No I will not read it again tyvm. Bowing out of this now as I have heard enough.


Jim to win. :tongue:

Yes I agree it's like banging your head against a brick wall http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/angry/banghead.gif:joker:

[Vanessa]

Yes I agree it's like banging your head against a brick wall http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/angry/banghead.gif:joker:

He has changed and that's good enough for me. He's brilliant in the House and i hope he tops the vote.

[chuff me dizzy]

He has changed and that's good enough for me. He's brilliant in the House and i hope he tops the vote.

Im sure he will !!

[MachoPoodle]

In the play Stand Up And Be Counted, Davidson is bigoted old comedian Eddie Pierce, who is confronted in one scene by a young, black stand-up comic and berated for the years he spent cracking jokes at the expense of pretty much every minority under the sun.


This does make me a bit curious about the play, but I have to say I'm more than a bit suspicious as Jim is someone who clearly likes to think of himself as the victim no matter what so the question is how much of this boils down to him wallowing in self pity as per usual.

[Josy]

I don't recall a topic about Jim Davidson blasting fat people? Could you direct me to where this is?

That wasn't the point of my post Jet as I'm sure you know :laugh:

Jims views are just that, his views. It doesn't mean the people that like him as a housemate agree with them.

[Kazanne]

Just over 2 years ago isn't that old. :tongue:

Why on earth do you like him so much Kazanne. You are a nice person! :huh: :bawling: :bawling: :joker:

Jet,I hope I am still a nice person,I am not a mad fan of his,I do know he did some bad stuff,but I guess we are all different in how we perceive things,it happened 40 years ago,its not for me to forgive him or any of us really,he has also made me laugh a lot too ,but I concede he's not everyones cup of tea, I think hes funny and I like the fact he admitted his wrongs,he's facing up to it,what else can he do? Anyway,I respect your views,your lovely too.lets just enjoy it.

[Kazanne]

He has changed and that's good enough for me. He's brilliant in the House and i hope he tops the vote.

Will be good to watch Vanessa:hugesmile:

[jet]

Jet,I hope I am still a nice person,I am not a mad fan of his,I do know he did some bad stuff,but I guess we are all different in how we perceive things,it happened 40 years ago,its not for me to forgive him or any of us really,he has also made me laugh a lot too ,but I concede he's not everyones cup of tea, I think hes funny and I like the fact he admitted his wrongs,he's facing up to it,what else can he do? Anyway,I respect your views,your lovely too.lets just enjoy it.

He can take his ugly soul off our TV screens. :joker:

[jet]

That wasn't the point of my post Jet as I'm sure you know :laugh:

Jims views are just that, his views. It doesn't mean the people that like him as a housemate agree with them.

Do people with Labour views vote Conservative just because they like David Cameron's TV persona.

[Josy]

Do people with Labour views vote Conservative just because they like David Cameron's TV persona.

Completely different scenarios and can't be compared.

CBB is a TV show....

[jet]

Completely different scenarios and can't be compared.

CBB is a TV show....

I meant to put :joker: after what I said. I thought I did. :huh: I must be losing it.
It's all Jim Davidson's fault. :joker:

[Ammi]

..I just think it's an agree to disagree thing..Jim has defiantly always caused strong opinions and I know a lot of people even on the forum were surprised that they would like or support him but some people have obviously seen something in the house to change their views and others haven't seen anything..it's the same with most housemates, we all view things and people differently and go with that....

[flamingGalah!]

:facepalm: at this thread...

It isn't news to anyone about Jim's PAST & even myself I wasn't that keen on him before he went in there, but from how he has behaved in the house & how he has admitted to the wrongs he did in his PAST & has managed to turn his life around, not to mention how entertaining I find him, I like him & want him to win...

No one who supports Jim supports 'wife beaters', but maybe we are more willing to forgive & allow people to move on with their lives. Or should people be forever chastised & reminded of their past sins?? Everyone deserves a second chance...

And I think the thread should actually be changed to 'Jim WAS a wife beater' as it insinuates he still does.

[Ammi]

:facepalm: at this thread...

It isn't news to anyone about Jim's PAST & even myself I wasn't that keen on him before he went in there, but from how he has behaved in the house & how he has admitted to the wrongs he did in his PAST & has managed to turn his life around, not to mention how entertaining I find him, I like him & want him to win...

No one who supports Jim supports 'wife beaters', but maybe we are more willing to forgive & allow people to move on with their lives. Or should people be forever chastised & reminded of their past sins?? Everyone deserves a second chance...

And I think the thread should actually be changed to 'Jim WAS a wife beater' as it insinuates he still does.

..no one is stopping anyone from moving on with their life though, it's about who we all like and who we don't and whether we find anything that we want to support in a housemate...and not everyone will agree on that..some people aren't 'forgiving' of Luisa's sexual activities...and I understand that, her views are quite controversial...and so are Jim's and I guess that we all just have different things that we personally don't like about people...

[Videostar]

even judging him on his actions he's a nasty piece of work - amazed some people can't see it

Whats he done in the house that's nasty.? :conf:

[Videostar]

And yet he has all this support? Honestly, I don't get it. The amount of times I see people stand up for women and domestic abuse and so many now support him.

People can change, or isn't Jim Davidson allowed to change?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

omg thats awful! Proves Luisa's instincts are yet again spot on :hugesmile:

[Videostar]

omg thats awful! Proves Luisa's instincts are yet again spot on :hugesmile:

Because she did all that to her ex husband...joke. :joker:

[MeMyselfAndI]

Luisa isn't like Jim, shes clearly a better & nicer person :)

[Kazanne]

Bloody awful what Sam and Jasmine did aswell OMG,awful women:joker:

[Kazanne]

Luisa isn't like Jim, shes clearly a better & nicer person :)

This has to be the funniest joke of the week,well done MM&I :joker::joker::joker::joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

:facepalm: at this thread...

It isn't news to anyone about Jim's PAST & even myself I wasn't that keen on him before he went in there, but from how he has behaved in the house & how he has admitted to the wrongs he did in his PAST & has managed to turn his life around, not to mention how entertaining I find him, I like him & want him to win...

No one who supports Jim supports 'wife beaters', but maybe we are more willing to forgive & allow people to move on with their lives. Or should people be forever chastised & reminded of their past sins?? Everyone deserves a second chance...

And I think the thread should actually be changed to 'Jim WAS a wife beater' as it insinuates he still does.

:worship:

[AnnieK]

Bloody awful what Sam and Jasmine did aswell OMG,awful women:joker:

I've seen you mention this a few times Kaz....what did they do? Genuine question as I've no idea who they are really let alone what they've done :laugh:

[MeMyselfAndI]

A fight is different than domestic abuse of months & physical & mental torture for months :laugh3:

Also Jasmine's is likely made up by PR for publicity as Lindsay Lohan denies it, as well as Jasmine's rival Jasmine Lennard, saying it was a publicity stunt

[Kazanne]

I've seen you mention this a few times Kaz....what did they do? Genuine question as I've no idea who they are really let alone what they've done :laugh:

Well Annie I know they are only 'girls' but Jasmine punched Lindsay Lohan and seems quite proud of that fact and Sam has beaten Joey Essex up apparently,I never watch those sort of programs so don't know much about them,just read about Sam a couple of days ago,anyway to get to the point its all well and good people banging on about Jims past,but no mention if theirs as though its ok for them for some reason.

[Kazanne]

A fight is different than domestic abuse of months & physical & mental torture for months :laugh3:

Also Jasmine's is likely made up by PR for publicity as Lindsay Lohan denies it, as well as Jasmine's rival Jasmine Lennard, saying it was a publicity stunt

You were there were you MM&I ? IF it was such torture why didn't she leave they had no children? and the excuse for jasmine is laughable,sorry.Violence is violence in whatever shape or form.

[chuff me dizzy]

You were there were you MM&I ? IF it was such torture why didn't she leave they had no children? and the excuse for jasmine is laughable,sorry.Violence is violence in whatever shape or form.

Hear Hear !!

[MeMyselfAndI]

Sam admitted too slapping Joey, hardly hardcore domestic violence, people clutching straws :joker:

[MeMyselfAndI]

You were there were you MM&I ? IF it was such torture why didn't she leave they had no children? and the excuse for jasmine is laughable,sorry.Violence is violence in whatever shape or form.

You don't know much about domestic violence? Many women stay in abusive relationships because they are either scared of what will happen if they try too break up or are led too believe it's all their fault & they deserve the beatings, or other factors

[jet]

Sam admitted too slapping Joey, hardly hardcore domestic violence, people clutching straws :joker:

I know. It's not in the same league...not even close. But if they can't see that, they can't, and nobody is going to change their minds. God knows I've tried! :hugesmile:

[MachoPoodle]

IF it was such torture why didn't she leave they had no children?

You do know this is classic victim blaming? In this day and age, seriously, there are no excuses for this kind of attitude.:nono:

[MeMyselfAndI]

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.
KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.
SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.
SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

Is just as bad as slapping a cheating boyfriend :hugesmile:

[Kazanne]

http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac225/xmarie08/Hockey%20gifs%20memes/fozzie.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/xmarie08/media/Hockey%20gifs%20memes/fozzie.gif.html)

[Ammi]

I know. It's not in the same league...not even close. But if they can't see that, they can't, and nobody is going to change their minds. God knows I've tried! :hugesmile:

..when, I didn't see that..?....










...:laugh:...


..if I'm honest, I don't really have a favourite this time...I guess it depends on whether you want a 'nice person' to win or an 'entertaining' one....

[flamingGalah!]

Didn't you all know it is fine for women to hit men, or to be generally violent... :thumbs:


..no one is stopping anyone from moving on with their life though, it's about who we all like and who we don't and whether we find anything that we want to support in a housemate...and not everyone will agree on that..some people aren't 'forgiving' of Luisa's sexual activities...and I understand that, her views are quite controversial...and so are Jim's and I guess that we all just have different things that we personally don't like about people...

The difference is Jim's behaviour is in his PAST, Luisa is acting like a disgrace NOW & actually on our TV screens. I am in no way a prude, but the woman has a child at home, she should at least have some respect for her child & show some restraint or dignity in the house, even if she has no self respect...

[Apple202]

Oh please you supported Conor

:laugh2::worship:

[Benjamin]

IF it was such torture why didn't she leave they had no children?

Kaz I love you, but please don't be so ridiculous.

[joeysteele]

The difference is Jim's behaviour is in his PAST, Luisa is acting like a disgrace NOW & actually on our TV screens. I am in no way a prude, but the woman has a child at home, she should at least have some respect for her child & show some restraint or dignity in the house, even if she has no self respect...[/QUOTE]

Oh absolutely well pointed out flamingGalah, exactly all the dislike for Jim comes from something he did decades ago and as you point out, what we are gettiing from Luisa is her now in the house.

So much for judging housemates on what they do in the house,really well said and I agree with all your post.

[Apple202]

You were there were you MM&I ? IF it was such torture why didn't she leave they had no children? and the excuse for jasmine is laughable,sorry.Violence is violence in whatever shape or form.

D-:

[Kazanne]

D-:

You 'orrible lot need a good slap !!!!!:devil:

[Vicky.]

Didn't you all know it is fine for women to hit men, or to be generally violent... :thumbs:


Sadly, women hitting men is seem as quite funny to a lot of people. Hence it happening a lot in comedy shows and such.

[HD]

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

:shocked:
I didn't know that.

Disgusting.

[Kazanne]

Kaz I love you, but please don't be so ridiculous.

How dare you http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae68/buzzytrent/tumblr_kvrlflK5Uu1qzwaddo1_400.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/buzzytrent/media/tumblr_kvrlflK5Uu1qzwaddo1_400.gif.html)



:hugesmile:

[Ammi]

Didn't you all know it is fine for women to hit men, or to be generally violent... :thumbs:




The difference is Jim's behaviour is in his PAST, Luisa is acting like a disgrace NOW & actually on our TV screens. I am in no way a prude, but the woman has a child at home, she should at least have some respect for her child & show some restraint or dignity in the house, even if she has no self respect...


..Luisa sleeping with 5 people in one night is in the past as well, I know she talked about it in the house but the thing for me is that people do see things/situations differently and I think generally we're all 'forgiving' people but there are some things that we personally don't admire or respect in someone and that's going to be different for everyone ...lots of people who have any fore knowledge of Jim Davidson before he went into BB had definite opinions about him and then it's just really whether he's changed those opinions and for me, he hasn't....I'm sure that my opinion won't stop him from 'moving on' though ....

[Rachael1904]

:shocked:
I didn't know that.

Disgusting.

It is disgusting and I have never warmed to JD until he came into the CBB house and now I really like him. And considering his past it's an uncomfortable feeling but I do enjoy watching him!:conf:

[flamingGalah!]

..Luisa sleeping with 5 people in one night is in the past as well, I know she talked about it in the house but the thing for me is that people do see things/situations differently and I think generally we're all 'forgiving' people but there are some things that we personally don't admire or respect in someone and that's going to be different for everyone ...lots of people who have any fore knowledge of Jim Davidson before he went into BB had definite opinions about him and then it's just really whether he's changed those opinions and for me, he hasn't....I'm sure that my opinion won't stop him from 'moving on' though ....

But Luisa snogging a woman in the bath & talking constantly in such a crude manner as well as telling all about her exploits is behaviour we are seeing now, Jim hasn't hit anyone in the house...

[Ammi]

But Luisa snogging a woman in the bath & talking constantly in such a crude manner as well as telling all about her exploits is behaviour we are seeing now, Jim hasn't hit anyone in the house...


....I would have been shocked if he had done tbh...:laugh:...

[Videostar]

Luisa isn't like Jim, shes clearly a better & nicer person :)

Yep, that's why she makes an enemy of nearly every human she encounters. :joker:

[jet]

But Luisa snogging a woman in the bath & talking constantly in such a crude manner as well as telling all about her exploits is behaviour we are seeing now, Jim hasn't hit anyone in the house...

He hit the counter a good thump with his slop can last night when he thought the others had voted for slop. :joker:
Then he made an angry remark and wait for it...walked away. All the while he was the only one who had voted for slop - by mistake.


Watch that temper Jim...:nono:

[Northern Monkey]

He hit the counter a good thump with his slop can last night when he thought the others had voted for slop. :joker:
Then he made an angry remark and wait for it...walked away. All the while he was the only one who had voted for slop - by mistake.


Watch that temper Jim...:nono:

So what's the problem?Is the counter female?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Lol at people trying to compare Luisa's behaviour to the vile disgusting thug's

[Jake.]

Lol at people trying to compare Luisa's behaviour to the vile disgusting thug's

You can't even compare, that's the thing. One's a previous alcoholic guilty of domestic abuse and sexism, the other is a bitch.

[flamingGalah!]

He hit the counter a good thump with his slop can last night when he thought the others had voted for slop. :joker:
Then he made an angry remark and wait for it...walked away. All the while he was the only one who had voted for slop - by mistake.


Watch that temper Jim...:nono:

Oh dear, is he a counter abuser now too? Lets send him to the stocks, didn't realise losing ones temper was the same as physical abuse...

[flamingGalah!]

Lol at people trying to compare Luisa's behaviour to the vile disgusting thug's

No one is comparing it dear, just making the point that Jim's behaviour was in his past, whilst Luisa's behaviour is now, as we are watching...

[flamingGalah!]

You can't even compare, that's the thing. One's a previous alcoholic guilty of domestic abuse and sexism, the other is a bitch.

Again no one did compare...

And yes Jim was PREVIOUSLY an alcoholic, who in his PAST was guilty of domestic abuse. And Luisa is far more than just a bitch, presently too...

[Cherie]

10.38pm: Jim and Linda are having a right giggle together. "We'll be snogging later" lies Jim. #bbuklive
10:39 PM - 15 Jan 2014

[jet]

Oh dear, is he a counter abuser now too? Lets send him to the stocks, didn't realise losing ones temper was the same as physical abuse...

I was joking about that bit. Hence the inclusion of the :joker: smilie.
:rolleyes:

[Videostar]

All the things Jim did (or has been reported as doing) was alcohol related, whats Luisa's excuse.?

[Jordan.]

No one is comparing it dear, just making the point that Jim's behaviour was in his past, whilst Luisa's behaviour is now, as we are watching...

Lmao none of Luisas behaviour now compares to racist, homophobic, woman beating scum that is Jim

[Videostar]

Jim with all the image baggage he had going into the house, reputation in the mud, is still far more popular than Luisa...what does that say about her.? :joker:

[flamingGalah!]

Lmao none of Luisas behaviour now compares to racist, homophobic, woman beating scum that is Jim

Can you read dear? For the 3rd time, no one was comparing their behaviour, but making the point that what Jim did was in his past whilst Luisa is currently being a sluttish, bitch :xyxwave:

[Jordan.]

Jim with all the image baggage he had going into the house, reputation in the mud, is still far more popular than Luisa...what does that say about her.? :joker:

It says nothing about her, the voting public however...

[Jordan.]

Can you read dear? For the 3rd time, no one was comparing their behaviour, but making the point that what Jim did was in his past whilst Luisa is currently being a sluttish, bitch :xyxwave:

"being a sluttish, bitch" is still nothing compared to what Jim has done dear :xyxwave:

[flamingGalah!]

It actually says far more about people who drag up others past sins & who never allow them to move on, even if they have...

[CaudleHalbard]

Jim hasn't beaten anyone in the house yet. We surely judge housemates on their performance in the house?

[Doogle]

Having lots of sex > beating women and being a racist/homophobe

Some of you are too much

[flamingGalah!]

"being a sluttish, bitch" is still nothing compared to what Jim has done dear :xyxwave:

You really don't understand do you?!? I despair, I really do... :facepalm: