Should religion be satirised?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Should we defend the right to make jokes about religion?

I am sure a stand-up today would happily do a Catholic joke but would not be so sure to mock Islam. Celebs would happily twitter something satirical about Christianity but again, not Islam or perhaps Scientology (in the USA)

How do you feel about this?

[Jesus.]

Who is saying we don't have the right to make jokes about religion?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who is saying we don't have the right to make jokes about religion?

As i said I doubt there are many stand ups doing Islamic material.

Also if Life of Brian was brought out as new this year, how do you think it would be received?

[Kyle]

As i said I doubt there are many stand ups doing Islamic material.

Also if Life of Brian was brought out as new this year, how do you think it would be received?

I saw Jim Jeffries rip the piss out of Islam on one of his stand-ups.

[Jesus.]

As i said I doubt there are many stand ups doing Islamic material.

Also if Life of Brian was brought out as new this year, how do you think it would be received?

The Islam issue is difficult. It's still a new religion that basically copies the religion that came before it, which in turn copied the religion that came before that.

Because of this, Islam isn't really comfortable with itself and it hasn't been forced to look at some of the more fundamental aspects of it's text, and it's still in a place where you can't even question one word of the Koran.

You also have the issue, that because Mohammed came along later and there are some accurate versions of his life (intertwined with lies and nonsense), it's even more difficult to encourage people to examine the texts in an academic fashion.

We just happen to live in a time where Islam has short man syndrome, like Christianity and Judaism have before. There are groups that are beginning to challenge these issues from within the religion, and that is a positive step forward. It doesn't matter what comedians do now, as it's irrelevant to Islam. I wouldn't risk my life to make jokes about a paedophile prophet who liked banging a 9yr old, but I'd make jokes about Moses ordering rape.

There shouldn't be a difference, but self preservation is golden.

[arista]

Who is saying we don't have the right to make jokes about religion?


Muslims

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Islam issue is difficult. It's still a new religion that basically copies the religion that came before it, which in turn copied the religion that came before that.

Because of this, Islam isn't really comfortable with itself and it hasn't been forced to look at some of the more fundamental aspects of it's text, and it's still in a place where you can't even question one word of the Koran.

You also have the issue, that because Mohammed came along later and there are some accurate versions of his life (intertwined with lies and nonsense), it's even more difficult to encourage people to examine the texts in an academic fashion.

We just happen to live in a time where Islam has short man syndrome, like Christianity and Judaism have before. There are groups that are beginning to challenge these issues from within the religion, and that is a positive step forward. It doesn't matter what comedians do now, as it's irrelevant to Islam. I wouldn't risk my life to make jokes about a paedophile prophet who liked banging a 9yr old, but I'd make jokes about Moses ordering rape.

There shouldn't be a difference, but self preservation is golden.

Great post

[Z]

I think it's important that programs like South Park make an effort to be equal opportunity offenders and make fun of everyone and everything; if you were to characterise Islam as a person it'd be that really angry small kid in class who goes around hollering at the top of its voice at the slightest bit of perceived criticism.

[smeagol]

There should be no rules with comedy after all its just comedy.
all comedians do religious jokes some sneakier than others so they dont get into trouble

john bishop done one the other day about the headgear muslims wear, he said that joke wont be in the show when i get to birmingham

on a film last night guy says give ma blowjob. woman says no im jewish i dont eat pork

[GiRTh]

Its possible to offend people by using bad language, sex, violence, drug use etc but if you truly want to be hated by millions then take the p*ss out of religion. I find it amazing that people are so passionate - and even prepared to kill or die for their religion - few things stir up so much emotion. I think religion is fair game for satire but be warned you may end getting death threats if you do.

[Nedusa]

I agree with last poster, religion is fair game for comedy and it is still not illegal to use religion in a comedy act, but be careful which religions you pick on and how far you go as some of the newer religions do have a high proportion of followers that take exception to anything said in jest and they can be quite extreme in their desire for revenge...!!!

[Alf]

If Jesus had have lived within the last 50 years, would Christians wear necklaces/chains with an electric chair pendant?

[Niamh.]

If Jesus had have lived within the last 50 years, would Christians wear necklaces/chains with an electric chair pendant?

:laugh2:

[Jesus.]

If Jesus had have lived within the last 50 years, would Christians wear necklaces/chains with an electric chair pendant?

If he had lived recently, American Christians would be the first people to kill him, with his socialist message of giving to the poor, and loving each other. Imagine him on 9/12 asking OBL to fly planes into his other cheek?

[Niamh.]

If he had lived recently, American Christians would be the first people to kill him, with his socialist message of giving to the poor, and loving each other. Imagine him on 9/12 asking OBL to fly planes into his other cheek?

If Jesus had lived recently, he'd probably be locked in a mental institution

[Nedusa]

If Jesus had lived recently, he'd probably be locked in a mental institution

Or taken to Area 51 and have loads of secret invasive medical tests carried out on him....!!!!

[Redway]

Muslims

Some.

[Z]

If Jesus had lived recently, he'd probably be locked in a mental institution

Or he'd be in an American Pie film turning wine into virgiiiiiinssssss

[smeagol]

If he had lived recently, American Christians would be the first people to kill him, with his socialist message of giving to the poor, and loving each other. Imagine him on 9/12 asking OBL to fly planes into his other cheek?


luisa from big brother would invite him to one of her parties.
he would end up in bb after a few years

[the truth]

we can only joke about Christianity ....the only people who can mock other religions are those within those religions, otherwise the race card is usually played from the bottom of the deck

[user104658]

I personally find religion to be its own self-sustaining joke. No need for external satire, really.

Although I will point out that Christianity is not entirely fair game... Anyone remember Frankie Boyles channel 4 sketch show? His mission was to get it off air. a sketch featuring a time traveller posing as Jesus being desperately wanked off (as this was what activated the time travel) whilst on the cross was what did it in the end :joker:

[Nedusa]

The Islam issue is difficult. It's still a new religion that basically copies the religion that came before it, which in turn copied the religion that came before that.

Because of this, Islam isn't really comfortable with itself and it hasn't been forced to look at some of the more fundamental aspects of it's text, and it's still in a place where you can't even question one word of the Koran.

You also have the issue, that because Mohammed came along later and there are some accurate versions of his life (intertwined with lies and nonsense), it's even more difficult to encourage people to examine the texts in an academic fashion.

We just happen to live in a time where Islam has short man syndrome, like Christianity and Judaism have before. There are groups that are beginning to challenge these issues from within the religion, and that is a positive step forward. It doesn't matter what comedians do now, as it's irrelevant to Islam. I wouldn't risk my life to make jokes about a paedophile prophet who liked banging a 9yr old, but I'd make jokes about Moses ordering rape.

There shouldn't be a difference, but self preservation is golden.

I love the way we all talk about religion like it has some sort of sound rational logical basis...........it hasn't pure Bunkum, Hogwash. fantasy nonsense

Invented by man to try and pave the way into non existance with a glimmer of hope based on well ,actually......nothing !

Anyway I don't want this post to be a religion bashing thread as one's personal spiritual views are not the same as organised religion, but to go back to the point YES Religion should be satirised and pointed out at every opportunity how complete and utterly ridiculous it actually is:-

Cant eat Pork
Can't eat Shellfish
Can't eat Beef
Cant eat at all for one Month a year during daylight hours
Can't drink Alcohol during Lent
Can't drink Alcohol at all
Must Pray every day (ie Talk to a non existant being)
Must Pray 5 times a day
Cant show your Hair
Cant show your legs
Can't show anything - Just wear a small black tent
Must wear a Turban
Can't ever wash or cut your Hair - Rastafarians


This is only the beginning of a very long list, my hope is that future generations will look back in a thousand years time with a wistful smile at how oddly we used to act in the name of RELIGION....

Satirise it, Mock it ? Oh Yes............Mock the Hell at of it.. !!! Why wouldn't you...!!!!

[Livia]

Q: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They’re always talking about God.

[the truth]

Q: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They’re always talking about God.

Jealous attention seekers

[Crimson Dynamo]

Q: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They’re always talking about God.

which one?

[Shaun]

wOb2KQHr7V0

[Tom4784]

All religions are fair game to me.

[Livia]

which one?

All of them.

[Livia]

All religions are fair game to me.

I agree. I saw a German comic on the telly the other night who joked about the Holocaust. I thought that was in pretty poor taste... but I'd rather he joked about it than joined a neo-nazi group and reminisced about the "good old days".

[Nedusa]

I agree. I saw a German comic on the telly the other night who joked about the Holocaust. I thought that was in pretty poor taste... but I'd rather he joked about it than joined a neo-nazi group and reminisced about the "good old days".

I'm sorry ? Which particular Holocaust you referring to ??

[user104658]

Q: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They’re always talking about God.

That's not ironic...

[Mystic Mock]

I saw Jim Jeffries rip the piss out of Islam on one of his stand-ups.

Was he threatened to be blown up like the two South Park writers was?

[Marsh.]

Q: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They’re always talking about God.

:laugh:

[Livia]

I'm sorry ? Which particular Holocaust you referring to ??

The one where the Germans killed six million Jews. I'm surprised you had to ask, it was on the news and everything.

[Kyle]

Was he threatened to be blown up like the two South Park writers was?

No idea tbh mate, don't think he did.

[InOne]

Should we defend the right to make jokes about religion?

I am sure a stand-up today would happily do a Catholic joke but would not be so sure to mock Islam. Celebs would happily twitter something satirical about Christianity but again, not Islam or perhaps Scientology (in the USA)

How do you feel about this?

From what you said in the op the title should probably be: 'Should we defend the right to make jokes about Islam?'

[Nedusa]

The one where the Germans killed six million Jews. I'm surprised you had to ask, it was on the news and everything.

How could we ever forget....????

[Livia]

How could we ever forget....????

So... why ask the question?

[Kizzy]

How could we ever forget....????

Should genocide be forgotten, I'm sorry I've jumped in a bit late here but that's a strange thing to say.
Are you suggesting that all genocides are not created equal?

[lostalex]

the should all be shamed into admitting that it's LIES.

[Kizzy]

the should all be shamed into admitting that it's LIES.

What's lies.. the holocaust?!

[lostalex]

What's lies.. the holocaust?!

no, the holocaust wasn't religion, it actually happened. wtf are you talking about? Jews were not given the option to renounce their god in the holocaust, that was racial, not religious. Many people were killed just for being related to "jews" even though they don't believe in the jewish religion, it had nothing to do with religion. Jews were seen as a RACE, not a religion in the holocaust.

many so-called jews converted to christianity when they escaped Europe during ww2, they didn't care about the religion. most ethnic jews don't actually believe in judaism. they were persecuted for their ethnicity, not their religion.

very few jews actually believe in judaism. Orthodox jews are every bit as evil as the nazi's though. Orthodox jews now want to murder muslims and gays, so they are no better than the nazi's, but like i said, inn the holocaust, people were being murdered for their ethnicity, not their religion.

[Kizzy]

no, the holocaust wasn't religion, it actually happened. wtf are you talking about? Jews were not given the option to renounce their god in the holocaust, that was racial, not religious. Many people were killed just for being related to "jews" even though they don't believe in the jewish religion, it had nothing to do with religion. Jews were seen as a RACE, not a religion in the holocaust.

many so-called jews converted to christianity when they escaped Europe during ww2, they didn't care about the religion. most ethnic jews don't actually believe in judaism. they were persecuted for their ethnicity, not their religion.

very few jews actually believe in judaism. Orthodox jews are every bit as evil as the nazi's though. Orthodox jews now want to murder muslims and gays, so they are no better than the nazi's, but like i said, inn the holocaust, people were being murdered for their ethnicity, not their religion.

Ah right I was confused there for a second.

[Livia]

no, the holocaust wasn't religion, it actually happened. wtf are you talking about? Jews were not given the option to renounce their god in the holocaust, that was racial, not religious. Many people were killed just for being related to "jews" even though they don't believe in the jewish religion, it had nothing to do with religion. Jews were seen as a RACE, not a religion in the holocaust.

many so-called jews converted to christianity when they escaped Europe during ww2, they didn't care about the religion. most ethnic jews don't actually believe in judaism. they were persecuted for their ethnicity, not their religion.

very few jews actually believe in judaism. Orthodox jews are every bit as evil as the nazi's though. Orthodox jews now want to murder muslims and gays, so they are no better than the nazi's, but like i said, inn the holocaust, people were being murdered for their ethnicity, not their religion.


In response to the emboldened bit above: Many so-called gays pretended to be straight to save their lives. ie: They didn't really care about being gay.

It's not what you say that I find insulting sometimes because I've learned to make allowances for you... It's the fact that I think you really believe that you understand other people, their faith and how they feel so much more than you do.

The only other answer is that you're being intentionally insulting. It's a hard one to fathom.

[Shaun]

preach

[Kizzy]

It's best not to engage really.

[the truth]

The holocaust killed 6 million mostly jews
I would add the germans got the idea from the british death camps which really shouldnt be forgotten in our horrific history too, we brits can be far too preachy and forget the horrors weve inflicted. such as the illegal iraq war. how many innocents died on the back of british lies? also lets not forget too the suffering of the others the nazis butchered, the 100s of thousands of disabled, the gay people oh and the russians....25 million russians died at the hands of hitler and stalin 25 MILLION? that figure boggles the mind. not to forget the italians, the spaniard , the japanese nuked in hiroshima etc over 70 million men killed during 5 insane years

[Tom4784]

When it comes to comedy nothing should be off limits and nothing should be taken seriously.

[Ninastar]

When it comes to comedy nothing should be off limits and nothing should be taken seriously.

agreed

i think this is more of a thread to get the atheists all rallied up.

[Nedusa]

Should genocide be forgotten, I'm sorry I've jumped in a bit late here but that's a strange thing to say.
Are you suggesting that all genocides are not created equal?

How is it a strange thing to say ? 6M people died !! How could we ever forget that ??

I think your post is a bit strange to be honest...!!!!

[Brother Leon]

Q: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They’re always talking about God.

:joker:

So true.

[Kizzy]

How is it a strange thing to say ? 6M people died !! How could we ever forget that ??

I think your post is a bit strange to be honest...!!!!

Well can you explain what you meant more clearly then please? with all the ???? and !!!!! I misunderstood... clearly.
My thought was you were suggesting it wasn't the only act of genocide in history, sorry.

[Nedusa]

Well can you explain what you meant more clearly then please? with all the ???? and !!!!! I misunderstood... clearly.
My thought was you were suggesting it wasn't the only act of genocide in history, sorry.

No problem Kizzy, I always use too many exclamations.. Sorry for any misunderstandings.

[the truth]

:joker:

So true.

great line and great because its totally true

[InOne]

What's you'll find is most Atheists hardly talk about God or Religion at all. And let's face it, it never comes up in daily conversation. It's only on the internet that Religion is heavily discussed these days and what Atheist wouldn't put their opinion in on a forum? Religion has caused enough misery in the world and it still is so I always smile when I see it given a good kick-in.

[the truth]

What's you'll find is most Atheists hardly talk about God or Religion at all. And let's face it, it never comes up in daily conversation. It's only on the internet that Religion is heavily discussed these days and what Atheist wouldn't put their opinion in on a forum? Religion has caused enough misery in the world and it still is so I always smile when I see it given a good kick-in.

Thre you go an atheist talking about religion again
ps religion doesnt cause wars, people do

[JTM45]

ps religion doesnt cause wars, people do

The people who start the wars very often do so because of their ridiculous beliefs in imaginary gods/religions though so your point is pointless. Religion only exist within the minds of people.

Religion is outdated mumbo-jumbo that has long been debunked by anyone with any intelligence.
Anyone who believes something without being shown any evidence to prove its existence is just plain ignorant. It is our duty as an evolving species to question EVERYTHING! Anyone who doesn't will inevitably, at some point, be deceived or will end up making bad or foolish decisions.

[Nedusa]

The people who start the wars very often do so because of their ridiculous beliefs in imaginary gods/religions though so your point is pointless. Religion only exist within the minds of people.

Religion is outdated mumbo-jumbo that has long been debunked by anyone with any intelligence.
Anyone who believes something without being shown any evidence to prove its existence is just plain ignorant. It is our duty as an evolving species to question EVERYTHING! Anyone who doesn't will inevitably, at some point, be deceived or will end up making bad or foolish decisions.

Clearly not on this Forum judging by some of the anti atheist rants in recent threads..........!!!!

[InOne]

Thre you go an atheist talking about religion again
ps religion doesnt cause wars, people do

Yeah because that's the topic. I don't dive into every thread preaching or anything

[Niamh.]

Religion is an interesting topic to discuss though, especially on a discussion forum where the whole point is to discuss things :shrug: Not that I class myself as an atheist anyway, I don't like having to label myself as anything really, why do i need to? I don't follow a religion and i don't know if there is or isn't a higher power

[arista]

Religion is an interesting topic to discuss though, especially on a discussion forum where the whole point is to discuss things :shrug: Not that I class myself as an atheist anyway, I don't like having to label myself as anything really, why do i need to? I don't follow a religion and i don't know if there is or isn't a higher power



Your Are Most Wise

[InOne]

And the truth people start wars because they genuinely believe they are fighting for God

[Jesus.]

Your Are Most Wise

And so are your.

[Livia]

Religion is outdated mumbo-jumbo that has long been debunked by anyone with any intelligence.
Anyone who believes something without being shown any evidence to prove its existence is just plain ignorant.
....

Hmmm that's an interesting theory Jake. That people who have a religion lack intelligence. You think you're cleverer than anyone who has a religion? Is that what you're saying?

I find religious people mostly don't want to make you believe what they believe. It's generally atheist who get insulting about it... and that comment is quite insulting to me.

[Jesus.]

The main issue is the difference between faith and religion. People of faith are happy to keep their beliefs personal and private, but it's religion that actually wants to inflict it's backward beliefs into the public sphere, with issues like terrorism, sex, and homophobia (as 3 examples). If religion came without the interference into normal life, then there wouldn't be the need for atheists to continually point out the insanity residing in books written by men that knew very little about the world they were describing.

But hey ho, atheists have had probably 50-100 years of publicly challenging Abrahamic faith, religion had over a thousand years of torturing and murdering people for even being suspected of doubt, but religious people now feel victimised and attacked for having their beliefs mocked.

Here's a tip, if people can actually mock the truths you hold most dear, on the basis of inconsistencies and magical thinking in your holy books, then re-examine your beliefs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As long as its not in schools or politics then no one will care, no one cares that the odd person thinks that star trek is real but would draw the line at that being taught at schools and having grown men dressed as Klingons in the Lords.

[Livia]

The main issue is the difference between faith and religion. People of faith are happy to keep their beliefs personal and private, but it's religion that actually wants to inflict it's backward beliefs into the public sphere, with issues like terrorism, sex, and homophobia (as 3 examples). If religion came without the interference into normal life, then there wouldn't be the need for atheists to continually point out the insanity residing in books written by men that knew very little about the world they were describing.

But hey ho, atheists have had probably 50-100 years of publicly challenging Abrahamic faith, religion had over a thousand years of torturing and murdering people for even being suspected of doubt, but religious people now feel victimised and attacked for having their beliefs mocked.

Here's a tip, if people can actually mock the truths you hold most dear, on the basis of inconsistencies and magical thinking in your holy books, then re-examine your beliefs.


I think I take a fair amount of good-natured shtick on here about my faith. I am happy to laugh at myself and at my religion. I think that's what this thread was about. But it's never quite enough, is it. It has to develop into a general mocking of anyone's faith by those who have none, of being accused of being stupid and ignorant because I believe in something that someone else doesn't believe in.

My religion does recruit, I don't want to sign anyone up or turn them around to my way of thinking. I have no wish to disuade Atheists from their beliefs, and yet I am continually amazed at the lengths some unbelievers go to try to disuade me from mine.

Your last paragraph is typical of atheists. Why the hell should I re-examine my faith because I'm asked to by someone who doesn't understand what faith is?

Anyway... this thread, as usually happens with any thread to do with religion, has been taken over and turned into a faith-bashing instrument instead of the "should religion be satirised" dsiscussion it started out to be.

[Nedusa]

The main issue is the difference between faith and religion. People of faith are happy to keep their beliefs personal and private, but it's religion that actually wants to inflict it's backward beliefs into the public sphere, with issues like terrorism, sex, and homophobia (as 3 examples). If religion came without the interference into normal life, then there wouldn't be the need for atheists to continually point out the insanity residing in books written by men that knew very little about the world they were describing.

But hey ho, atheists have had probably 50-100 years of publicly challenging Abrahamic faith, religion had over a thousand years of torturing and murdering people for even being suspected of doubt, but religious people now feel victimised and attacked for having their beliefs mocked.

Here's a tip, if people can actually mock the truths you hold most dear, on the basis of inconsistencies and magical thinking in your holy books, then re-examine your beliefs.


Amen to that..............!!!!!:worship::worship:

[King Gizzard]

Hmmm that's an interesting theory Jake. That people who have a religion lack intelligence. You think you're cleverer than anyone who has a religion? Is that what you're saying?

I find religious people mostly don't want to make you believe what they believe. It's generally atheist who get insulting about it... and that comment is quite insulting to me.

http://i.imgur.com/lNEg8.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think I take a fair amount of good-natured shtick on here about my faith. I am happy to laugh at myself and at my religion. I think that's what this thread was about. But it's never quite enough, is it. It has to develop into a general mocking of anyone's faith by those who have none, of being accused of being stupid and ignorant because I believe in something that someone else doesn't believe in.

My religion does recruit, I don't want to sign anyone up or turn them around to my way of thinking. I have no wish to disuade Atheists from their beliefs, and yet I am continually amazed at the lengths some unbelievers go to try to disuade me from mine.

Your last paragraph is typical of atheists. Why the hell should I re-examine my faith because I'm asked to by someone who doesn't understand what faith is?

Anyway... this thread, as usually happens with any thread to do with religion, has been taken over and turned into a faith-bashing instrument instead of the "should religion be satirised" dsiscussion it started out to be.


Dont forget you are also an atheist in terms of the many thousands of gods that people believe in. You are just not an atheist when it comes to your own god.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thre you go an atheist talking about religion again
ps religion doesnt cause wars, people do

and in the minds of the religious - people are made by gods in their image so its a bit catch 22 in that repect

[Kizzy]

People always mock what they don't understand that is the definition of ignorance.
I don't understand what people attempted to inform us about so desperately 2000yrs ago, yet I don't feel the need to discredit their interpretations.

[Jesus.]

I think I take a fair amount of good-natured shtick on here about my faith. I am happy to laugh at myself and at my religion. I think that's what this thread was about. But it's never quite enough, is it. It has to develop into a general mocking of anyone's faith by those who have none, of being accused of being stupid and ignorant because I believe in something that someone else doesn't believe in.

My religion does recruit, I don't want to sign anyone up or turn them around to my way of thinking. I have no wish to disuade Atheists from their beliefs, and yet I am continually amazed at the lengths some unbelievers go to try to disuade me from mine.

Your last paragraph is typical of atheists. Why the hell should I re-examine my faith because I'm asked to by someone who doesn't understand what faith is?

Anyway... this thread, as usually happens with any thread to do with religion, has been taken over and turned into a faith-bashing instrument instead of the "should religion be satirised" dsiscussion it started out to be.

We've spoken before about the differences in Judaism compared with Christianity & Islam, and I thought my post gave a fairly concise and fair explanation of why atheists are forced into public discussions about such things at all. It's actually religion that forces this discussion, and not really atheists. Religion can't have it both ways, Liv. It can't take part in the business of politics, but at the same time expect tax exemption, and the reverence that religious institutions demand.

You're arguing against a lot of points that my post didn't even begin to try and make, and that I don't agree with either.

You shouldn't re-examine your faith because you're asked to, you should examine your faith because it's dear and important to you. What other areas of life do you leave things where they are to constantly remain unchallenged? I can't agree that having faith is in any way virtuous, or something that I can't understand/get to grips with, but I've said before that whatever gets people through the night.

[Livia]

We've spoken before about the differences in Judaism compared with Christianity & Islam, and I thought my post gave a fairly concise and fair explanation of why atheists are forced into public discussions about such things at all. It's actually religion that forces this discussion, and not really atheists. Religion can't have it both ways, Liv. It can't take part in the business of politics, but at the same time expect tax exemption, and the reverence that religious institutions demand.

You're arguing against a lot of points that my post didn't even begin to try and make, and that I don't agree with either.

You shouldn't re-examine your faith because you're asked to, you should examine your faith because it's dear and important to you. What other areas of life do you leave things where they are to constantly remain unchallenged? I can't agree that having faith is in any way virtuous, or something that I can't understand/get to grips with, but I've said before that whatever gets people through the night.


No one on this forum is forcing the Atheists to steam in every time there's a religious discussion and take the piss. Now, I'm not necessarily aiming that at you, but you must know what I mean. The "religious people must all be stupid" comments are the ones that anger me most.

I never said having faith was virtuous. I think what I've always said is that it's my own thing, and I have no wish to get anyone else to join. I really, really don't care what other people believe, if they believe anything at all, and would be so happy if non-believers could extend to me the same courtesy. But look at you suggesting I should be re-examining my religion, like you might know what's best for me when it comes to my faith, while not feeling in anyway you should also be re-examining your own Atheism.

Get to grips with faith, or don't. My feelings about you will remain the same as they've always been. I can't prove what faith is to you. Same could be said about love, I guess.

[Livia]

Dont forget you are also an atheist in terms of the many thousands of gods that people believe in. You are just not an atheist when it comes to your own god.

Nah, I'm one of God's Chosen People.

[Nedusa]

Nah, I'm one of God's Chosen People.


Tell me who are the people God hasn't chosen ??


And more importantly Why ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tell me who are the people God hasn't chosen ??


And more importantly Why ?

Probably scousers and i would think the French?

[Niamh.]

I think that was a joke Nedusa :laugh:

[Nedusa]

Hope so..............!!!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hope so..............!!!!!

oops

Your not Pascal from Birkenhead are you?:shocked:

[Niamh.]

although it is possible Livia is the chosen one :love:

[Livia]

Tell me who are the people God hasn't chosen ??


And more importantly Why ?

I'm never going to have a conversation with you. Try to accept that.



Probably scousers and i would think the French?

Not sure about Scousers... but yes, definitely the French. And Arsenal supporters.

[Livia]

although it is possible Livia is the chosen one :love:

Awww.... you're only saying that because it's probably true.

[Nedusa]

oops

Your not Pascal from Birkenhead are you?:shocked:

No.........I thought Nimah's comment about it being a joke was in relation to Livia's comment about her being one of God's Chosen people.

I knew your post was a joke.:xyxwave:

[Niamh.]

Awww.... you're only saying that because it's probably true.

Indeed :douf:

[Nedusa]

Maybe Livia is one of God's chosen people........in which case maybe I shouldn't argue with her so much !!!!

[Nedusa]

But it's all in the spirit of free speech and fair debate.........

[Nedusa]

I'm never going to have a conversation with you. Try to accept that.



Not sure about Scousers... but yes, definitely the French. And Arsenal supporters.


Maybe not.............But I will never stop voicing my opinion especially when faced with some of your more controversial comments.....!!!!!

[Kyle]

Attacking people of faith and ripping the piss out of them isn't right in my book, but laying into religious scripture and institutions should not be off limits.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MzENrZaq67U/TFkLiTaHUkI/AAAAAAAAARU/3dc8K_AbedU/s1600/bible-timeline%5B1%5D.jpg

Creates plants before the sun :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Attacking people of faith and ripping the piss out of them isn't right in my book, but laying into religious scripture and institutions should not be off limits.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MzENrZaq67U/TFkLiTaHUkI/AAAAAAAAARU/3dc8K_AbedU/s1600/bible-timeline%5B1%5D.jpg

Creates plants before the sun :facepalm:

Everyone should have the piss ripped out of them. :elephant:

[InOne]

I've still never anyone give a good argument disputing the Omnipotence Paradox so these days I just see religion more about people than anything mystical. Basically like supporting a football team, they'll all have their own songs, rituals etc. And fans of football teams get taken the piss out of all the time so of course religion is fair game. It's the way it's drilled into people that religion is something sacred as a kid that makes some people twice.