Pizza Express reveal ALL the chicken they use is halal

[Marsh.]

If it isn't a big deal, why is it only being revealed now? It's a piss-take imo, if certain cultures are to be made aware of what type of meat they are eating and so on, then everybody should be entitled to that.

It's not only just been "revealed" it was on the website apparently.

It was never labelled "non halal" so the fuss is bizarre.

[Livia]

If it isn't a big deal, why is it only being revealed now? It's a piss-take imo, if certain cultures are to be made aware of what type of meat they are eating and so on, then everybody should be entitled to that.

Then why weren't people making fuss three days ago because their food wasn't clearly labelled? Where are all the threads on here demanding clearer food labelling? Nowhere. Because it wasn't a problem until the word 'Halal' was screamed out in the Sun's headlines.

[Jake.]

It's not only just been "revealed" it was on the website apparently.

It was never labelled "non halal" so the fuss is bizarre.

Nobody really thinks 'I'm gonna go get pizza from Pizza Express but first I'm just gonna check the small print of the website to see what ingredients are included' though. It's not about the meat itself, it's the secrecy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I note that no animal is religious

they know better than humans

[Marsh.]

Nobody really thinks 'I'm gonna go get pizza from Pizza Express but first I'm just gonna check the small print of the website to see what ingredients are included' though. It's not about the meat itself, it's the secrecy.

That's the point, no one cared enough to check the details of what is in the pizza yet now it's a huge problem?

Whether it's in small print or not there was no "secrecy" they just didn't have a press release about it.

[Jake.]

Then why weren't people making fuss three days ago because their food wasn't clearly labelled? Where are all the threads on here demanding clearer food labelling? Nowhere. Because it wasn't a problem until the word 'Halal' was screamed out in the Sun's headlines.

I can't answer either Livia, this is the first I've heard of it.

[Marsh.]

I note that no animal is religious

they know better than humans

Och aye Dr Dolittle.

[Jake.]

That's the point, no one cared enough to check the details of what is in the pizza yet now it's a huge problem?

Whether it's in small print or not there was no "secrecy" they just didn't have a press release about it.

That's because it's not sold as halal chicken though, if you went to the supermarket, you'd be able to differentiate between the two, with it being made clear.

[Livia]

I can't answer either Livia, this is the first I've heard of it.

I'm interested to know what difference it makes to you though, Jake. The animal's just as dead. Unless you took a close interest in how abattoirs work previously, I don't see why you should be concerned about it now.

[Marsh.]

That's because it's not sold as halal chicken though.

It's not sold as non-halal either.

[Jake.]

I'm interested to know what difference it makes to you though, Jake. The animal's just as dead. Unless you took a close interest in how abattoirs work previously, I don't see why you should be concerned about it now.

Oh okay fair enough, I just think that it's only right to know what I'm eating, with the type of meat made clear. When Subway announced that they had certain stores changing their supply to halal, I was fine with that because I know that going to Subway might result in myself eating halal meat, which would be fine because that would be my choice.

[Jake.]

It's not sold as non-halal either.

But, as of yet, non-halal meat is standard unless stated otherwise? Or not?

[Livia]

Oh okay fair enough, I just think that it's only right to know what I'm eating, with the type of meat made clear. When Subway announced that they had certain stores changing their supply to halal, I was fine with that because I know that going to Subway might result in myself eating halal meat, which would be fine because that would be my choice.

Yeah... I get that.

[Marsh.]

But, as of yet, non-halal meat is standard unless stated otherwise? Or not?

Well the cry over food needing to be labelled is only just being brought up otherwise people are simply assuming what "standard" contains. Before this news came about people are happy to assume this and that but didn't require a sticker of authenticity.

[Jake.]

Well the cry over food needing to be labelled is only just being brought up otherwise people are simply assuming what "standard" contains. Before this news came about people are happy to assume this and that but didn't require a sticker of authenticity.

Maybe we all need a bit more educating then, because to me, a packet labelled chicken doesn't mean 'Halal chicken' and so on

[Marsh.]

Maybe we all need a bit more educating then, because to me, a packet labelled chicken doesn't mean 'Halal chicken' and so on

But apart from the way the chicken was killed, chicken is chicken? As far as I understand it?

If you have a religious or other reason to want one or the other then you're going to be a bit more careful about ensuring you are consuming halal or non halal.

If you just eat something under the assumption it's this or that without it being confirmed then it's your own fault.

[Jake.]

If you just eat something under the assumption it's this or that without it being confirmed then it's your own fault.

Well if that's true are we all to blame for the horse-meat scandal?

[Marsh.]

Well if that's true are we all to blame for the horse-meat scandal?

No because non-halal chicken is chicken and halal chicken is chicken.

Beef and horse meat is not the same.

If we're talking about feeding you two different animals then there's a comparison otherwise there isn't one.

But, yes, in general, we're all to blame for consuming products under the assumption they are something they're not.

[Jake.]

No because non-halal chicken is chicken and halal chicken is chicken.

Beef and horse meat is not the same.

If we're talking about feeding you two different animals then there's a comparison otherwise there isn't one.

But, to me, it's still being sold something without the knowledge. If somebody doesn't want to eat halal meat, they shouldn't have to, even if halal is suddenly becoming the norm. Halal is packaged properly within stores and shops, why not elsewhere?

[Marsh.]

But, to me, it's still being sold something without the knowledge. If somebody doesn't want to eat halal meat, they shouldn't have to, even if halal is suddenly becoming the norm. Halal is packaged properly within stores and shops, why not elsewhere?

Ask them?

Yes it is being sold without the knowledge, but again that's been the case for a long time. It's our own fault.

[Jake.]

Ask them?

Why would I? If it's become a thing that halal meat is labelled correctly within stores, why would I think that any other bit of chicken sold could be halal?

[Marsh.]

Why would I? If it's become a thing that halal meat is labelled correctly within stores, why would I think that any other bit of chicken sold could be halal?

No, you just asked me why some stores don't label, it's not really a question I can answer is it? :laugh: So I suggested asking them.

[Jake.]

Oh okay sorry, read it wrong :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its like selling ladders that cant be walked under or mirrors that cant be cracked


we should tell muslims, eat our meat or bye

as they say to me on the euro-vision thread

[Marsh.]

Its like selling ladders that cant be walked under or mirrors that cant be cracked

:crazy:

:laugh:

[armand.kay]

But apart from the way the chicken was killed, chicken is chicken? As far as I understand it?

If you have a religious or other reason to want one or the other then you're going to be a bit more careful about ensuring you are consuming halal or non halal.

If you just eat something under the assumption it's this or that without it being confirmed then it's your own fault.

This! IMO If people really cared about where their meat came from they would go out of their way to find out.

[user104658]

I'm torn with how I feel about all of this.

On the one hand, the concept of special religiously killed meat is... well... it's stupid. Like really, really stupid. It makes me want to walk into McDonalds and state that I'll only eat their chips if they've been sprinkled with fairy dust, in an anti-clockwise motion, whilst the sprinkler recites the alphabet in perfect Tolkien elvish... and see what the reaction is. I don't like "rituals". Of any fashion. The entire concept creeps me out! :(


On the OTHER hand... when it comes to actually eating delicious, juicy, wonderful meat... do I really give a **** how it was killed? And the answer to that is... no, not really. Unless it makes it taste worse. If it makes it taste better, then I fully advocate the chickens being skinned alive and boiled in acid. I'm a carnivore, I'm not going to start feeling sorry for my bloody dinner! Did my cat feel sorry for the mice he ate? Did he ****! He would bat them around the garden like a toy, then bite their head off when he got bored. That's how it's done.

Sooo... yeah. Dunno.

Killing methods = don't give a shiny poop...

Creepy religious rituals in general = no thanks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm torn with how I feel about all of this.

On the one hand, the concept of special religiously killed meat is... well... it's stupid. Like really, really stupid. It makes me want to walk into McDonalds and state that I'll only eat their chips if they've been sprinkled with fairy dust, in an anti-clockwise motion, whilst the sprinkler recites the alphabet in perfect Tolkien elvish... and see what the reaction is. I don't like "rituals". Of any fashion. The entire concept creeps me out! :(


On the OTHER hand... when it comes to actually eating delicious, juicy, wonderful meat... do I really give a **** how it was killed? And the answer to that is... no, not really. Unless it makes it taste worse. If it makes it taste better, then I fully advocate the chickens being skinned alive and boiled in acid. I'm a carnivore, I'm not going to start feeling sorry for my bloody dinner! Did my cat feel sorry for the mice he ate? Did he ****! He would bat them around the garden like a toy, then bite their head off when he got bored. That's how it's done.

Sooo... yeah. Dunno.

Killing methods = don't give a shiny poop...

Creepy religious rituals in general = no thanks.

good post soldier

[Marsh.]

So you don't give a rats bum about religion or how an animal was killed but you don't want to eat meat that's been prepared for those with halal preference because someone said a prayer that you don't believe in anyway? :suspect:

Yeah, sounds like you do care.

[Nedusa]

I'm torn with how I feel about all of this.

On the one hand, the concept of special religiously killed meat is... well... it's stupid. Like really, really stupid. It makes me want to walk into McDonalds and state that I'll only eat their chips if they've been sprinkled with fairy dust, in an anti-clockwise motion, whilst the sprinkler recites the alphabet in perfect Tolkien elvish... and see what the reaction is. I don't like "rituals". Of any fashion. The entire concept creeps me out! :(


On the OTHER hand... when it comes to actually eating delicious, juicy, wonderful meat... do I really give a **** how it was killed? And the answer to that is... no, not really. Unless it makes it taste worse. If it makes it taste better, then I fully advocate the chickens being skinned alive and boiled in acid. I'm a carnivore, I'm not going to start feeling sorry for my bloody dinner! Did my cat feel sorry for the mice he ate? Did he ****! He would bat them around the garden like a toy, then bite their head off when he got bored. That's how it's done.

Sooo... yeah. Dunno.

Killing methods = don't give a shiny poop...

Creepy religious rituals in general = no thanks.

Interesting post, but not sure if I would want animals tortured if it made them taste better. Probably stick with more conventional methods of taste improvement like salt,pepper herbs and spices.

[Livia]

good post soldier

What did you like particularly? Advocating chickens being skinned alive and boiled in acid if it makes them taste better, or referring to people's religious rituals as "creepy"?

[Vicky.]

This! IMO If people really cared about where their meat came from they would go out of their way to find out.

They shouldn't have to though, if their diet is the 'norm'. When Halal or Kosher or whatever becomes the majority eating habit in this country, THEN it would be fair to expect regular meat eaters to question everything on every menu in every restaurant. Until then I really don't see whats wrong with expecting eating establishments to properly label specially prepared food :/

I don't see the big deal really. As long as it tastes the same I dont care if someone has said a prayer over it or not. ..I kind of agree with toysoldiers post, though I wouldnt like the animals I eat to suffer unnecessarily...however saying people should have to ask/research everything they put in their mouths (unless they have a special dietary requirement like gluten free, or Halal, or no nuts) comes across as quite ridiculous :shrug:

[Jake.]

Completely agree Vicky

[Marsh.]

When it comes to specific ingredients yes, but the way the animal was killed? Do the vast majority of people care? Do the vast majority of people even know what halal is?

[Livia]

They shouldn't have to though, if their diet is the 'norm'. When Halal or Kosher or whatever becomes the majority eating habit in this country, THEN it would be fair to expect regular meat eaters to question everything on every menu in every restaurant. Until then I really don't see whats wrong with expecting eating establishments to properly label specially prepared food :/

I don't see the big deal really..I kind of agree with toysoldiers post, though I wouldnt like the animals I eat to suffer unnecessarily...however saying people should have to ask/research everything they put in their mouths (unless they have a special dietary requirement like gluten free, or Halal, or no nuts) comes across as quite ridiculous :shrug:

Halal meat isn't "specially prepared".

How many people on here have ever questioned the origins of chicken from an Indian restaurant, or a takeaway? None. And yet it would occur surely, that Halal meat would be used in lots of Asian cuisine. Do people ever ask if the meat in a particular restaurant has been ethically farmed? Or raised without steroids and other drugs? Or killed humanely? No.

I kind of see where Toy Soldier was going, but he lost me as soon as he started to be a little insulting about religious rituals while admitting he has no interest at all in the welfare of the animal.

[Vicky.]

I don't see why the amount of people that 'care' should matter tbh. If you are serving food thats not what most eat, then you should tell people that. There was a Sikh guy mentioned earlier in this thread..they can't eat Halal (or any ritually prepared food I believe, but am not totally sure) but I doubt they would expect to have to check the webpage of somewhere to make sure they sell 'traditional' food, nor should they have to.

If its not such a big deal, then why are businesses hiding it? Why squirrel things like that away on a website when you could have a nice announcement on the menu, which would inform those who dont want to/cant eat Halal, and also actually inform people who need to eat Halal, that it is an option/the only option?

[Marsh.]

What I meant was, people who want halal specifically or don't want it specifically can make sure.

The vast majority of the public won't care either way because apart from the method of killing the animal it is exactly the same meat is it not?

If they had meat plied with other ingredients that were not made clear (like nuts for someone with an allergy) then there's a problem, but the way the animal is killed? Nobody cared before now except the groups of people who it matters to and it which case they go about finding out where the food comes from.

I mean I'm all for labelling the food clearly but the fuss about someone who isn't religious eating halal meat without realising it is a fuss about nothing really.

[Vicky.]

Halal meat isn't "specially prepared".

How many people on here have ever questioned the origins of chicken from an Indian restaurant, or a takeaway? None. And yet it would occur surely, that Halal meat would be used in lots of Asian cuisine. Do people ever ask if the meat in a particular restaurant has been ethically farmed? Or raised without steroids and other drugs? Or killed humanely? No.

I kind of see where Toy Soldier was going, but he lost me as soon as he started to be a little insulting about religious rituals while admitting he has no interest at all in the welfare of the animal.
Specially prepared was probably the wrong way to put it. But having a Halal only diet is (IMO anyway) a specialist diet. One where you would expect to ask if the meat was Halal or not? I'm quite sure Muslims don't assume that everywhere sells Halal...as they know they are a minority. However in a Muslim country they would surely expect the 'norm' to be Halal and if anything wasnt, would expect it be labelled as such. Kind of like being a veggie...though food suitable for vegetarians is always clearly labelled.

[Jessica.]

If it's against someone's religion to eat halal/kosher food they should have the brains to ask before they buy it.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I kind of see where Toy Soldier was going, but he lost me as soon as he started to be a little insulting about religious rituals while admitting he has no interest at all in the welfare of the animal.

says a lot about a person tbh

[Me. I Am Salman]

If it's against someone's religion to eat halal/kosher food they should have the brains to ask before they buy it.

exactly, I always check the meat I'm eating is halal before I eat it. if you give something the benefit of the doubt don't cry when it blows up in your face

[Vicky.]

exactly, I always check the meat I'm eating is halal before I eat it. if you give something the benefit of the doubt don't cry when it blows up in your face

If you were to eat in..say..Bangladesh, where Muslims make up a really huge majority of the population and as such Halal diet is the assumed position, would you still expect to have to check if what you were eating was Halal? Or would you expect places that served non-Halal food to label the food as such?

Genuine question.

[Josy]

The whole point of most people being pissed off by this is clearly going straight over some heads...the majority don't give a crap about it being halal meat. It's the fact that the company kept it quiet, there's no indication of it in the stores, put a sign up so people know and have a choice, don't just let them spend their money, eat the product and then say 'oh btw that's halal meat'.

Consumers have a right to know exactly what they are buying and that's that, there's no arguing that fact IMO. And no, people that aren't on special diets due to health or religious reasons etc should in no way have to ask beforehand exactly what it is they are purchasing.

[Kizzy]

The rumpus is that the food standard since the 70s in the UK say animals for slaughter have to be pre stunned....

If the animals are stunned are they still halal? and if they aren't then they are not killed within our food standards as it stands are they?

[Z]

What benefit does it have to publicise that it's halal meat though? So people can make a bigoted choice to boycott it because they associate it with Islam? It doesn't taste or look any different, just the way it was slaughtered is different. I still maintain that they probably kept it quiet because drawing attention to how an animal ended up on your plate in front of you is exactly what all restaurants want to avoid - they're serving you food, not presenting you a killed animal.

[Vicky.]

What benefit does it have to publicise that it's halal meat though? So people can make a bigoted choice to boycott it because they associate it with Islam? It doesn't taste or look any different, just the way it was slaughtered is different. I still maintain that they probably kept it quiet because drawing attention to how an animal ended up on your plate in front of you is exactly what all restaurants want to avoid - they're serving you food, not presenting you a killed animal.

Well the main one I can think of (from a business perspective) is that it lets people who eat Halal know that they can eat in that place? I doubt many Muslims would think..oh, lets just randomly ask if this chicken is Halal or not..as they would assume (like others would) that the meat is prepared the 'traditional way' if not stated otherwise. They would just go somewhere where they know does Halal surely?

The amount of people who would actually boycott a company for selling Halal meat is probably slim to none, you would get some faux outrage, but overall, if the food is good they will go back ;) Tis a bit like how people say every year they wont watch BB because they spit the dummy out, then are back the year after :laugh:

[Kizzy]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/08/article-2622830-1DA8931E00000578-481_964x412.jpg

For me personally it's not a religious issue at all even though that is the angle I see the press have taken.. but one of food safety.
As we see here as with the horse meat scandal tesco are unable to confirm that the meat that passes through their stores has been killed in a way that is defined as ethical for our consumption... that for me is the issue that needs addressing.

[Me. I Am Salman]

If you were to eat in..say..Bangladesh, where Muslims make up a really huge majority of the population and as such Halal diet is the assumed position, would you still expect to have to check if what you were eating was Halal? Or would you expect places that served non-Halal food to label the food as such?

Genuine question.

It depends where you are as things are different in Bangladesh.. town and village life is SO different. I have family in both

in villages (like this https://sites.google.com/site/sbintayab/0621141203.JPG) there are no restaurants or packaged foods, all the meat comes directly from animals that are reared and slaughtered outside your kitchen. I've seen so many cows and chickens being killed lol

in towns you have your usual restaurants and stuff. my memory's a bit hazy about how it works over there.. I haven't been since i was 12. Packaged meat products would probably have a halal label on it (all the imported food they sell in the UK from Bangladeshi companies do) but I don't know for restaurants. I would probably ask yes

[Vicky.]

It depends where you are as things are different in Bangladesh.. town and village life is SO different. I have family in both

in villages (like this https://sites.google.com/site/sbintayab/0621141203.JPG) there are no restaurants or packaged foods, all the meat comes directly from animals that are reared and slaughtered outside your kitchen. I've seen so many cows and chickens being killed lol

in towns you have your usual supermarkets and stuff. my memory's a bit hazy about how it works over there.. I haven't been since i was 12. Packaged meat products would probably have a halal label on it but I dunno for restaurants. I would probably ask yes

You know, most people would find that thought horrific...but I bet the meat tastes so much nicer being totally fresh rather than filled with rubbish to preserve it and that like supermarket meat no doubt is.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I find it horrific myself :umm2: I never eat the meat in Bangladesh, I'm scared it's diseased and seeing it slaughtered puts you off. Like a cow literally sh**s after it's killed, it's so weird. I've always been a temporary vegetarian every time I've went

[Vicky.]

Yeah I guess the seeing it killed bit wouldn't be too good. Was just thinking about how different completely fresh meat would taste and now I quite badly fancy some beef :laugh:

[Jessica.]

You know, most people would find that thought horrific...but I bet the meat tastes so much nicer being totally fresh rather than filled with rubbish to preserve it and that like supermarket meat no doubt is.

Yeah, my boyfriend's family has pigs and chickens on their land, they buy them when they are young and then give them a good life until they are ready to eat them, it's just how they have always done it and they know that they are eating fresh and clean meat with no toxins or anything like that.

[Cherie]

I find it horrific myself :umm2: I never eat the meat in Bangladesh, I'm scared it's diseased and seeing it slaughtered puts you off. Like a cow literally sh**s after it's killed, it's so weird. I've always been a temporary vegetarian every time I've went


:joker:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Yeah I guess the seeing it killed bit wouldn't be too good. Was just thinking about how different completely fresh meat would taste and now I quite badly fancy some beef :laugh:

It probably does taste better though. All the animals are brought up healthily too, no dodgy hormone injections or anything

[Shaun]

I remember vegans and vegetarians sharing this image that read along the lines of "would you buy meat if it told you what day the animal was slaughtered on?" and it massively backfired because people were in general agreement that it'd be a great idea because it'd let us know how fresh the meat was.

[user104658]

Interesting post, but not sure if I would want animals tortured if it made them taste better. Probably stick with more conventional methods of taste improvement like salt,pepper herbs and spices.

But what if it made them taste LOADS better... ... like the best thing you've ever tasted?

[Marsh.]

The whole point of most people being pissed off by this is clearly going straight over some heads...the majority don't give a crap about it being halal meat. It's the fact that the company kept it quiet, there's no indication of it in the stores, put a sign up so people know and have a choice, don't just let them spend their money, eat the product and then say 'oh btw that's halal meat'.

Consumers have a right to know exactly what they are buying and that's that, there's no arguing that fact IMO. And no, people that aren't on special diets due to health or religious reasons etc should in no way have to ask beforehand exactly what it is they are purchasing.

If Halal food had a bunch of added ingredients and was in anyway different I'd agree but as it is, it's exactly the same.

"Oh guys, this chicken we're serving to you is exactly the same as previously except the chicken was killed under different circumstances".

"Oh **** a brick, I'm not eating that!".

[Vicky.]

I remember vegans and vegetarians sharing this image that read along the lines of "would you buy meat if it told you what day the animal was slaughtered on?" and it massively backfired because people were in general agreement that it'd be a great idea because it'd let us know how fresh the meat was.

Why on earth would that stop anyone?!

And LOL at the response..mine probably would have been similar

[Kizzy]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.....

[Marsh.]

I find it horrific myself :umm2: I never eat the meat in Bangladesh, I'm scared it's diseased and seeing it slaughtered puts you off. Like a cow literally sh**s after it's killed, it's so weird. I've always been a temporary vegetarian every time I've went

:joker:

[Marsh.]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.....

:fist: Do you want some?

[Kizzy]

:fist: Do you want some?

Another half chewed rolo?... no ta.

What's with all the hypotheticals about spices :joker:

[Marsh.]

What's with all the hypotheticals about spices :joker:

Spices? :umm2:

I just can't see the fuss about two meats... that are exactly the same. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

Spices? :umm2:

:umm2:

[Rob!]

Am I being really dumb if I ask if the only difference between the way that the meat is prepared is in the way it is slaughtered?
How would anybody know??

[Marsh.]

Am I being really dumb if I ask if the only difference between the way that the meat is prepared is in the way it is slaughtered?
How would anybody know??

Sense. It speaks.

[Vicky.]

Does anyone else type halala instead of halal or is it just me? Everytime I type it I do the same thing...

[Kizzy]

I type halalalalalalala halalalalalaalala, I just can't get you out of my head.....

[Marsh.]

Old ladies and computers. :nono:

[user104658]

Does anyone else type halala instead of halal or is it just me? Everytime I type it I do the same thing...

Deck the halls with turkey rashers halalalalal, la la la lalll...

I'm multicultural.

[Kizzy]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5v5-Gl9IyMo/T4UrGvwg4bI/AAAAAAAAI4A/_mr6wQ9hM5E/s1600/WITCH.gif

It's halal...........

[Samuel.]

If it's edible, I'm good

[arista]

I find it horrific myself :umm2: I never eat the meat in Bangladesh, I'm scared it's diseased and seeing it slaughtered puts you off. Like a cow literally sh**s after it's killed, it's so weird. I've always been a temporary vegetarian every time I've went



Its Normal.

Its good you see things like that

Make's you are stronger human

[joeysteele]

I'd rather know personally,I do think we have the right to know where and how the meat we are eating is prepared.
However I rarely eat meat and I will only have Chicken if I have cooked it myself or someone I know has done.

I don't have any problem with halal meat or other ways of slaughter. I would dare bet that many 'mistakes' occur in so called 'humane' abbatoirs.

[Cherie]

Am I being really dumb if I ask if the only difference between the way that the meat is prepared is in the way it is slaughtered?
How would anybody know??

Well how do we know that vegetables are organic, or chickens are free range, or salmon is responsibly sourced, or beef is British or E numbers are contained within? Labelling gives the consumer choice, and that goes for every consumer not just the non Muslim ones :D:

[InOne]

http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/gallery/data/908/medium/Malcolm-in-the-Middle-7x14-Hal-Grieves-MITMVC-2.jpg
http://1.fwcdn.pl/ph/33/34/33334/233964.1.jpg[/

[Niamh.]

:hehe:

http://i.imgur.com/6RTxXQ8.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/eFCsO5g.jpg

[Josy]

Halal, is it meat youre looking for?

[Niamh.]

:laugh3:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Halal, is it meat youre looking for?

:joker:

http://affotd.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/spit-take.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you'll be my butcher
I can be your long lost pal
I can call you Allah
And Allah when you call me
You can call me halal

[Nedusa]

Halal, is it meat youre looking for?

:joker:

[Nedusa]

:If you'll be my butcher
I can be your long lost pal
I can call you Allah
And Allah when you call me
You can call me halal

:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

Halal, is it meat youre looking for?

:joker:

[Vicky.]

A balanced piece about Muslims in the daily mail... whats going on :umm2:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2623879/We-Muslims-appalled-sale-halal-meat-stealth.html#ixzz31DakaZwb

As a British Muslim — and I underline the word ‘British’ — I want to see full transparency when I go to the supermarket. I want to know the true provenance of the food I buy, and it’s essential that businesses start labelling food better and accurately.
It is high time the white, liberal, Guardian-reading classes stopped behaving like apologists and woke up. There is a fundamentalist Trojan horse in our midst, and we must take corrective action.


Particularly interesting part^

The rest is about Halal in general.

At the point of consumption, before I put the food in my mouth, I give thanks, with a brief prayer that Muslims have been saying for more than 1,400 years.
I say: ‘In the name of God, the most Merciful, the most Gracious.’ Christian readers will recognise what I’m doing — it’s very similar to the concept of saying grace.
The Koran says we cannot eat slaughtered meat unless the name of God exclusively has been pronounced over it, not any other deity or idol.
So, it does not really matter if, when that cow or lamb was slaughtered, the abattoir workers were saying prayers or playing heavy rock music at full blast on their radios. The individual prayer just prior to actual consumption makes the meat fit — halal — to eat.
Is this right..that Halal slaughter is not a requirement, an that praying before consuming the food makes it Halal?

[Crimson Dynamo]

A balanced piece about Muslims in the daily mail... whats going on :umm2:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2623879/We-Muslims-appalled-sale-halal-meat-stealth.html#ixzz31DakaZwb



Particularly interesting part^

The rest is about Halal in general.

Yes good post. Its a bit like immigration too.

[Marsh.]

:joker:

So it's not even a difference in slaughter anymore it's just saying the word God over the meat?

I want a full list of all words said over my meat in future.

[Vicky.]

:joker:

So it's not even a difference in slaughter anymore it's just saying the word God over the meat?

I want a full list of all words said over my meat in future.
No, Halal slaughter is different methods (though it is usually stunned in this country...like 9 times out of ten) but apparently having the meat slaughtered a certain way isn't even a requirement aslong as the consumer prays over it before eating it it is 'Halal'. I don't quite get that tbh..

[Marsh.]

No, Halal slaughter is different methods (though it is usually stunned in this country...like 9 times out of ten) but apparently having the meat slaughtered a certain way isn't even a requirement aslong as the consumer prays over it before eating it it is 'Halal'. I don't quite get that tbh..

I know but according to this person, that's not even a requirement anymore to make the meat "halal". :laugh:

[Me. I Am Salman]

that's just his own wrong interpretation