So here's how I'd summarise the argument

[Jack_]

cause I cba posting little bits about subsections of the issues in different threads

First thing's first, a round of applause for Steven and Winston for instigating all of the drama. Promising stuff from them two.

Secondly, Danielle's bat**** crazy and I ****ing love it. She was 100% in the wrong though to call them 'slags' (seriously EW at this word why do people still use it?) and 'classless' just because they wish to talk about sex (hello, it's 2014...if you don't like it fine but just move away, you can't expect people to focus discussion topics around what you want) and also those comments in the bedroom about women needing to be 'ladylike' :crazy: ewww at the sexism, made me vom. The entire rant about 'I'm going to tell people what I think of them' and then when she went off on one at Helen out of nowhere though...hilarious woman

Helen took it too far IMO with the 'fat bitch' comments, no need to take it to that level but my GOD I'm so ****ing glad this woman was given the pass to the final when it could have been a bore instead. This better never change, she's going to be golden entertainment if she keeps this up. Abhorrent behaviour but a great housemate all the same. On the topic of the 'I'm going to knock her out' comment, I also thought that was a bit too far and she should be warned for it as any other person would be BUT who's to say she hasn't been already?

She was also pretty pathetic rejecting Danielle's apology but I'm GLAD she did because in the context of the show it's better to keep the feud alive. Not often we see housemates refusing to make up, so this is a good thing. Although from the BOTS clips it does look like she's seen she may have been out of order so...

So yeah that's about it. Also while I'm here can we plz stop referring to Helen as a 'home wrecker'? A married man paying for sex with a prostitute does NOT put that girl in the wrong. That's her job. She was paid for it, he's the married man. What kind of latent misogyny is this?

[reece(:]

No lies spotted http://i.minus.com/ibbsyIwtuF2A38.gif

[Jake.]

I agree with a lot of it apart from the misogyny given how some people think Helen's threat was fine because she's female

[HD]

:flutter:

[kistar]

Okay

[Vicky.]

Tbf to Danielle..she did not say all the girls were slags. Her comment could be interpretted as that I guess but its not quite what she said. Its not what Steven said either, it was Helen that morphed it into that :laugh:

Danielle 'not remembering' she said the word slags at all though :umm2:

[Firewire]

I agree with a lot of it apart from the misogyny given how some people think Helen's threat was fine because she's female

who said that?

[Vanessa]

Tbf to Danielle..she did not say all the girls were slags. Her comment could be interpretted as that I guess but its not quite what she said. Its not what Steven said either, it was Helen that morphed it into that :laugh:

Danielle 'not remembering' she said the word slags at all though :umm2:

She denied it. :bored:

[Jack_]

I agree with a lot of it apart from the misogyny given how some people think Helen's threat was fine because she's female

I mentioned that as well though, no way should that comment be treated any differently to if a man were to say it. Definitely works both ways. But since it's been reported she's had like fourteen warnings already, what's to say one of them wasn't for this?

[Jake.]

who said that?

Idk go and have a read lol

[Marsh.]

Tbf to Danielle..she did not say all the girls were slags. Her comment could be interpretted as that I guess but its not quite what she said. Its not what Steven said either, it was Helen that morphed it into that :laugh:

Danielle 'not remembering' she said the word slags at all though :umm2:

"I'm nominated because I don't act like a slag" is definitely calling those not nominated slags. :laugh:

[reece(:]

Not sure I remember anyone saying the threats weren't warning worthy:think: Just people said that if it was a man threatening a woman it would've been worse..


Danielle 'not remembering' she said the word slags at all though :umm2:

MR H Christ is guiding Danielle to a week one eviction :worry:

[Jake.]

I mentioned that as well though, no way should that comment be treated any differently to if a man were to say it. Definitely works both ways. But since it's been reported she's had like fourteen warnings already, what's to say one of them wasn't for this?

:worship: Thank God, knew I could count on you Jack :love:

[Vicky.]

"I'm nominated because I don't act like a slag" is definitely calling those not nominated slags. :laugh:

No its not :S

[Jake.]

"I'm nominated because I don't act like a slag" is definitely calling those not nominated slags. :laugh:

Hardly

[Firewire]

Not sure I remember anyone saying the threats weren't warning worthy:think: Just people said that if it was a man threatening a woman it would've been worse..

i agree although if mark had said "i'm gonna punch her face in" no one would take it seriously

[Marsh.]

No its not :S

Hardly

:laugh: How is it not?

If I said "TiBB won't make me a mod because I'm not a prick" then I'd be insinuating that the mods are pricks.

[HD]

:laugh: How is it not?

If I said "TiBB won't make me a mod because I'm not a prick" then I'd be insinuating that the mods are pricks.

:hehe:

[Vicky.]

:laugh: How is it not?

If I said "TiBB won't make me a mod because I'm not a prick" then I'd be insinuating that the mods are pricks.

:joker:

I just dont think she was saying all the other girls are slags, given that her friends werent up either, and she was talking to them at the time?

[Vicky.]

How long have you been wanting to call us pricks for marsh :suspect:

[Marsh.]

:hehe: I love the mods me.

[Jack_]

Whether she was calling all of them slags though, she was still basically inferring that people like Helen, Tamara etc (those involved in the sex chaste) were so my point still stands :p

[Rob!]

A Jack essay :lovedup:

Pretty spot on - Helen is an absolutely horrific person but she's going to cause **** all the way to the final. Danielle needs to stay.

[Marsh.]

:joker:

I just dont think she was saying all the other girls are slags, given that her friends werent up either, and she was talking to them at the time?

Exactly, she wasn't referring to her friends, so who else? :laugh:

Who else but the sex talking Helen and Tamara group? She wouldn't feel the need to make the slag comment unless she was inferring other people were slags. :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Hmmm I guess. She did kind of have a point when she said she hadnt actually called them slags though. But she blew it when she said she hadnt said it at all :facepalm:

I find Danielle bloody hilarious tbh. Shes got no self awareness at all. And her 'morals' ae just ridiculous...and as if she has never heard talk like that given that shes one of those phone sex workers (?)

[Marsh.]

Hmmm I guess. She did kind of have a point when she said she hadnt actually called them slags though. But she blew it when she said she hadnt said it at all :facepalm:

I find Danielle bloody hilarious tbh. Shes got no self awareness at all. And her 'morals' ae just ridiculous...and as if she has never heard talk like that given that shes one of those phone sex workers (?)

I don't think she lacks awareness, I think she's just plain fake.

Her act would be kind of convincing if we didn't know what we know of her outside and inside the house she reveals herself when she loses her temper.

She's finding out what all the people who tried to act their way through the show found out before, that you can't keep it up for long or all the time. :laugh:

She made me laugh in the diary room when she said "that's not me, I don't have a temper". Even with Jale in the bedroom/bathroom discussion she was getting irate. :laugh:

What a mess she is. :joker:

[Vicky.]

Shes trying to do a Dexter (as opposed to the usual 'doing' Dexter :evilgrin: )...but he was better at the split personality thing than she is

[Marsh.]

:joker: Exactly. I want her booed badly but part of me wants her to come out around week 6 when she's properly shown herself up.

[Jack_]

She's a total train wreck but it's hilarious, the reaction to her nomination was totally exaggerated IMO (love her for it tho), the '****ing hell' (:laugh2:) to the 'I'm going to tell people what I think of them when I leave' to then going off on one at Helen with all that 'who do you think you are?!', I have a feeling she thought like she should cause some drama (brilliant) but wasn't expecting how much Helen would bite back. She definitely picked the wrong person to mess with, I think she was being genuine when she was upset afterwards because she looked almost shaken by the way she'd been spoken to which to be fair was pretty nastily, as funny as it was

[Vicky.]

I also wonder if she thinks its vote to save, as the rumours were that it was for quite a while...if she does think its VTS, her meltdown makes perfect sense