Boring?

[Josy]

I like Ash and don't think of him as boring but...

Lots of people from the start have labelled him as one of the 'bores' yet he does something that dominates the highlights and they want him evicted?

I don't get it, so if your boring in there you are hated for it and if you are involved on one of the main rows of the show so far people campaign to get you evicted..

Opinions?

[Shaun]

I don't think being on the receiving end of hurricane Toya really counts as "doing something"

[Samm]

Only Toya made him relevant without Toya he would be boring

[Josy]

I don't think being on the receiving end of hurricane Toya really counts as "doing something"

He stood up to her first though if he hadn't then the first row wouldn't have happened.

[Josy]

Only Toya made him relevant without Toya he would be boring

So you are saying he's not boring now?

[Jack_]

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?

[Shaun]

He stood up to her first though if he hadn't then the first row wouldn't have happened.

Well, 'first', he fist-bumped her and seemed OK with the situation... it wasn't until she went all full-CALM DOWN EVERYONE I HAVE TO SPEAK-mode he took part :tongue:

[Headie]

I like Ash and don't think of him as boring but...

Lots of people from the start have labelled him as one of the 'bores' yet he does something that dominates the highlights and they want him evicted?

I don't get it, so if your boring in there you are hated for it and if you are involved on one of the main rows of the show so far people campaign to get you evicted..

Opinions?

Josy... you constantly hate on Pauline, Toya, Helen etc and then whenever anyone says this to you you just say "everyone has different views of entertainment".

Toya is the most 'active' in the house (if you wanna put it that way) so going by your logic she should be the favourite to win. I agree with you but you need to practice what you preach.

[Josy]

I don't have a problem with vote to evict.

I do have a problem with certain housemates being labelled boring then if they aren't boring being evicted :shrug:

[Samm]

So you are saying he's not boring now?

No, I'm saying Toya made him relevant but he is a bore

[Marsh.]

Get the Cliche Catchphrase Copier Out!!!

[starry]

He's a real idiot, BB explained the twist after nominations very clearly and the idiot still didn't get it Unfortunately in vote to evict the stupid ones who the teens like such as him and Winston are likely to go far and get the support of the producers.

[Headie]

I don't have a problem with vote to evict.

I do have a problem with certain housemates being labelled boring then if they aren't boring being evicted :shrug:

That's basically Vote To Evict though, if you even do something slightly out of the ordinary you get a ton of votes to evict, whereas if it was VTS you'd get votes for exactly that reason.

[smeagol]

everytime i see him he is laying down. he didn't even argue properly he was more interested in why he was up and kim wasn't and how can anyone do this to me lol

all he cares about is himself. he think he is it yet all he does is bum sniff the house bike

any guy who struts about dont care about other people and isnt interested in them and thinks he shouldnt be up. is a bore he doesn't mingle he is stuck to helen like a sticky condom

[Mystic Mock]

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?

Sadly this is 100% correct.

[Josy]

Josy... you constantly hate on Pauline, Toya, Helen etc and then whenever anyone says this to you you just say "everyone has different views of entertainment".

Toya is the most 'active' in the house (if you wanna put it that way) so going by your logic she should be the favourite to win. I agree with you but you need to practice what you preach.

Hayden for a start stop trying to make the thread about me rather than the topic of the OP.

Secondly I know I say people have different views of what's entertaining because that's what I believe? hence the reason I said at the start I don't find Ash boring? I like him?

My question was why are some hated for being 'boring' then evicted for being 'not boring'..

And the threads not about Toya but she has never been labelled 'boring' as far as I know? so the bit you added in about her is pointless..

[Mystic Mock]

Well, 'first', he fist-bumped her and seemed OK with the situation... it wasn't until she went all full-CALM DOWN EVERYONE I HAVE TO SPEAK-mode he took part :tongue:

Tbf for that type of Housemate he should get credit for actually taking part.

[Headie]

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?

:worship:

This needs to be sent to Ben Frow, someone email him it.

[Daffodil]

Yes Ash is boring. I swear to God I would be banging my head on the table after one hour in his company.

[Josy]

You said "I don't get it" implying that the people who disagree with you are wrong.

And I'm just stating it how it is. Ash is boring in most people eyes and has only become a slight bit interesting because of Toya.

What on earth? how do you even come to that conclusion from 'I don't get it?'

I said I don't get it because I don't...wasn't implying anything about people that disagreed.

[Samm]

What is Ben frow's email

[Marsh.]

People don't have to "do something" to get evicted.

They have to be raving bitches who monopolise everything to get evicted. That's a very specific something.

[Headie]

People don't have to "do something" to get evicted.

They have to be raving bitches who monopolise everything to get evicted. That's a very specific something.

Yes, Tamara was such a raving bitch...

[arista]

Yes Ash is boring. I swear to God I would be banging my head on the table after one hour in his company.


We have not seen him enough

[Macie Lightfoot]

Ash is a boring **** and being one of the (many) victims of #HurricaneToya doesn't change that. The night was all about Toya. Her veto decisions lit a match and she's just burning that house down to the ground on her way out. I know this is a forum that values ~talking points~ more than anything and by now you guys all know how much I disagree with that, but what talking points does Ash even provide? He called Toya a prick, she flipped out and screeched about how she revealed everyone's true colors as she intended to, she moved HERSELF to near tears with her impassioned DR speech about the responsibility of being the power housemate, she went mad with power. Just because Ash was on the receiving end on her most volatile night doesn't automatically make him entertaining or valuable. Not at all. And if you think he's necessary to keep around for Toya to have someone to lash out at... so far she's lashed out at Jale, Christopher, Matthew, Marlon, Winston, and Ash, and she's been smearing Kimberly's name left and right and probably would've lashed out at her last night if she wasn't so distracted by those three idiot boys last night. Ash could pretty much be a mannequin doll at Toya would still lash out at him, it doesn't take much to piss her off. He's useless.

[Vicky.]

Ash had been a bit of a bore until last night IMO. But it is funny how those who whinged about him being a bore are now whinging because he's doing something :D

[smeagol]

start a toya is boring thread dare ya lol

[Josy]

Ash had been a bit of a bore until last night IMO. But it is funny how those who whinged about him being a bore are now whinging because he's doing something :D

That was my basic point about any housemate that gets labelled a bore then when they aren't in the background any more but more in the limelight they still get evicted..

[Headie]

Ash is a boring **** and being one of the (many) victims of #HurricaneToya doesn't change that. The night was all about Toya. Her veto decisions lit a match and she's just burning that house down to the ground on her way out. I know this is a forum that values ~talking points~ more than anything and by now you guys all know how much I disagree with that, but what talking points does Ash even provide? He called Toya a prick, she flipped out and screeched about how she revealed everyone's true colors as she intended to, she moved HERSELF to near tears with her impassioned DR speech about the responsibility of being the power housemate, she went mad with power. Just because Ash was on the receiving end on her most volatile night doesn't automatically make him entertaining or valuable. Not at all. And if you think he's necessary to keep around for Toya to have someone to lash out at... so far she's lashed out at Jale, Christopher, Matthew, Marlon, Winston, and Ash, and she's been smearing Kimberly's name left and right and probably would've lashed out at her last night if she wasn't so distracted by those three idiot boys last night. Ash could pretty much be a mannequin doll at Toya would still lash out at him, it doesn't take much to piss her off. He's useless.

Brilliant post :worship: (I know you meant those Toya things as a negative but I see them as a positive)

[Headie]

Ash had been a bit of a bore until last night IMO. But it is funny how those who whinged about him being a bore are now whinging because he's doing something :D

That was my basic point about any housemate that gets labelled a bore then when they aren't in the background any more but more in the limelight they still get evicted..

See Jack's post about VTE.

[Josy]

start a toya is boring thread dare ya lol

That's just it though, it's not the same.

I dislike Toya but she hasn't been labelled a bore as far as I'm aware? so not sure why she would be used as an example when I was specifically meaning housemates that have always been labelled bores.

[Vicky.]

I know the bookies are wrong sometime,s but according to them Marlon is more likely to be evicted than Ash..so why are people targetting Ash to save Toya? :suspect:

[smeagol]

That's just it though, it's not the same.

I dislike Toya but she hasn't been labelled a bore as far as I'm aware? so not sure why she would be used as an example when I was specifically meaning housemates that have always been labelled bores.


i wa just joking cause the way this thread has gone lol

to me a bore is someone who if they left we the viewers wouldn't care.
think no one would notice ash gone to be fair

[Josy]

i wa just joking cause the way this thread has gone lol

to me a bore is someone who if they left we the viewers wouldn't care.
think no one would notice ash gone to be fair

I would :laugh:

[Headie]

I know the bookies are wrong sometime,s but according to them Marlon is more likely to be evicted than Ash..so why are people targetting Ash to save Toya? :suspect:

Twitter hate and forum polls mainly

[Loukas]

The only thing that stands out about Ash in my head is when he dressed up in drag. The rest of it has just been kinda dull, i liked the guy on launch night but he hasn't really done anything? :idc:

Ash was always part of the ‘good-looking, popular group’ at school and was even friends with the majority of his teachers.


quote from BBSpy

Get rid of the 'popular' guy now, while we have the chance :idc:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Not only is he boring but he is a repulsive twat

[Vicky.]

I would like Ash to go though even though he is finally waking up. I think it would massively shock the house and I can't stand arrogance, and he does come off as extremely arrogant. He won't expect to go, especially after being one of the first saved last friday

[Daffodil]

Not only is he boring but he is a repulsive twat

Agreed 100%

[Macie Lightfoot]

Does anyone even remember anything Ash did last night? Like yeah he fought with Toya but the content of what he had to say was clearly so forgettable so who cares

[Me. I Am Salman]

i can't think of anything noteworthy he's done apart from the argument last night (although even then he didn't do much) but I see more potential in him compared to winston and marlon who are excruciatingly boring. want marlon out more though because he's less likeable compared to winston and makes me cringe A LOT.

[Loukas]

Ash openly admits to being lazy
& He has been lazy in the house but yet he gets away with it :idc:

[Marsh.]

Yes, Tamara was such a raving bitch...

Your point being?

We're talking about these "big characters" getting evicted after "doing something" are we not? Not a reason for every eviction the show's ever had. If we're talking about that, then each and every one has to be evicted at some point. Tamara wasn't a "big character".

[minty3]

I like Ash and don't think of him as boring but...

Lots of people from the start have labelled him as one of the 'bores' yet he does something that dominates the highlights and they want him evicted?

I don't get it, so if your boring in there you are hated for it and if you are involved on one of the main rows of the show so far people campaign to get you evicted..

Opinions?

Spot on this is its the same with marlon I dont find him boring in the slightest I find ashleigh and winston the most boring tbh

[eezamana]

Hayden for a start stop trying to make the thread about me rather than the topic of the OP.

Secondly I know I say people have different views of what's entertaining because that's what I believe? hence the reason I said at the start I don't find Ash boring? I like him?

My question was why are some hated for being 'boring' then evicted for being 'not boring'..

And the threads not about Toya but she has never been labelled 'boring' as far as I know? so the bit you added in about her is pointless..

BIB But Josy, you are the OP..........no? Just mentioning that because it means you'd be talking about yourself in the third person. Ashley is beautiful but bleurghhhh. he seems to think with his wee heid.

[joeysteele]

He is boring overall, does and says little really, however although he is just there I cannot help but like him and when he was one in the chaos with Toya last night,he at least did something positive,for me he did anyway.

[Josy]

BIB But Josy, you are the OP..........no? Just mentioning that because it means you'd be talking about yourself in the third person. Ashley is beautiful but bleurghhhh. he seems to think with his wee heid.

I was meaning original post not original poster :laugh:

[Headie]

Does anyone even remember anything Ash did last night? Like yeah he fought with Toya but the content of what he had to say was clearly so forgettable so who cares

Break the rules regarding nominations and get away with it (saying he knows who he's putting up next week, implying Toya to the rest of the group) = NOT ENTERTAINMENT

[Josy]

Break the rules regarding nominations and get away with it (saying he knows who he's putting up next week, implying Toya to the rest of the group) = NOT ENTERTAINMENT

Well he done/said a lot more than that but whatever...

And he may have been warned by BB? they don't show all of the warnings..we weren't shown Paulines or if he isn't evicted which I think is very doubtful..they may wait until they are nominating again and ban his noms since they know that annoys him?

[Tom4784]

He's really done nothing except lodging his tongue firmly in Helen's arse. He has a boring (and ugly) personality and he's only there because he's sort of decent to look at.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Well he done/said a lot more than that but whatever...

Did he though? You keep insisting Ash isn't boring but haven't named anything interesting he did.

[Josy]

Did he though? You keep insisting Ash isn't boring but haven't named anything interesting he did.

When have I insisted he wasn't boring? oh that's right I never.

I said he wasn't boring last night...and all of a sudden he is going to get evicted.

And yes he did do a lot more than talk about his nominations last night? not sure why anyone would deny it even if they hate him, he argued with Toya throughout most of the arguments...

[Drew.]

I dont think hes been boring at all. Forgetting about last night, hes given some of us some entertainment without having to argue and bitch which is rare in this house.

[Macie Lightfoot]

When have I insisted he wasn't boring? oh that's right I never.

I said he wasn't boring last night...and all of a sudden he is going to get evicted.

And yes he did do a lot more than talk about his nominations last night? not sure why anyone would deny it even if they hate him, he argued with Toya throughout most of the arguments...

But again, not all drama is equal and all players in an argument are certainly not equal. Ash couldn't differentiate between Matthew and Toya vetoing his nomination and Matthew and Toya directly nominating him. That's not entertaining at all, and when he gets self-righteous about his false conclusions and states that they should've gone after the boring ***** (I'd say most people here and other forums have different ideas about who the boring ***** are in there) it's more infuriating than anything? Like sure he argued with Toya but the content of his contribution was rather forgettable. Meanwhile Toya pretty much lit the house on fire in her power trip, gave an insanely passionate and hilarious rant in the DR, and was amazingly belligerent. It was her night, nobody's gonna look back on this and think of Ash's contributions.

And he's certainly not going to be evicted :joker: I don't know what you're smoking if you think that

[Josy]

I dont think hes been boring at all. Forgetting about last night, hes given some of us some entertainment without having to argue and bitch which is rare in this house.

I don't think he's boring either Drew and agree with your post.

That's just my opinion though and I don't ever 'insist' that it's true, that's also why I'm the first to say entertainment is a completely personal preference.

[Josy]

But again, not all drama is equal and all players in an argument are certainly not equal. Ash couldn't differentiate between Matthew and Toya vetoing his nomination and Matthew and Toya directly nominating him. That's not entertaining at all, and when he gets self-righteous about his false conclusions and states that they should've gone after the boring ***** (I'd say most people here and other forums have different ideas about who the boring ***** are in there) it's more infuriating than anything? Like sure he argued with Toya but the content of his contribution was rather forgettable. Meanwhile Toya pretty much lit the house on fire in her power trip, gave an insanely passionate and hilarious rant in the DR, and was amazingly belligerent. It was her night, nobody's gonna look back on this and think of Ash's contributions.

And he's certainly not going to be evicted :joker: I don't know what you're smoking if you think that

You saying something isn't entertaining only pertains to you specifically though (and others that agree of course) you can't turn round and tell someone they do or don't find something entertaining because that is up to them to decide for themselves? :huh:

Ash was the one that retaliated to Toya's initial comment and that caused the rest of the arguments to take place.

Toyas rant in the DR wasn't in any way hilarious IMO again that's individual preference

And I'm not smoking anything.

[Drew.]

I don't think he's boring either Drew and agree with your post.

That's just my opinion though and I don't ever 'insist' that it's true, that's also why I'm the first to say entertainment is a completely personal preference.

Plenty of people share your opinion, i know i do. If they didn't then Pauline would still be in there as most of the forum were sure she was supplying most of the entertainment by her arguing. I'd rather watch pranks, mischief, people making a fool out of themselves and housemates having a good laugh rather than shouting and arguing & Ash fits most of those categories.. But yeah its all personal preference.

[Jake.]

A balance of it all is key for me

[waylander1973]

I do not like him for a number of reasons.

Laughing when helen was calling jale a slug.

His overreaction to the last time he has been put for eviction.

Taking this show too seriously in general which might be the reason why people call him boring which is my answer to the op question.

[rionablue]

Ash is vain about everything else. He went into the house with his 'good looks' and was so sure he would snare the fittest girl (Kim) When he found out she nominated him his ego got a real bruising and he went for her all guns blazing saying she was the slyest housemate and probably the power housemate. He switched tack and said Helen was the fittest of the women (really ?) He nearly had a fit last week when he was up for eviction ( How COULD anyone have nominated him) This week he in his stupidity thought that Toya and Matt had SAVED kim. He is a grade one idiot and I am sick of him. I want him out but Marlon and Toya must go first. I just hope that young girls who vote to evict will see what he is REALLY like not just his looks

[Sophiee]

as if this place was going to like someone who argued with the sassy black female :laugh:.

[Macie Lightfoot]

You saying something isn't entertaining only pertains to you specifically though (and others that agree of course) you can't turn round and tell someone they do or don't find something entertaining because that is up to them to decide for themselves? :huh:

Ash was the one that retaliated to Toya's initial comment and that caused the rest of the arguments to take place.

Toyas rant in the DR wasn't in any way hilarious IMO again that's individual preference

And I'm not smoking anything.

Toya told a bunch of already calm people to clam the **** down and Winston called her Sylvester Stallone. Ash, like... called Toya a prick? Wow what a contribution. It was Toya's night; you could've put a mannequin doll in place of Ash and there'd be the same net effect.

And Ash is going nowhere, I don't know how you can seriously think he's going to be evicted. Toya's toast, even her fans have come around to that.

Plenty of people share your opinion, i know i do. If they didn't then Pauline would still be in there as most of the forum were sure she was supplying most of the entertainment by her arguing. I'd rather watch pranks, mischief, people making a fool out of themselves and housemates having a good laugh rather than shouting and arguing & Ash fits most of those categories.. But yeah its all personal preference.

Is there anything worse than people who rely on playing pranks all the time? Get your own sense of humor.

[Chuckyegg]

Boring thick and socially crippled. He will probably win.

[Drew.]

Is there anything worse than people who rely on playing pranks all the time? Get your own sense of humor.

Yes, people like you.

[Fish_Fingers]

Boring thick and socially crippled.

That's my analysis too. Watching paint dry is infinitely more interesting than seeing this excuse of a human being on my TV screen.

[Northern Monkey]

Only Toya made him relevant without Toya he would be boring

This^He did nothing until Toya brought his character out.

[Amy Jade]

I agree with Hayden, Jack and the first half of Troy's posts.

Ash is boring, he has provided zero and only when shoved by Toya did he bite. He seems to think the others are boring when in reality he has done by far the least to entertain while in the house.

[Lostie!]

I find him highly tedious. Usually, the ones who proclaim themselves to be the "fun" ones are the ones I can't take to. I don't see how him sitting there moaning makes him any better than others "sitting there braiding their hair".

[Northern Monkey]

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?
This also^ very good post.I voted Ash because if it's a choice between him and Toya,I'd keep Toya all day.VTS would defo solve this and would almost make certain someone who's really done nothing would go.

[Sophiee]

This^He did nothing until Toya brought his character out.
neither did toya aside from being pauline's sheep. hilarious how she talks about marlon being a sheep when she was the exact same thing just a week ago.

[Kizzy]

He's a jock type, and one of those obnoxious gits who thinks you're 'boring' if you don't drink or smoke...

[mrflibble]

He was a bore and still is a bore. The only difference is that we now know he's an arrogant bore. Someone saying a few words doesn't make them interesting or relevant - it's what they say, and all he says is that everyone else is a bore and that he's above having anything 'bad' happening against him. That's not entertaining.

[Kizzy]

Diss Ash?......
http://i.imgur.com/VVECyCg.gif

[Achilles]

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

The number of human beings in category 3 is far greater than the number of human beings in category 2 and the number of human beings in category 2 is far greater than the number of human beings in category 1.

Is Ash boring? The answer to the question depends on the person you are asking. If you ask a person in category 1, there is high probability the majority will answer yes. If you ask a person in category 3 there is a high probability the majority will answer no.

If you are asking and answering the question yourself, the category you fall in might influence your answer. If you look at the question from the perspective of the human population as a whole, the logical answer would be no Ash is not boring.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Question - do Ash fans also like Kris Donnelly? They're pretty much the same character at this point.

[Josy]

Question - do Ash fans also like Kris Donnelly? They're pretty much the same character at this point.

No.

[Mystic Mock]

He was a bore and still is a bore. The only difference is that we now know he's an arrogant bore. Someone saying a few words doesn't make them interesting or relevant - it's what they say, and all he says is that everyone else is a bore and that he's above having anything 'bad' happening against him. That's not entertaining.

His delusional which is what I'm starting to find entertaining.