Ashleigh is the top girl of the series!

[jet]

Ashleigh is the only original female HM left standing so she is the top girl of the series!
Helen doesn't count because if she hadn't had the free pass she would have been long gone.
So Ashleigh is this years top female! WELL DONE ASHLEIGH! :cheer2:

[rionablue]

Don't like her so no I don't agree

[Bridget51]

Totally agree. Really hope she wins and if not at least beat Helen and Ash. As the twat Stephen will be gone on Friday I haven't included him. Go Ashleigh and well done so far

[sampvt]

Ashleigh is the only original female HM left standing so she is the top girl of the series!
Helen doesn't count because if she hadn't had the free pass she would have been long gone.
So Ashleigh is this years top female! WELL DONE ASHLEIGH! :cheer2:

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

[jet]

Don't like her so no I don't agree

How can you not agree with a fact? :hehe: She is the last original female HM standing without a free pass...

[Livia]

I agree. If it was a showdown between Helen and Ashleigh, even people who didn't like Ashleigh would vote for her over Helen if you ask me.

[jet]

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

Ashleigh is already the top original female HM, as of the moment Danielle was evicted. She is the last one standing legitimately without the help of a free pass. Even if by some miracle Helen won, it wouldn't be a 100% legitimate win because she most definitely would have been evicted earlier on and most people would see it as an assisted win because of the free pass - as no way would she have won without it. A hollow victory indeed.
So Ashleigh has beat them all as the legitimate top girl even if she doesn't win. :cheer2:

[oblong]

Don't like her so no I don't agree

whether you like her or not, its true. She is the last standing original female housemate in the series

[Marsh.]

If Helen is not counted because "without her pass she'd have been evicted weeks ago" then Ashleigh doesn't count either because there's various times she'll have been evicted. Including last week, if Biannca hadn't been evicted then Ashleigh would've gone.

[sampvt]

Ashleigh is already the top original female HM, as of the moment Danielle was evicted. She is the last one standing legitimately without the help of a free pass. Even if by some miracle Helen won, it wouldn't be a 100% legitimate win because she most definitely would have been evicted earlier on and most people would see it as an assisted win because of the free pass - as no way would she have won without it. A hollow victory indeed.
So Ashleigh has beat them all as the legitimate top girl even if she doesn't win. :cheer2:

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

[divergent]

She's deffo the longest standing female, love her!

[joeysteele]

Don't like her so no I don't agree

I think she is fortunate to be still there to be honest.

While it is true Helen likely wouldn't be either, without Helen Ashleigh would have had few highlights or much relevance in the house at all for the whole series.

They both have to a degree, benefited from the other being in the house so long to enable them more storylines.I admit to that.

[jet]

If Helen is not counted because "without her pass she'd have been evicted weeks ago" then Ashleigh doesn't count either because there's various times she'll have been evicted. Including last week, if Biannca hadn't been evicted then Ashleigh would've gone.

Stop pulling a Winston, you silly thing you. :hehe:

[Achilles]

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

Helen has "some" of the public, Ashleigh has MORE of the public.
Helen has "some" of the excitable forum users, Ashleigh has MORE of the excitable forum users.

More people love Ashleigh.
More people hate Helen.
The intensity of support for Ashleigh is greater than the intensity of support for Helen.
The hate towards Helen is more intense than the hate towards Ashleigh.

Helen v Ashleigh 1v1 eviction, Helen is evicted

Ashleigh survived a 4 way eviction against 3 people where the total amount of hate for all 3 combined was less than the hate aimed at Helen.

What are you basing your "Helen is loved by the public" on?

[jet]

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

You are funny. :laugh:

[Jase.]

whether you like her or not, its true. She is the last standing original female housemate in the series

exactly lol

[Alf]

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.
Have you been popping acid?

[rionablue]

How can you not agree with a fact? :hehe: She is the last original female HM standing without a free pass...

She got very lucky as there were a few weeks if she had been put up she would have been out. What I don't agree with is that in my eyes she is not the top girl. I class top girl as the girl that I liked the best not the one who got the furthest

[Marsh.]

Stop pulling a Winston, you silly thing you. :hehe:

I'm cutting through the bullsh*t love. This forum loves the "one rule for one and another for everyone else" line of thinking. :idc:

But I notice the responses I get from you when you've ran out of counter arguments.

[Locke.]

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

Very true, most accurate post I have seen this year.

[sampvt]

Helen has "some" of the public, Ashleigh has MORE of the public.
Helen has "some" of the excitable forum users, Ashleigh has MORE of the excitable forum users.

More people love Ashleigh.
More people hate Helen.
The intensity of support for Ashleigh is greater than the intensity of support for Helen.
The hate towards Helen is more intense than the hate towards Ashleigh.

Helen v Ashleigh 1v1 eviction, Helen is evicted

Ashleigh survived a 4 way eviction against 3 people where the total amount of hate for all 3 combined was less than the hate aimed at Helen.

What are you basing your "Helen is loved by the public" on?

I have noticed that in your profile, it says nothing of you being related to Mystic meg so until Helen goes up for public scrutiny, we will need to shelve this hero worship. If you think Ashleigh is a be all and end all winner then show me the money honey, place a bet on her and if you don't bet, then your undying love will do. Sadly Helens supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail like a failing politician to convince people she is good, we already know this fact.

[jet]

I think she is fortunate to be still there to be honest.

While it is true Helen likely wouldn't be either, without Helen Ashleigh would have had few highlights or much relevance in the house at all for the whole series.

They both have to a degree, benefited from the other being in the house so long to enable them more storylines.I admit to that.

Ashleigh is still there because the public kept her there, and the new HM's kept her there, so she is there legitimately. It's Helen who is very very fortunate to be still there.

[sampvt]

Very true, most accurate post I have seen this year.

Thank you kind sir, its a change to get positive comments in this lonely world of defending Helen.

[jet]

I have noticed that in your profile, it says nothing of you being related to Mystic meg so until Helen goes up for public scrutiny, we will need to shelve this hero worship. If you think Ashleigh is a be all and end all winner then show me the money honey, place a bet on her and if you don't bet, then your undying love will do. Sadly Helens supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail like a failing politician to convince people she is good, we already know this fact.

You are getting funnier by the minute. Whatever will you come up with next? :joker::joker:

[jet]

Thank you kind sir, its a change to get positive comments in this lonely world of defending Helen.

Do you ever stop to think WHY it's a lonely world? :joker:

[poppsywoppsy]

I have noticed that in your profile, it says nothing of you being related to Mystic meg so until Helen goes up for public scrutiny, we will need to shelve this hero worship. If you think Ashleigh is a be all and end all winner then show me the money honey, place a bet on her and if you don't bet, then your undying love will do. Sadly Helens supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail like a failing politician to convince people she is good, we already know this fact.

I don't get Helen is good, exceedingly protected and unfairly so.

She has given little except for temper tantrums, made the tone of the house scared and tip toeing around her and contributes less to the house than anyone, she was there because of her notoriety and would have gone weeks ago if BB hadn't thought she needed protection.

Of course her supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail, she has a pass to the final, all Ashleigh supporters can hope for is that her two faces are shown, her rages are shown, her threats against others are shown and her false nice persona gets ripped to shreds when she gets what has been thrown at others, all in the week she is up for eviction.

Just want a level playing field.

BTW Well done Ashleigh, you have shown Helen and the public that a young decent clever girl can play the game better than wannabes, notorious women, pretty boys and nasty people.

[jet]

I'm cutting through the bullsh*t love. This forum loves the "one rule for one and another for everyone else" line of thinking. :idc:

But I notice the responses I get from you when you've ran out of counter arguments.

There is no counter - argument. Ashleigh is the last original female HM standing, as voted by the public and the new HM's. Do you disagree with that or something?

[joeysteele]

Ashleigh is still there because the public kept her there, and the new HM's kept her there, so she is there legitimately. It's Helen who is very very fortunate to be still there.

We cannot say that Helen would still not be there had she been up, the downfall and eviction of Ash has been predicted for the whole series for instance,yet he has defied the odds,as many past housemates have in past series too.

There have at times,despite being kept in, been chants of get Ashleigh out on eviction nights.
She is doing better now admittedly and has appeared so far to turn things around for herself but she has come close to going and it may well have been too that Helen may have come close to going but actually not gone either.

I still think after the female power week, that Ashleigh for her part in that,is fortunate to still be there,she would have been out for me just as for you Helen would be out anyway anytime.

I want Ashleigh out but I want Steven out more so I will be voting to evict him this week, that doesn't mean Ashleigh has won any of my support despite the fact she will stay.
It is just I want someone else out this week more than her so she won't get the high volume of votes she would have got from me had Steven not been up for eviction.

Sometimes it is simply a case of the public wanting several up for eviction in a week out but wanting one out more than the others at the time.
It doesn't mean they necessarily like or support the other housemate/s saved.

[jet]

I don't get Helen is good, exceedingly protected and unfairly so.

She has given little except for temper tantrums, made the tone of the house scared and tip toeing around her and contributes less to the house than anyone, she was there because of her notoriety and would have gone weeks ago if BB hadn't thought she needed protection.

Of course her supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail, she has a pass to the final, all Ashleigh supporters can hope for is that her two faces are shown, her rages are shown, her threats against others are shown and her false nice persona gets ripped to shreds when she gets what has been thrown at others, all in the week she is up for eviction.

Just want a level playing field.

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

There is no counter - argument. Ashleigh is the last original female HM standing, as voted by the public and the new HM's. Do you disagree with that or something?

Yes, because Helen - an original female - is still in there too.

Both Helen and Ashleigh have been saved by twists and without those twists both would have likely been evicted before now.

Again, it's not one rule for one and another for the other.

[sampvt]

There is no counter - argument. Ashleigh is the last original female HM standing, as voted by the public and the new HM's. Do you disagree with that or something?

I disagree, the show is run on a set of rules, guidelines and scenarios. Just because one person has been up for eviction and another has taken a different route, you cant say one is better or more popular than the other.

This question gets answered when they are both put before the jury and the votes are counted. Circumstantial and pretty weak hero worship tactics citing facts not in evidence amounts to a Kangroo court verdict, which in real life holds no judicial value at all.

I think that puts the argument to bed now does it not.

[poppsywoppsy]

I disagree, the show is run on a set of rules, guidelines and scenarios. Just because one person has been up for eviction and another has taken a different route, you cant say one is better or more popular than the other.

This question gets answered when they are both put before the jury and the votes are counted. Circumstantial and pretty weak hero worship tactics citing facts not in evidence amounts to a Kangroo court verdict, which in real life holds no judicial value at all.

I think that puts the argument to bed now does it not.

Absolutely not

When Helen and Ashleigh stand face to face for eviction then your argument will stand.

A free pass to the final, 15 warnings and a final warning does not make an even playing field against someone who has been up for eviction several times and survived every time.

[Achilles]

Yes, because Helen - an original female - is still in there too.

Both Helen and Ashleigh have been saved by twists and without those twists both would have likely been evicted before now.

Again, it's not one rule for one and another for the other.

How can you actually compare Helen being give a pass to the final right at the start of the show with what Ashleigh has survived? Mind boggles if you actually serious

[Marsh.]

How can you actually compare Helen being give a pass to the final right at the start of the show with what Ashleigh has survived? Mind boggles if you actually serious

Because they were both saved by twists.

Why's it so hard for you to wrap your brain around it?

[Shaun]

People seriously believe Helen would have survived ANY eviction? lol

OK, fair enough, maybe against Pauline.

[Achilles]

Because they were both saved by twists.

Why's it so hard for you to wrap your brain around it?

Helen was never "SAVED". She was given a final pass right at the beginning and so completely avoided everything that has followed.
You cannot be saved if you are in no danger to begin with.
HELEN HAS BEEN IMMUNE SINCE THE BEGINNING

[sampvt]

Absolutely not

When Helen and Ashleigh stand face to face for eviction then your argument will stand.

A free pass to the final, 15 warnings and a final warning does not make an even playing field against someone who has been up for eviction several times and survived every time.

Sadly opinions are just what they say, opinions. Facts overtrump opinions so till that day of reckoning arrives, we remain advisories in the wonderful world of reality tv and cyber warriorhood.

[DigitalMethod]

Its a shame this board doesn't allow users to insult each other because some of the delusional idiots that post here would be sent crying with their tails between their legs if we could truly GO IN on them.

As if Helen would survive any public vote. The stupidity i tell ya.

http://i39.tinypic.com/w2ey3n.jpg

[Marsh.]

Helen was never "SAVED". She was given a final pass right at the beginning and so completely avoided everything that has followed.
You cannot be saved if you are in no danger to begin with.
HELEN HAS BEEN IMMUNE SINCE THE BEGINNING

Yes.... that finale pass...... is a twist...... you're getting there.....

[jet]

Yes, because Helen - an original female - is still in there too.

Both Helen and Ashleigh have been saved by twists and without those twists both would have likely been evicted before now.

Again, it's not one rule for one and another for the other.

But Helen is untested because she has a free pass - and would almost certainly have gone long ago. How anyone could think Helen would still be there the first few weeks when she was vile and obnoxious and given a final warning for bullying is beyond me - unless they admire that sort of behaviour - and the British public don't, as no one like that has ever won.

As I said before Ashleigh is the only original top female HM left standing LEGITIMATELY, as voted for by the public and the new HM's.
I wish I didn't have to keep repeating myself Winston. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I wish I didn't have to keep repeating myself Winston. :laugh:

:pat: It's a shame when you have to resort to lame attempts at personal insults because you've ran out of things to say.

[jet]

Because they were both saved by twists.

Why's it so hard for you to wrap your brain around it?

Because your argument is so weak the brain discards it as worthless.

[jet]

:pat: It's a shame when you have to resort to lame attempts at personal insults because you've ran out of things to say.

I'm just speechless actually, because you are usually smarter than you are being right now, which makes me think you are pulling a Winston. :hehe:

And it is you who have run out of things to say as you didn't even respond to what I DID say...

[poppsywoppsy]

Sadly opinions are just what they say, opinions. Facts overtrump opinions so till that day of reckoning arrives, we remain advisories in the wonderful world of reality tv and cyber warriorhood.

And the facts are

Helen is immune

Ashleigh survived several evictions

Improvise all you like.

[sampvt]

And the facts are

Helen is immune

Ashleigh survived several evictions

Improvise all you like.

Discussions cause arguments, facts solve them. Discussing a might be, is a waste of time. Facts will solve this issue when they go up. Their paths to the final are different but they are both paths still within the rules and guidelines of BB and therefore the same regardless of you or anyone elses opinions.

[Marsh.]

And it is you who have run out of things to say as you didn't even respond to what I DID say...

I've not. My response is the same as before. I won't repeat myself.

[Marsh.]

Because your argument is so weak the brain discards it as worthless.

It's not weak.

The both of them only remain in the house at this point due to twists. A very simple fact.

[Achilles]

It's not weak.

The both of them only remain in the house at this point due to twists. A very simply fact.

Here is another fact.
Ashleigh has only been put in danger as a result of multiple twists.
Helen has NEVER been in danger EVER.

[Marsh.]

Here is another fact.
Ashleigh has only been put in danger as a result of multiple twists.
Helen has NEVER been in danger EVER.

Which is irrelevant to the point of the thread which is that they are both the last remaining original females.

You can't exclude Helen because she's been kept in via a twist, Ashleigh has too.

[jet]

Discussions cause arguments, facts solve them. Discussing a might be, is a waste of time. Facts will solve this issue when they go up. Their paths to the final are different but they are both paths still within the rules and guidelines of BB and therefore the same regardless of you or anyone elses opinions.

It's a fact that Ashleigh is the only female HM left standing without the benefit of a pass.

It's therefore a fact she is the one who has come out on top of all the females, as the whole point is to stay in the house as long as possible even though you are legible for nomination and eviction.

It's a fact that we can't possibly say whether Helen would still be there or not is she didn't have the pass. :hehe:

It's a fact that Ashleigh is still there.
Agreed?

[Marsh.]

And it's a fact Helen is there. The aim of the game is to stay there as long as possible, she got a finale pass, fair is fair.
Ashleigh would've been evicted a few previous times but avoided it via a twist, fair is fair.

[jet]

Which is irrelevant to the point of the thread which is that they are both the last remaining original females.

You can't exclude Helen because she's been kept in via a twist, Ashleigh has too.

Okay, Tell us about the twist which kept Ashleigh in, and we'll compare it with Helen's free pass.

[Marsh.]

Okay, Tell us about the twist which kept Ashleigh in, and we'll compare it with Helen's free pass.

Compare it? They were both twists which take the game away from the very basic housemates nominate/public vote eviction process.

Helen was given a pass by Pauline in a twist from that format.

Week 2, Chris was the only housemate to nominate, everyone else was not eligible. A twist on the format.

Week 4, Big Brother granted all females immunity from Friday's eviction. A twist on the format.

Week 6, Big Brother decides on no public vote. A twist on the format.

Week 6, the new housemates are given the power to evict one housemate, they settle on Ashleigh. A twist on the format.

The new housemates face a public vote to save without knowing, Bianca is evicted leaving Pav and Zoe to rethink their decision and evict Danielle.

Twists, twists, twists. NOT A SINGLE housemate this series has been nominated, faced a public vote, survived or been evicted without some kind of twist involved.

The show may have turned out very differently had we had a regular nominations/eviction process. So to single Helen out as the only housemate whose time has been dictated by a twist is laughable.

[jet]

Compare it? They were both twists which take the game away from the very basic housemates nominate/public vote eviction process.

Helen was given a pass by Pauline in a twist from that format.

Week 2, Chris was the only housemate to nominate, everyone else was not eligible. A twist on the format.

Week 4, Big Brother granted all females immunity from Friday's eviction. A twist on the format.

Week 6, Big Brother decides on no public vote. A twist on the format.

Week 6, the new housemates are given the power to evict one housemate, they settle on Ashleigh. A twist on the format.

The new housemates face a public vote to save without knowing, Bianca is evicted leaving Pav and Zoe to rethink their decision and evict Danielle.

Twists, twists, twists. NOT A SINGLE housemate this series has been nominated, faced a public vote, survived or been evicted without some kind of twist involved.

The show may have turned out very differently had we had a regular nominations/eviction process. So to single Helen out as the only housemate whose time has been dictated by a twist is laughable.


Would you answer the question I asked and stop wriggling? This thread is about Ashleigh being the top girl of the series. What twists has kept Asheligh in that didn't affect all the HM's or all the other female HM's. What direct advantage has she had that is in any way comparable to Helen's free pass?

[jet]

Here is another fact.
Ashleigh has only been put in danger as a result of multiple twists.
Helen has NEVER been in danger EVER.

:clap1: Exactly!

[Marsh.]

Would you answer the question I asked and stop wriggling? This thread is about Ashleigh being the top girl of the series. What twists has kept Asheligh in that didn't affect all the HM's or all the other female HM's. What direct advantage has she had that is in any way comparable to Helen's free pass?

I just listed the specific twists that had an effect on Ashleigh in the house.

I'm not wriggling from anything.

EVERY SINGLE housemate has had their safety or eviction come from a twist. That is my point.

But remain trapped in Ashleigh's anal cavity, she's been through so much after all. *sob*

[Yoshi888]

Ashleigh wins despite some bitchy girls hating on her heavies they are like sooooo jel of her natural hair and beauty

[rionablue]

Compare it? They were both twists which take the game away from the very basic housemates nominate/public vote eviction process.

Helen was given a pass by Pauline in a twist from that format.

Week 2, Chris was the only housemate to nominate, everyone else was not eligible. A twist on the format.

Week 4, Big Brother granted all females immunity from Friday's eviction. A twist on the format.

Week 6, Big Brother decides on no public vote. A twist on the format.

Week 6, the new housemates are given the power to evict one housemate, they settle on Ashleigh. A twist on the format.

The new housemates face a public vote to save without knowing, Bianca is evicted leaving Pav and Zoe to rethink their decision and evict Danielle.

Twists, twists, twists. NOT A SINGLE housemate this series has been nominated, faced a public vote, survived or been evicted without some kind of twist involved.

The show may have turned out very differently had we had a regular nominations/eviction process. So to single Helen out as the only housemate whose time has been dictated by a twist is laughable.

We don't often agree Marsh but this is a good post and well researched. And you are right. The whole ****ing series is dominated by twists. A twist every now and again is ok but it gets boring when its every single bloody week

[Marsh.]

We don't often agree Marsh but this is a good post and well researched. And you are right. The whole ****ing series is dominated by twists. A twist every now and again is ok but it gets boring when its every single bloody week

Yep. I only included the twists which had an effect on Ashleigh but I could've listed one for every single week/every single eviction. The whole series has been dominated by them and no housemate has been untouched by it.

[Marsh.]

Ashleigh wins despite some bitchy girls hating on her heavies they are like sooooo jel of her natural hair and beauty

You need to go and have a wank to let off some sexual tension or something.

[jet]

I just listed the specific twists that had an effect on Ashleigh in the house.

I'm not wriggling from anything.

EVERY SINGLE housemate has had their safety or eviction come from a twist. That is my point.

But remain trapped in Ashleigh's anal cavity, she's been through so much after all. *sob*

Ahh, so you are backing out and throwing an insult on the way.
Ashleigh remains the undisputed original top female of the series. :cheer2:
And all Helen has is a free pass to nothing :laugh:

[sampvt]

Helen has had a load of twists thrown at her and Ashleigh hasn't. Helen has been the most talked about and controversial contestant and Ashleigh spent 3 weeks on her bed. Helen has.........you know what, this whole argument is so bloody silly its turned into a na na na na na crappy school kids fight. The simple fact is that Ashleigh has been sheltered and helped along where as Helen has had crap thrown at her from day one so when all angles are considered, Helen is the most deserving HM and therefore the most deserving of our support. What entertainment has the silly dog hugging princess *******igh offered...... Yawn yawn.

[Marsh.]

I've not backed out, if you refuse to acknowledge what's being said that's your problem.

Continue acting as though the finale pass is the only twist this series. :whistle:

[chuff me dizzy]

Im not a fan,but yes she's best female this series ,mind you not much competition with the rabble we've had this year

[jet]

Helen has had a load of twists thrown at her and Ashleigh hasn't. Helen has been the most talked about and controversial contestant and Ashleigh spent 3 weeks on her bed. Helen has.........you know what, this whole argument is so bloody silly its turned into a na na na na na crappy school kids fight. The simple fact is that Ashleigh has been sheltered and helped along where as Helen has had crap thrown at her from day one so when all angles are considered, Helen is the most deserving HM and therefore the most deserving of our support. What entertainment has the silly dog hugging princess *******igh offered...... Yawn yawn.

:crazy: I'm out of here. I'll leave the loonies to it. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

:pat:

[chuff me dizzy]

Helen has had a load of twists thrown at her and Ashleigh hasn't. Helen has been the most talked about and controversial contestant and Ashleigh spent 3 weeks on her bed. Helen has.........you know what, this whole argument is so bloody silly its turned into a na na na na na crappy school kids fight. The simple fact is that Ashleigh has been sheltered and helped along where as Helen has had crap thrown at her from day one so when all angles are considered, Helen is the most deserving HM and therefore the most deserving of our support. What entertainment has the silly dog hugging princess *******igh offered...... Yawn yawn.

Are you pissed up ? :shocked:

[poppsywoppsy]

What twists has Helen had, she hasn't had any, she still has her free pass.

Ash has had twists

Ashleigh has had twists, in fact they all have had twists while Helen is immune.

Give me entertainment which is not street corner cat fights from Helen which for some merits the entertainment label.

[Marsh.]

A free pass to the final is benefitting from a twist. :facepalm:

[sampvt]

Are you pissed up ? :shocked:

getting there, lol.

[Achilles]

Helen and Steven belong on shows like League of Gentlemen and Little Britain not Big Brother. Big Brother is supposed to be for normal people like it was in the good old days.

[chuff me dizzy]

getting there, lol.

Thought as much if you're praising the house *****

[sampvt]

Thought as much if you're praising the house *****

Im not praising her, I just think she is the most entertaining HM, but she is still a bitch. Arguing with these 2 is just passing time between sips and olives and waiting for the final instalment of the grease my palm story written by Kimberly and stars he hubby to be and deperado mother in the wings.

[Yoshi888]

You need to go and have a wank to let off some sexual tension or something.

Don't be crude don't be jel and don't be a bully or princess ash will kick you in the ...

[chuff me dizzy]

Im not praising her, I just think she is the most entertaining HM, but she is still a bitch. Arguing with these 2 is just passing time between sips and olives and waiting for the final instalment of the grease my palm story written by Kimberly and stars he hubby to be and deperado mother in the wings.

Without the pass she would have been gone week after Pauline if not instead of Pauline, hardly a well loved hm8

[sassysocks]

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

What are you on about. Helen is by far the nasty self-absorbed bitch and the public can't stand her. Yes Helen is a chav and other chavs will like her, but who the hell cares what the chavs think.

[sampvt]

you might not and neither do I tbh, but their votes shout loud and clear.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Morsh with the Ashleigh hate

Again?

[sassysocks]

you might not and neither do I tbh, but their votes shout loud and clear.

The brainless chavs can shout as loud as they like, no one else is listening.

[RodHull]

Helen has had a load of twists thrown at her and Ashleigh hasn't. Helen has been the most talked about and controversial contestant and Ashleigh spent 3 weeks on her bed. Helen has.........you know what, this whole argument is so bloody silly its turned into a na na na na na crappy school kids fight. The simple fact is that Ashleigh has been sheltered and helped along where as Helen has had crap thrown at her from day one so when all angles are considered, Helen is the most deserving HM and therefore the most deserving of our support. What entertainment has the silly dog hugging princess *******igh offered...... Yawn yawn.

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

[ruiphillips]

Queen Ashleigh needs to take the crown and become the best female winner since Kate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Queen Ashleigh needs to take the crown and become the best female winner since Kate.

Amen:cheer2:

[Marsh.]

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

:clap1:

[abhorson]

you might not and neither do I tbh, but their votes shout loud and clear.

Helen does not have the public. Come on.

[Kazanne]

What are you on about. Helen is by far the nasty self-absorbed bitch and the public can't stand her. Yes Helen is a chav and other chavs will like her, but who the hell cares what the chavs think.

Well I'm not a chav thankyou very much and I much prefer Helen to Ashleigh,how about I say sly devious people will like Ashleigh as like is drawn to like.

[joeysteele]

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

Excellent post,

[Sophiee]

by far, the selection of girls this year has just been abysmal.

[jet]

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

No, people love Ashleigh because she has guts and morals. She didn't fall into line like the little immature schoolboys did to win her approval and escape the wrath of her vile gob. She refused to be cowed by her and the few fans that Helen has can't stand that an 18 year old is more mature, smarter and has more fans than the usual BB chav type which is SO old...

Helen IS a hideous bully. Perhaps you forget that BB has given her numerous warnings for just that very trait? I have to laugh when you say she got brutal edits - if she didn't do it, they couldn't show it.
The jealously towards a young, beautiful, smart, moralistic girl from a minority is not unusual. She's outstanding in so many ways, and that's threatening to those who feel better about themselves by championing a chav...:laugh:

And nobody knows what Ashleigh would have been like if Helen hadn't been there, so your point there is irrelevant and just heresay.

[Macie Lightfoot]

If Helen is not counted because "without her pass she'd have been evicted weeks ago" then Ashleigh doesn't count either because there's various times she'll have been evicted. Including last week, if Biannca hadn't been evicted then Ashleigh would've gone.

I know quite a few people have responded to this already but I'm surprised that nobody responded with the (obvious) fact that KIMBERLY would've been evicted before Ashleigh anyway

[Kazanne]

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

What a great post:clap1:

[RockBottom]

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

Well if the pageant thing doesn't work out for her, I see a future in soap operas. :bawling::bawling:

[jet]

What a great post:clap1:

:fist: It's a load of bull. How is it a great post when it says Ashleigh fans only perceive her as a bully. You'll be saying next that Helen didn't get warnings and a final one for bullying and Ashleigh fans just made that up to damn her. :laugh:

[jet]

I know quite a few people have responded to this already but I'm surprised that nobody responded with the (obvious) fact that KIMBERLY would've been evicted before Ashleigh anyway

:thumbs: Exactly!

[Achilles]

:cheer2: Cinderella Ashleigh to win BIG BROTHER 2014 :cheer2:

Who cares what ugly step sisters think :tongue:

[Marsh.]

I know quite a few people have responded to this already but I'm surprised that nobody responded with the (obvious) fact that KIMBERLY would've been evicted before Ashleigh anyway

Right. My point still stands. Twists, twists, twists.

Every exit, every save, every nomination this series has been because of a twist or other random event such as a walker or a new housemate. None of it has come from a natural and normal nomination/eviction process. So to single Helen out as the only housemate to have made her way through the show on the back of twists is incorrect.

[Shaun]

Well not quite, really, since the only other candidate for "being saved a lot" is Steven and that looks pretty set to end this week.

- Winston has been about as involved in the twists as Nelson Mandela has.
- Mark has wriggled around and been involved in just the one twist, Ashleigh's alliance.
- Christopher has been up for eviction at near enough every opportunity (and has only survived on account of being terminally dull)
- Chris has faced a fair few too, and aside from being voted as power housemate and sworn into Ashleigh's fake alliance, has had no assistance.
- Jale had a brief sojourn with being the bullying victim but then had to go because Marlon saved himself.
- Pav and Zoe face eviction at the very first opportunity (and indeed had to go through one to get in the house)
- And of course Ashleigh's been undone by the first one she's involved in (this one).

And then there're the housemates who've fallen at the first hurdle of being involved in a twist: Matthew, Toya, Pauline, Danielle...

In fact the only housemates who've saved themselves through a twist aside from Helen are Marlon (that ended well), Ash (who cares?) and anyone in week 4 who was lucky enough to have been born with a vagina.

[Marsh.]

:confused: Winston faced eviction during girl power week.... because of a twist.

What I'm saying is that decisions as to who goes up for eviction each week comes from a twist rather than the natural process anyway.

[Shaun]

Indeed he did so that's further evidence of Helen being isolated as the only safe housemate isn't it :pipe:

[Marsh.]

Indeed he did so that's further evidence of Helen being isolated as the only safe housemate isn't it :pipe:

No because all of the females were?

I feel you've taken my original point off topic. My point is none of them have made their way to now via a fair and consistent system. They're all there via luck of the draw because of the twists which could've seen any of them out before now. Especially because those twists were last minute, shoddily thrown together things each and every week.

So Helen is not the only one in there to have made it to that week via an unfair, shoddy system. To some degree, they all have.

For example, the week Chris was the only one to nominate, everybody who wasn't in his firing line benefited from that when he was targeting Jale's bullies. They didn't "survive" a fair nomination process.

In fact, given recent twists, it's making the pass to the final look a hell of a lot fairer.

[Creggle]

Yes, because Helen - an original female - is still in there too.

Both Helen and Ashleigh have been saved by twists and without those twists both would have likely been evicted before now.

Again, it's not one rule for one and another for the other.

He's got a point, I'm Ashleigh's biggest fan and he has a point.

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

He's got a point, I'm Ashleigh's biggest fan and he has a point.

:clap1:

:worship:

[Ammi]

..a lot of them may have been up for eviction because of twists but they're eligible to be nominated and that's something that Helen has never been and even she says, she would like to experience the 'whole' BB so for me out of all of the females, Ashleigh is the 'top female' because she potentially could have been evicted but hasn't been...Helen has always had the advantage over any other housemate of being untouchable and therefore is a 'unique' housemate from that respect and can't really be compared with other housemates....

[KeanO]

Definitely the top girl, Helen would have been out week 1 or 2 had she not been allowed a free ride.(no pun intended)

[joeysteele]

..a lot of them may have been up for eviction because of twists but they're eligible to be nominated and that's something that Helen has never been and even she says, she would like to experience the 'whole' BB so for me out of all of the females, Ashleigh is the 'top female' because she potentially could have been evicted but hasn't been...Helen has always had the advantage over any other housemate of being untouchable and therefore is a 'unique' housemate from that respect and can't really be compared with other housemates....

That isn't Helen's fault though,I don't care what any of the housemates say, any of them would have loved to have the free pass to the final from Pauline.
Helen is no way my favourite there but she is an equal housemate who got a very early 'perk' in the series,which I think was wrong to be given so early but again that is not her fault.

Asheigh for instance along with the other females, got a power week solely for them where only the guys were going to be up for eviction.
That isn't an equal scenario either.
Ashleigh may well have gone that week had she not then be protected from being up that week too.

Helen has still had to be in the house, do all the tasks and all else BB expects apart from being at the front of the eviction process.
That surely has to be what a free pass is however and should not have her deemed any less a housemate.
Had she chosen to get the pass, fine, however she was given it and not a sinngle housemate I bet would have refused it either had it been given them by Pauline rather than Helen.

Helen has the advantage because someone had to get that pass,Pauline of all of them chose her for it.
Her status as a housemate should not be belittled and brought down because she had it, if she hadn't the pass then someone else would have it.
I don't get the being pilloried for having something that was 'given' to you.

So for me the top female can be a personal choice as to who is liked but Helen and Ashleigh have been there from the start and one having a free pass while the other doesnt to the final,should not in my opinion make one of any higher status than the other.
I don't like Ashleigh, I make no secret of that,Helen is someone I would talk to but not really have anything to do with but for me on a status level they are both equal in that house as to the major females housemates for the time they have been in it.

It isn't Helen's fault at all that she has what you call an 'advantage', therefore her status as an equal housemate cannot be in question just because she has that pass
A pass which in truth, could have been given to any of the original housemates, except Pauline herself who was the one who decided who got it.

[Ammi]

That isn't Helen's fault though,I don't care what any of the housemates say, any of them would have loved to have the free pass to the final from Pauline.
Helen is no way my favourite there but she is an equal housemate who got a very early 'perk' in the series,which I think was wrong to be given so early but again that is not her fault.

Asheigh for instance along with the other females, got a power week solely for them where only the guys were going to be up for eviction.
That isn't an equal scenario either.
Ashleigh may well have gone that week had she not then be protected from being up that week too.

Helen has still had to be in the house, do all the tasks and all else BB expects apart from being at the front of the eviction process.
That surely has to be what a free pass is however and should not have her deemed any less a housemate.
Had she chosen to get the pass, fine, however she was given it and not a sinngle housemate I bet would have refused it either had it been given them by Pauline rather than Helen.

Helen has the advantage because someone had to get that pass,Pauline of all of them chose her for it.
Her status as a housemate should not be belittled and brought down because she had it, if she hadn't the pass then someone else would have it.
I don't get the being pilloried for having something that was 'given' to you.

So for me the top female can be a personal choice as to who is liked but Helen and Ashleigh have been there from the start and one having a free pass while the other doesnt to the final,should not in my opinion make one of any higher status than the other.
I don't like Ashleigh, I make no secret of that,Helen is someone I would talk to but not really have anything to do with but for me on a status level they are both equal in that house as to the major females housemates for the time they have been in it.

It isn't Helen's fault at all that she has what you call an 'advantage', therefore her status as an equal housemate cannot be in question just because she has that pass
A pass which in truth, could have been given to any of the original housemates, except Pauline herself who was the one who decided who got it.



...it’s not ‘equal’ though Joey and never will be unless she had been eligible to be nominated at some point like all other housemates were, regardless of twists or ‘power’..it was never meant to be equal though when BB gave it out, it was always meant to set that person apart and make them unique...I never said it was her fault, she didn’t choose to be chosen by Pauline but it’s still had the same result regardless of making her a ‘unique’ housemate as no one ever before on BB has been exempt form nomination/eviction for the entire series...what is helen’s responsibility though are the flaws in her character that to some/many and me included, make her quite unlikable as a person ...as are Ashleigh’s flaws as well and all other housemates and we all see those differently as well...but in terms of ‘all being equal/a level playing field’ so to speak, for me and as seen in this thread..lots of other people, Ashleigh is ‘top female’ because she and also by no fault of her own has experienced everything that is BB...nomination/eviction is one of the things that the housemates must hate most, the unpleasant thing part of rejection they have to go through at some point unless they’re that one winner and for Helen..when she’s so critical ofwho nominated who etc and why, she should have empathy for that and how hard it’s been for housemates to make these decisions and been the ones to ‘suffer’ from these decisions and in a way, it’s ok also for her fans in general to be critical of the fans of other housemates and how frustrated they have got by all these twists and turns etc and say..oh you wouldn’t say that if it was Helen..but they’ve also not been supporting a housemate where there was any fear of an eviction of that housemate and we all know from other years and no exemptions, how ‘excitable’..:laugh:..we get about that and worrying that our housemate will go....I will say also though Joey that it’s not just because it’s Helen, I would have said that the housemate has not had the full experience no matter who it was and it’s even what Helen knows and has said herself...she will outstay Ashleigh unless Ashleigh reaches the final and then she may not but for me Ashleigh is the ‘top female’ because she reached that stage with the possibility of eviction most weeks....

[sampvt]

I think everyone knows what these 2 girls bring to the show. Helen wears her heart on her sleeve and is a self confessed bitch, but she is TV gold where excitement is concerned and *******igh represents the game players of the world and that's it in a nutshell. We have got rid of the other female tossers, its now left to *******igh to fly the flag for the gamers and Helen keeps the series interesting. I know who has given me the most entertainment, do you.

[Ellen]

Helen might have gone if not for the pass to the final, Ashleigh might also have gone if it had not been for the twists. They both needed each other in the house and help with the twists to be where they are now.

[joeysteele]

...it’s not ‘equal’ though Joey and never will be unless she had been eligible to be nominated at some point like all other housemates were, regardless of twists or ‘power’..it was never meant to be equal though when BB gave it out, it was always meant to set that person apart and make them unique...I never said it was her fault, she didn’t choose to be chosen by Pauline but it’s still had the same result regardless of making her a ‘unique’ housemate as no one ever before on BB has been exempt form nomination/eviction for the entire series...what is helen’s responsibility though are the flaws in her character that to some/many and me included, make her quite unlikable as a person ...as are Ashleigh’s flaws as well and all other housemates and we all see those differently as well...but in terms of ‘all being equal/a level playing field’ so to speak, for me and as seen in this thread..lots of other people, Ashleigh is ‘top female’ because she and also by no fault of her own has experienced everything that is BB...nomination/eviction is one of the things that the housemates must hate most, the unpleasant thing part of rejection they have to go through at some point unless they’re that one winner and for Helen..when she’s so critical ofwho nominated who etc and why, she should have empathy for that and how hard it’s been for housemates to make these decisions and been the ones to ‘suffer’ from these decisions and in a way, it’s ok also for her fans in general to be critical of the fans of other housemates and how frustrated they have got by all these twists and turns etc and say..oh you wouldn’t say that if it was Helen..but they’ve also not been supporting a housemate where there was any fear of an eviction of that housemate and we all know from other years and no exemptions, how ‘excitable’..:laugh:..we get about that and worrying that our housemate will go....I will say also though Joey that it’s not just because it’s Helen, I would have said that the housemate has not had the full experience no matter who it was and it’s even what Helen knows and has said herself...she will outstay Ashleigh unless Ashleigh reaches the final and then she may not but for me Ashleigh is the ‘top female’ because she reached that stage with the possibility of eviction most weeks....

How can she be nominated if BB made the scenario that someone had to get a free pass to the final.
She didn't make the rules, she has done all within the rules,even getting warned for bad behaviour but settling down after that.

She has done everything that BB has told her to and expects her to,she cannot be nominated because of that pass, she cannot then be nominated because of the scenario BB brought into play.
So from the scenario that BB themselves set up, she is doing everything expected of her so how she can 'not' be an equal housemate as to status.

Would you have refused the free pass from Pauline, I certainly wouldn't have,even if I had been able to.
However, then being in that position I would 100% for sure not rate myself any less a housemate than the other housemates for having the pass either.

[Ammi]

How can she be nominated if BB made the scenario that someone had to get a free pass to the final.
She didn't make the rules, she has done all within the rules,even getting warned for bad behaviour but settling down after that.

She has done everything that BB has told her to and expects her to,she cannot be nominated because of that pass, she cannot then be nominated because of the scenario BB brought into play.
So from the scenario that BB themselves set up, she is doing everything expected of her so how she can 'not' be an equal housemate as to status.

Would you have refused the free pass from Pauline, I certainly wouldn't have,even if I had been able to.
However, then being in that position I would 100% for sure not rate myself any less a housemate than the other housemates for having the pass either.

..I think we're at cross purposes here Joey, I have never said that Helen having the pass was anything other than a decision made by BB to have Pauline choose someone as the whole series has been the power house and giving someone that pass was always meant to be an advantage and something different to see how that panned out and an 'advantage' can never be an 'equal' and that's what I mean and what the OP means and isn't blaming Helen as such for having the pass but the results of having it has meant that they are 'above' and exempt one crucial BB element which is to face the possibility of nomination and eviction which is a fact of having the pass and not putting blame on the person having it...

[poppsywoppsy]

I don't find Helen entertaining at all, more a malevolent prescience which others have to creep around or get shouted at and humiliated.

What has she done except moan and call others out. She is just there in the tasks, has no discernable talents and has a pass to the final which keeps her there no matter what. She didn't earn it or do something notable to get it.

She has little humour, but will turn on a sixpence regarding others.

I need something with a lot more to it to be entertaining rather than school playground chanting to stop someone making their point.

[Sophiee]

That isn't Helen's fault though,I don't care what any of the housemates say, any of them would have loved to have the free pass to the final from Pauline.
Helen is no way my favourite there but she is an equal housemate who got a very early 'perk' in the series,which I think was wrong to be given so early but again that is not her fault.

Asheigh for instance along with the other females, got a power week solely for them where only the guys were going to be up for eviction.
That isn't an equal scenario either.
Ashleigh may well have gone that week had she not then be protected from being up that week too.

Helen has still had to be in the house, do all the tasks and all else BB expects apart from being at the front of the eviction process.
That surely has to be what a free pass is however and should not have her deemed any less a housemate.
Had she chosen to get the pass, fine, however she was given it and not a sinngle housemate I bet would have refused it either had it been given them by Pauline rather than Helen.

Helen has the advantage because someone had to get that pass,Pauline of all of them chose her for it.
Her status as a housemate should not be belittled and brought down because she had it, if she hadn't the pass then someone else would have it.
I don't get the being pilloried for having something that was 'given' to you.

So for me the top female can be a personal choice as to who is liked but Helen and Ashleigh have been there from the start and one having a free pass while the other doesnt to the final,should not in my opinion make one of any higher status than the other.
I don't like Ashleigh, I make no secret of that,Helen is someone I would talk to but not really have anything to do with but for me on a status level they are both equal in that house as to the major females housemates for the time they have been in it.

It isn't Helen's fault at all that she has what you call an 'advantage', therefore her status as an equal housemate cannot be in question just because she has that pass
A pass which in truth, could have been given to any of the original housemates, except Pauline herself who was the one who decided who got it.
I agree with you, just because she has a pass to the finale it makes her no less of a housemate than the others, she's in exactly the same position as the rest of them. somebody could go all series long without being nominated, does that not make them equal to the others then? :conf:

[jet]

..I think we're at cross purposes here Joey, I have never said that Helen having the pass was anything other than a decision made by BB to have Pauline choose someone as the whole series has been the power house and giving someone that pass was always meant to be an advantage and something different to see how that panned out and an 'advantage' can never be an 'equal' and that's what I mean and what the OP means and isn't blaming Helen as such for having the pass but the results of having it has meant that they are 'above' and exempt one crucial BB element which is to face the possibility of nomination and eviction which is a fact of having the pass and not putting blame on the person having it...

Exactly Ammi.
Ashleigh is the top original female of the series because all the other females she was on an equal footing with have gone. If a HM has a free pass, no matter if it is Helen or some other female, they are not on an equal footing with the rest of the HM's because of that advantage.
If there was a obstacle race, and one person gets told they can run that race without any obstacles but all the others have to tackle the obstacles, would that be a fair and equal race?
Helen and the other HM's were never on an equal playing field, and Ashleigh is the top girl because she has won the race competing with her equals.

[joeysteele]

I agree with you, just because she has a pass to the finale it makes her no less of a housemate than the others, she's in exactly the same position as the rest of them. somebody could go all series long without being nominated, does that not make them equal to the others then? :conf:

Absolutely Sophiee and thank you so much for getting my point.

BB are the people who were wrong to introduce the free pass,not the person who gave it out or the housemate that got it.
However since it is there, one housemate has had to carry it through.

Of course a housemate can be seen as a top housemate as a 'personal preference' by viewers of liking them but they cannot and should not,in my view, be downgraded as a BB housemate when they are doing everything they are expected to as a housemate by BB in the scenarios that BB have set up.

Really,thank you for seeing that point I am making.

[waterhog]

not only is ashligh the top girl of the series but she will be the right winner.

[jet]

I agree with you, just because she has a pass to the finale it makes her no less of a housemate than the others, she's in exactly the same position as the rest of them. somebody could go all series long without being nominated, does that not make them equal to the others then? :conf:

Helen is NOT in the same position as the rest of them because she CAN'T be nominated.
Someone who goes the whole series without being nominated is in the same position as the rest because they COULD HAVE been nominated, so therefore started out on an equal footing with them.

It does not make Helen a lesser HM, but it makes Ashleigh the top original girl of the ones on an equal footing with her, as she is still there and those WHO COULD BE NOMINATED are gone.

How can you not grasp that concept?

[Yoshi888]

I don't find Helen entertaining at all, more a malevolent prescience which others have to creep around or get shouted at and humiliated.

What has she done except moan and call others out. She is just there in the tasks, has no discernable talents and has a pass to the final which keeps her there no matter what. She didn't earn it or do something notable to get it.

She has little humour, but will turn on a sixpence regarding others.

I need something with a lot more to it to be entertaining rather than school playground chanting to stop someone making their point.

I agree and I don't think she is entertaining in the same way a car crash is not. She should never been allowed a free pass and she would of been out long ago but having said that bb is doing everything it can to keep the vile housemates in the house.

[jet]

Absolutely Sophiee and thank you so much for getting my point.

BB are the people who were wrong to introduce the free pass,not the person who gave it out or the housemate that got it.
However since it is there, one housemate has had to carry it through.

Of course a housemate can be seen as a top housemate as a 'personal preference' by viewers of liking them but they cannot and should not,in my view, be downgraded as a BB housemate when they are doing everything they are expected to as a housemate by BB in the scenarios that BB have set up.

Really,thank you for seeing that point I am making.

But Ashleigh being the top original female HM of all the HM's who could be nominated and are now gone is not a personal preference Joey, it is a FACT.
That purpose of the thread was to celebrate that fact...:cheer2:

[sampvt]

top this top that, makes not a jot of difference who is leading on the first lap of the 1000 meters. its the winning line that counts and your girl is a sprinter not a stayer.

[joeysteele]

But Ashleigh being the top original female HM of all the HM's who could be nominated and are now gone is not a personal preference Joey, it is a FACT.
That purpose of the thread was to celebrate that fact...:cheer2:

I don't agree because Helen didn't have the choice to take the free pass so she is no lesser a housemate in my view than any other because of it.

Just as no housemate,whoever got the pass would have been either.
Helen cannot be nominated because of BB not because of herself.
So she has no control over events the same way Ashleigh and all other housemates haven't,she is also fully abiding by all the rules and scenarios laid down by BB as much as Ashleigh is.

We are never going to agree but I doubt this discussion would be as important if Ashleigh had been the one given the free pass.
That would have made not a jot of difference to me and I would,if such a scenario was the case,be arguing still that Ashleigh was no less a housemate than the others if she had got the pass too.

[jet]

I don't agree because Helen didn't have the choice to take the free pass so she is no lesser a housemate in my view than any other because of it.

Just as no housemate,whoever got the pass would have been either.
Helen cannot be nominated because of BB not because of herself.
So she has no control over events the same way Ashleigh and all other housemates haven't,she is also fully abiding by all the rules and scenarios laid down by BB as much as Ashleigh is.

We are never going to agree but I doubt this discussion would be as important if Ashleigh had been the one given the free pass.
That would have made not a jot of difference to me and I would,if such a scenario was the case,be arguing still that Ashleigh was no less a housemate than the others if she had got the pass too.

Joey, are you winding me up? :hehe: I can't believe you don't understand what I am saying.
Okay, lets try this - do you agree or disagree that Ashleigh is the only original girl left out of all those who could be nominated? Yes or no?

[sampvt]

Joey, are you winding me up? :hehe: I can't believe you don't understand what I am saying.
Okay, lets try this - do you agree or disagree that Ashleigh is the only original girl left out of all those who could be nominated? Yes or no?

Pointed questions will always get results but in the light of day, it matters not a jot who does what or who has this and that. Its a game with rules and twists and they are both subjected to these things.

The winner is the one that gets to be last in the house and Ashleigh wont be last in there, no way, no matter how you perceive her or how many stats you force us to read. Its a game and favs change so quickly. Look at mark in one week he has gone from the lead singer to a roady that shares a bed with a 30 stone tattooed biker called Mavis, hardly top of the pops is he.

Ashleigh will go the same way. Let her have her day because there are not many ahead.

[joeysteele]

Joey, are you winding me up? :hehe: I can't believe you don't understand what I am saying.
Okay, lets try this - do you agree or disagree that Ashleigh is the only original girl left out of all those who could be nominated? Yes or no?

Yes but that is only the case because of the BB rules and the scenario they put in place, so therefore, since it is not the housemate's fault who has the free pass, she cannot in any way be fairly classed to be a lesser housemate.
I cannot believe you, who are usually fair, also don't see that major fact.

This is BB created, not created by Helen or any other housemate, she is only doing as she is told and expected to do.
It makes them both equal housemates,the only difference being that by BB rules in this series, one can be nominated and the other cannot.
It makes neither a lesser or better housemate.

[jet]

Yes but that is only the case because of the BB rules and the scenario they put in place, so therefore, since it is not the housemate's fault who has the free pass, she cannot in any way be fairly classed to be a lesser housemate.
I cannot believe you, who are usually fair, also don't see that major fact.

This is BB created, not created by Helen or any other housemate, she is only doing as she is told and expected to do.
It makes them both equal housemates,the only difference being that by BB rules in this series, one can be nominated and the other cannot.
It makes neither a lesser or better housemate.

If you read my previous posts you would know I have already said Helen is not a lesser HM because she got the free pass and it would be the same no matter who got it. I have never said it is her fault, NEVER.

But you said yes, and have agreed that Ashleigh is the top original HM left of those who could be nominated, and as that was the subject of the thread, I don't know why it took so long to get there. :hehe:

[sampvt]

Jet you seem to be trying to corner someone into admitting what we are all aware of just to gain brownie points. Its not apples and apples you are talking about.

[jet]

Pointed questions will always get results but in the light of day, it matters not a jot who does what or who has this and that. Its a game with rules and twists and they are both subjected to these things.

The winner is the one that gets to be last in the house and Ashleigh wont be last in there, no way, no matter how you perceive her or how many stats you force us to read. Its a game and favs change so quickly. Look at mark in one week he has gone from the lead singer to a roady that shares a bed with a 30 stone tattooed biker called Mavis, hardly top of the pops is he.

Ashleigh will go the same way. Let her have her day because there are not many ahead.

But this thread isn't about who will win, it's about Ashleigh being the top original female out of those who could be nominated. How many times do I have to say it?

[joeysteele]

If you read my previous posts you would know I have already said Helen is not a lesser HM because she got the free pass and it would be the same no matter who got it. I have never said it is her fault, NEVER.

But you said yes, and have agreed that Ashleigh is the top original HM left of those who could be nominated, and as that was the subject of the thread, I don't know why it took so long to get there. :hehe:

No,no no I didn't jet,please don't twist my words, I did not say and would never say that Ashleigh is the 'top' female housemate

I said yes 'only' to the fact she is the only original female housemate that can be nominated not that she is the 'top' female housemate,to me that does not make her a 'top' female housemate at all.
The word itself signifies someone stronger or better as to status as a housemate and that is definitely not the case for me, just as Helen is not a stronger or better housemate than Ashleigh either as to status as a housemate.

It is the word 'top' I take issue with since that indicates she is above another housemate as to status and she is not,in my opinion.

She can of course be your 'top' personal female housemate because you like her from your personal preference but it doesn't make her a more important or more legitimate housemate as to status at all in my view.

Your opening post says Helen doesn't count, therefore you totally downgrade her housemate status in the opening post.

[jet]

Jet you seem to be trying to corner someone into admitting what we are all aware of just to gain brownie points. Its not apples and apples you are talking about.

No, my thread was being side tracked into areas that it was not about. If people were well aware of what it was about and were aware that it was true, why did they post to bring up points to try to twist the facts?

[sampvt]

But this thread isn't about who will win, it's about Ashleigh being the top original female out of those who could be nominated. How many times do I have to say it?

Yes but Helen is older and taller and has her own hair and bigger tits and better complexion. You cant just make a thread and force everyone to agree with your views. That's called selective and campaigning posting and its not an open subject.

I could make a thread about how tall Helen is and she was a winner because of that, so will you not concede that she is a winner, no she isn't and the thread dies there as it hold no composition.

You seem to be fixated on making us all agree that she is the last remaining female because Helen don't count. What about Zoe, she never asked to come in late and \Helen never asked for the ticket.

[jet]

No,no no I didn't jet,please don't twist my words, I did not say and would never say that Ashleigh is the 'top' female housemate

I said yes 'only' to the fact she is the only original female housemate that can be nominated not that she is the 'top' female housemate,to me that does not make her a 'top' female housemate at all.
The word itself signifies someone stronger or better as to status as a housemate and that is definitely not the case for me, just as Helen is not a stronger or better housemate than Ashleigh either as to status as a housemate.

It is the word 'top' I take issue with since that indicates she is above another housemate as to status and she is not,in my opinion.

She can of course be your 'top' personal female housemate because you like her from your personal preference but it doesn't make her a more important or more legitimate housemate as to status at all in my view.

She is the female HM who came out on 'top' and still standing of all those who could be nominated. :shrug: That is a fact and I don't see the need to be petty about it.

Did you read the part of my post where I pointed out that I hadn't said Helen was a lesser HM and didn't say it was her fault she got the pass?

[reece(:]

Ashleigh being the top femme <3333333 when will any other irrel? GJ Ashleigh bae x

[joeysteele]

She is the female HM who came out on 'top' and still standing of all those who could be nominated. :shrug: That is a fact and I don't see the need to be petty about it.

Did you read the part of my post where I pointed out that I hadn't said Helen was a lesser HM and didn't say it was her fault she got the pass?

She hasn't come out on top,that is the point,she can just be nominated and by the BB rules Helen cannot be, that doesn't make Ashleigh a more relevant housemate then Helen or vice versa even.

You do, being fair, indicate Helen 'is' a lesser housemate.
There are only 2 original female housemates left and you state in the opening post ''Helen doesn't count'', your own words.

To me they both count in equally different ways as equal housemates under the BB rules and scenario in place.
Neither above the other at all.

[jet]

Yes but Helen is older and taller and has her own hair and bigger tits and better complexion. You cant just make a thread and force everyone to agree with your views. That's called selective and campaigning posting and its not an open subject.

I could make a thread about how tall Helen is and she was a winner because of that, so will you not concede that she is a winner, no she isn't and the thread dies there as it hold no composition.

You seem to be fixated on making us all agree that she is the last remaining female because Helen don't count. What about Zoe, she never asked to come in late and \Helen never asked for the ticket.

It was a thread to celebrate the FACT of Ashleigh being the top female left of those who could be nominated, it wasn't meant to be a debate.
And Helen doesn't count cos she would have been out on her ass in week 1 or 2. FACT. :joker:

[sampvt]

It was a thread to celebrate the FACT of Ashleigh being the top female left of those who could be nominated, it wasn't meant to be a debate.
And Helen doesn't count cos she would have been out on her ass in week 1 or 2. FACT. :joker:

I give up. Non sensical post in my eyes. its a campaign post for a trash bint.

[joeysteele]

Also Ashleigh could have been out too if BB hadn't made an all female power housemates week where all the guys were up.

That was at the time the get Ashleigh out chants were on the go but she couldn't be nominated that week with the females having the power.

There is always speculation as to who could go but often on BB those we expect to don't and those we think are safe are not.
It can never be said confidently who would go.

[Kazanne]

Sigh,I wonder how this thread would have looked had Ashleigh been given that pass? BB you are soooooooooooo wonderful giving our Queen Ashleigh the pass,what a great idea of yours:joker::joker: what a load of bollox

[jet]

She hasn't come out on top,that is the point,she can just be nominated and by the BB rules Helen cannot be, that doesn't make Ashleigh a more relevant housemate then Helen or vice versa even.

You do, being fair, indicate Helen 'is' a lesser housemate.
There are only 2 original female housemates left and you state in the opening post ''Helen doesn't count'', your own words.

To me they both count in equally different ways as equal housemates under the BB rules and scenario in place.
Neither above the other at all.

You can say she hasn't come out on top of all the female HM's who could be nominated until you are blue in the face, but you would still be wrong, because she has. :hehe:

I did NOT say Helen was a lesser HM because she was given the pass or it was her fault, just as it would not be any other HM's fault.
I did say Helen doesn't count, not because she was given the pass, but because of her personality as she would be out on her bullying, nasty gob long ago. You know that as well as I do.

[abhorson]

If only Pav and Zoe had stuck with the original 3's decision.

[joeysteele]

You can say she hasn't come out on top of all the female HM's who could be nominated until you are blue in the face, but you would still be wrong, because she has. :hehe:

I did NOT say Helen was a lesser HM because she was given the pass or it was her fault, just as it would not be any other HM's fault.
I did say Helen doesn't count, not because she was given the pass, but because of her personality as she would be out on her bullying, nasty gob long ago. You know that as well as I do.

I've seen and heard a pretty nasty gob and 2 faced vindictive plotting and lying from Ashleigh too so for me they are even more equal.
We are never going to agree and for me the words top female as to Ashleigh are inappropriate.

I also think, whether she is hated or not, Helen does count, all housemates still in the house count.
All are equal housemates.No one as yet is the TOP one.

[jet]

I've seen and heard a pretty nasty gob and 2 faced vindictive plotting and lying from Ashleigh too so for me they are even more equal.
We are never going to agree and for me the words top female as to Ashleigh are inappropriate.

I also think, whether she is hated or not, Helen does count, all housemates still in the house count.
All are equal housemates.No one as yet is the TOP one.

Whatever Joey. If you prefer a nasty bully who has been given a final warning and continues to call people cruel names like she did with Jale tonight, that is your right. But don't say that Ashleigh is her equal in nastiness and other horrible traits, because that is just not true, unless you think that the majority of the people on this forum, other forums, facebook and twitter and the general public are thick and stupid.

[joeysteele]

Whatever Joey. If you prefer a nasty bully who has been given a final warning and continues to call people cruel names like she did with Jale tonight, that is your right. But don't say that Ashleigh is her equal in nastiness and other horrible traits, because that is just not true, unless you think that the majority of the people on this forum, other forums, facebook and twitter and the general public are thick and stupid.

This is my last reply to this have to say, nowhere ever in all my time on here or for that matter in real life either, have I or do I think the majority of people on this forum,other forums,facebook,twitter and the general public ar stupid and neither thave I ever indicated so.
I may disagree with the majority of people at times on those outlets but never do I call any of them stupid.

It seems you are turning a blind eye to the fact that that public turned very heavily against Ashleigh only a few weeks ago.
You also ignore compeletely the fact I said that Asheligh's 2 faced vindictive plotting make her and Helen 'more equal' not 'completely equal' as to nastiness.

However you read things the way you will, I am surprised I have to say but there it is.
Once you start personally getting at me indicating I may think other people are stupid,it really is time,(for me anyway), to leave this issue before I get accused of other things I haven't done by you too.
A grossly unfair comment and all I have done is stuck to the issue in hand relating to Ashleigh and Helen making no personal comments at all as to you personally except to say I am surprised you have gone down this line.

[MrWong]

Of course Ashleigh's top female.

I'm surprised the debate has gone on for so long.

[sampvt]

This is my last reply to this have to say, nowhere ever in all my time on here or for that matter in real life either, have I or do I think the majority of people on this forum,other forums,facebook,twitter and the general public ar stupid and neither thave I ever indicated so.
I may disagree with the majority of people at times on those outlets but never do I call any of them stupid.

It seems you are turning a blind eye to the fact that that public turned very heavily against Ashleigh only a few weeks ago.
You also ignore compeletely the fact I said that Asheligh's 2 faced vindictive plotting make her and Helen 'more equal' not 'completely equal' as to nastiness.

However you read things the way you will, I am surprised I have to say but there it is.
Once you start personally getting at me indicating I may think other people are stupid,it really is time,(for me anyway), to leave this issue before I get accused of other things I haven't done by you too.
A grossly unfair comment and all I have done is stuck to the issue in hand relating to Ashleigh and Helen making no personal comments at all as to you personally except to say I am surprised you have gone down this line.

Joey you will never get past some peoples blinkers. Some posters become fixated on a HM and wont be told any different. I have it with Kimberly as she has shown me repeatedly to be scum, but in saying that, its better to walk away but the posters that follow you and poke and prod, are the ones that need to be chastised and that's not happening.

Everyone knows Ashleighs past but she is a chameleon and covers her tracks well like all gamers do. I am with you on this but my voice isn't loud enough so let them have their way and in the fullness of time, the voters will show who is right.

[sampvt]

Of course Ashleigh's top female.

I'm surprised the debate has gone on for so long.

Baiting post designed to incite a response and an argument. This is what I mean. No way can this post be serious, it offers no reasons, its purely a baiting post and everyone knows it. Now if someone comes back at it, the poster simply puts stupid laughs or yeah yeah yeah posts and an argument ensues because nobody likes to be insulted. This poster is looking for a fight and its as plain as day. Now see what happens..........Probably.....I was being serious, I am allowed to say what \I want, I was only voicing an opinion bla bla bal. etc etc.

This is a baiting post, full stop.

[MrWong]

Baiting post designed to incite a response and an argument. This is what I mean. No way can this post be serious, it offers no reasons, its purely a baiting post and everyone knows it. Now if someone comes back at it, the poster simply puts stupid laughs or yeah yeah yeah posts and an argument ensues because nobody likes to be insulted. This poster is looking for a fight and its as plain as day. Now see what happens..........Probably.....I was being serious, I am allowed to say what \I want, I was only voicing an opinion bla bla bal. etc etc.

This is a baiting post, full stop.

Stick to discussing the housemates. That's always been your problem.

In the meantime I'll post what I like thanks.

[sampvt]

Stick to discussing the housemates. That's always been your problem.

In the meantime I'll post what I like thanks.

See what I mean. case proved.

A lecture, followed by an insult and then a statement of intent to do what he feels like regardless of how insulting or crass he is.

Now he waits for my retort...........sorry but the fish are not biting today.

[MrWong]

See what I mean. case proved.

A lecture, followed by an insult and then a statement of intent to do what he feels like regardless of how insulting or crass he is.

Now he waits for my retort...........sorry but the fish are not biting today.

The lecture and insults came from you, see below.

Baiting post designed to incite a response and an argument. This is what I mean. No way can this post be serious, it offers no reasons, its purely a baiting post and everyone knows it. Now if someone comes back at it, the poster simply puts stupid laughs or yeah yeah yeah posts and an argument ensues because nobody likes to be insulted. This poster is looking for a fight and its as plain as day. Now see what happens..........Probably.....I was being serious, I am allowed to say what \I want, I was only voicing an opinion bla bla bal. etc etc.

This is a baiting post, full stop.

I'm in this thread to discuss Ashleigh. I suggest you do the same.

[waterhog]

not happy with top girl - i want her to be BB top and the winner - she deserves it.

[sampvt]

The lecture and insults came from you, see below.



I'm in this thread to discuss Ashleigh. I suggest you do the same.

This thread has over 6 pages and I have just scrolled back and you have zero posts in it as opposed to loads of mine. Please don't insult my intelligence. You came in here and straight away posted a baiting post. Case closed now please put me on ignore, did I do that right.

[MrWong]

not happy with top girl - i want her to be BB top and the winner - she deserves it.

She absolutely does. Fingers crossed eh.

[waterhog]

She absolutely does. Fingers crossed eh.

and toes.

[jet]

This is my last reply to this have to say, nowhere ever in all my time on here or for that matter in real life either, have I or do I think the majority of people on this forum,other forums,facebook,twitter and the general public ar stupid and neither thave I ever indicated so.
I may disagree with the majority of people at times on those outlets but never do I call any of them stupid.

It seems you are turning a blind eye to the fact that that public turned very heavily against Ashleigh only a few weeks ago.
You also ignore compeletely the fact I said that Asheligh's 2 faced vindictive plotting make her and Helen 'more equal' not 'completely equal' as to nastiness.

However you read things the way you will, I am surprised I have to say but there it is.
Once you start personally getting at me indicating I may think other people are stupid,it really is time,(for me anyway), to leave this issue before I get accused of other things I haven't done by you too.
A grossly unfair comment and all I have done is stuck to the issue in hand relating to Ashleigh and Helen making no personal comments at all as to you personally except to say I am surprised you have gone down this line.

I said 'if' you think Ashleigh is equal to Helen in nastiness etc then you must think the public stupid as they don't agree at all. BB viewers have never let a nasty person win, and Ashleigh is the current favourite.

I got a bit heated because it felt to me that you were deliberately misunderstanding my points. Whether you were or not, that is how it felt to me.
But sorry if I offended you, it wasn't meant as a personal remark at all; it was me being irritated and tetchy.

[sampvt]

not happy with top girl - i want her to be BB top and the winner - she deserves it.

More chance of her knitting fog. She is having a good week but the dog and her sympathy me me me are short lived. She will crack when the big guns throw their game plans into overdrive.

[Achilles]

Ashleigh is a Princess and Queen-in-waiting. She is like Cinderella and Helen is an ugly step sister.

I have faith that the general public prefer a heartwarming fairytale ending :flutter:

[sampvt]

Ashleigh is a Princess and Queen-in-waiting. She is like Cinderella and Helen is an ugly step sister.

I have faith that the general public prefer a heartwarming fairytale ending :flutter:

Are we talking about the spoilt brat beauty queen with bad acne, potty mouth, annoying dialect, fake hair, false hair colour and stick on nails. Oh and I forgot the pushy mammy to boot. Or are we talking about a stand up girl with a ten times better figure and a potty mouth. I know who gets my vote.

[jet]

Are we talking about the spoilt brat beauty queen with bad acne, potty mouth, annoying dialect, fake hair, false hair colour and stick on nails. Oh and I forgot the pushy mammy to boot. Or are we talking about a stand up girl with a ten times better figure and a potty mouth. I know who gets my vote.

You talk such nonsense you must be in a baiting mood. :laugh:

[Dollface]

Are we talking about the spoilt brat beauty queen with bad acne, potty mouth, annoying dialect, fake hair, false hair colour and stick on nails. Oh and I forgot the pushy mammy to boot. Or are we talking about a stand up girl with a ten times better figure and a potty mouth. I know who gets my vote.

I sense some jealousy :hehe:

Btw why do you list all of Ashleigh's aspects but only list 2 of Helens? You forgot the fake lips, fake nose, hair extensions, fake teeth & fake boobs.. silly! :wink:

[waterhog]

i have a huge fault about ashligh that noone can ever dispute.

she is perfect in every way.

and that my dear watson is why she should win.

maybe a change of name is right here - mary popins. you go ashligh. i will be voting for you.

[sampvt]

You talk such nonsense you must be in a baiting mood. :laugh: :flowers:

Please stick to discussing hM's please. the fact that you are resorting to personasl insults leads me to belive this hero worship is becoming a problem for you. Grab a bunch, you obviously need them. :flower:

[Jake.]

Are we talking about the spoilt brat beauty queen with bad acne, potty mouth, annoying dialect, fake hair, false hair colour and stick on nails. Oh and I forgot the pushy mammy to boot. Or are we talking about a stand up girl with a ten times better figure and a potty mouth. I know who gets my vote.

Because people can help having some bad skin/an Irish accent, apparently.. :shrug:

[sampvt]

Because people can help having some bad skin/an Irish accent, apparently.. :shrug:

Ive got great skin but a bad Irish accent, does that make me better. In fact I was thinking of going to a bottle of Just for men, but I reckon I am just perfect the way I am.

[jet]

I sense some jealousy :hehe:

Btw why do you list all of Ashleigh's aspects but only list 2 of Helens? You forgot the fake lips, fake nose, hair extensions, fake teeth & fake boobs.. silly! :wink:

Not forgetting Helen's stomach liposuction and re - structuring of her thighs. She's practically been rebuilt. :hehe:

[sampvt]

Not forgetting Helen's stomach liposuction and re - structuring of her thighs. She's practically been rebuilt. :hehe:

But what a rebuild. Everything she has had done works and is in tact. Everything *******igh has attempted is falling apart or looks bloody awful.

[Jake.]

But what a rebuild. Everything she has had done works and is in tact. Everything *******igh has attempted is falling apart or looks bloody awful.

Well then you could argue that natural beauty wins. Helen might look great, but it's not really her. Ashleigh hardly looks 'awful' either

[Achilles]

But what a rebuild. Everything she has had done works and is in tact. Everything *******igh has attempted is falling apart or looks bloody awful.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/2035a7a58a07967b0feda7e04ed06105/tumblr_n8devt2r1N1txis9uo1_500.gif

[sampvt]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/2035a7a58a07967b0feda7e04ed06105/tumblr_n8devt2r1N1txis9uo1_500.gif

Pleeeeeeeeeze. have you seen her first thing in the morning, she is a 10 pint bonk. It takes her most of the day to get ready then she goes back to bed. She lives in front of a mirror. Pity the poor bugger that marries her, he better have good bladder control as he aint going to see much of his bathroom.

[Achilles]

Pleeeeeeeeeze. have you seen her first thing in the morning, she is a 10 pint bonk. It takes her most of the day to get ready then she goes back to bed. She lives in front of a mirror. Pity the poor bugger that marries her, he better have good bladder control as he aint going to see much of his bathroom.

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ashleigh-coyle-big-brother-2014.png

[sampvt]

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ashleigh-coyle-big-brother-2014.png

Yeah all women go to bed with lipstick on and eye liner still visible, Well tarts do don't they.

[Jake.]

So what if she needs makeup to feel good about herself? Helen needed surgery for the same reason, it's not as if the females in there aren't slapped up a bit :shrug:

[Achilles]

Ashleigh looks beautiful with or without makeup :lovedup:

Natural beauty

[cheapbbfan]

When did she get so popular? It seemed like she was the most hated not too long ago. Love her