[jet]

Ashleigh is the only original female HM left standing so she is the top girl of the series!
Helen doesn't count because if she hadn't had the free pass she would have been long gone.
So Ashleigh is this years top female! WELL DONE ASHLEIGH!

[rionablue]

Don't like her so no I don't agree

[jet]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Don't like her so no I don't agree

How can you not agree with a fact? She is the last original female HM standing without a free pass...

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by jet

How can you not agree with a fact? She is the last original female HM standing without a free pass...

She got very lucky as there were a few weeks if she had been put up she would have been out. What I don't agree with is that in my eyes she is not the top girl. I class top girl as the girl that I liked the best not the one who got the furthest

[oblong]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Don't like her so no I don't agree

whether you like her or not, its true. She is the last standing original female housemate in the series

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by oblong

whether you like her or not, its true. She is the last standing original female housemate in the series

exactly lol

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Don't like her so no I don't agree

I think she is fortunate to be still there to be honest.

While it is true Helen likely wouldn't be either, without Helen Ashleigh would have had few highlights or much relevance in the house at all for the whole series.

They both have to a degree, benefited from the other being in the house so long to enable them more storylines.I admit to that.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think she is fortunate to be still there to be honest.

While it is true Helen likely wouldn't be either, without Helen Ashleigh would have had few highlights or much relevance in the house at all for the whole series.

They both have to a degree, benefited from the other being in the house so long to enable them more storylines.I admit to that.

Ashleigh is still there because the public kept her there, and the new HM's kept her there, so she is there legitimately. It's Helen who is very very fortunate to be still there.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

Ashleigh is still there because the public kept her there, and the new HM's kept her there, so she is there legitimately. It's Helen who is very very fortunate to be still there.

We cannot say that Helen would still not be there had she been up, the downfall and eviction of Ash has been predicted for the whole series for instance,yet he has defied the odds,as many past housemates have in past series too.

There have at times,despite being kept in, been chants of get Ashleigh out on eviction nights.
She is doing better now admittedly and has appeared so far to turn things around for herself but she has come close to going and it may well have been too that Helen may have come close to going but actually not gone either.

I still think after the female power week, that Ashleigh for her part in that,is fortunate to still be there,she would have been out for me just as for you Helen would be out anyway anytime.

I want Ashleigh out but I want Steven out more so I will be voting to evict him this week, that doesn't mean Ashleigh has won any of my support despite the fact she will stay.
It is just I want someone else out this week more than her so she won't get the high volume of votes she would have got from me had Steven not been up for eviction.

Sometimes it is simply a case of the public wanting several up for eviction in a week out but wanting one out more than the others at the time.
It doesn't mean they necessarily like or support the other housemate/s saved.

[Bridget51]

Totally agree. Really hope she wins and if not at least beat Helen and Ash. As the twat Stephen will be gone on Friday I haven't included him. Go Ashleigh and well done so far

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by jet

Ashleigh is the only original female HM left standing so she is the top girl of the series!
Helen doesn't count because if she hadn't had the free pass she would have been long gone.
So Ashleigh is this years top female! WELL DONE ASHLEIGH!

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

Ashleigh is already the top original female HM, as of the moment Danielle was evicted. She is the last one standing legitimately without the help of a free pass. Even if by some miracle Helen won, it wouldn't be a 100% legitimate win because she most definitely would have been evicted earlier on and most people would see it as an assisted win because of the free pass - as no way would she have won without it. A hollow victory indeed.
So Ashleigh has beat them all as the legitimate top girl even if she doesn't win.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by jet

Ashleigh is already the top original female HM, as of the moment Danielle was evicted. She is the last one standing legitimately without the help of a free pass. Even if by some miracle Helen won, it wouldn't be a 100% legitimate win because she most definitely would have been evicted earlier on and most people would see it as an assisted win because of the free pass - as no way would she have won without it. A hollow victory indeed.
So Ashleigh has beat them all as the legitimate top girl even if she doesn't win.

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

You are funny.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

Very true, most accurate post I have seen this year.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Very true, most accurate post I have seen this year.

Thank you kind sir, its a change to get positive comments in this lonely world of defending Helen.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

Helen has "some" of the public, Ashleigh has MORE of the public.
Helen has "some" of the excitable forum users, Ashleigh has MORE of the excitable forum users.

More people love Ashleigh.
More people hate Helen.
The intensity of support for Ashleigh is greater than the intensity of support for Helen.
The hate towards Helen is more intense than the hate towards Ashleigh.

Helen v Ashleigh 1v1 eviction, Helen is evicted

Ashleigh survived a 4 way eviction against 3 people where the total amount of hate for all 3 combined was less than the hate aimed at Helen.

What are you basing your "Helen is loved by the public" on?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Helen has "some" of the public, Ashleigh has MORE of the public.
Helen has "some" of the excitable forum users, Ashleigh has MORE of the excitable forum users.

More people love Ashleigh.
More people hate Helen.
The intensity of support for Ashleigh is greater than the intensity of support for Helen.
The hate towards Helen is more intense than the hate towards Ashleigh.

Helen v Ashleigh 1v1 eviction, Helen is evicted

Ashleigh survived a 4 way eviction against 3 people where the total amount of hate for all 3 combined was less than the hate aimed at Helen.

What are you basing your "Helen is loved by the public" on?

I have noticed that in your profile, it says nothing of you being related to Mystic meg so until Helen goes up for public scrutiny, we will need to shelve this hero worship. If you think Ashleigh is a be all and end all winner then show me the money honey, place a bet on her and if you don't bet, then your undying love will do. Sadly Helens supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail like a failing politician to convince people she is good, we already know this fact.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I have noticed that in your profile, it says nothing of you being related to Mystic meg so until Helen goes up for public scrutiny, we will need to shelve this hero worship. If you think Ashleigh is a be all and end all winner then show me the money honey, place a bet on her and if you don't bet, then your undying love will do. Sadly Helens supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail like a failing politician to convince people she is good, we already know this fact.

You are getting funnier by the minute. Whatever will you come up with next?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I have noticed that in your profile, it says nothing of you being related to Mystic meg so until Helen goes up for public scrutiny, we will need to shelve this hero worship. If you think Ashleigh is a be all and end all winner then show me the money honey, place a bet on her and if you don't bet, then your undying love will do. Sadly Helens supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail like a failing politician to convince people she is good, we already know this fact.

I don't get Helen is good, exceedingly protected and unfairly so.

She has given little except for temper tantrums, made the tone of the house scared and tip toeing around her and contributes less to the house than anyone, she was there because of her notoriety and would have gone weeks ago if BB hadn't thought she needed protection.

Of course her supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail, she has a pass to the final, all Ashleigh supporters can hope for is that her two faces are shown, her rages are shown, her threats against others are shown and her false nice persona gets ripped to shreds when she gets what has been thrown at others, all in the week she is up for eviction.

Just want a level playing field.

BTW Well done Ashleigh, you have shown Helen and the public that a young decent clever girl can play the game better than wannabes, notorious women, pretty boys and nasty people.

[jet]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I don't get Helen is good, exceedingly protected and unfairly so.

She has given little except for temper tantrums, made the tone of the house scared and tip toeing around her and contributes less to the house than anyone, she was there because of her notoriety and would have gone weeks ago if BB hadn't thought she needed protection.

Of course her supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail, she has a pass to the final, all Ashleigh supporters can hope for is that her two faces are shown, her rages are shown, her threats against others are shown and her false nice persona gets ripped to shreds when she gets what has been thrown at others, all in the week she is up for eviction.

Just want a level playing field.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

Have you been popping acid?

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

What are you on about. Helen is by far the nasty self-absorbed bitch and the public can't stand her. Yes Helen is a chav and other chavs will like her, but who the hell cares what the chavs think.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What are you on about. Helen is by far the nasty self-absorbed bitch and the public can't stand her. Yes Helen is a chav and other chavs will like her, but who the hell cares what the chavs think.

Well I'm not a chav thankyou very much and I much prefer Helen to Ashleigh,how about I say sly devious people will like Ashleigh as like is drawn to like.

[Livia]

I agree. If it was a showdown between Helen and Ashleigh, even people who didn't like Ashleigh would vote for her over Helen if you ask me.