The Helen rule.

[jet]

Is that it's okay for her to be two faced and a hypocrite but nobody else can.

She is fuming that Chris or Ashleigh pretended to get along with her because they 'had to', (which they haven't, they said they like her better now) yet says that she's only getting on with Asheligh because she's in the house...how's that for a hypocritical statement?

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

So did she tell Ashleigh she couldn't ******* stand her, did she tell tell not to speak or look at her? Not a chance! The 'tell it like it is to your face' Helen is just as two faced as they come.:smug:

[Glenn.]

Does anyone even pay attention to what Helen says?

[Johnnyuk123]

Is that it's okay for her to be two faced and a hypocrite but nobody else can.

She is fuming that Chris or Ashleigh pretended to get along with her because they 'had to', (which they haven't, they said they like her better now) yet says that she's only getting on with Asheligh because she's in the house...how's that for a hypocritical statement?

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

So did she tell Ashleigh she couldn't ******* stand her, did she tell tell not to speak or look at her? Not a chance! The 'tell it like it is to your face' Helen is just as two faced as they come.:smug:

:clap1:

[jet]

Does anyone even pay attention to what Helen says?

It's a strange phenomena, because when Helen does something negative that doesn't fit in with certain ingrained views about her (at least she's not a hypocrite) (at least she's not two faced) then ears suddenly close up and eyes suddenly lose the power of sight. There must be a name for this affliction. Anyone know what it's called? :hehe:

[Dollface]

Is that it's okay for her to be two faced and a hypocrite but nobody else can.

She is fuming that Chris or Ashleigh pretended to get along with her because they 'had to', (which they haven't, they said they like her better now) yet says that she's only getting on with Asheligh because she's in the house...how's that for a hypocritical statement?

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

So did she tell Ashleigh she couldn't ******* stand her, did she tell tell not to speak or look at her? Not a chance! The 'tell it like it is to your face' Helen is just as two faced as they come.:smug:

:clap1:

The "Ashleigh is so two faced" posse can't exactly stick up for their "up front" Helen anymore :hehe:

I stupidly enough thought that she and Ashleigh were genuinely getting along :facepalm:

[rubymoo]

They're all two faced hypocrites:hehe:

[jet]

They're all two faced hypocrites:hehe:

But...but...Helen isn't! She's upfront! :o :hehe:

[MrWong]

It's a strange phenomena, because when Helen does something negative that doesn't fit in with certain ingrained views about her (at least she's not a hypocrite) (at least she's not two faced) then ears suddenly close up and eyes suddenly lose the power of sight. There must be a name for this affliction. Anyone know what it's called? :hehe:

Confirmation bias.

A part of that is something called belief perseverance, where the person sticks with a belief even when it's shown to be false.

[joeysteele]

No it's not alright for Helen to be 2 faced.
As to being a hypocrite,well,we can all be hypocritical at times I think anyway.

However, helen is not 2 faced,you get told where you stand with Helen,few,if indeed any, are left in any doubt what she is like or what she thinks of them.

[Jake.]

No it's not alright for Helen to be 2 faced.
As to being a hypocrite,well,we can all be hypocritical at times I think anyway.

However, helen is not 2 faced,you get told where you stand with Helen,few,if indeed any, are left in any doubt what she is like or what she thinks of them.

The OP proves that your latter point isn't really the case though Joey, she hasn't let on to Ashleigh that she's only getting on with her because she needs to..

But yeah I brought up this hypocritical point earlier, well said.

[jet]

Confirmation bias.

A part of that is something called belief perseverance, where the person sticks with a belief even when it's shown to be false.

Thanks MrWong. :thumbs:
Belief perseverance. That's interesting. I've just seen a good example of it in this thread.
:facepalm:

[joeysteele]

:clap1:

The "Ashleigh is so two faced" posse can't exactly stick up for their "up front" Helen anymore :hehe:

I stupidly enough thought that she and Ashleigh were genuinely getting along :facepalm:

I never did,I felt both were just tolerating each other with fewer in the house and operating a truce of sorts.
I never believed they would be able to agree or get along all the time.

To be fair to both, they have made however a really big effort as to working together and getting along in tasks but for me that was always as far as it was going to go.
Way too much water under the bridge between these 2 to be really getting along and really genuinely being friends.

Not a chance.

[Achilles]

No it's not alright for Helen to be 2 faced.
As to being a hypocrite,well,we can all be hypocritical at times I think anyway.

However, helen is not 2 faced,you get told where you stand with Helen,few,if indeed any, are left in any doubt what she is like or what she thinks of them.

Helen said she doesn't like Ashleigh and has only been pretending to like her. Helen was voted most 2 faced housemate and rightly so. She is the very definition of 2 faced. I gave her the benefit of the doubt but you could still see the bitterness from Helen aimed at Ashleigh if you watch the show closely. Remember when Ashleigh got her letter from home? Watch Helen's face. She DOES the right thing and tries to SAY the right thing, but it's completely false and deep down she can't stand her. She admitted it last night, from her own mouth. The only reason Helen "made friends" with Ashleigh is try and improve her own popularity. The week 1-2 Helen is the REAL Helen and it resurfaced last night. She tried to take advantage of overhearing a conversation between a pissed Chris and Ashleigh. She deliberately ignored the positive and the context, and spun it to try and twist the other housemates and viewers to side with Helen

[joeysteele]

Helen said she doesn't like Ashleigh and has only been pretending to like her. Helen was voted most 2 faced housemate and rightly so. She is the very definition of 2 faced. I gave her the benefit of the doubt but you could still see the bitterness from Helen aimed at Ashleigh if you watch the show closely. Remember when Ashleigh got her letter from home? Watch Helen's face. She does all the right things and says the right things, but it's completely false and deep down she can't stand her. She admitted it last night, from her own mouth.

Helen however has never said she liked Ashleigh, all through she has always said she disliked her and more.
I am surprised anyone ever even possibly thought these 2 could ever like each other or be friends at all.
I never saw them being friends just tentatively tolerating each other.

As to the letter from home, I don't care for Ashleigh but I still thought that was nice and would have said so but it wouldn't have changed my view as to her overall at all.

It cannot make her false since she never liked Ashleigh or ever said she liked Ashleigh in the first place.
I could see the bad times returning between these 2,they likely really detest each other in reality.

[Kazanne]

oh God,PLEASE all agree with jet and co in here,just to get some peace from it all it,s so so tedious and immature

[jet]

Belief perseverance. :facepalm:

[chuff me dizzy]

No it's not alright for Helen to be 2 faced.
As to being a hypocrite,well,we can all be hypocritical at times I think anyway.

However, helen is not 2 faced,you get told where you stand with Helen,few,if indeed any, are left in any doubt what she is like or what she thinks of them.

:worship:

[joeysteele]

oh God,PLEASE all agree with jet and co in here,just to get some peace from it all it,s so so tedious and immature

:joker:I never agree for the sake of agreeing Kazanne,:joker:

I am just one at least, who never saw this as a new friendship of any measure at all.
Neither of them are now false for calling the other because neither have ever liked the other.
Furthermore,I would predict, they never will either.

I'm surprised so many that dislike Helen still want to talk about her so much and give her publicity,I really have little wish to talk about Ashleigh at all.
Although I will give her credit odd times 'if' I feel she warrants it.

[jet]

Helen said she doesn't like Ashleigh and has only been pretending to like her. Helen was voted most 2 faced housemate and rightly so. She is the very definition of 2 faced. I gave her the benefit of the doubt but you could still see the bitterness from Helen aimed at Ashleigh if you watch the show closely. Remember when Ashleigh got her letter from home? Watch Helen's face. She DOES the right thing and tries to SAY the right thing, but it's completely false and deep down she can't stand her. She admitted it last night, from her own mouth. The only reason Helen "made friends" with Ashleigh is try and improve her own popularity. The week 1-2 Helen is the REAL Helen and it resurfaced last night. She tried to take advantage of overhearing a conversation between a pissed Chris and Ashleigh. She deliberately ignored the positive and the context, and spun it to try and twist the other housemates and viewers to side with Helen

:clap1: Good post. She actually SAID "I've been two faced". At least she admits it. :spin:

[chuff me dizzy]

:joker:I never agree for the sake of agreeing Kazanne,:joker:

I am just one at least, who never saw this as a new friendship of any measure at all.
Neither of them are now false for calling the other because neither have ever liked the other.
Furthermore,I would predict, they never will either.

I'm surprised so many that dislike Helen still want to talk about her so much and give her publicity,I really have little wish to talk about Ashleigh at all.
Although I will give her credit odd times 'if' I feel she warrants it.

You could pull my finger nails out and I would still not agree with people I know are talking utter BS ,never be a sheep is something everyone should learn in life !!

[joeysteele]

You could pull my finger nails out and I would still not agree with people I know are talking utter BS ,never be a sheep is something everyone should learn in life !!

Again I agree with all that Chuff.

[Tip]

As if not being a sheep protects you from talking utter BS?

I suspect most of what people are saying is some truth mixed with a fair bit of BS.

[Kazanne]

:joker:I never agree for the sake of agreeing Kazanne,:joker:

I am just one at least, who never saw this as a new friendship of any measure at all.
Neither of them are now false for calling the other because neither have ever liked the other.
Furthermore,I would predict, they never will either.

I'm surprised so many that dislike Helen still want to talk about her so much and give her publicity,I really have little wish to talk about Ashleigh at all.
Although I will give her credit odd times 'if' I feel she warrants it.

hi Joey as much as I like debating on here this year it's totally pointless as some will never give credit where credit is due, I'm going to try and find threads that have a point to them instead of the constant slagging off at Helen,it's laughable really,they are calling Helen all sorts and at the same time calling her all sorts,you couldn't write it:joker:

[jet]

You could pull my finger nails out and I would still not agree with people I know are talking utter BS ,never be a sheep is something everyone should learn in life !!

What utter bull****? Are you denying Helen said that is what she really thinks of Ashleigh yet doesn't say it to her face? Are you denying she admitted she had been two faced? That is what we are talking about, so what is utter bull****? :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

What utter bull****? Are you denying Helen said that is what she really thinks of Ashleigh yet doesn't say it to her face? Are you denying she admitted she had been two faced? That is what we are talking about, so what is utter bull****? :shrug:

No one can accuse Helen of not saying it to faces ,why else has she had her warnings :conf: she's no sneak unlike the swanky sly mare

[Ellen]

:joker:I never agree for the sake of agreeing Kazanne,:joker:

I am just one at least, who never saw this as a new friendship of any measure at all.
Neither of them are now false for calling the other because neither have ever liked the other.
Furthermore,I would predict, they never will either.

I'm surprised so many that dislike Helen still want to talk about her so much and give her publicity,I really have little wish to talk about Ashleigh at all.
Although I will give her credit odd times 'if' I feel she warrants it.

Great Post Joey. :thumbs:

[Jake.]

hi Joey as much as I like debating on here this year it's totally pointless as some will never give credit where credit is due, I'm going to try and find threads that have a point to them instead of the constant slagging off at Helen,it's laughable really,they are calling Helen all sorts and at the same time calling her all sorts,you couldn't write it:joker:

Same story with Ashleigh, it's all pathetic

[Dollface]

instead of the constant slagging off at Helen,it's laughable really

What's laughable is that it's ok for certain people to constantly slag Ashleigh off (including having digs at her appearance) but wont have the same said about their beloved Helen.

[rubymoo]

oh God,PLEASE all agree with jet and co in here,just to get some peace from it all it,s so so tedious and immature

:laugh:

[Jake.]

What's laughable is that it's ok for certain people to constantly slag Ashleigh off (including having digs at her appearance) but wont have the same said about their beloved Helen.

Exactly.. Pot, kettle, black.

[Dollface]

The hypocrites be out in force today :facepalm:

[Creggle]

They're all two faced hypocrites:hehe:

This, to a degree they all are. Even Ashleigh. Infact I'd say out of them all the least two faced/hypocritical is Winston.

[Dollface]

This, to a degree they all are. Even Ashleigh. Infact I'd say out of them all the least two faced/hypocritical is Winston.

I actually very much agree with this

[chuff me dizzy]

The hypocrites be out in force today :facepalm:

Please stick to discussing the hm8s, members are not up for attacks

[MrWong]

What's laughable is that it's ok for certain people to constantly slag Ashleigh off (including having digs at her appearance) but wont have the same said about their beloved Helen.

Well said.

[smudgie]

They are all playing the game, all call each other behind each other's back, boredom and limited space don't help.

The two females left in this year are so much alike in personality it is no wonder they clash.

Both quite bright re the game and both quite bitchy, only difference for me is that Ashleigh hasn't shown the bullying tendencies that Helen has.

[jet]

No one can accuse Helen of not saying it to faces ,why else has she had her warnings :conf: she's no sneak unlike the swanky sly mare

Helen said last night:

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

She therefore she has been two faced as she has been pretending to get along with Ashleigh.

I can only assume you haven't read the OP or are under the impression she said it to Ashleigh's face.

[chuff me dizzy]

Helen said last night:

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

She therefore she has been two faced as she has been pretending to get along with Ashleigh.

I can only assume you haven't read the OP or are under the impression she said it to Ashleigh's face.

Not in the slightest :joker: she was being HONEST

[Dollface]

Please stick to discussing the hm8s, members are not up for attacks

:rolleyes: How'd you know i wasn't talking about the housemates there?

Drama queens will be drama queens

[MrWong]

Not in the slightest :joker: she was being HONEST

Not to Ashleigh. She said that behind her back.

[Tip]

I think Helen is being honest - I don't think she has enough self awareness, maturity or depth of thought to realise when she is being self -contradictory.

You'd have to sit her down and show it all to her in slow motion to enable her to grasp it, so perhaps it is unfair to call her out on it.

[jet]

Not in the slightest :joker: she was being HONEST

Honest behind someones back? But not to their face - as you said she always was.
As in:
No one can accuse Helen of not saying it to faces

[Jake.]

Not in the slightest :joker: she was being HONEST

Yet when Asheligh states the same opinion she's being two-faced? Makes sense..

[chuff me dizzy]

Not to Ashleigh. She said that behind her back.

She would say it to her face if need be too, i doubt Helen is bothered by little Miss straight talker :joker:

[MrWong]

Yet when Asheligh states the same opinion she's being two-faced? Makes sense..

These rules are confusing :puzzled:

[jet]

I think Helen is being honest - I don't think she has enough self awareness, maturity or depth of thought to realise when she is being self -contradictory.

You'd have to sit her down and show it all to her in slow motion to enable her to grasp it, so perhaps it is unfair to call her out on it.

It's not just Helen being unable to grasp it that is disturbing. :facepalm:

[Jake.]

She would say it to her face if need be too, i doubt Helen is bothered by little Miss straight talker :joker:

Pretty sure she is given how she's gone off on one..

[MrWong]

She would say it to her face if need be too, i doubt Helen is bothered by little Miss straight talker :joker:

She hasn't though. Even during her little chat this morning with Ashleigh/Chris.

You must have missed the clip of Helen ranting about Ashleigh last night.

Helen definitely is bothered.

[bots]

there has been so much argument/discussion over 2 faced/straight talking and 3000 variations in between. But does anyone actually want either Helen or Ashleigh to stop doing it? I don't :joker:

[Dollface]

there has been so much argument/discussion over 2 faced/straight talking and 3000 variations in between. But does anyone actually want either Helen or Ashleigh to stop doing it? I don't :joker:

Haha you're right!

[Achilles]

Not in the slightest :joker: she was being HONEST

Good old "honest" bitching to someone who you have bitched about behind their back and are being 2 faced with about how someone else has been bitching behind your back and is 2 faced before admitting you yourself have been 2 faced with the person who are accusing of being 2 faced.
In Helen's mind that's called being "honest".
I think what happened is that Helen had one too many rough customers back in the day and her head took too many hits against the wall during those romantic and erotic nights of love and passion

[jet]

What's laughable is that it's ok for certain people to constantly slag Ashleigh off (including having digs at her appearance) but wont have the same said about their beloved Helen.

Exactly. I don't even post much about Helen, whereas certain people take up residence in Ashleigh threads and slag her off constantly. I'd say for every negative thread about Helen there is half a dozen about Ashleigh, probably more.
But that's because Ashleigh is more interesting. :smug:

[bots]

Exactly. I don't even post much about Helen, whereas certain people take up residence in Ashleigh threads and slag her off constantly. I'd say for every negative thread about Helen there is half a dozen about Ashleigh, probably more.
But that's because Ashleigh is more interesting. :smug:

Is that because Ashleigh is maybe related to Steve "interesting" Davis ? :laugh:

[joeysteele]

All I know is that I don't care for Ashleigh and so for sure 100% would not make any threads about her at all.

I would be just as happy never mentioning Ashleigh,however I prefer Helen to Ashleigh so if Helen gets bad comments related to Ashleigh then I will,if I feel it is justified,say my piece.

However since I don't care for Ashleigh,I would never even want to instigate a debate, good or bad,(speaking for myself obviously),by making any threads about her in the first place.

[jet]

Is that because Ashleigh is maybe related to Steve "interesting" Davis ? :laugh:

If she doesn't interest people, why are there so many threads about her? She is the most talked about HM this series. :smug:

[Achilles]

If she doesn't interest people, why are there so many threads about her? She is the most talked about HM this series. :smug:

I forget, can you remind me, who was voted "most interesting housemate"? :hehe:

[jet]

I forget, can you remind me, who was voted "most interesting housemate"? :hehe:

ASHLEIGH of course! :laugh: :cheer2:

[joeysteele]

I forget, can you remind me, who was voted "most interesting housemate"? :hehe:

Interesting can mean many things however,especially from only a likely handful of people voting. Had she been voted most entertaining that could also mean many things.

I can be interested in people who are really nice or really awful, it doesn't mean I like or dislike them.
Just as I can find people/things entertaining which are not so nice as well as people/things that really please me too.

[jet]

Good old "honest" bitching to someone who you have bitched about behind their back and are being 2 faced with about how someone else has been bitching behind your back and is 2 faced before admitting you yourself have been 2 faced with the person who are accusing of being 2 faced.
In Helen's mind that's called being "honest".
I think what happened is that Helen had one too many rough customers back in the day and her head took too many hits against the wall during those romantic and erotic nights of love and passion

:thumbs:
I had to read that carefully, but I got there. :laugh:

[jet]

So Helen's two faced comments were edited out of the show tonight.

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

What a surprise.

Then she gets another warning for being abusive on top of her 'final' warning.

The molly coddling of Helen continues.

[rusticgal]

Helens done enough to show what a nasty vile piece of work she is...tonight she admits herself she likes to be nasty...and my god we all know she has proved that...how anyone can try and make Ashleigh as nasty as she is is beyond belief...Helens going out of this show as vile as she came in...we all know those comments were made...not being shown makes no difference...she has shown her true nasty character enough.

[Northern Monkey]

Good point:clap1:

[jet]

Helens done enough to show what a nasty vile piece of work she is...tonight she admits herself she likes to be nasty...and my god we all know she has proved that...how anyone can try and make Ashleigh as nasty as she is is beyond belief...Helens going out of this show as vile as she came in...we all know those comments were made...not being shown makes no difference...she has shown her true nasty character enough.

Yes, she must be the most horrible, spiteful, abusive person ever on BB to be protected by them and not kicked out. There was talk on facebook of her getting a contract to be kept to the end apparently. Probably nonsense, but it makes you think....

[Robodog]

I like both Helen and Ashleigh and am glad they are both in the final 6

They have both been bitches at times but both have been great HMs

I think overall - you know where you stand more with Helen.

To be honest i feel quite sorry for her, she is often misunderstood. Behind her front she has a genuine kindness whereas deep down Ashleigh is a bit colder than Helen.

Like them both though, oddly enough.

[Kizzy]

I like both Helen and Ashleigh and am glad they are both in the final 6

They have both been bitches at times but both have been great HMs

I think overall - you know where you stand more with Helen.

To be honest i feel quite sorry for her, she is often misunderstood. Behind her front she has a genuine kindness whereas deep down Ashleigh is a bit colder than Helen.

Like them both though, oddly enough.

Me too, and believe it or not I think ashleigh is more aggressive in arguments than helen.

[the truth]

the only time weve seen helen smile lately is when mark was telling christopher he shoul have nominated him..oh how she laughed and egged monotonous mark on...even when shes not being the devil shes being devils advocate

[Dollface]

Me too, and believe it or not I think ashleigh is more aggressive in arguments than helen.

:laugh2: You're joking, right?

[delta]

At least the pair of them aren't letting their gender down.



Isn't it taking as 'read' that all girls are two faced and biatch about each other.


Guys talk about each other but not in such a vehemently ,derogative manner. I guess guys know that if it over steps the mark then the Glasgie Kiss isn't too far behind.

[Kizzy]

:laugh2: You're joking, right?

No, if she's annoyed with someone she's very agressive.
She threatened to put christophers face through a mirror for wondering what the task would be didn't she?

[Northern Monkey]

No, if she's annoyed with someone she's very agressive.
She threatened to put christophers face through a mirror for wondering what the task would be didn't she?

I know Christopher is a weedy bean pole but do you honestly think Ashleigh would have the power to overpower him?She's tiny and Barbie like.Helen actually could and possibly would give Ashleigh and maybe Chris a good slap or two,I bet she's not a hair puller!